Backup Iron Sights

[kyratshooter]

Do I really need them?:dots:

[crashdive123]

You need to do some more 'splainin Lucy.

[andre_lambert]

Do I really need them?:dots:

yes...if you have a scope and you look into it and someone comes into the room with you you wouldnt even know it...so try an over under scope..you can alternate the view every few minutes and you will see what i say to be true..so practice looking into scope then under..with practice it will become natural...if you want...

[intothenew]

.......Yes

[andre_lambert]

get an over under sight...and practice lookin' in scope then under scope ..practice this...iron sights are important in close combat situations...with a large scope you cant see someone enter the room with you..all my scopes are over under ...

[kyratshooter]

Have you ever had a good quality scope crap out on you in the field?

I am not talking about the $8 Walmart special you stuck on your marlin 60 back in 1959. I am talking about a good scope.

[kyratshooter]

You need to do some more 'splainin Lucy.

I'm just looing for a win/win topic Crash.

If I do more 'splainin I will give an opinion rather than promote discussion. This way I can take either side depending on the amout of response one way or the other. I might even argue both sides all by myself!

I just wanted to promote some basic discussion beyond: look what I just bought, top three guns, top survival gun, if you could only have one gun...bla..bla..bla...

Scopes seemed like good neutral ground to operate on. Some people hate them, some love them and there are the take it or leave it group.

I have rifles with scopes, rifles without scopes, rifles with only scopes, rifles with both sets of sights, shotguns with/wo scopes, pistols with/wo scopes. I even have a couple of guns with no sights at all and they seem to serve their purpose well.

As I get older I have come to insist that some of my firearms have scopes if they are to be taken outside the house. The eyes are not getting any younger and the scopes are getting better all the time.

[intothenew]

I just can't let myself walk out without a backup. A scope is a wonderful thing, most of the time.

I tried the over/under get up for a while and just couldn't get used to it. I guess a stock mod could take care of that, but then the irons would be uncomfortable. I simply have the irons in place so if something does go wrong with the scope it can be removed and I'm functional.

It's never happened to me, knock on wood, but I've seen it twice. Once, on a back country hunting trip with no resupply for two weeks, one rifle was packed in the wagon wrong. Damaged scope and no irons. He was the camp cook until someone generous enough to let him use a rifle scored. The second was from a fall, and again no irons. That cost the guy two days time running to the nearest town, buying a scope and mounting, and a place and time to sight back in.



I'll give an argument for the over under also. A higher scope will push out sight line/tragectory cross a bit. That could let you ignore BDC out a little further. I just couldn't get comfortable with it.

[TresMon]

I have patrolled HARD (bumps, falls, drops, bangs against military vehicles, repeated hot/cold, took a 90* weapon and had to plug into 60* water......) and never had a GOOD quality optic fail. If I were going into a situation where I KNEW I would be shot at, a lot, in multiple engagments i.e. full on war combat- I'd want to have BUIS.

Any other situation- I'd forgo them... Even in my "preps"

[crashdive123]

I'm just looing for a win/win topic Crash.

If I do more 'splainin I will give an opinion rather than promote discussion. This way I can take either side depending on the amout of response one way or the other. I might even argue both sides all by myself!

I just wanted to promote some basic discussion beyond: look what I just bought, top three guns, top survival gun, if you could only have one gun...bla..bla..bla...

Scopes seemed like good neutral ground to operate on. Some people hate them, some love them and there are the take it or leave it group.

I have rifles with scopes, rifles without scopes, rifles with only scopes, rifles with both sets of sights, shotguns with/wo scopes, pistols with/wo scopes. I even have a couple of guns with no sights at all and they seem to serve their purpose well.

As I get older I have come to insist that some of my firearms have scopes if they are to be taken outside the house. The eyes are not getting any younger and the scopes are getting better all the time.

Gothca. Maybe because I was just on my third cup of coffee, but I read it as an "extra" set of iron sights and though - it would be a long, hard battle to cause a set of iron sights to fail.

Now that I've had the requisite amount of coffee, and have been out working....iron sights as a back-up to a scope? Yes. I don't do any long range shooting. While I have some scoped weapons, I prefer iron sights at 200 yards or less. That's the range we qualified at with the M-14 with just iron sights, so maybe that's why I chose that range.

[hunter63]

The older I get the scopes are becoming a necessity rather than a luxury, bifocals seem to have a problem seeing both rear and front sight clearly at the same time.

That being said, an over under set up, still have a few and they work.....but if you can't see iron to work w/o a scope, doesn't help to have an over under.

Future plans include playing around with Aim point, and red dot sights, although not for hunting.

As far as a scope failing, never had it happen personally, and have heard that they do....at least middle to to of the line scopes seem to hold up.

A back up rifle/shotgun is always available if out and about.....and it gives me a "Honey...I need a back up"...........excuse.

[Wildthang]

I prefer open sights on my home defense AR-15. I seem to squeeze off more rounds accuratly with open sights at around 100 yards or less!
And yes, I have had a Leupold scope fail to return to zero after dialing up for bullet drop comp. They repaired it promptly and it hasn't failed since.
Lots of top dollar scopes fail because of the nature of their environment. They are sometimes mounted on a gun that kicks like a mule, are exposed to all extremes of weather and temperature, and occasionally whacked against a tree or truck door. So some of them will develop problems.

[glockcop]

If a weapon has a place to hang back up sights on it, I always install them. My method of thought is, it's better to have and not need, than need and not have. All mechanical things crap out eventually. This includes optics. If your optic craps out on your hunting rifle, you go home meatless without BUIS. If your optic craps out on your tac carbine, you may go home in a bag without BUIS. I don't like either choice. Get ya some BUIS! Just MHO.

[kyratshooter]

But most field shooters do not dial in compensation, except when sighting in at the range. Return to zero is not an issue for them.

My own problems in that realm have been losing count of the clicks and not a scope malfunction. Most people sight it in, lock it down and learn their drop tables. Even my cheap BAS Sweet 22 returns to zero on the range adjustment with amazing accuracy. I use that one for metalic silo so it is dialed out to 100 and back several times during a shoot. Has nice marks that tell me where I am since the sometimers causes me to forget how many clicks I need to go from 75 to 100, and it is a bunch of clicks!

As I get older I have also found that if I do not have enough light to see through the scope neither can I find the iron front sight and rear sight.

Hunter, I put an aimpoint on my 94 Winchester a few years back. From what I can tell it works in the deer woods just as well as they do on an M4 in Falugia or Afganistan.

At least 13 countries are now equipped with the AUG as their combat rifle. It has no backup sights, just the built in scope. The bullpup Enfield started with built in scope and went to a rail mount, usually used with scope of dot sight.

And oddly enough, I was asked to include a 3-9 Tasco with mounts in one of my many care packages to Iraq for the stepson. It was not mounted on an M4, it lived on an M249 SAW for 6 months and it was on see through mounts, just in case.

I can not imagine going on a hunting trip with only one gun! That is why they sell MN rifles for $100, at least I though that was why. I have always had an old Mauser or Enfield or even a shotgun sighted for slugs as backup to my main rifle. If I suddenly realize my scope is bummed, something is about to get shot with a .357!

[hunter63]

I truly believe that the scopes these days are head and shoulders above the Weavers of old....actually was talking to a guy in the gun department about a BSA scope, seems they had different mounts 3/8 groove for .22's and a weaver style for center fire calibers.......Difference being about $40 bucks, same scope.

That being said, a Tasco World class 3 X9 circa 1985 or so, has been on the 7 mag in all sorts of trips, mountains, plains, La. Bayou country, cold northern WI gun deer, and every thing in between....haven't touched it a in years....and has retained the "magic rifle status" in my opinion...if i can see it,.... I can hit it.

I not sure you can get one like it any more.........

[your_comforting_company]

see through scope mounts proved productive for me last year. I like having two different ranges of fire.

[2dumb2kwit]

I have been an iron sight person for so long that my brain thinks that's how we're supposed to shoot. Problem is, my eyes think we're gettin' old and that rear sight keeps gettin' dang fuzzy.

[Beans]

I have been running one of these for several months on my AR.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-trophy-1x32-riflescope-730132p.html
They have a built in back up iron sight on the top. Even though they are only a 1X, I find them very accurate out to 200 meters. Offhand A 8 inch steel plate is rung regularly at 200 meters. I can't comment on the battery life at I haven't had any problems so far. Even so I just purchased 20 batteries IIRC @ $0.39 for backup.

[intothenew]

If my "aim" is too put the object into the center of a torso, that "V" and "Post" high atop a scope may do.

But for vermin and such, a sight line to bullet as close as possible at close distance, has some significant credence. Even for small game you could shoot under a rabbit or squirrel at close range, holding dead on with the irons, with that get up.

[kyratshooter]

This may be the best comprimise available today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwDCbybnCA

Mr Miceluk uses an aimpoint mounted at a 45 degree angle off the scope tube. He uses the red dot for close work and the scope for longer ranges. It seems to work for him and I am not about to tell him he is doing it wrong! The man is a shooting machine.

And if one does not like see through mounts Millett once offered a set of rings with iron sights on top.

[Beans]

The other sight I have on my other AR is this. By using the rear sight you can look through the red dot and see the front front sight just like the red dot wasn't there. It is made to work on AR flattop with the front sight post.


AR0125FASSY
RRA Dominator2 EOTech Mount


http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=318 and if you need magifaction you can add one of these

http://www.uscav.com/search.aspx?Search=eotech+mag&cm_sp=Search-_-Term-_-eotech+mag&TabID=548, which I don't have

[kyratshooter]

I believe that process is refered too as "cowitnessing". The aimpoint or other sighting aid is coordinated with the iron sights so that the dot or retcile is superimposed on the iron sights giving you a normal sight picture with a dot, circle or chevrons as the POI.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=ghost+ring+with+aimpoint&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1440&bih=621&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=6uXACVexM2JPPM:&imgrefurl=http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D7%26t%3D109411&docid=8Pi724lGnABfZM&imgurl=http://ultimak.com/gallery/dot1.jpg&w=319&h=352&ei=mCLOT4DhC5SC8AThv8H1Cg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=613&vpy=125&dur=3463&hovh=236&hovw=214&tx=180&ty=204&sig=116323468834600792630&page=1&tbnh=131&tbnw=119&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:79

I have seen better pictures but this is the best example I could find at the moment.

Is that the best of both worlds or needless complication?

[Thaddius Bickerton]

For what it is worth

I consider any other type of sights (scopes, acogs , etc) to be backups to my iron sights.

I cannot abide a weapon without iron sights on it, or at least having them in my possibles pouch to attach should some fancy new fangled contraption fail on me.

From my perspective I prefer a rear peep or ghost ring with a front blade of one MOA thickness as an all around sighting system for rifles and just the ghost and front blade on a shotgun, although I can make do with a bead or a express type rear sight / bead on them.

for handguns I like both adjustable irons with tritium inserts and simple channel front blade fixed sights such as can be found on some single action revolvers.

I have and use optical sights also, but for as near as I can get to indestructible, iron sights are the number one.

Others choose other things for their wants and needs.

It is choice that is what freedom is for ya, aint it?

Thad.

[kyratshooter]

I cannot abide a weapon without iron sights on it, or at least having them in my possibles pouch to attach should some fancy new fangled contraption fail on me.

Thad.

What new fangled contraptions are you speaking of?

Scopes are 200 year old weapons technology! They have been used in combat since the American Civil War. Aimpoints have now been used on compition, police and military weapons for just two years short of 4 decades.

As a contrast, No one seems to worry about using a new and unproved Glock, which has been around a decade less and 7 of the last 10 pistols submitted for military testing had a space age high tech plastic frame.

We want the latest and best in firearms technology, then we insist on sights left over from the 13th century. Yep, we are using the same peeps and open sights that were used on crossbows during the crusades.

[Rick]

If they were gooder enough for the Franks then they are gooder enough for me.

[Old Professor]

A few years ago there was a company/individual in Florida that made a peep blade for the Ruger 22 pistols. This was the best iron sight that I ever used on any handgun. Unfortunatly the maker appears to have gone out of business. I wish that handgun peeps were generally available, then any handgun I owned would wear one and a fiber optic front sight!

[Desert Rat!]

The very best thing I added to my AR Carbine was a quality trigger and right behind that was an Aimpoint red dot sight, backup irons yes A2 front with an A.R.M.S.40 rear flip up, the Aimpoint is magic and the more I shoot it the better it gets, the irons are stone reliable and never a question that they wouldn't be on my gun, these days with so many quality iron sights I dont think I would build a AR without them(maybe not a heavy long barrel AR) but a carbine for sure.

[Beans]

If they were gooder enough for the Franks then they are gooder enough for me.

I thought that was the :Jones"

[Rick]

The Franks were in the earlier crusades. The Jones came along about the 9th crusade or so.

[crashdive123]

That's right....I remember reading about the Franks. Lived right next door to the Incense family as I recall.

[hunter63]

Accross the street from the Myrrh's , Right?

[Thaddius Bickerton]

Anything not iron sights is new fangled in my definition.

feel free to disagree, thats freedom for ya aint it?

Might want to consider that I may just know a couple things about firearms myself.

Thad

[Bucksnort]

I think that I have struck a happy medium with my RRA LAR8. I have a Bushnell tactical red dot (non-magnification), with spring loaded flip up iron (actually polymer) sights fore and aft. I can use the iron sights through the unactivated red dot. I'm shooting 1" shot groups with either setup @ 100 yards. My iron sights are technically 'backup', but they're still an integral and immediate part of my weapon.

[kyratshooter]

I think that I have struck a happy medium with my RRA LAR8. I have a Bushnell tactical red dot (non-magnification), with spring loaded flip up iron (actually polymer) sights fore and aft. I can use the iron sights through the unactivated red dot. I'm shooting 1" shot groups with either setup @ 100 yards. My iron sights are technically 'backup', but they're still an integral and immediate part of my weapon.

I do not now about anyone else but I am getting really concerned about our Olympic selection process and the way we detirmine the winners at Camp Perry.

We fielded a team of the top shooters in the U.S. and they did not even place in the Olympic competition, and here we have a person that could have won gold using plastic flip up sights. Imagine what he could do with some precision equipment?

It never fails that we totaly miss all the good shooters and send duds to party down on our dime. I want this guy at Colorado Springs getting ready for the next world championships!

Who wants to contribute to the training fund?

[Old Professor]

Well, to each his own in light of our widely varying vision capabilities. At my age, 72, and the fact that I now must wear tri-focal glasses, iron sights are darn near impossible for me to use. On rifles I generally use a telescopic sight and more recently a holographic sight(non-magnifying). My ccw handguns all have CT lasers and I am investigating installing a holographic sight on my trail guns. If the sights quit working, I will have to point shoot!

[Bucksnort]

You're calling 1" shot groups at 100 yards Olympics ability? You're certainly never going squirrel hunting with me.......

I can shoot 1" shot groups at 100 yards because I spend hours practicing with bullets that I hand load. Save your pitiful sarcasm. Quite a forum you've guys got going here. Do you go out of your way to insult all new members? Hell, amongst the circle of guys that I shoot with-I'm far from the best shot. Maybe we should ALL go to your imaginary Olympics, eh buddy?

I don't think that you and I really need to speak again.

[crashdive123]

Let it go fellas.

[aflineman]

All of my rifles have iron sights on them, that are sighted in when I check zero on my scope. I have had a hunt saved by having open sights on a rifle as a back-up to the scope. Long hike/pack into the middle of nowhere. Scope was damaged in a fall with the rifle (I was busted-up a bit also). I was able to salvage the hunt and take an elk with just the open sights on that rifle. At the time I did not have an extra rifle to take with on the hunt. Nor really the inclination to pack two rifles with (even though we had horses).

[kyratshooter]

Let it go fellas.

AHHH Man, you don't let me have any fun anymore Crash!

The scores are public record and I havn't had any fun since we bounced the troll on Monday!

[hunter63]

I though the reason for 30 round mag were to not have to worry about 'sights"......just spray and pray, then reload.....
But that is just me.....

[Bucksnort]

I have the A.R.M.S flip ups on both ends, and they have performed flawlessly. I was hesitant regarding the polymer construction-but they have been on there for about 4,000 rounds now, and never required an adjustment after zeroing.

[going]

Hunting is one thing, shtf survival or defense shooting is another. The scope is too slow up close and it's not much use, if any, at night, either.

[tsitenha]

I like to have iron sights on my firearms if it is possible, just like your spare tire in the truck/car, may never need it but nice to have in a emergency.

[Phaedrus]

Scopes are really good nowadays, but I can't think of any downside to having BUIS, especially the ones that fold down when not in use. Well, no down side except the expense. But they're not all that expensive. Better to have and not need...

[Bushman]

all my rifles bar one, have iron sights.............

most have scopes as well.

I will NOT go big game hunting with out an 'either/or' option.

My take is to follow the Military and use QD mounts on everything as well as having BUIS.......

Latest rifle is a Savage Scout with a rear peep sight, front bead, and a Picatinny rail mounted with a 2-7 Scout scope on Warne QD rings.

The scope has never failed me, but often when the scrub gets too thick, I slip the scope off and use the irons..........takes all of 30 seconds.....

I don't drive a vehicle with out a spare tire.......same principle applies to rifles.....unless it was iron sighted in the first place such as my old model Winchester Trapper, which won't take a scope........and which doesn't 'need' one either.

[Daniel Nighteyes]

I have read the entire thread. [GASP!]

In the aggregate, I think what you folks have been saying smacks of the old engineering maxim "Form Follows Function". I've pretty well proven that I'm not an expert in anything (right, folks?) but I have dabbled in a lot of areas. Therefore, I think I have at least a little bit to contribute.

For me, the "correct" answer (the HOW) in any situation can only be derived from a detailed understanding of the intended mission/purpose (the WHAT). There exists a set of missions/purposes where the ONLY answer is an optical sight. There also exists a set of missions/purposes where the ONLY answer is iron sights. There is yet a third set of missions/purposes where both optical and iron sights are required, and a fourth where optical is preferred as long as iron sights are available as a back-up.

C'mon folks, this ain't rocket science. Before we can even begin a cogent dialog, we need to establish situational parameters. So far we've been "arguing" hunting versus target, target versus SHTF, hunting versus SHTF, and even more. Given this, its no wonder that we can't reach an agreement.

[2dumb2kwit]

I have read the entire thread. [GASP!]

In the aggregate, I think what you folks have been saying smacks of the old engineering maxim "Form Follows Function". I've pretty well proven that I'm not an expert in anything (right, folks?) but I have dabbled in a lot of areas. Therefore, I think I have at least a little bit to contribute.

For me, the "correct" answer (the HOW) in any situation can only be derived from a detailed understanding of the intended mission/purpose (the WHAT). There exists a set of missions/purposes where the ONLY answer is an optical sight. There also exists a set of missions/purposes where the ONLY answer is iron sights. There is yet a third set of missions/purposes where both optical and iron sights are required, and a fourth where optical is preferred as long as iron sights are available as a back-up.

C'mon folks, this ain't rocket science. Before we can even begin a cogent dialog, we need to establish situational parameters. So far we've been "arguing" hunting versus target, target versus SHTF, hunting versus SHTF, and even more. Given this, its no wonder that we can't reach an agreement.

Wait! I didn't think reaching an agreement was allowed, on the internet!:stuart:

[Daniel Nighteyes]

Wait! I didn't think reaching an agreement was allowed, on the internet!:stuart:

:innocent: :blushing: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[2dumb2kwit]

OK....a left handed shooter, who is blind in one eye and can't see very well out of the other, is shooting 800 yards at a squirrel with a .22lr, (but he does have 2 cans of beans left, back at the cabin.) in low light.....but also keep in mind that he may need to shoot his way through a horde of zombies to get home. Now, which is better?

[Daniel Nighteyes]

OK....a left handed shooter, who is blind in one eye and can't see very well out of the other, is shooting 800 yards at a squirrel with a .22lr, (but he does have 2 cans of beans left, back at the cabin.) in low light.....but also keep in mind that he may need to shoot his way through a horde of zombies to get home. Now, which is better?

His 22-year-old backup shooter, which he stored carefully away in his daypack for just such a situation...

[And ya might wanna be careful there -- yer hypothetical shooter danged near described me to a tee.]

[kyratshooter]

I have read the entire thread. [GASP!]

In the aggregate, I think what you folks have been saying smacks of the old engineering maxim "Form Follows Function". I've pretty well proven that I'm not an expert in anything (right, folks?) but I have dabbled in a lot of areas. Therefore, I think I have at least a little bit to contribute.

For me, the "correct" answer (the HOW) in any situation can only be derived from a detailed understanding of the intended mission/purpose (the WHAT). There exists a set of missions/purposes where the ONLY answer is an optical sight. There also exists a set of missions/purposes where the ONLY answer is iron sights. There is yet a third set of missions/purposes where both optical and iron sights are required, and a fourth where optical is preferred as long as iron sights are available as a back-up.

C'mon folks, this ain't rocket science. Before we can even begin a cogent dialog, we need to establish situational parameters. So far we've been "arguing" hunting versus target, target versus SHTF, hunting versus SHTF, and even more. Given this, its no wonder that we can't reach an agreement.


Come now Daniel, this is saying that cars are nice with their gas engines, but horses have their place, so we should make cars with provisions to be pulled by horses.

(hows that for sustaining a differing vision?)

[intothenew]

To turn a key, and to pull a trigger, are far different tasks. One is socialbly acceptable, even with it's dangers. The other is tolerated out of a fear of the dark.

Very few mule skinners exist today, and those that I know have a v and post. Are we the norm? Is this a popularity contest?

[Daniel Nighteyes]

Come now Daniel, this is saying that cars are nice with their gas engines, but horses have their place, so we should make cars with provisions to be pulled by horses.

(hows that for sustaining a differing vision?)

And why not??? [Heh-heh-heh!]

To be entirely serious, I have (or used to have, before the canoeing accident) firearms on both ends of this spectrum. I also had one long gun that would have served equally in both of them -- a left-handed (I'm a Southpaw) flat-top AR-15 that could be quickly adapted for optical sights or iron sights. Both sight-systems - before the accident, of course - had been carefully zeroed.

According to the old Russian proverb, "To be sure, the prudent man wears a belt AND suspenders."

[Daniel Nighteyes]

Very few mule skinners exist today, and those that I know have a v and post. Are we the norm? Is this a popularity contest?

V-and-post (and variations), IMO, will always be the norm. While I don't categorize myself as a "mule skinner", I am firmly in said camp.

Perhaps more than most "modern" shooters on this board I have may have a bit more direct personal experience in hitting far-away targets (400-plus yards) using only "ancient" firearms, iron sights and rifle-rests. (Emphasis on the word "may".)

This does not, by any means, suggest that I'd willingly give up my modern rifles and sighting systems in favor of the more historical ones. Not just "no", but "H*ll No!"

[hunter63]

So...My eye Dr says at the last exam...."You are used to seeing that target there a mile away, like the eagle.....line up them sights and let it fly, right?.....Well, my friend you can't do that any more, with out some help...called getting old...That just the way it is.

With Bifocals it's hard to see both the rear v and the front post clearly at the same time.....so glass it is.

Have seen a Flintlock long rifle with 3 or 4 dovetails up the barrel, moving the rear sight closer to the front...shooter had bifocals....and told me when tey are touching, he will put it away.

Use what ever you are comfortable with and like......nobody else is gonna shoot you what ever as much as you, right?

[Daniel Nighteyes]

My sympathies, Hunter63. BTDT, got the scars ta prove it.

Oddly enough, my challenge is at much closer ranges. With my glasses I can still distinguish the individual feathers on an Eagle's backside at up to 800 yards. I just can't see the rhinoceros that's about to run my backside over...

[Winter]

It's odd. As my site deteriorates, I have eliminated scopes. The cross hairs and red dots blur.

I am the odd man out it seems. When you fellas talk of your eyesights going, how? I can't see letters close to my face. At @ 10" away and closer it just gets more blurry.

I'm curious if my sight issues are the common sight issues that you older than me guys are dealing with. Seems that if I'm abandoning optics while you folks are adopting them; I may have a sight issue I may need checked out.


On the OP's question. I'm gonna need the irons. I find Kentucky windage very difficult with a scoped rifle at range. That's my shortcoming though.

[Wildthang]

I only have iron sights on my home defense AR because I want to be able to hit something in the dark and during daylight. I do not like scopes after dark and seem to hit way better with open sights. Just a personal preference but that's what works better for me!

[crashdive123]

It's odd. As my site deteriorates, I have eliminated scopes. The cross hairs and red dots blur.

I am the odd man out it seems. When you fellas talk of your eyesights going, how? I can't see letters close to my face. At @ 10" away and closer it just gets more blurry.

I'm curious if my sight issues are the common sight issues that you older than me guys are dealing with. Seems that if I'm abandoning optics while you folks are adopting them; I may have a sight issue I may need checked out.


On the OP's question. I'm gonna need the irons. I find Kentucky windage very difficult with a scoped rifle at range. That's my shortcoming though.

Sound like you are farsighted (your close up vision is deteriorating). I am severely nearsighted (can't see things at a distance). I do wear bifocals, but without any glasses at all I see very well just a couple of inches away. Without glasses I not only could not use the front sight, but I couldn't even see if there was one.

[2dumb2kwit]

Do I really need them?:dots:

Well.....most people are fine, just looking over their shoulder, or using the rearview mirror, but I say if iron sights help you to back up, then by all means use them.:lol:

(Hope this clears things up, for ya.)

[hunter63]

I thought the idea of 30 round magazines are to compensate for lack of being able to see real good........maybe I'm wrong?

[Daniel Nighteyes]

Well.....most people are fine, just looking over their shoulder, or using the rearview mirror, but I say if iron sights help you to back up, then by all means use them.:lol:

(Hope this clears things up, for ya.)

GAWD, how I love the humor on these Wilderness-Survival Forum boards!

-- Daniel (left-eyed, left-handed, left-footed, left-leaning) Nighteyes

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