SHTF scenarios anybody?

[Hubert]

Hi guys I'm new here and just wonder what you think is likely to plunge us into a SHTF (sh*t hits the fan) survival situation?
Here's are a few possible scenarios, have i missed any out?-

1- A "super-Chernobyl/Fukushima" incident.

2- A massive asteroid strike that throws up enough dust to block sunlight for years.

3- A nuclear war.

[JPGreco]

4- Conventional war on US soil
5- weather pattern shift
6- government collapse
7- Civil War

[hunter63]

8) super volcano
9) magnetic pole shift
10) zombies
11) Dec. 21 2012

[kyratshooter]

Why are we suddenly back on the Walter Mitty nightmare dreamwagon?

How about huricane, fire, flood and tornado?

They actually happen in real life, rather than the first 11 which might happen once every 500-100,000 years, if at all.

[hunter63]

KRS, Pssst, just going with the jest of the OP....the SHTF's where we are sooooo screwed...you know?

[Sourdough]

Yes, The single most likely one: Dr. say's, Sorry, you have cancer. We can give you something for the pain, but other than that there is just nothing we can do, sorry"

[Hubert]

It's just that there are so many Doomsday scenarios around that each one would have to be prepared for in a different way wouldn't it?

PS- i've just thought of another one- Plague. (possibly an accidental escape of germs from a lab that wipes out 95% of humans)

[Winter]

Prepare for zombies and then all other things are encompassed.

[Batch]

Yes, The single most likely one: Dr. say's, Sorry, you have cancer. We can give you something for the pain, but other than that there is just nothing we can do, sorry"

My aunt caught a cold and went to the doctor. Told she had pneumonia. A week later she was diagnosed with terminal cancer. A couple days letter she was dead.

[SARKY]

With the Euro between a rock and a hard place, and the national debt of so many countries, I would say a financial melt leading to uber inflation, riots (wait, you're already having those in the UK and europe) general unlawfulness and a break down of society. Can I say, drawing and quartering all the bankers?

[Sourdough]

My aunt caught a cold and went to the doctor. Told she had pneumonia. A week later she was diagnosed with terminal cancer. A couple days letter she was dead.

That is REAL World Sh!t hit the fan.

[Winter]

You guys are going off on things you can't prepare for.

Prepare for what you can, when you can.

[Rick]

(slowly banging head on wall). If you don't change the batteries in your smoke and CO detectors you might find out real quick. KY and Nell are living SHTF first hand. It has nothing to do with plagues or zombies or economic meltdown or anything else that isn't going to happen. It has to do with REAL events that happen everyday.

[Old GI]

Sister-in-Law moves in! Oh wait, she did!!!!!

[Wildthang]

Gasoline and diesel going to $10 per gallon! You probably wont believe what that would do!

[finallyME]

I'll go with:

1. sun going supernova and enveloping the earth.
2. Another large star exploding and sending a gamma ray burst straight at the earth.
3. An alien race called the Xindi being told by ill-intentioned time travelers that humans will come and destroy them in the future, so they decide to build a massive weapon that can destroy earth to eradicate all humans and prevent them from forming a federation of planets.
4. Another alien race who are half biological and half machine who travel the galaxy assimilating all life into their own collective.
5. The death star thinking that there is a rebel base on earth.
6. Another alien race composed of robots that can change from humanoid form to vehicle form and back again at will, who are led by an evil leader who is driven by a lust for power and wants to subject all life under his control.
7. Loki
8. nano-robots who can modify their structure and who's only goal is to replicate until all resources are depleted.
9. liberals

I can think of some others, but they take more to explain.

[Hubert]

Gasoline and diesel going to $10 per gallon! You probably wont believe what that would do!

And when oil eventually runs out things will be even worse. I tried researching it on the net and all the experts are divided on when D-day (Dry-day) will be; but their general consensus of opinion is that it'll be "sometime before the end of this century".
Some oil industry experts say that 2010 was the first year that supply couldn't meet demand, and that it's downhill to D-day all the way from now on.
Others say oil won't run out for centuries because there are still untapped deposits under the ground and sea,
But the bottom line is that there's only so much oil in the planet earth and it WILL therefore run out one day.
We'll then be in serious poop because there'll be nothing to power our jets and tanks and stuff and we'll be back to stone age weapon technology, right General?

"Ugh!"
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[finallyME]

There is debate as to whether there really is a limited amount of oil deposits. Also, we already have technology that doesn't rely on fossil fuel for energy. I doubt we will go back to stone age.

[hunter63]

Well, it seems there will be alot of disappointed people out there that have prepped up for all the over the top scenarios, all for the pleasure of saying...."I told ya soooooo" a nanosecond before they are vaporized.......and nothing catastrophic happens,...... but just a slow decline.....

[Hubert]

..I doubt we will go back to stone age.

Bin there dun that! I'm talking about a power cut after dark, which many of us have experienced at some time or other, here's an article i did which shows just how much we rely on electricity-

NIGHTFALL
I'll never forget an incident some years ago; i was sitting at my computer one evening after dark when suddenly it switched itself off and the light in the room went off.
At first i thought a fuse had blown, but then i realised the street lamp outside had gone off too.
I looked out the window and there was no light anywhere, not a glimmer of any kind.
Power cut! (It lasted about an hour)
"Oh well" i thought, "i might as well make myself a cup of tea" and grabbed a torch (flashlight).
But the kettle stayed cold because i'd forgotten it was an electric kettle, duh..
So i trudged into the other room to watch TV. Bad move, no electricity..
It was turning cold, so i tried the electric heating. Stone cold of course..
I ambled into the back garden to look around and see if i could spot a light somewhere, anywhere, but without success.
Then as my eyes grew accustomised to the pitch blackness, I glanced up to the sky, and was hit by the stunning sight of a trillion stars blazing down that took my breath away!
As a city-dweller i'd never seen them like this before because of light pollution, but now i could see the whole heavenly array in all their splendour, not just the usual bright ones but all the tiny faint ones like grains of sand, and the band of the Milky Way across the zenith, the whole show seemed to have an awesomely dizzying 3D depth to it.
It was a very spiritual experience, there i was, back in the stone age without electricity,cold, lonely and dying for a cup of tea, yet there were the heavens blazing down in all their glory, huge, powerful, majestic, eternal, scary...

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[Winter]

My modest preparations saved me during a routine SHTF. I was out of work for 9 months. We ate almost our entire store of canned goods and I had to sell a rifle but I never had to beg from the state to get welfare or food stamps.

[hunter63]

My modest preparations saved me during a routine SHTF. I was out of work for 9 months. We ate almost our entire store of canned goods and I had to sell a rifle but I never had to beg from the state to get welfare or food stamps.

Ya I hear ya, most SHTF will involve job loss, heath issues and the fire, flood, and tornado scenarios......so that's what I prepare for.

[kyratshooter]

Hubert,

I think the key words in your post are "city dweller".

As a "rural dweller" I am equipped to provide my own power needs for an extended period (generator) and after that go to secondary sources (battery bank) with oikl supplies for cooking and most lighting. I have propane for a month of heat at any given time and the food preps will keep me alive until long after the lack of meds has killed me.

Thing is, I did this when I was a "city dweller". After five years and several natural disasters I had converted the entire neighborhood to sensable emergency activities.

Allowing oneself to become completely systems dependant is the temptation we all must avoid.

And keep in mind that 19th century non-petrolium technology was not the "stone age".

Last references I checked outside the global warming or psycho-prepper community said we have oil reserves to meet all needs projected for the next 400 years and more are being discovered daily. America could sustain out own oil needs for the next 200 years without importing a single barrel. We just have to take it out of the ground.

And there is a big difference between supply and production. As long as demand exceeds production they can take only the amount of the supply needed to bleed the world economy.

[Hubert]

My modest preparations saved me during a routine SHTF. I was out of work for 9 months. We ate almost our entire store of canned goods and I had to sell a rifle but I never had to beg from the state to get welfare or food stamps.

I did! Whenever i've gone through unemployed spells, I regarded dole simply as getting my money back from the system which i'd been paying into via taxes when i was at work..:)

PS- Electromagnetic Pulse is another Doomsday Event that could plunge us back into the stone age by zapping every piece of electronics on the planet, either by a burst from the sun, or by orbiting EMP bombs.
Kurt Russell showed how to do it in 'Escape from LA"-

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VID CLIP- "He shut down the earth!" (1:25) http://youtu.be/Ed6Yr81jZ6g

[Winnie]

Methinks someone is yanking our chain.

[kyratshooter]

I think I agree with you Winnie. There is apparently no connection to reality for this one.

I feel like I have mistakenly clicked on the Survivalboards forum!!

We really need some "mall ninja" pictures to round this experience out.

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[hunter63]

Wonder if a EMP will put out the wood stove?????

[Hubert]

Methinks someone is yanking our chain.


I think I agree with you Winnie. There is apparently no connection to reality for this one.
I feel like I have mistakenly clicked on the Survivalboards forum!!


Oops sorry, am i boring you guys? Maybe i'd better check out some other Survival websites to see if they want my stunning stuff if you don't..;)

[Winnie]

I think I agree with you Winnie. There is apparently no connection to reality for this one.

I feel like I have mistakenly clicked on the Survivalboards forum!!

We really need some "mall ninja" pictures to round this experience out.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://6.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/76/81/940a597f9bafe5eb918f033b97d2fbc5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/index.php/topic/22219-for-those-who-like-guns/page__st__20&h=800&w=600&sz=85&tbnid=WCx905r2UMnuwM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=68&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmall%2Bninja%2Bpictures%26tbm%3Disch% 26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=mall+ninja+pictures&docid=ct4Bh29lHfYAyM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0MRsT6PYNoObtwew4pXABg&sqi=2&ved=0CF0Q9QEwDg&dur=0


I can do better than that! We had our very own Mall Ninja!! If they are still up, his nightime youtube vids are a must see for every city dweller.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/member.php?3755-Kamiyama


Hunter, you might want to think about putting that stove in one of them there Farady thingies. Can't be too careful eh?

[Winter]

Fear not Hubert. There's always grumpy old guys trying to dampen conversation.

Maybe www.ohhnomypower'sout.com is where some should be.

Borrring....

[kyratshooter]

I can do better than that! We had our very own Mall Ninja!! If they are still up, his nightime youtube vids are a must see for every city dweller.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/member.php?3755-Kamiyama


Hunter, you might want to think about putting that stove in one of them there Farady thingies. Can't be too careful eh?

Yes Winnie, I see the one you linked too lasted almost 6 weeks between first and last posts. We must have been too realistic for him too.

There are definately enough real world problems to survive without worrying about imiganary senerios that can not be survived. Too much wasted time and effort.

Even if you live full time where others intend to bug out too you still have normal tasks that never cross the minds of them that sit at the computer wearing tin foil hats.

The lawn must be mowed, I have a cord of wood to stack from the downed trees after the tornado and there is a leak in a drain pipe under the house. I have to install a new bathtub and replace the floor the old one damaged. My contribution in plague fighting has been done for the day, I cleaned my refregerator. Tomorrow my faraday cage will be expanded to cover the entire structure once I get the aluminum screens on the windows and preasure wash the aluminum siding on the house. I have to build a new chicken house in the next week and prepare for the arrival of the birds. I live two miles from the range and I have not fired a shot in three weeks and the lake, 1/4 mile from the door, has yet to have my fishing line dropped in this year.

There is a lot of work involved with living through about half of what the city survivalists have not thought of yet. I just hope that astroid does not hit the day after I clean the oven. That would really tick me off!

Hubert, I do not wish to be ill mannered but there are precious few websites left on the internet that foster the fantacy minded. Those that have lasted have a constant flow of newbies as the members go on and off their medication and begin googling their paranoia. You will probably find some new friends to play with if you google "zombie attack".

[RockyRaccoon]

Just learn some primitive skills to build a survival mindset/foundation and then go get some experience. Thats all you can do. Practice practice practice.

[Rick]

There isn't enough tin foil to make the number of hats that would be required for this thread. I may have to sew some soda cans together.

[Winter]

Will soda cans block the alien zombie brain scanners?

[Rick]

Probably just fill them up and make them heavy.

[JPGreco]

Can I add nuclear radiation creating any one or several of the following; 1) Godzilla; 2) Giant Insects; 3) Humanoid Mutants; 4)Killer Tomatoes

[Rick]

Okay...Humanoid Mutants....That's possible. I mean, I know it's true. How else would you explain Lindsey Lohan?

[JPGreco]

and Andy Dick

[kyratshooter]

Want to see a prepper go off the deep end? You should have been at my place a couple of hours ago. They issued another tornado warning!!! That does it! I have not even picked up all the wood from three weeks ago!

Hubert, you come to my place tomorrow and we can start on the storm shelter. I have a new shovel and wheelbarrow. We need to move 1,000 cubic feet of dirt, start mixing concrete and stacking cinder blocks. That should take your mind off TEOTWAWKI and doing it in 86 degree temps will teach you why Americans drink their beer cold.

[intothenew]

.............I'm talking about a power cut after dark.............


I feel that at the hunting cabin roughly 8 weeks a year.


I feel that at home roughly two weeks a year.


I feel that somewhere beside of the road roughly 12 weeks a year.


The rest of the year is in anticipation of those moments. Why do I crave the grid?: is my question.

[JPGreco]

Want to see a prepper go off the deep end? You should have been at my place a couple of hours ago. They issued another tornado warning!!! That does it! I have not even picked up all the wood from three weeks ago!

Hubert, you come to my place tomorrow and we can start on the storm shelter. I have a new shovel and wheelbarrow. We need to move 1,000 cubic feet of dirt, start mixing concrete and stacking cinder blocks. That should take your mind off TEOTWAWKI and doing it in 86 degree temps will teach you why Americans drink their beer cold.

At one time I thought about moving out the midwest to start a storm cellar business. Build and/or install them. I just can't imagine going through what you have gone through. Stay safe man.

[Rick]

It's a very odd statement on human nature but the only time storm shelters and generators are in demand is directly before and after a bad storm. With hurricanes it's usually before since they are known well in advance. With tornadoes it's after. I'm guessing water pumps are big right after a tsunami. Well, that and radiation suits.

[Batch]

You know we had a couple of one or even two day power outages after close call hurricanes. We also have dealt with rolling blackouts when power demands exceed our power companies ability to supply. But, after we took a direct hit from Wilma in 2005 everyone bought a generator. I also know the majority who did buy a generator do not properly store nor run thier genrators. So, I'll bet if we ever need them again more then half will not run because of clogged jets.

[hunter63]

Wild turkeys, flying down off the ridge, hitting the power lines, do knock our power at "The Place" out from time to time.....and storms.
Really the only thing I need power for, is the in-ground pump....But I can use the hand pump.

[Wildthang]

I have 2 generators, you know the old saying, 1 is none, and 2 is 1. I would actually like to have another one so I am watching for good deals. If there ever was an extended outage, for instance 1 or 2 months, you could literally wear a single generator out!

[Rick]

You just have to take the coil out, soak it in voltage and re-install it. It's hard to wear out a generator if you follow that advice.

[kyratshooter]

I have a funny attitude toward generators. I do not attempt to maintain the house on gen power, only the fridge/freezer and a couple of lights. If the situation were a long term event I would not even do that and use the gen power only for power tool operation.

While in town my neighbors would go on gen power so they could watch TV.

While building my previous home I went a year off grid. The gen was for power tools. The RV I was living in was powered on 12 volt/solar and propane for all other needs.

During that year I went from late March until mid October without having to recharge the batteries working only off a small solar pannel from Autozone. The batteries were charging 18 hours a day and being used only about 2 hours.

You have to be carefull soaking those coils in voltage Rick. I once left one in a pool of voltage too long and it blew up on me when I hooked it back up. I probably did not let it dry out long enough.

[Batch]

You know that you can't just soak the coils in an indiscriminate amount of voltage. It should be one measured coulomb per desired Joule of power.

[Rick]

You boys have been reading too many college electrical books. If you tie a string on the coil and lower it in a 5 gallon bucket of voltage to about midway then that's perfect. The high voltage will stay above the coil and the low voltage will stay below. That mid layer is perfect for a genny. KY - You have to hook the negative lead up FIRST. I've seen guys hook up the positive lead and the coil will fizzle and spark voltage and finally blow up.

Batch - I figured a SHTF situation for you would be to run out of hot sauce.

[hunter63]

Always make sure that those outlets in the wall have something plugged in to them....so the voltage doesn't leak out and make a puddle on the floor.....that you might step in.

And remember that all electricity works on FM and smoke...........

[intothenew]

Coulomb is rolling in his grave.

[Wildthang]

Being that my background is in electrical engineering, this is going to give me nightmares!

[Girly]

I am not one that believes asteroids are around the corner, or Gama rays are coming, but I think there will be a real problem in the future with the number of Baby Boomers retiring and the new health care bill implemented.
I work in the medical industry and deal with insurance daily. The first wave of Baby Boomers are retiring and they will expect to collect from the Social Security fund and sign up for Medicare. The Social Security fund is already maxed out and the government is trying to figure out how to rob Peter to pay Paul to make it work.
There are many Baby Boomers that are finding out they won’t be able to afford to retire just yet and they will have to stay in the job market. This is going to put a major cramp into our already tight job market.
I work with seniors in the health care industry and I can tell you that on average each one is on about 7 different medications. Just wait for a couple of years when the boomers really start showing up for benefits.
The new health care bill is already gearing up to make big changes in 2014. As of right now Medicare is making it difficult for seniors to get some items covered. I work with people that have Medicare and secondary insurance and they have never had to pay for any out of pocket expense until now. They are always so surprised. This is just the beginning.
I think in another 7 to 10 years we are going to see a really big change in the country..that just may constitute for a when the SHTF scenario.

[Rick]

I hate to tell you but robbing Peter to pay Paul is why Social Security is in the mess that it's in.

[Girly]

Rick,

You are correct. The government has used the Social Security fund for a lot of things they shouldn't have (i.e. funding of wars), but now it is coming down to the wire, and it is time to pay the piper...problem is..there's no money. It is going to get ugly in the next few years...just my thinking.

[Allen Currie Author]

4- Conventional war on US soil
5- weather pattern shift
6- government collapse
7- Civil War

Any natural disaster such as solar flares wiping out our electrical grid or super volcano eruptions are certain, but over what time frame?

Allen

[Allen Currie Author]

I hate to tell you but robbing Peter to pay Paul is why Social Security is in the mess that it's in.

You forgot the part about skimming off a "fair" (70% or +) for 'gummint'

Allen

[finallyME]

And keep in mind that 19th century non-petrolium technology was not the "stone age".


This is pretty much the point I was trying to make. Pick any method of completely cutting all power to the grid in the whole world. Where will that send us? Not too far. They didn't have electrical power in the 1800's. And, it wouldn't even send us back to the 1800's. Why? Because we still have all the knowledge and infrastructure to fix it back to where it was before.

Anyways, I don't have a generator. I decided that I should prep for no power. Although my preps aren't complete, my plan is to just have everything I need not run on electricity. This means wood stove for warming the house and cooking in cold weather. Outside fire pit and solar oven for cooking in the hot summer (to not heat the house). Oil lamps for light ( and going to bed at dark). There are also these things called blankets. If you put them on, they keep you warm in cold weather, pretty neat actually.

[finallyME]

You boys have been reading too many college electrical books. If you tie a string on the coil and lower it in a 5 gallon bucket of voltage to about midway then that's perfect. The high voltage will stay above the coil and the low voltage will stay below. That mid layer is perfect for a genny. KY - You have to hook the negative lead up FIRST. I've seen guys hook up the positive lead and the coil will fizzle and spark voltage and finally blow up.

Batch - I figured a SHTF situation for you would be to run out of hot sauce.

I should try that. But, first, I need to fill my blinker fluid reservoir in my car. I think its getting empty.

This reminds me of a joke we played on our truck master in Iraq. We drove big trucks that carried tanks. Anyways, for brakes, they had air brakes. You would think that someone with the title "truck master" would know this. One time a soldier asked him if he could help him find the brake fluid reservoir. An hour later, he decided to give up the search and ask the mechanics. They told him it was next to the blinker fluid reservoir.

[Rick]

You can prep for both, you know. I have kerosene lamps but I have my ginny, too. What happens if it's a short Zombie Apocalypse and only like 20 or 30 show up. Maybe they get the date wrong and show up early? I can just fire up the ginny and sit inside in the aid conditioning while they melt away outside. You, on the other hand, will have to run around the charcoal grill trying to flip burgers AND stay out of their reach.

What happens if Bernanke holds a press conference and announces that the U.S. economy tanked then the next day he figures out the negative sign was just an eraser smudge. There you are lighting candles, getting burned on the solar oven and I'm still sitting in the air conditioning with my ginny running.

[finallyME]

You can prep for both, you know. I have kerosene lamps but I have my ginny, too. What happens if it's a short Zombie Apocalypse and only like 20 or 30 show up. Maybe they get the date wrong and show up early? I can just fire up the ginny and sit inside in the aid conditioning while they melt away outside. You, on the other hand, will have to run around the charcoal grill trying to flip burgers AND stay out of their reach.

What happens if Bernanke holds a press conference and announces that the U.S. economy tanked then the next day he figures out the negative sign was just an eraser smudge. There you are lighting candles, getting burned on the solar oven and I'm still sitting in the air conditioning with my ginny running.

All I need to do is make my ac not reliant on electricity. A big squirrel cage for the kids to run in should do it. :) Maybe get one for the dog to run in as well.

Solar panels and a generator are on my long term list of things to get. But, because of the expense, and the fact they aren't top priority, just means it will be a while. I need to buy a wood stove first. I think that is higher priority, and cheaper.

[hunter63]

Seems that most people in the northern part of Louisiana have gen sets....as the ice storms, tornadoes and hurricanes can knock power out on a regular basis.
Or at least that's what DD and SIL prepare for.

Unfortunately they live in a all electric house, heat, water heater, stove, pump and septic system, (sprayer system).
Do have a fire place that will provide heat in the family room/kitchen.

Year before last SIL had to replace a gen as it had a part broken inside the control and shorted it out.

In replacing it, he went to a 8000 watt unit, and after adding up usage was still small for what he wanted to do with it....namely the whole house.

A/c, heat and water heater added up to waaaaaay more watts than a 8k gen would handle, and I suspect that's why the old one packed it in.

Just couldn't seem to get him to just do the math and add up uses.
Water heater with 2 elements @8000 watts each were over the 8k rating on gen set.

Last summer they got around the a/c problem by staying in a camper with A/c and a whole lot less wattage used.

So adding up pump/septic, couple of lights, freezer, refrig......outlets for TV/radio (weather reports) did fit under the rating....but was hard to get them to shut down the A/c and water heater for showers (couple a day, each?)

BTW I brought home the old gen-set and replaced the coil/control as it was identical to the unit I have had for a while.

One need to determine your needs vs your wants and plan accordingly......with emphasis on non-grid or fuel powered back ups.

[matt47]

Anyways, I don't have a generator. I decided that I should prep for no power. Although my preps aren't complete, my plan is to just have everything I need not run on electricity. This means wood stove for warming the house and cooking in cold weather. Outside fire pit and solar oven for cooking in the hot summer (to not heat the house). Oil lamps for light ( and going to bed at dark). There are also these things called blankets. If you put them on, they keep you warm in cold weather, pretty neat actually.

It´s the same at my bush place...we don´t have a generator, though the wife and I have been talking about getting one from time to time but in a way I don´t even really want one. It´s just another expense (diesel) and they are very loud while in use. It would be different if we needed one for water, and I have lived on outstations where the water was pumped from a diesel generator but thankfully that´s not the case out at my place. The only thing I would really use a generator for would be to keep fresh meat longer but since I make biltong all the time it´s not a necessity. And being able to watch movies more often isn´t a good enough excuse to get a generator...not for me anyways...the wife would enjoy it but she doesn´t need it either...We get our water from a solar powered bore and that is really all we need. And the lack of a permanent source of electricity keeps away the in laws from visiting too often I reckon lol...

We cook on the fire, heat with the fire, I make torches from time to time from tallow but we usually have a decent flashlight around...and we have a mattress and blankets...we make a pretty good wind break next to the tin house with a fire to keep us warm in cold and windy weather...most of the year we sleep out in the open under the stars unless it´s raining but it never really gets that cold anyways that you need to sleep indoors in that subtropical desert climate, nothing like a temperate clime where a wood stove would be more useful...the open fire with a elevated bunk works good enough...

[Batch]

Batch - I figured a SHTF situation for you would be to run out of hot sauce. \

You no Rick, power grids down and zombies attacking make for compelling conversation. But you go to far sir!!! No hot sauce! :saddam:

[finallyME]

And the lack of a permanent source of electricity keeps away the in laws from visiting too often I reckon lol...


Well, there ya go. Sign me up. :D

[Wildthang]

I have a very small window air conditioner that I install when the weather is hot, and the power goes down. My 10,000 watt generator runs it just fine, and we have a nice cool place to sleep. All other times we run the central air.
I dont mind sleeping in the heat when I'm camping, or just out in the woods for a few days, but when I'm home, I like it cool!

[kyratshooter]

Watt usage is tricky too!

A full sized refregerator or deep freezer uses only 500 watts while a coffee maker uses 1200 on brew cycle, a microwave up to 2000.

Best to just go into conservation mode with a smaller genset and preserve the food, run a couple of light bulbs and sweat like we did in the 1950s.

If you do not try to run the whole house you can easily get by with a $150, 1000 watt unit for the fridge and a couple of lights. Make a bit of ice and keep the food cold. 5 hours on a pint of gas and do not open the fridge door unless the gen is running.

[Wildthang]

Well we run pretty much the whole house on 10,000 watts, except for central air, and the electric range. I run the kitchen fridge all the time, and plug in the freezer for 5 hours a day to keep everything frozen. I either unplug or kill the breakers on anything that I dont want to run so if the girls forget and turn on the range oven, it doesn't lock up my generator. It will run the well pump, frigde, window unit AC or central heat, several lights, TV, and the garage door opener no problem. My water heater, and central heat is gas so I dont have to worry about that!

[dreamer53]

After watching discovery channel show on super volcanos I got a little nervous. They said the one under yellowstone has gone off like every 600,000 years, and that its WAY past due.If it were to blow within weeks the sun would be blocked across most of the U.S. temps. would drop an average of 20degrees. Life would change quickly not only for us but for people all over the planet.
Being in Florida I've seen first hand how fast things can go down hill when ever we have a hurricane.The stores empty even before it hits then theres no power, no garbage pickup, no gas so you can't get anywhere. Thank God it usually only last for a week or so. Just think if it lasted months or even years

[Wildthang]

I wonder how far the volcanic ash would reach after the initial blast of the Yellowstone cauldera? Seems like I saw a map of that somewhere, and the thick ash fallout would almost get to Illinois if my memory serves me correctly. Those are the people that would really be up the creek. Anybody out of that zone would at least have some time to prepare for global cooling I would think!

[Rick]

Here are the fallout zones for the last 3 eruptions according to USGS.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3024/images/fs2005-3024_fig_12.jpg

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3024/

[Allen Currie Author]

Personally I am prepping based only on what the pioneers had available. Yes, I don't hesitate to use technology to reach a certain point. For instance I don't hesitate to use a dozer to break the land, but I am totally prepared to work the land later manually. Breaking the land and uprooting willows and roots are a one time thing and it would be foolish to do something the hard way when there is an easy way readily available. In the long run I want to be totally self sufficient. In the same vein I am using the best insulation I can afford and plastic sheet in my construction because it is very long term. If the world does go to hell in a handbasket I will have time to come up with alternate solutions.

And yes, I did a whole lot of research on things like historical weather patterns before I picked my location.

[Rick]

I would think where you are that things like radios would be less a luxury and more a necessity. Not only does it keep you abreast of what's going on but can be used in an emergency to summon help. That, of couse, would mean power generation in some form. If things go bad, as you fear, how will you know what's going on? Knowledge is power.

[Wildthang]

Here are the fallout zones for the last 3 eruptions according to USGS.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3024/images/fs2005-3024_fig_12.jpg

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3024/

Thanks Rick, I thought that the eastern line stopped right at Illinios, so that means We are probably safe here in Ohio at least from the thick ash cloud.
Like I said before, the folks in the ash cloud will immediately be in SHTF!

[natertot]

Wild, we maybe safe from the ash cloud, but there will still be debris and matter that will reach us that would effect our crops, water, and wildlife. Also, alot of people will be running our direction using up alot of resources. All of CONUS will be in a hurt!

[Wildthang]

Wild, we maybe safe from the ash cloud, but there will still be debris and matter that will reach us that would effect our crops, water, and wildlife. Also, alot of people will be running our direction using up alot of resources. All of CONUS will be in a hurt!

Yeah Nator I know, I was only talking about the initial ash drop that covers everything almost immediately. But yeah it will be a mass migration to the east, and of course the global cooling will set in sometime after that. I see the Yellowstone cauldera as probably one of the top 10 most likely SHTF events the US right now.
At least we will have time to prepare, and won't be covered in ash here, so we have a definate advantage with that!

[kyratshooter]

"Top 10 most likely"???

Right under zombie apocolipse and astroid stike?

If Yellowstone does go it will not just cover the western states with ash. It will end civilization, probably the entire human race. Probably trigger another ice age, adjust ocean currents and render studies of "historic weather patterns" useless as the mile high ice wall approches the Ohio River and covers northern Europe.

That is not a senerio, you can not prepare for that, you can not equip for it, you can not train for it and there is not one thing you can do about it.

Wasted time fighting nightmares.

Pick your battles and prep for something you can do something about.

[dreamer53]

Talking about prepping, I watched a little of that show thats on now and it showed a woman who has been prepping for years. She had an impressive amount of stuff stockpiled. But she brought some friends from work over and let them see her stuff. She was trying to get them into it. Point is,This seems like a big mistake to me. You show a couple people and they tell a couple friends. Then if something does happen you've got all these people that aren't prepared but know what you've got and where it is. I just think its better to keep to yourself

[Rick]

I've added a folding chair to my preps for asteroids, super volcanoes and such. I'll just set it up, get some popcorn and watch the show.

[hunter63]

I've added a folding chair to my preps for asteroids, super volcanoes and such. I'll just set it up, get some popcorn and watch the show.

And the beer, don't forget the beer....been a long time since I saw a real apocalypse, .............

[Wildthang]

"Top 10 most likely"???

Right under zombie apocolipse and astroid stike?

If Yellowstone does go it will not just cover the western states with ash. It will end civilization, probably the entire human race. Probably trigger another ice age, adjust ocean currents and render studies of "historic weather patterns" useless as the mile high ice wall approches the Ohio River and covers northern Europe.

That is not a senerio, you can not prepare for that, you can not equip for it, you can not train for it and there is not one thing you can do about it.

Wasted time fighting nightmares.

Pick your battles and prep for something you can do something about.

It all depends on the magnitude of the eruption. And if it a fairly low magnitude, it may be survivable. I dont think it is fair to say that it will wipe out mankind. The scientists dont know, and I doubt seriousley if you do.
The only thing they can say is it is past due, and they THINK it may be a big one. But we all know that mother nature does exactly as she wants, and it may be a low level eruption despite all of the horror story's.
Besides, the temperature of the earth will take quite a long time to cool, it wont be a flash freeze. And nobody knows how long the ash will stay in the atmosphere, so mankind could be here for a while after the event, maybe forever, nobody really knows.
I am preparing for realistic possible events, but I'm just saying that this one is in the top 10, based on it's past eruption intervals.

[backtobasics]

I have not read the whole thread so this may have been said already. How about Yellowstone erupting? Soryy just seen that it has been mentioned.

[Allen Currie Author]

I would think where you are that things like radios would be less a luxury and more a necessity. Not only does it keep you abreast of what's going on but can be used in an emergency to summon help. That, of couse, would mean power generation in some form. If things go bad, as you fear, how will you know what's going on? Knowledge is power.

Well actually I do have hand crank radios but hopefully my remoteness will lessen my need for current news. I think that clocks might be more valuable to me. Strangely, I currently do not miss the "news" when I am in isolation. Mostly I find that the emergencies in the middle east continue like a soap opera. I can miss a year of episodes and still be quite up to date when I see the next episode. The slow slide of the world financial situation and particularly of the US dollar is quite predictable and on course, particularly in retrospect. Even if required, I don't expect to be able to get help in the worst case.

Sorry for the delay in replying but I have been busy out of town.

Allen

[Winter]

Even if required, I don't expect to be able to get help in the worst case.
Allen

That is why I prepare and study this stuff. I rely on me; everybody else has a different agenda.

I strongly believe that wilderness survival is key to SHTF survival. Self reliance through knowledge.

[Sparky93]

Top of my SHTF list:

They stop making Twinkies
Pigs go extinct and we have no more bacon
They stop making The Walking Dead
The government outlaws junk food
PETA outlaws fishing because it causes mental trauma to the fish

The list goes on and on....

[Sparky93]

Now all kidding aside my top five main concerns of SHTF at this time would be:

Fire; I feel pretty safe in the dorm, the hole building is concrete, got the fire escape down pat, if there was a fire in the hallway I'm only on the second floor so the window is my next option. But the bad thing about my dorm is the fire alarm system is very old, and very sensitive, so about every week we have a fire alarm at 2-4 in the morning for no reason due to the faulty system. And it has got people in the state of mind that when the fire alarm goes off there is no actual fire.

Car accident; they claim many lives every year, and it's a split second of reaction time to keep you safe if SHTF while your driving. Whether it's an animal, another driver, or yourself, always stay keep a close eye on whats happening while your on the road, even if your riding shotgun. And if your on a long drive and can barely stay awake, don't be ashamed to pull off in a parking lot and rest. I've had too many friends wreck because they fell asleep, and NEVER EVER under any circumstances drive while intoxicated no matter the amount!

Tornadoes; these boogers scare me! Leaving absolute destruction in their path and long term power outages for many. Some of are fellow forum members have experienced these all to recently, and everyone in a area prone to tornadoes should have a weather alarm. Many people have been killed by tornadoes while they were asleep since warning did not reach them.

Long term power outage; whether it's due to ice, tornadoes, or EMP's lol My roommate and I have enough food to last us more than a month in our dorm room lol and our room is small enough if it's winter two peoples body heat keeps them room at a balmy 65 degrees or more (Most of the winter we had our window open to try and keep it cool in the room lol) I've got at least 10 ways to make fire to cook our food in our dorm room (outside of course lol) And if you light candles when the power goes out, place the wisely! The last thing you want is a massive bonfire on your hands... (in case of bonfire keep fresh marshmallows and roasting sticks in the barn)

Getting mugged; Purdue has a very low crime rate, but it is still a lot bigger of a place than I'm used to and there have been a few assaults but nothing much. So the thought is lodged somewhere in the back of mind. So I always have a knife that fits into college rules on my person. Although I would like to get some training on how to better use it so it's not taken away from me and used against me. But I'm still fairly confident that it would make somebody think twice...

That's just my 2 cents....

[Rick]

Sparky, that's a pretty darn good plan. Why not pick up a smoke detector and put in your room as well as a carbon monoxide detector? Check with the school of course and make certain they are legal but if you can place them in your room you'll have some backup warning for little money.

A couple of other things you might consider.

Winter blizzard, extreme cold - We haven't been bothered too much by this the last couple of years but I65 has been closed in a couple of sections on many occasions between here and Lafayette. It's pretty open country up through there and the interstate drifts closed faster than they can clear it. Just make certain if you have to stay over while school is closed/holiday that you can stay warm in your room.

Terrorism - An unlikely threat at best but Purdue is a well known school. At least have some plans laid down as to where you would go. This includes on campus shootings. I'm sure Purdue has a plan in place. Familiarize yourself with it and always know where the exits are no matter what building you're in.

Earthquake - Athough another fairly unlikely event, there is a relatively unknown seismic region in your area called the Royal Center Fault Line. It is northeast of Lafayette about 50 files.

That knife is up close and personal. The one thing you can depend on in a knife fight is you are going to get cut. It's just a question of how bad. If the school will allow Mace on campus, and I would think they would, that might be a better first line of defense. You can still have the knife but the Mace would at least provide some distant between you and an assailant regardless of their intent.

[Wildthang]

Sparky, be sure and keep a good flashlight with extra batteries, my dorm had emergency lights and most of them didn't work. When the power went out, it was a black maze trying to get around, and most of my dorm mates were trying to manuver with gigarette lighters. Also a few candles would work as well!

[Sparky93]

Sparky, be sure and keep a good flashlight with extra batteries, my dorm had emergency lights and most of them didn't work. When the power went out, it was a black maze trying to get around, and most of my dorm mates were trying to manuver with gigarette lighters. Also a few candles would work as well!

We got flashlights and enough batteries to last me 2 years lol You have no idea the amount of stuff I've packed into this over glorified closet lol I didn't list everything I had cause it would have took me forever LMAO But a good reminder anyhow, we actually had the power go out for about 4 hours a couple weeks ago because the sub station off campus caught on fire. I was surprised to got power on as quick as they did though, back home a cricket farts and the power is out all night lol

[Sparky93]

Sparky, that's a pretty darn good plan. Why not pick up a smoke detector and put in your room as well as a carbon monoxide detector? Check with the school of course and make certain they are legal but if you can place them in your room you'll have some backup warning for little money.

A couple of other things you might consider.

Winter blizzard, extreme cold - We haven't been bothered too much by this the last couple of years but I65 have been closed in a couple of sections on many occasions between here and Lafayette. It's pretty open country up through there and the interstate drifts closed faster than they can clear it. Just make certain if you have to stay over while school is closed/holiday that you can stay warm in your room.

Terrorism - An unlikely threat at best but Purdue is a well known school. At least have some plans laid down as to where you would go. This includes on campus shootings. I'm sure Purdue has a plan in place. Familiarize yourself with it and always know where the exits are no matter what building you're in.

Earthquake - Another fairly unlikely event, there is a relatively unknown seismic region in your area called the Royal Center Fault Line. It northeast of Lafayette about 50 files.

That knife is up close and personal. The one thing you can depend on in a knife fight is you are going to get cut. It's just a question of how bad. If the school will allow Mace on campus, and I would think they would, that might be a better first line of defense. You can still have the knife but the Mace would be provide some distant between you and an assailant regardless of their intent.

Great additions Rick, it might not be bad to look into getting some back up detectors cause I sleep like a rock lol I'm really not worried about getting mugged, it's just that little thing in the back of my mind. Having something on me (being my knife, which I think my new one just came in the mail so I'm going to go get it here after I get done typing...) just gives me that little piece of mind, kind of like when I'm out in the woods after dark I like to have my rifle even though the greatest threat that might be out there is a psycho squirrel that wants to gnaw on my face while I sleep lol

[JPGreco]

Sparky, and everyone else I guess, always make sure you have beer on hand. In college we lost power once and had to drink all the beer before it got warm. Another time we had like a foot of snow and the only place open was the distributor. Got the SUV dug out and made a beer run for like 20 people.

[Sparky93]

sparky, and everyone else i guess, always make sure you have beer on hand. In college we lost power once and had to drink all the beer before it got warm. Another time we had like a foot of snow and the only place open was the distributor. Got the suv dug out and made a beer run for like 20 people.

lmao!!!!.....

[Allen Currie Author]

Looking back over previous posts on this thread

I have two woodstoves, a smaller one for cooking and a larger one for winter heating. One thing I really like is those fans that sit on top of the stove and operate on heat differential. Stirling engines I think they're called. You can take the fan off and attach a very small water pump to keep your outside tank of water circulating into the warm so it won't freeze in winter. I have set up a radiator behind the stove to pick up more heat. Theorectically this should work by temperature differential, but I haven't found a way to get enough volume moving to satisfy me without assistance. Maybe a very small motor and a small solar and battery system. Don't need a lot of power, just a bit of a helper.

In winter this won't work where I am, but gravity showers are great in summer. Paint a 55 gallon steel container black so it will absorb heat from the sun too. Take the radiator from the back of an old fridge or two and repaint black. Place in a black box(I put glass over mine.) Place unit in direct sunlight. Run your water pipe from the ends of the fridge radiator pipes into two levels of your barrel. The temprerature can get into the high 100's F theoretically at least. I guess I shower too much, but it is nice.

I have a 1200w genset but I have never taken it out of its box in three years. In isolation it is far too noisy. You can hear it for miles. I will use it for my angle grinder while cutting sheet metal which is also noisy. I have picked up a solar panel to try this year to keep me on the internet. I can hopefully rig a high antennae (not directly connected) to pick up and pipe down the signal. I suppose one could also use ones cell phone too. (I don't have one.) Otherwise my internetting is going to be limited to MacDonalds wifi and libraries.

Allen

[Rick]

Pictures of that would be great. I'd like to see how you have it set up.

[Allen Currie Author]

Rick
No camera

All The greek officially recognized debt per capita is/was $38,937
The US officially recognized debt per capita is, well the figures have grown, but $44,215. However the government auditors are refusing to sign the books becauise they are totally misleading. Nuff said.

I see this as a harbringer of things to come

Elderly Greek Kills Himself in Main Athens Square
________________________________________
A Greek retiree shot himself dead in the busiest public square in Athens during morning rush hour Wednesday, leaving a note police said linked his suicide with the country's acute financial woes.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46955745

Daily Proto Thema exclusively published the shattering hand-note of D. Ch.:

“The occupation government of Tsolakoglou* literally annihilated any possibility for my survival that was depended on a decent pension which only I personally paid for 35 years (without any state support).

Because my age does not give me the possibility for a dynamic reaction (without meaning that if a Greek would grab the kalashnikov, I wouldn’t be the second one [to grab one], I see no other solution than the decent end before I start searching in the garbage for food.

I believe that one day the youth without future will take the arms and hang upside down at Syntagma Square the national traitors as the Italians did with Mussolini in 1945 Piazza Poreto in Milan)”

[Rick]

National Traitors? interesting choice of words. Then let's start with all those citizens that didn't utter a single word when they were given the fat of the lamb. Why not write about the fact that since Greece became a democracy they've spent huge sums of money on social reforms, 2/3 of that going toward pensions! It's a welfare state and now it's time to pay the piper. Plain and simple. I view this one act of desperation no differently than I do the captain in the Gulf that killed himself over the BP oil spill. Seems like a careless, unnecessary act today now doesn't it?

[Allen Currie Author]

Rick
I don't think that I posted that because of its international significance per se. However I think most people have no sense whatsoever of how much the people in Greece are suffering, and if they don't get this sense they will be badly mauled when it happens in the US. And it WILL happen in the US.

It is true that the Greek tragedy was brought on by themselves by foolish government spending and attitude. But then isn't the US standing on the edge of a precipice brought on by foolish government spending and attitude? There is a saying in investment circles which I am sure you understand. "A rising tide raises all boats." meaning it is easy to make money in bull markets. Because the general trend was up, politicians congratulated themselves and their own brilliance in managing. In truth they were totally incompetant. And Greece is only the canary in the mine.

[kyratshooter]

Quite the jump from gen-sets and solar power to political/economic debate without any transitional-trigger post!

What you are stating is not even a hint at a senerio, simply a criticizim of government, and something we can do little about individually until the next voting cycle.

Or are you suggesting the violent overthrow of OUR government from your rebel headquarters in "Northern Ontario" as an alternative to mass suecide by the pensioners.

[Winnie]

Words fail me. I'm going back to my painting.... maybe it's the fumes, but my head hurts.

[Wildthang]

This thread makes me want to go get drunk:smartass:

[hunter63]

Hummmmm, So like whats the deal.....?

[intothenew]

I'm with Winnie. I'm gonna go post some flower pics.

[Rick]

This is all too common. When things are on the upswing they post .... nothing, nada. Where is the post on lower unemployment? Decreased inventories? A stock market that is above 13,000? Improved retail sales? Consumer spending being up? But let a burp fall on the radar screen and the sky is falling. You are afraid of your own fears, Allen. You write about it because it somehow makes you feel better.

Here's a fact for you. Even if the world spiraled into a depression tomorrow it would just be the sixth that we'd have to recover from. Sorta been there, done that. We'd recover from it just like we're recovering from this recession. Incidently, I've been saying this to naysayers since 2008 even in the darkest hours when things looked a heck of lot worse than they do now and all the naysayers told me I was nuts. Well? That was 4 years ago and it hasn't happened yet. And I sure didn't need a crystal ball to make the prediction. Just common sense.

You can wish for economic upheaval all you want or predict all you want. Folks will do what they have always done from day one whether it happens or not. Put one foot in front of the other and hope the biggest, baddest, fastest animal on the Savanna is you lest you wind up dinner.

ITN - Do you need some help with those flowers? This is pretty annoying and pretty repetitive.

[intothenew]

..........ITN - Do you need some help with those flowers?..........


I'm glad you ask, yes. I have disciplined myself, and only myself, to "no prose" in that thread. I had hoped others would join in with their own pics. That is, those that have a camera. ;-) Post em' if ya got em'.

[Rick]

And one more thing while I'm at it......

I genuinely resent a foreigner telling me how bad the United States of America is. You haven't earned the right to tell me anything about our government, our politicians or anything else that goes on inside its borders. We have men and women buried on foreign soil around the world. We give billions in aid to the world every year. You get to sit in your McDonald's and use their wifi in relative safety, in large part because the U.S. projects the size of muscle it does and the world knows if they did anything to Canada the U.S. will be there kicking azz and taking names right along side Canadian forces. So when you refer to MY country please do so with a modicum of respect and appreciation. Thank you. That is all. Carry on.

[Allen Currie Author]

Well, If I came across as American bashing, I do Apologize. The fact of the matter is that the US ius so significant that nothing else matters. Canada and every major country has the same disease. Japan is among the walking dead. Europe is a shambles.

Allen

[hunter63]

What Rick said....Plus 1....I'm done.

[kyratshooter]

Wish I could have seen Rick while he was doing that post.

I'll bet he nearly blew up his blood preassure cuff! Had that vein in his neck thumping and all.

[Rick]

Don't forget the eye twitch and the drool. I almost got the hump on my back to flatten out!

[Sparky93]

I just wanted to add, this is why you don't F*** with America! Flex some American muscle, and show why America is still number one!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxu9zWJpx6g

My prayers go out to all those serving our country!

(Also after me, the video is not my editing. All credit goes here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBMUcBrmkL0&feature=bf_next&list=HL1333678618&lf=mh_lolz)

[crashdive123]

We used to have a fellow on here that was also Canadian. I really liked him, but alas he is no longer around. Anyway........He made a prediction in 2008 that the United States, and then the entire world would fall into total collapse at levels that the world has never seen. It would make the great depression look like a walk in the park. He knew this because he had been studying this all his life. He knew this because his sources were impeccable. He new this because everybody that disagreed with him simply had their head in the sand.

So I asked him.....since he was so sure, and his convictions were so strong that we would be living out some apocalyptic scenario where it sounded as though dog food would be a luxury.....and it was going to happen by October of 2008......if it didn't happen by his timeline........should I consider all of his ramblings and grumblings to be total BS. He responded that I should since he was that sure of himself. Well, I still haven't succumbed to eating dog food.

Do I have concerns? Yes. Do I believe there is a way to avoid it? Yes.

I really do miss BraggSurvivor.

[Sparky93]

I may have succumbed to eating dog food once... but that is a hole other story.... I was hungry, give me a break....

[Rick]

Been there done that. I was standing in a dark kitchen once many years ago nibbling on jerky. My wife, always concerned about my well being, asked what I was doing. I told her I was eating jerky. She informed me they were dog treats. The jerky was good but the dog didn't speak to me for a couple of days.

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