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vahtryn
03-03-2012, 08:27 AM
Out west we managed to acquire more calibers than you could count. It was absolutely retarded at one point. With that in mind it was decided to lower the number of different types of ammo that needed to be purchased in quantity. So a bunch of things have disappeared.
Down to just a few these days. I'm hoping I can trade a 1903 30-06 for a mosin-nagant m38 this weekend at the gun show. That'd be great since there's about 1000 rounds of 7.62x54r in the house and replenishing that is cheap compared to 30-06. Only down to one box of that.
I think I'm gonna take Rick's advice to get rid of my ps32 and go with the pf9 since the room mate's hand gun is a .9mm. I like the subcompact for personal carry but when I'm out in the woods I'll always take the 1911, and that is my home defense hand gun.
One can never go wrong with .22lr so both of us have ruger 10/22s, they do the trick, easy to mod for what you need it to do and not all that difficult to maintain for a semi-auto .22. That takes care of small and large game rifle wise, who needs more?
I know a lot of people in this whole "prepper" thing seem to go after battle rifles. I personally don't really want one but if I were to get one I'd get an ak since surplus ammo is cheap and the damn things can fire dirty as hell if need be. Not to mention the price is retardly lower than going the AR route. For now I will hold onto my friend's m1 carbine since I know it has sentimental value to him even though he had to trade it to me to pay for rent back west.
For shot guns can't go wrong with an 870. Just leave it at that.
The final weapon to go down to in just **** to buy but be useful is I do want to get a good flint lock .50 cal muzzle loader. I want to go the flint route rather than the cap route as you can find flint where as one day you may never be able to find caps.
For the more silent of shooters I'm in a toss up between a smaller bow (they're expensive but I always choose carbines over full length barrels) or getting a 40lb draw wrist rocket/sling bow. The latter is smaller and cheaper, though more expensive than a sling shot.
Does sound like a lot of weapons, and having two of each kind in the house, but in reality stocking up on ammo gets really expensive after awhile. 30 carbine is my most expensive route at the moment since I'm not planning on getting any more 30-06 and I have about 2k rounds of that just for shooting fun. The other expensive thing when it comes to owning guns a lot of people don't pick up on are magazine costs. A 10 round mag for that p32 is like 30 bucks, f' that. I'd rather swap out calibers for the money I'd get selling the p32 and get a pf9 with two mags and call it even.
What's your thoughts on the calibers of weapons in your home?
hunter63
03-03-2012, 01:09 PM
Been down that road with good intentions many times......Just decided not to try to fight it anymore, and go with the flow......
vahtryn
03-03-2012, 01:47 PM
Well went with a mossberg instead of the 870 because I got a better deal on the at the gun show today. I love how it comes with a wooden dowel in order to restrict myself to one in the chamber and two in the tube.
Since I went with the mossberg I'm highly considering getting the black powder barrel for it to take care of my muzzle loading needs.
hunter63
03-03-2012, 01:58 PM
That is a great idea if a muzzleloader is what you want to add.....still takes 209 primers, though.
http://www.mossberg.com/content.asp?id=521
natertot
03-03-2012, 02:55 PM
You didn't get rid of the 30-06, did you? I ask because your logic in the OP doesn't make too much sense to me. A mosin can be had for $80 outright. Just buy one and keep the 30-06 in the back corner of the safe. If the SHTF, 30-06 is popular enough that you would stumble across it if you didn't store any ammo for it.
Just my .02 and don't mean any offense.
kyratshooter
03-03-2012, 03:53 PM
You have missed the whole point V.
The trick is not "more of less", it is "more of more"!
If you have one of everything you will never run across ammo you can not use!
To each his own but I be dogone if I would trade a 03 rifle in 30-06 for a Mosin! CMP still sells surplus 06 ammo by the case and the 03 will eat Mosins for lunch. And yes, I have a Mosin and like it. I just like 03 rifles and the 30-06 cartridge better.
You have me confused over you silent shooters. I can not tell from your wording what you are actually proposing.
I do not know about anyone else but your rationale, though it may make sense to you, is slightly scary to me.
Wildthang
03-03-2012, 04:51 PM
I keep 2 AR's in .223, and 2 bolt actions in .223, and lot's of .223 ammo. I also have 2 Glock 19's and lot's of 9mm ammo. I like having guns with interchangeable parts and ammo and think it gives you a lot more security that way, after all guns are simply security. To go along with the above, I have 2 .22 rifles and probably 10,000 rounds of .22 ammo.
I have lots of other guns to just fill the safe, but those are my go to guns if the SHTF!
.223 and 9mm ammo isn't as cheap as some of the others, but it's cheap enough that I can stockpile a lot of it and not break the bank.
natertot
03-03-2012, 06:26 PM
+1 Kyrrat!
I see your point wildthing, too. I have stuck with pretty standard calibers/gauges so far myself, although don't have duplicates.....yet.
hunter63
03-03-2012, 07:53 PM
Seems that all my good intentions have come to naught, that there is a conspiracy to expand on ammo calibers, dies, molds, powder bullets, and of course implements to fire that same.
It's not my fault, and I'm not gonna wring my self out, and beat myself up about it any more............OH lookie..... a shiny Thompson sub machine gun....hummmm.45 apc...don't have any of those.......
natertot
03-03-2012, 09:51 PM
Hunter, 7.62x54r is very inexpensive as are the guns that shoot it. So why not spend $500 bucks and have to rifles and two-thousands rounds???
As for everything else, why not have one of every popular caliber? .22lr, .22WMR, 25acp, 32acp, 380auto, 38spcl, 9mm luger, .40, .45acp, .223, .308, 30-06, .410, 20ga and 12ga.
You have at least one of each of these, you will never have an issue finding ammo. It would be safe to assume every gun owner owns at least one of these, therefore, locate a gun owner and you have located ammo you can use.
Looking at my own list, I see a few holes I need to fill!
crashdive123
03-03-2012, 10:04 PM
Oh, I think H63 is pretty well set for what he needs.
kyratshooter
03-03-2012, 11:54 PM
I'll even bet H63 has loading dies for calibers folks under 30 years old never dreamed existed!
PM sent vahtryn.
hunter63
03-04-2012, 11:09 AM
Hunter, 7.62x54r is very inexpensive as are the guns that shoot it. So why not spend $500 bucks and have to rifles and two-thousands rounds???
As for everything else, why not have one of every popular caliber? .22lr, .22WMR, 25acp, 32acp, 380auto, 38spcl, 9mm luger, .40, .45acp, .223, .308, 30-06, .410, 20ga and 12ga.
You have at least one of each of these, you will never have an issue finding ammo. It would be safe to assume every gun owner owns at least one of these, therefore, locate a gun owner and you have located ammo you can use.
Looking at my own list, I see a few holes I need to fill!
Hahahahahah......That looks like the barrel list on the Handi's rifles............Looks like I'm missing the .25 apc.
Thank you for your concern....everyone need a goal.......
The problem with owning multiple calibers is it's just too darn many to cart to the range. When I open the door on the safe it goes something like....
"I guess I'll take that with me. Oh, and that one. I haven't shot that one in a while. Oh, I forgot I had that.It needs to go. Hey, that one's a lot of fun......
By the time I get the weapons loaded and all the ammunition, targets, tools, etc. it's usually dark.
crashdive123
03-04-2012, 11:43 AM
.......or the canoe tipped over.
So that was the problem. Too much weight? Who knew? If I buy any replacements I'll have to keep that in mind. These days I rely on strong suggestions for home defense.
Wildthang
03-04-2012, 01:24 PM
I will admit, I want a .50 BMG really bad, and why, just because!
natertot
03-04-2012, 01:31 PM
Good stuff guys.
I like the Handi Rifle idea to a point hunter. My only concern would be that all the barrels rely on one receiver. In a shtf scenario and that receiver or its components failed, you wouldn't be out of one gun, but 2,3,4,5, or however many barrels you own. Once I get the "popular" stuff taken care of, I wouldn't mind a handi rifle for the notso "popular" stuff. I was thinking .243, .270, and others. Maybe a few barrels of the popular stuff to back up the others, IE AR-15 is down and I have a few thousand rounds of .223, use the handi rifle until AR gets fixed.
Just a few thoughts as I continue thinking the "collection" through.
hunter63
03-04-2012, 02:05 PM
Obviously the answer is "more than one Handi Rifle"....Which sounds odd to some people.
Then you find out about their 3- .45's, 6-12 ga's and 5 lever action 30-30's.......Or a half dozen Nagants....LOL
SARKY
03-04-2012, 02:20 PM
I break it down to working calibers and then the fun and interesting calibers. My working calibers are .308, .223, .22LR, 38/.357, 9mm, 7.62x39 and .45acp. Fun/interesting calibers 9mm Mag, 7.62x25, .256win Mag, 38-40, .40s&w, .380, 38Casull, 9x25Dillion, 6.5Grendel, 7.62x40WT, .41Mag, and .44Mag. There are others as well and this is doesn't mean that the working calibers aren't fun.
Why didn't you just post, "all of them"?
2dumb2kwit
03-05-2012, 08:06 AM
Hunter, 7.62x54r is very inexpensive as are the guns that shoot it. So why not spend $500 bucks and have to rifles and two-thousands rounds???
As for everything else, why not have one of every popular caliber? .22lr, .22WMR, 25acp, 32acp, 380auto, 38spcl, 9mm luger, .40, .45acp, .223, .308, 30-06, .410, 20ga and 12ga.
You have at least one of each of these, you will never have an issue finding ammo. It would be safe to assume every gun owner owns at least one of these, therefore, locate a gun owner and you have located ammo you can use.
Looking at my own list, I see a few holes I need to fill!
If you're gonna get someone elses ammo, why not just get their gun that goes with it? LOL
kyratshooter
03-05-2012, 12:28 PM
Hunter, 7.62x54r is very inexpensive as are the guns that shoot it. So why not spend $500 bucks and have to rifles and two-thousands rounds???
As for everything else, why not have one of every popular caliber? .22lr, .22WMR, 25acp, 32acp, 380auto, 38spcl, 9mm luger, .40, .45acp, .223, .308, 30-06, .410, 20ga and 12ga.
You have at least one of each of these, you will never have an issue finding ammo. It would be safe to assume every gun owner owns at least one of these, therefore, locate a gun owner and you have located ammo you can use.
Looking at my own list, I see a few holes I need to fill!
If you are trading for ammo I don't have anything you could use!
If I get into a trade for ammo I only need to buy or trade for one round. The rest is mine as an inheritance. Or the other guys' inheritance if you are trading with him. You should not reveal the presence of weapons and ammo now and most definately when people are willing to kill for it. One round exchanged in trade and the next day there is a boom and you are dead in the outhouse.
You trade food, tools, knives, matches, lighters horses, mules and unrully children, but.....
You NEVER trade ammo.
Why not give Jason another butcher knife or Freddy Krueger a new glove?
There is also the point that folks tend to stock up for fighting a war and not staying alive. 20 rounds of centerfire ammo SHOULD keep a person alive for a year harvesting one deer every two-three weeks. It will be gone in 5 seconds in a firefight. 1,000 rounds of .22 SHOULD last nearly 3 years taking one small game critter each day.
A rifle with only 5 rounds is not a worthless piece of junk. It is a tool for procuring 5 more meals or 5 weeks of food, depending on the caliber.
Do we really anticipate using the same calibers as the police and military so you will have an abundant supply? Who really thinks the police or military are going to be handing out ammo? The ones I delt with this weekend viewed every living soul they encountered as a psycho looter even if your ID said the splintered remains you were standing on were your own. The M&P will be stacking your weapons and ammo in the big pile behind them, not handing out more.
If guns are going to be handed out free, and ammo available on every corner why are we buying and storing either one?
I enjoyed the comment about "finding" a gun owner and trading with them. Different mind set north of the big river! Much lower murder rate south of that line of water.
In the past 4 years KY has sold more guns than it has people. That is not counting the ones we already owned. Sometimes I think they have a checkpoint at the border and having a gun in the car is mandatory for entrance into the state. We carry in our cars, we carry on our persons and we have them stacked behind the kitchen door. 99% of our state population owns a firearm, most own more than one. The other 1% has one they borrowed from dad.
You don't "find" a gun owner, eveyone is a gun owner. That means no one is a target/victim or sucker for a bad trade.
You can always tell the preppers. If you ask how much extra ammo they keep they just give you a blank stare.
natertot
03-05-2012, 01:00 PM
Yeah, um, hmm.....I don't know where you got "trading" at Kyrat. If there is a huge catastrophe with a high dead toll or I'm passing through an area where I need to scavange, chances are I'll come across ammo. If I have a boomstick that will use that ammo, I can pick it up. If I don't it is worthless unless the gun is with it like 2Dumb mentioned. In that case, heck yeah I'd grab the gun too.
kyratshooter
03-05-2012, 03:04 PM
Yeah, um, hmm.....I don't know where you got "trading" at Kyrat. If there is a huge catastrophe with a high dead toll or I'm passing through an area where I need to scavange, chances are I'll come across ammo. If I have a boomstick that will use that ammo, I can pick it up. If I don't it is worthless unless the gun is with it like 2Dumb mentioned. In that case, heck yeah I'd grab the gun too.
Passing through an area with a high death toll from what?
If it is anything but disease or radiation there are going to be law enforcement, national guard or military all over the place shooting "scavengers" for sport.
If it is disease or radiation you are going to be as dead as the folks you are scavenging.
If there is a chance for scavenging nothing is useless. Any .30 cartridge will provide a slug, powder and primer for loading the .30 caliber you do have. Any .380/9mm/.38spl/.38 super can be used directly or the componants pulled and used in a .357mag pistol. Even if you find an off caliber rifle round you can still salvage the powder and primer for use in the rifle you have.
It does not take a lot of tooling to reload, just some knowledge, and now is the time to get it.
Perhaps we need another sticky on the firearms section in addition to field stripping an AR15? Something on the lines of which calibers have bullet diameters/powder charges in common. How to build an emergency squib load or what pistol/shotshell cartridges fit what size seamless gas pipe might be a survival help also.
hunter63
03-05-2012, 03:19 PM
I don't think this is a good idea......Any information that doesn't come from a published re-loading manual, by a major manufacture of shooting componants is not to be trusted.....i.e. Interweb.
Safety first.
kyratshooter
03-05-2012, 04:24 PM
I have a dozen different "published re-loading manuals" from several sources.
Max loads vary by up to 5 grains. Starting loads vary up to 10 grains. It all depends on the year the manual was published. Many of the military loads/velocities/preasure curves are almost identical and overlap in the loading manuals to the point that standard loads in many calibers are interchangable.
Many of my squib loads are taken from ancient Gun Digest articles. They used to be big on indoor shooting with reduced charges. I also have some old Lyman data for low velocity lead bullet loads that erased my fear of reduced charges as long as the slug gets out the end of the tube.
But I must agree that there are some real goofballs at every shooting range. I hear some really strange arguments and see some things that make me pack up and leave early. I am sure there are some folks that would read the sticky and decide they could use anything in anything else.
Perhaps we should post the information with an IQ test before viewing the thread!
And there is the situation where the fewer that know everything I know the less competition for rescources will be in effect after the full and total collapse into the comming dark ages......bla, bla, bla, bla....
At least for the first six months until the meds run out. Anybody know how to make Metoprolol or Statins on a Coleman stove from stuff under the sink?
Anybody know how to make Metoprolol or Statins on a Coleman stove from stuff under the sink?
I think there's an app for that.
hunter63
03-05-2012, 05:03 PM
Yeah, well that's kinda why why I'd stay away from posting stuff like that in an open forum....PM are different.
It's not real difficult to understand that bullets go by diameter, then configuration, material and design......But I'm sure you have heard, "I need bullets for a 30-06'....and the gun behind the counter hands the guy a box of .308 dia bullets.....Then he says, "No I said 30-06, not .308".......
I can't even imagine some one trying to determine what type of powder goes where and why........Unless they study a bit anyway.....Heck, I don't know why powders vary as they do..much of the time.
So till then, it's "Stay between the lines...The lines are our friends".
IMHO
natertot
03-05-2012, 05:18 PM
I don't think this is a good idea......Any information that doesn't come from a published re-loading manual, by a major manufacture of shooting componants is not to be trusted.....i.e. Interweb.
Safety first.
+1 hunter!
natertot
03-05-2012, 05:27 PM
Passing through an area with a high death toll from what?
If it is anything but disease or radiation there are going to be law enforcement, national guard or military all over the place shooting "scavengers" for sport.
Hmmm, well, let's see. During and immediately after Katrina the police abandoned the city. In central Iowa, Flood of 1993, water cut the police off from being able to effectively reach certain areas of the city. One area went nearly a week without receiving pottable water.
When things get way hairy, police won't be there for anything because they will be tending their own families. National Guard can take days before arrival.
hunter63
03-05-2012, 06:02 PM
I see the logic in the orginal post.......keep it simple.....but just doesn't seem like it works for me....stuff just shows up????
I would not get rid of a 30-06 for a Nagant .....even though the ammo is cheaper at the moment...for surplus stuff, that could dry up at any time or increase in cost.
Most surplus stuff 7.62X454r are non re-loadable, (unless you really want to work at it), but not a round I would bepend on if shipping, and other means of supply should happen to get cut off.
I would suggest a muzzleloader flint lock as a 'keep shooting after everything falls silent" part of your package....
crashdive123
03-05-2012, 06:35 PM
Hmmm, well, let's see. During and immediately after Katrina the police abandoned the city. In central Iowa, Flood of 1993, water cut the police off from being able to effectively reach certain areas of the city. One area went nearly a week without receiving pottable water.
When things get way hairy, police won't be there for anything because they will be tending their own families. National Guard can take days before arrival.
I feel a bit of a need to defend first responders. In New Orleans, following Katrina, 45 officers (out of about 1400) and 6 civilians were fired for abandoning their post. That means that about 1350 police officers were still on the job. It has been my experience that most first responders and military personnel will continue to do their job in the face of adversity.
That being said......everybody needs to take personal responsibility to protect themselves.
natertot
03-05-2012, 06:57 PM
Crash, I haven't reviewed the consequences the first responders faced. Still, some did abandon post and in situations they are human. They can get hurt, killed, captured, or get cut off from an area or supply. Like you said, "everyone needs to take personal responsibility to protect themselves". For me, anything beyond that just makes life a little bit easier!
allcavalry
03-06-2012, 12:03 AM
i aggree with natertot, keep the ott six, very common
allcavalry
03-06-2012, 12:15 AM
The problem with Katrina was the fact that they "improsoned" folks in that dome and would not let them leave , effectively creating a prison camp, unconstitutional in my book, I am and always will be an OATHKEEPER...
I'd like to see your source on that.
natertot
03-06-2012, 01:53 PM
AC is right on the Rick. They wouldn't let the persons leave for days in fear the people would go and get themselves killed or in another situation. Once they could evac the people to a safe place a small distance from the city, they did. No one was allowed to leave until a "safe evac" could be conducted.
kyratshooter
03-07-2012, 04:12 PM
Why do we need "sources" for something we lived through and saw on the news reports less than 7 years ago? Some of us have not smoked so much dope we can not pay attention and we still have a fragment of our long term memory intact!
Back to the main theme.
When does one cross the line of too many calibers?
Is more than one too many? How about two, three? Does .22lr count into the mix? Do we count our "main rifle" plus others.
Has anyone even checked to see what the top two or three are, and are they what you thought they were? Does your lineup include them. Does it need to be in your lineup even if you dislike that caliber?
natertot
03-08-2012, 12:31 AM
Why do we need "sources" for something we lived through and saw on the news reports less than 7 years ago? Some of us have not smoked so much dope we can not pay attention and we still have a fragment of our long term memory intact!
Back to the main theme.
When does one cross the line of too many calibers?
Is more than one too many? How about two, three? Does .22lr count into the mix? Do we count our "main rifle" plus others.
Has anyone even checked to see what the top two or three are, and are they what you thought they were? Does your lineup include them. Does it need to be in your lineup even if you dislike that caliber?
I always think I have enough, then I go to the gun show and see a new one that ends up coming home. Does it ever end for me? Nope. I am okay with that.
Actually, because I've never read that they were locked in and would like to research it. I've done a couple of google foos on his post and since he posted and haven't seen anything along those lines. At least not from a reputable resource. I have seen that a guardsman was shot at the dome, which I hadn't read before. As to smoking dope, I tried it once but found that once you get the pills ground up it's hard to keep them lit.
crashdive123
03-08-2012, 10:00 AM
The only real info (reputable info) that I could find about being "locked in the dome" was that there was just no place to go. Many "felt" trapped, including some LEO's because until the waters receded and additional resources arrived there was just no place to go.
hunter63
03-08-2012, 12:29 PM
So just what in the heck does being 'locked in the dome" have to do with calibers you keep?
If everyone had 7,62 x54r they wouldn't be flooded?..... What?
Come on guys??????
SARKY
03-08-2012, 12:43 PM
Since we tend to talk about things like bugging in and bugging out ( they aren't mutually exclusive) I guess you have to also take into consideration just how much "X" number of rounds weighs as your bug in location may become untenable. Will you be able to leave with enough ammo to defend your self? Caliber matters not only in knock down power but also how much you can carry!
natertot
03-08-2012, 01:46 PM
So just what in the heck does being 'locked in the dome" have to do with calibers you keep?
If everyone had 7,62 x54r they wouldn't be flooded?..... What?
Come on guys??????
Might still be flooded, but you can use the buttstock as an oar!!!:p
Wildthang
03-08-2012, 02:45 PM
Well I have an old saying on guns and calibers in a SHTF situation. The best gun you can possibly have is the one in your hand that is loaded! You will be much more confortable than the guy running around with nothing but a baseball bat!
Willie
03-08-2012, 02:56 PM
I tend to like some cal. more than others so I have multi guns with the same cal. 22, 38/357, 40 S&W, 270 ,308 and some old 98 Mausers that I picked up for cheap with 500+ rds.of 8mm.Oh and a M N in 7.62X54 I bought from someone needing cash. Not a big fan of 45, 9mm.
Daniel Nighteyes
03-08-2012, 05:46 PM
I would suggest a muzzleloader flint lock as a 'keep shooting after everything falls silent" part of your package....
For me, that is covered by a pair of plain-and-simple bows with two-each replacement strings and about 100 arrows; a Wrist-Rocket slingshot with a set of replacement bands and a bunch of ammo (ball-bearings, marbles, and etc). All are silent and, with a bit of practice, entirely effective.
-- Nighteyes
Daniel Nighteyes
03-08-2012, 06:00 PM
Now, as to calibers in the house, I have "standardized" on 12-gauge, .22LR (pistol and rifle), .38/357 (pistol and rifle), 9mm, .45acp, .223/5.56 NATO and .308/7.62 NATO. I also have a very-well-preserved '03-A3 in the back of the safe.
In addition, I have an early-1945 USGI Winchester M-1 carbine and a fair amount of fodder for it, simply because I like it for general-purpose, close-in applications. (If only I could find a double-action handgun -- either revolver or semi-auto -- that I trusted enough to pair with it...)
Daniel Nighteyes
03-09-2012, 01:12 PM
The only real info (reputable info) that I could find about being "locked in the dome" was that there was just no place to go. Many "felt" trapped, including some LEO's because until the waters receded and additional resources arrived there was just no place to go.
I agree. I know downtown New Orleans pretty well. The Superdome is built on slightly higher ground than the surrounding area. The satellite photos from the days following Katrina clearly show the 'Dome as an island, completely surrounded by fairly deep water. It remained that way for a long time. There was no place to go, and no viable way to get there.
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As to why we need to look things up rather than relying on what we witnessed (via the media), let me explain by using another Gulf Coast hurricane with which I had direct, personal experience. Hurricane Frederic, in 1979, hit Mobile County Alabama head-on, coming ashore with 145mph+ winds. The "+" refers to the fact that, when the winds reached 145 mph, the wind-measuring device on the coast was literally blown away.
I was Vice Chairman of Disaster Services for the Mobile County American Red Cross, a volunteer position. My post was in the Civil Defense EOC, and my job was to coordinate our operations with Civil Defense, law enforcement, and so forth. Therefore, I had a ring-side seat from about 10 hours before Frederic hit all the way through the storm (approx. 30 hours). I also had a ring-side seat during many 12-hour periods of the recovery.
Several weeks later, some of my in-laws from Indiana showed me the national news coverage that they had taped on their VCR. From the coverage one got the clear idea that Mobile was being flooded and torn apart, and that people were dying left and right. The truths of the matter were:
(a) The path Frederic took caused its winds to force water OUT of Mobile Bay into the Gulf of Mexico, leaving plenty of room for the torrential rain to drain into the Bay. Therefore, Frederic was a "dry" storm.
(b) While wind damage was severe, it wasn't nearly as bad as the national news made it out to be.
(c) There was only one storm-related death in Mobile County; an infant was killed because its parents tried to ride out the storm in their mobile home, and the wind flipped it over.
It is only some time after such a major incident, when everything has essentially returned to a semblance of normal, that the facts become known. If we rely only on those things that come out during and immediately after the incident, our understanding is inaccurate and distorted.
Regards,
-- Nighteyes
From what I had gathered the Dome was only utilized from the time Katrina hit (August 29) until Sept. 4. By 9-4 everyone had been evacuated. That's not a long time considering how long it took to get the National Guard into New Orleans and when the evacuation of the Dome began (9-20. So I'm still hard pressed to believe folks were locked in and if they were it could not have been for more than a day or two.
DN - Having worked a few tornadoes I know first hand how tough it is to receive good intelligence on the ground. By the time it makes its way through 2 or 3 people and delivered to the media it's generally changed from the original message. And information can change from minute to minute because things on the ground can change that quickly.
hunter63
03-09-2012, 02:17 PM
Actually if I look at "Regular working calibers"..... to me that means hunting.
.270 reg white tail. deer blind hunting
.7mm mag. reg white tail, open country
.300 wsm Mule deer, antelope, elk...out west.
.22 lr small game.
12 ga bird hunting
20ga bird hunting /slugs
Home defense,
12 ga
.223
9mm
.38/.357
Fun
.22's
.38's/357
9mm
.44 mag
7'62 X54, 7.62X 39,
BP .50 cal mostly
Lots of options on other safe queens, inherited, won in raffles, good deals, out & out toys and other odd 'stuff'
So all in all, pretty streamed-lined.....
Daniel Nighteyes
03-10-2012, 03:40 PM
DN - Having worked a few tornadoes I know first hand how tough it is to receive good intelligence on the ground. By the time it makes its way through 2 or 3 people and delivered to the media it's generally changed from the original message. And information can change from minute to minute because things on the ground can change that quickly.
We are in agreement. I was actually addressing a much earlier comment by another poster.
kyratshooter
03-10-2012, 03:42 PM
Hunter, did you ever find yourself sitting in a blind and suddenly wondering "Why did I bring this one?"
I had that happen a while back in a close woods situation. When twilight hit my stand the sorrounding are was still in bright sunlight and I could not even find the front sight on my "bush gun".
hunter63
03-10-2012, 03:50 PM
LOL, all the time.......Or sit in your blind and realize that the darn thing, 7 mm mag is way too long to switch from window to window, and have no shot?
Yeah, then bring the 'shorter one only to have a nice shot out at 300 yds, and the "shorter one' happens to be a .35 rem that does it's best work at 100 yds, not 300 yds.....
Guess thats why they call it hunting, not shooting.....
Daniel Nighteyes
03-10-2012, 04:09 PM
SARKY[/B];334747]Since we tend to talk about things like bugging in and bugging out ( they aren't mutually exclusive) I guess you have to also take into consideration just how much "X" number of rounds weighs as your bug in location may become untenable. Will you be able to leave with enough ammo to defend your self? Caliber matters not only in knock down power but also how much you can carry!
For a bug-out that is likely to be only for a few days, I may not carry any firearm. If it is likely to be longer, and I can use the roads, my primary ammo is stored in ammo cans, ready to be loaded into my Explorer or other vehicle along with the firearms (handguns, rifles, shotguns).
If we have to depart via bicycle or on foot, we'll be carrying a much smaller supply. .357 to feed two S&W revolvers and a Marlin lever action carbine, and .30 carbine for my trusty ol' M-1 carbine. (Long guns broken down and put inside the backpacks.) Time and weight options permitting, I might also throw in my 9mm SIG, a few magazines, and ammo.
Though I'll be shedding a tear or two as I do so, our 1911s will remain behind -- a decent supply of .45 acp ammo and enough mags is just too heavy to tote. The same is true for my 12-gauge shotguns. Keeping pistols and shotguns company in the safe will be my long(er)-range rifles, because they're not set up to be humped over hill and dale, and through bog and bush -- heavy barrels, weighted stocks, and etc.
The biggest thing is to have thought about and planned for this type of thing in advance.
hunter63
03-10-2012, 04:29 PM
"Deploy your assets".........
Hey! Watch your...oh, you said assets. Never mind.
shiftyer1
03-12-2012, 01:15 AM
If the price suits me and I like it i'll buy it. If I don't like it i'll just leave it sit until I find something else that catches my eye when i'll sell it to buy the next one. There are a few calibers or platforms I like so I tend to search those out. And of course I have children.....I look at it more of something to pass on. If the world comes to an end i'll use what I have and make do.
Whimpy
11-17-2015, 02:18 PM
If you are trading for ammo I don't have anything you could use!
If I get into a trade for ammo I only need to buy or trade for one round. The rest is mine as an inheritance. Or the other guys' inheritance if you are trading with him. You should not reveal the presence of weapons and ammo now and most definately when people are willing to kill for it. One round exchanged in trade and the next day there is a boom and you are dead in the outhouse.
You trade food, tools, knives, matches, lighters horses, mules and unrully children, but.....
You NEVER trade ammo.
Why not give Jason another butcher knife or Freddy Krueger a new glove?
There is also the point that folks tend to stock up for fighting a war and not staying alive. 20 rounds of centerfire ammo SHOULD keep a person alive for a year harvesting one deer every two-three weeks. It will be gone in 5 seconds in a firefight. 1,000 rounds of .22 SHOULD last nearly 3 years taking one small game critter each day.
A rifle with only 5 rounds is not a worthless piece of junk. It is a tool for procuring 5 more meals or 5 weeks of food, depending on the caliber.
Do we really anticipate using the same calibers as the police and military so you will have an abundant supply? Who really thinks the police or military are going to be handing out ammo? The ones I delt with this weekend viewed every living soul they encountered as a psycho looter even if your ID said the splintered remains you were standing on were your own. The M&P will be stacking your weapons and ammo in the big pile behind them, not handing out more.
If guns are going to be handed out free, and ammo available on every corner why are we buying and storing either one?
I enjoyed the comment about "finding" a gun owner and trading with them. Different mind set north of the big river! Much lower murder rate south of that line of water.
In the past 4 years KY has sold more guns than it has people. That is not counting the ones we already owned. Sometimes I think they have a checkpoint at the border and having a gun in the car is mandatory for entrance into the state. We carry in our cars, we carry on our persons and we have them stacked behind the kitchen door. 99% of our state population owns a firearm, most own more than one. The other 1% has one they borrowed from dad.
You don't "find" a gun owner, eveyone is a gun owner. That means no one is a target/victim or sucker for a bad trade.
You can always tell the preppers. If you ask how much extra ammo they keep they just give you a blank stare.
An old Sgt. of mine said he wasn't afraid of the guy with ten guns, he was afraid of the guy who only has one.
I hunt with a muzzleloader and a 10-22, have a 9mm pocket gun for date night and and an issued .45 ACP. I have extra parts and can repair any of them.
I am not looking to fight a war, I would be out gunned anyway, soldiers and gangs rarely come one at a time.
kyratshooter
11-17-2015, 02:38 PM
Man that post was a work of art!
I should write a freekin' book.
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05-26-2026, 04:24 AM
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05-26-2026, 04:25 AM
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