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Mendelssohn
01-28-2012, 01:35 AM
Hello,

I am a 22 year old man from Ontario, Canada and I just registered on this site to seek help. I have been confused for a long time about what to do with myself in the future. I have vague goals but I do not know the best ways to go about achieving them. I have lived in or around the city my entire life, raised with no practical knowledge of the world around me, but my entire life I knew I did not fit into this lifestyle. The most appealing things to me are figures like nomads and hermits. I have been aspiring to have this type of lifestyle for a long time. Unlike many of the people here, though I am interested in survival, it doesn't really matter to me that I am roughing it, in fact, I would prefer to have a lifestyle as easy and safe as possible, even with modern conveniences, if it would conform to my criteria, which is basically to be in a natural setting away from people, and to do this while I am young. I could sacrifice some years at a job to achieve it, if its worth it, or settle for less and do it earlier, as long as I feel confident in my ability to do so safely. You can see I'm very confused about what to do =P.

So I suppose what I am asking is for people to provide me with ideas about how to achieve a somewhat hermetic lifestyle efficiently, in a nice natural setting and with cost always being a factor. I will need suggestions for places to go (anywhere in the world) because I have no idea. Ways to make surviving easier, for someone who's willing to invest a little into it. Or other methods, perhaps places where it's cheap to buy a home in the middle of nowhere. If I am being confusing it's because I know nothing about these things and it seems so open ended. That's why I need help.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Don't be afraid to also think outside the confines of wilderness survival. I need options. Thanks a lot.

-Mendelssohn

shiftyer1
01-28-2012, 02:29 AM
Save up a little money and buy a truck and travel trailer and look for a place to put it. Thats the cheapest and safest way I know to withdraw and still have some modern luxury. It's your choice to use them or not but they are there.

Sourdough
01-28-2012, 03:16 AM
Welcome to the forum..............excuse me for asking, but were you raised with a father........? How does your mother feel about this.....? Yes, I realize you are a young man.......just asking....?

Mischief
01-28-2012, 07:47 AM
Phase 1

Welcome

Start by recording everything you use,fix,eat,drink for a month,including what others do for you, each day.That should give a small idea of what you have now.Then start reducing the list showing what you think you only need Do this at the end of a month.

Then in a month+ we can start on phase 2

Remember everything you do and what is done for you, each day for a month.

gryffynklm
01-28-2012, 09:06 AM
Welcome, do you mind if I call you Felix? Probably the best into from someone just starting who has a passion to get out in the wild. You have found an excellent forum with a good number of folks who do live in the wilds. I'm constantly learning from their experience.

Rick
01-28-2012, 09:33 AM
Unless you know what your goals are no one here can help you achieve them. You can change the ground under you feet but never the sky over your head. No matter where you go you will be there and your thoughts and feelings will be the same. Figure out what you want then work toward it.

kyratshooter
01-28-2012, 09:36 AM
You actually sound like you are approaching this through a very logical process.

First, either work on an education that will support you and provide a surplus or find a good paying job immidiately. Lack of funds it the main obsticle in most outdoorsmens planning. This is espically true of urban raised folk that grow up believing any land not occupied by a dwelling is open territory. It is not. If you do not have land then the mobile housing provided by the before mentioned RV would be a reasonable idea. However, the RV will simply allow you to see what you want to purchase and can not afford as a traveling gipsey.

Live as spartinly as possible as you save money for the purchase of land. In the U.S. I would advise purchase of at least 5 acres due to national zoning restrictions that may or may not be enforced but can always be turned against us as U.S citizens. I do not know about Canada.

As you work and save you will establish your own priorities and find a true comfort level you can deal with daily.

Your land may provide you with a perminent dwelling or it may be in a remote ares that provides you with mental sanctuary on occasion or a retreat to escape the stress of the world.

The ownership of land will give you a base of use and operation. Often land that borders national parks or wildlife management area will expand your usable land infinately. Insure that this is not private land you are bordering. Private land, and much of our public land in the U.S. can be closed to public use without warning.

You can build you home with the luxury level you desire and hopefully have natural areas to roam, study and recreate.

If you strike it rich you can do what our media mogel Ted Truner has done and by the northwestern 1/4 of New Mexico. Then you can do anything you wish.

2dumb2kwit
01-28-2012, 09:43 AM
Education, education, education. I agree with what Krat said, but would add that you can get an education in something that will get you out in the wilderness if you want. (Killing two birds with one stone.)

Having a good education will give you more options. Options are good.
(Yep....learned this the hard way.) LOL

LowKey
01-28-2012, 09:47 AM
You need to really think about what it is you mean by Survival.
You don't want to just 'survive'.
If on the other hand you mean a subsistence lifestyle, that would be different and could mean anything from living up where SD lives and really roughing it through a tough winter to maybe owning a small farm with more readily available store-bought goods.

Check into Mother Earth News for a quick start on some skills you would need to live closer to the land and off the grid.

Pick up a homesteading book or three to see how impractical it is to grow your own fodder for more than a few critters on less than a couple of acres. Such a book will get you thinking about what you might need to live the way you want to.

You might want to pick up a salable skill such as small/large engine repair, tractor repair, hydraulic repair or all of the above. Living without money means you will have to fix your own stuff, but maybe could make a little money fixing other people's stuff.

Living on a farm or in the wild as a hermit, ie ALONE, is a lot of work. If you get sick or injured, you better have supplies laid in for when you're laid up. And who is going to care for your animals. Please don't insist you are going to hunt for all your food. There are very few places left that will support full subsistence off the land.

Sarge47
01-28-2012, 09:59 AM
Unless you know what your goals are no one here can help you achieve them. You can change the ground under you feet but never the sky over your head. No matter where you go you will be there and your thoughts and feelings will be the same. Figure out what you want then work toward it.

Rick speaks the truth. You know what they say, the grass is always greener elsewhere, when in reality it's the same. Many on here are going through the same things that you are going through, so here's a thought that you may not like, but that doesn't make it any less true: You need to "survive" your current situation. In other words, you need to adapt to your life and become a positive influence to yourself first, before anything else. I strongly suggest you check out the Zig Ziglar material on learning how to improve your self-image, setting goals, etc.. Oh yeah, the idea of living like a hermit seems to be a nice, romantic, vision; however, like many on here can attest to, it's a lot of work. First, you HAVE to become self-sufficient right where you're at before you can go anywhere else, otherwise you'll find yourself in the same situation that you're in now. It's called mental preparedness and that's your 1st step, go for it! :cool2:

southard
01-28-2012, 03:03 PM
As far as the nomad option goes trucking is probably the best one out there. You can get on with a company that will train you and you'll have like a 1-2 year committment to cover training . You on your own in a few months making a little money. If you like it great its a fun life with modern conveinance. You can see different regions in all seasons to gauge if you'll want to settle there. You can go hiking, camping, sightseeing. I have my own rig and pick where I wanna go. Right now headin to Billings, MT. Can't go through yellowstone this time of year in the truck but still a fun journey.

Winter
01-28-2012, 03:33 PM
Join the Canadian Army. Ask for Infantry.

Mendelssohn
01-28-2012, 03:45 PM
You need to really think about what it is you mean by Survival.
You don't want to just 'survive'.
If on the other hand you mean a subsistence lifestyle, that would be different and could mean anything from living up where SD lives and really roughing it through a tough winter to maybe owning a small farm with more readily available store-bought goods.

Check into Mother Earth News for a quick start on some skills you would need to live closer to the land and off the grid.

Pick up a homesteading book or three to see how impractical it is to grow your own fodder for more than a few critters on less than a couple of acres. Such a book will get you thinking about what you might need to live the way you want to.

You might want to pick up a salable skill such as small/large engine repair, tractor repair, hydraulic repair or all of the above. Living without money means you will have to fix your own stuff, but maybe could make a little money fixing other people's stuff.

Living on a farm or in the wild as a hermit, ie ALONE, is a lot of work. If you get sick or injured, you better have supplies laid in for when you're laid up. And who is going to care for your animals. Please don't insist you are going to hunt for all your food. There are very few places left that will support full subsistence off the land.


Thanks Low-Key. Like you said, I'm not just looking at survival, I'm looking at all possibilities. I will check out those resources. Are there any books you could recommend on sustainable living?




Rick speaks the truth. You know what they say, the grass is always greener elsewhere, when in reality it's the same. Many on here are going through the same things that you are going through, so here's a thought that you may not like, but that doesn't make it any less true: You need to "survive" your current situation. In other words, you need to adapt to your life and become a positive influence to yourself first, before anything else. I strongly suggest you check out the Zig Ziglar material on learning how to improve your self-image, setting goals, etc.. Oh yeah, the idea of living like a hermit seems to be a nice, romantic, vision; however, like many on here can attest to, it's a lot of work. First, you HAVE to become self-sufficient right where you're at before you can go anywhere else, otherwise you'll find yourself in the same situation that you're in now. It's called mental preparedness and that's your 1st step, go for it!


Sarge, I do agree, however I think you may have misunderstood me. I feel very emotionally strong, prepared, and I am happy where I am. This being said, I do still have goals that I want to achieve, and this post was only about how to best achieve them and not about my mental state. It's good to mention that it's a first step though, and I would agree with you there. I also realize that it's difficult to have a hermetic lifestyle, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't try. Many have achieved it in many different ways and there's no reason why I can't as well.




As far as the nomad option goes trucking is probably the best one out there. You can get on with a company that will train you and you'll have like a 1-2 year committment to cover training . You on your own in a few months making a little money. If you like it great its a fun life with modern conveinance. You can see different regions in all seasons to gauge if you'll want to settle there. You can go hiking, camping, sightseeing. I have my own rig and pick where I wanna go. Right now headin to Billings, MT. Can't go through yellowstone this time of year in the truck but still a fun journey.


That's a good thought. My father actually is employed in that. Unfortunately I think that would be very stressful to me. Although you are traveling and get to see different things, you're still working constantly, except in this job you are confined to a seat for that time and driving, which I find stressful and not active enough. It was a good suggestion though, thank you.



Join the Canadian Army. Ask for Infantry.


I don't know much about that either. I understand I will be traveling, but any other benefits? I want something more free where I'm not confined to a group of people for a long period of time, even a moving group of people. It's a thought though.

Rick
01-28-2012, 03:49 PM
I'm sorry I misunderstood. I was leveraging off your comment that you had vague goals. Try working a season with an outfitter, a guide, a ranch or a forest replanting company. You'll get to experience some practical learning while making a few bucks.

Mendelssohn
01-28-2012, 03:50 PM
I don't know why it will only except my second post, it says the first one needs to be cleared by the moderator. So I didn't ignore the first people. Thanks =)

Mendelssohn
01-28-2012, 03:51 PM
I'm sorry I misunderstood. I was leveraging off your comment that you had vague goals.

That's okay Rick. A lot of people that talk about these things are reckless and haven't thought it through but I'm not one of those people =P

And by vague goals I was just trying to say that I don't really care about a lot of the details. I want to be safe, healthy, and comfortable to some degree while living that lifestyle. These are vague things that I'm sure have multiple solutions.

Rick
01-28-2012, 04:06 PM
Because you are new the forum requires your posts to be moderated if there is any sort of link in it. That helps to control spam. There are some other parameters that will drive it to the moderation que as well. I think this is set to 10 posts. After 10 posts you won't be moderated.

Mendelssohn
01-28-2012, 04:29 PM
Because you are new the forum requires your posts to be moderated if there is any sort of link in it. That helps to control spam. There are some other parameters that will drive it to the moderation que as well. I think this is set to 10 posts. After 10 posts you won't be moderated.

Thanks Rick =)

hunter63
01-28-2012, 06:40 PM
As far as the nomad option goes trucking is probably the best one out there. You can get on with a company that will train you and you'll have like a 1-2 year committment to cover training . You on your own in a few months making a little money. If you like it great its a fun life with modern conveinance. You can see different regions in all seasons to gauge if you'll want to settle there. You can go hiking, camping, sightseeing. I have my own rig and pick where I wanna go. Right now headin to Billings, MT. Can't go through yellowstone this time of year in the truck but still a fun journey.

Reading your desires, I have to agree that a trucker would satisfy some of the basics and still allow you to move around.

Quote>And by vague goals I was just trying to say that I don't really care about a lot of the details. I want to be safe, healthy, and comfortable to some degree while living that lifestyle. These are vague things that I'm sure have multiple solutions< Quote

That's what every one wants........

Mendelssohn
01-28-2012, 06:59 PM
Reading your desires, I have to agree that a trucker would satisfy some of the basics and still allow you to move around.

Quote>And by vague goals I was just trying to say that I don't really care about a lot of the details. I want to be safe, healthy, and comfortable to some degree while living that lifestyle. These are vague things that I'm sure have multiple solutions< Quote

That's what every one wants........


If you take it out of context, then certainly. But I know for a fact that not everyone wants a hermetic lifestyle. Most people want people in their life, where I want to avoid all contact with people to a large degree, and I have admitted that it may be tough. Though I said I want comfort, I know it won't be perfect. But I also know, that by default, there has to be a route to this that is THE MOST comfortable, convenient, etc. I'm not looking for perfection here. That would be impossible.

I'm looking for the best realistic solutions here. There were some good suggestions and half of my replies are being looked over by the moderator, but the main thing I have found is that I would like suggestions on where to go to find somewhat isolated property, where I could make this work realistically. And I would like the entire world to be considered, and not just North America. For example, I have read that you can live in some places in India for 250 a month, full living expenses. One place was in the mountains and I could find isolation every day because of the landscapes there and because I could probably retire a lot earlier. I'm sure there are cons I don't know about though =P. Thanks

crashdive123
01-28-2012, 08:57 PM
Purchase 15.7 acres on the edge of the Chugach National Forest in Alaska. Live in a small cabin. Only see people when you go to town every 3 or 4 months for supplies. I say this in all seriousness. It is how a member here is living and sounds like something you are looking for.

BENESSE
01-28-2012, 09:51 PM
Why not do Peace Corp for a year or so and see first hand what's out there?
There aren't too many opportunities in life when you can just pick up and go and try anything. PC is a way to find out without needing personal resources and taking risks while you're still trying to learn about what would be right for you.

Rick
01-28-2012, 11:11 PM
I would bet for the right price you could own that property and live the exact hermit life you want.

Mendelssohn
01-29-2012, 09:29 AM
Purchase 15.7 acres on the edge of the Chugach National Forest in Alaska. Live in a small cabin. Only see people when you go to town every 3 or 4 months for supplies. I say this in all seriousness. It is how a member here is living and sounds like something you are looking for.


I will keep that area in mind. Buying property close to a national part is a big consideration. Do you have to hunt there or what's the easiest way to survive in that area?


Why not do Peace Corp for a year or so and see first hand what's out there?
There aren't too many opportunities in life when you can just pick up and go and try anything. PC is a way to find out without needing personal resources and taking risks while you're still trying to learn about what would be right for you.

Tempting! There is no Peace Corps in Canada, but there are equivalent. It's a consideration, as well as WWOOF. They woudl be fun and interesting, but I don't think ideal, because I know they best way to get to my goal the fastest is to stay in school and make some money.



I would bet for the right price you could own that property and live the exact hermit life you want.


Hmm.. What do you think I will need? =P

vahtryn
01-29-2012, 01:07 PM
Living as a nomad is actually quite tough but also a very good way to live. For the vast majority of my life I had no idea what I truly wanted. I do not befuddle any of the choices I have made as they have brought me to the present. I've been a drug addict, I've partied and I've gone on many career paths. My current career is the one that pays the bills but I will not knock being a bartender or audio engineer in the slightest.

I tend to keep my life style very simplistic and the reasoning behind this isn't because of survival. The reason I can willy nilly move across country is that I don't own ****. Everything I have gets used at least once a month. Something that sits on a shelf or in the closet for more than that just gets tossed immediately. Don't hold onto possessions because they will hold you down if you want to have a nomadic type lifestyle.

The most important thing you can take out of being young is learn. The skills you can pick up are the most important thing you will ever need as you get older and actually start to solidify these goals you may have. I've been in and out of goals and have sort of come to where I need to be for the present. Remember that everything changes and you need some fluidity in your lifestyle. Don't just go after one thing unless you are willing to accept the bumpy road that comes with it. You won't get there exactly as you have planned, but you can deal with the hiccups.

Rick
01-29-2012, 03:04 PM
Congratulations on your sobriety. No small accomplishment.

Mendelssohn
01-29-2012, 07:27 PM
Living as a nomad is actually quite tough but also a very good way to live. For the vast majority of my life I had no idea what I truly wanted. I do not befuddle any of the choices I have made as they have brought me to the present. I've been a drug addict, I've partied and I've gone on many career paths. My current career is the one that pays the bills but I will not knock being a bartender or audio engineer in the slightest.

I tend to keep my life style very simplistic and the reasoning behind this isn't because of survival. The reason I can willy nilly move across country is that I don't own ****. Everything I have gets used at least once a month. Something that sits on a shelf or in the closet for more than that just gets tossed immediately. Don't hold onto possessions because they will hold you down if you want to have a nomadic type lifestyle.

The most important thing you can take out of being young is learn. The skills you can pick up are the most important thing you will ever need as you get older and actually start to solidify these goals you may have. I've been in and out of goals and have sort of come to where I need to be for the present. Remember that everything changes and you need some fluidity in your lifestyle. Don't just go after one thing unless you are willing to accept the bumpy road that comes with it. You won't get there exactly as you have planned, but you can deal with the hiccups.

Thanks you, Vahtryn - And I agree with you. Nomad and hermit alike, it is difficult to achieve those goals if you are focused on possessions, which fortunately I am not. You say don't go after just one thing, in once sense I agree, and in another sense I think that I have to choose some kind of prospect for a future living situation, even if it's a nomadic or hermetic one. Also, I have lived my entire life up until now with computers and books, with different people and their diverse opinions. I have experienced all that. Aiming for these goals will provide me with the other end of the spectrum, not the world of society and information, and entertainment, but of nature and more simple things that I have not yet experienced. I need to experience this too.

If you've had a lot of experience living a nomadic lifestyle I'd like to know any information you have and any advice =).

Congrats on your sobriety. I am fortunate enough to have never gotten into it that much. I only experimented, so when I decided I didn't want to drink, smoke or do drugs, it was an easy step. It's also another things that costs you money, which ties you down =P

Aurelius95
01-29-2012, 08:41 PM
I'm sorry I misunderstood. I was leveraging off your comment that you had vague goals. Try working a season with an outfitter, a guide, a ranch or a forest replanting company. You'll get to experience some practical learning while making a few bucks.

I had a friend whose son, about 21 or 22, got hired on as a hand for a remote Alaskan camp. During the summer, he assisted the guides doing mostly grunt work. He cooked, cleaned, and did what they told him. He volunteered to stay at this camp during the winter with 3 or 4 of the other guys. They took care of the dogs, lots of work around the site, but had a lot of time to explore and spend alone. He stayed out there for a few years, and eventually was guiding as well.

Aurelius95
01-29-2012, 08:45 PM
I don't know if you have a four year degree or not, but there are many countries you can go to teach English. I spent a year and a half teaching in Japan when I graduated University. I met people from all over the world. And quite a few Canadians. There are some places, like the YMCA that will hire you on as an English teacher without a degree (at least in Japan). I know a bunch of people who have done this in Korea and China, too. Good luck!

vahtryn
01-29-2012, 09:19 PM
If you've had a lot of experience living a nomadic lifestyle I'd like to know any information you have and any advice =).

I'll give as much as I can. I have lived a chaotic life. I lived in a UFO for a summer, and that is a true story.

I also thank everyone about me being soberish. I gave up the hard drugs. When I lived in California I did have a prescription for pot because it's much better for pain than opiates in my opinion. Then again this is coming from someone born with bone cancer :P

intothenew
01-29-2012, 10:00 PM
.................I lived in a UFO for a summer.........

I'm assuming you are not the son of Phil Mogg,

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9ZXKBBP/0/O/i-9ZXKBBP.jpg

Or Pete Way.

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vXMSMmX/0/O/i-vXMSMmX.jpg

Who are you?

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-W8QVpwh/0/O/i-W8QVpwh.jpg

vahtryn
01-29-2012, 10:46 PM
I did play in a few punk bands in the 90s then went into the electronic thing.

oldtrap59
01-30-2012, 12:43 AM
Mend. You asked about books that might help you out with off the grid life. One that I could suggest would be Five acres and independence by Nearing. Was written a few years back but still available and still pertinate.

Oldtrap

Mendelssohn
01-30-2012, 09:33 AM
I had a friend whose son, about 21 or 22, got hired on as a hand for a remote Alaskan camp. During the summer, he assisted the guides doing mostly grunt work. He cooked, cleaned, and did what they told him. He volunteered to stay at this camp during the winter with 3 or 4 of the other guys. They took care of the dogs, lots of work around the site, but had a lot of time to explore and spend alone. He stayed out there for a few years, and eventually was guiding as well.

That sounds pretty awesome. That would be a big consideration if I ever got offered something like that. Also, I wonder if, with the course I'm taking (Energy System Engineering Technology), which deals mostly with renewable energy systems, would have some remote applications I could perhaps get employed in.

You also mentioned teaching. Do to my personality, I think it would be impossible! Thanks though. =)




I'll give as much as I can. I have lived a chaotic life. I lived in a UFO for a summer, and that is a true story.

I also thank everyone about me being soberish. I gave up the hard drugs. When I lived in California I did have a prescription for pot because it's much better for pain than opiates in my opinion. Then again this is coming from someone born with bone cancer :P


Thanks Vahtryn =P




Mend. You asked about books that might help you out with off the grid life. One that I could suggest would be Five acres and independence by Nearing. Was written a few years back but still available and still pertinate.


Thank you. I will look for this book. =)

SemperFi
01-30-2012, 10:31 AM
want to learn survival , want to experience survival in its fight for survival form , join the Marines young man!

Mendelssohn
01-30-2012, 07:23 PM
Hey again guys,

I was just wondering what everyone thought about one prospect I've been looking at. If you know anything about the layout of Canada, it's full of society right near the southern border and as you go north it gets a lot colder but there's more wildlife and isolation. I'm currently in Ontario so buying some property in Northern Ontario might be a good move. Here is a website with big plots of land for relatively cheap http://www.recreationland.net/ .. Again, I don't know much about this.. A lot of these properties are surrounded by "Crown Land", whatever that entails, and I know there are different laws pertaining to each piece of land about what you can build, etc. I would likely set myself up with a small but decent house, with some renewable energy sources, I will thinking I'd try to install a hydoelectric system because there are a lot of streams running through these places. Also, most of them are saying how much there is to hunt and fish there.. Could I expect to survive this way? I would be on the lookout for a place within distance to a small town so that I can go there for supplies or contact them in case of emergency, but I'd like to know I can hunt for my food. Is this practical? Is the cold endurable?

So any info about this plan; pros, cons?

Thanks =)

intothenew
01-30-2012, 08:51 PM
Get a job, not just any job, a real job. Preference should be given to a general contractor, and a small residential one at that. If not a general, a roofer would do. That will take care of a few things.

1. Show up, on time, every day, in any weather. You need to learn how to hydrate, how to nourish, and how to dress.

2. You get pennies for the bank. That should be obvious, but we'll get to the subtleties in a moment.

3. You get paid for blisters, and callouses. You're certainly going to need them, the callouses that is. The sprains, strains, and general fatigue is paid for too.

4. You get paid to learn a craft, or possibly crafts, if you land the right job.



Concurrent, you're only using 8-12 hours a day, sign up for tech school classes. Anything that you can get, sewing, basket weaving, masonry, machine shop, etc. etc. Hit the free workshops at the home improvement stores.

Get a library card, tomorrow, and don't walk out without a book. Not a suspense novel, a real book, a non-fiction book, any non-fiction book. The subjects will soon enough be obvious after you're ankle deep into the above.

Spend your first pennies on food/water, clothing, hygiene, and shelter. That is in a self sufficient sense, camping in the dorm, Mom's basement, you're own apartment, whatever that may be. Spend your spare time enjoying those pennies at the local park, National Forest campground, or the landlords back forty. Show up for work one Monday morning clean shaven, with clean clothes, and a full belly, after spending a three day weekend in a National Forest campground.

Start a spread sheet of your expenditures, today, every expenditure. Open Office (http://www.openoffice.org/) is free and will do the job nicely. You need a budget.


Do all that, and I can show you a cheap way out of town.

Mendelssohn
01-30-2012, 09:25 PM
Get a job, not just any job, a real job. Preference should be given to a general contractor, and a small residential one at that. If not a general, a roofer would do. That will take care of a few things.

1. Show up, on time, every day, in any weather. You need to learn how to hydrate, how to nourish, and how to dress.

2. You get pennies for the bank. That should be obvious, but we'll get to the subtleties in a moment.

3. You get paid for blisters, and callouses. You're certainly going to need them, the callouses that is. The sprains, strains, and general fatigue is paid for too.

4. You get paid to learn a craft, or possibly crafts, if you land the right job.



Concurrent, you're only using 8-12 hours a day, sign up for tech school classes. Anything that you can get, sewing, basket weaving, masonry, machine shop, etc. etc. Hit the free workshops at the home improvement stores.

Get a library card, tomorrow, and don't walk out without a book. Not a suspense novel, a real book, a non-fiction book, any non-fiction book. The subjects will soon enough be obvious after you're ankle deep into the above.

Spend your first pennies on food/water, clothing, hygiene, and shelter. That is in a self sufficient sense, camping in the dorm, Mom's basement, you're own apartment, whatever that may be. Spend your spare time enjoying those pennies at the local park, National Forest campground, or the landlords back forty. Show up for work one Monday morning clean shaven, with clean clothes, and a full belly, after spending a three day weekend in a National Forest campground.

Start a spread sheet of your expenditures, today, every expenditure. Open Office (http://www.openoffice.org/) is free and will do the job nicely. You need a budget.


Do all that, and I can show you a cheap way out of town.

Hey, thanks for your advice. I will fill you in on what I am or am not doing concerning what you have suggested.

I was a helper for two different plumbing and heating companies. I worked outside in bad weather. The economy got bad and I couldn't get anything in the trades no matter how many places I applied to so I gave up. I am currently in a 3 year program called Energy Systems Engineering Technology. We learn and apply knowledge for renewable energy, as well as many other common energy systems, such as gas heating systems, etc. We learn about electrical circuitry, plumbing, a lot of stuff. Hopefully when I'm done I will get a good job that you speak of. A lot of it is in harsh weather conditions too, like installing turbines, etc.

I'm good at budgeting, I won't have a problem with that, though I don't have much money now while going to school.

I read every day and it's ALWAYS non fiction. Mostly science, some philosophy, some history. I should be reading more survival. I have read the SAS survival guide. =P

The campgrounds near here are unfortunately not very wild. From any site I could certainly yell out and someone would hear me. Unfortunately.

I only purchase necessities right now. As I probably will when I am finished school, though I do think of investments to speed the process, like real estate. Not much to budget right now.

Does this qualify for your cheap way out of town? =P I'm sure I will qualify when I finish school and have a better job...

Also you have left out health. I work out every day and do cardio so I should be plenty fit enough as well.

Thanks =)

intothenew
01-31-2012, 06:42 AM
Hey, thanks for your advice. I will fill you in on what I am or am not doing concerning what you have suggested.

I was a helper for two different plumbing and heating companies. I worked outside in bad weather. The economy got bad and I couldn't get anything in the trades no matter how many places I applied to so I gave up. I am currently in a 3 year program called Energy Systems Engineering Technology. We learn and apply knowledge for renewable energy, as well as many other common energy systems, such as gas heating systems, etc. We learn about electrical circuitry, plumbing, a lot of stuff. Hopefully when I'm done I will get a good job that you speak of. A lot of it is in harsh weather conditions too, like installing turbines, etc.

Well, there is hope. You are gathering technical knowledge. Yards to mow? Shrubs to trim? Snow to shovel?


I'm good at budgeting, I won't have a problem with that, though I don't have much money now while going to school.

What are your living arrangements right now? Where does your income come from?


I read every day and it's ALWAYS non fiction. Mostly science, some philosophy, some history. I should be reading more survival. I have read the SAS survival guide. =P

I don't know about that at this point, homesteading may be the premiere choice. But anything non-fiction for the moment. Going to get that library card today?


The campgrounds near here are unfortunately not very wild. From any site I could certainly yell out and someone would hear me. Unfortunately.

That is actually a good thing at this point. It would be ill advised for you to venture away from civilization at this point, you express that in the original post. You need to ease into this. Camp out in your bedroom.............the back forty...........the National Forest campground..........

You jump ahead on that one. Don't look too far ahead right now.


I only purchase necessities right now. As I probably will when I am finished school, though I do think of investments to speed the process, like real estate. Not much to budget right now.

The less there is, the more need for a budget.


Does this qualify for your cheap way out of town? =P I'm sure I will qualify when I finish school and have a better job...

Nope.


Also you have left out health. I work out every day and do cardio so I should be plenty fit enough as well.

Thanks =)

In your eyes, yes. In my eyes, no. I'm trying to keep your teeth from falling out of your head, protect you from dehydration, protect you from hypothermia, get you some cardio, get you some weight training, get you some calisthenics...............and make a few pennies.

Are you paying for a gym? If so, save that money and make some with a real job. If not, you can still use that time learning another craft.

Mendelssohn
01-31-2012, 10:56 PM
Well, there is hope. You are gathering technical knowledge. Yards to mow? Shrubs to trim? Snow to shovel?

No, there isn't due to my living situation, but I am plenty busy with work and school, while actually taking the time to make healthy meals, exercise etc. Also I have done all the things you've mentioned and I am perfectly competent to due manual labour like that.


What are your living arrangements right now? Where does your income come from?

I live with my mother in an apartment. I work twice a week at a warehouse, and my mother is helping me through school.


I don't know about that at this point, homesteading may be the premiere choice. But anything non-fiction for the moment. Going to get that library card today?

Going to get the library card? I made it clear that I'm an avid reader already - and I use a kindle. Homesteading is a good suggestion. I should read more of that.


That is actually a good thing at this point. It would be ill advised for you to venture away from civilization at this point, you express that in the original post. You need to ease into this. Camp out in your bedroom.............the back forty...........the National Forest campground..........


You jump ahead on that one. Don't look too far ahead right now.

In that case I have camped plenty on those campgrounds. I don't think it's a huge challenge though. It would be nice to have a vacation to go further up north and for a longer period of time, but that will have to wait until I'm finished school as well.



The less there is, the more need for a budget.


You're right. However, my point was that making an Excel spreadsheet would be pathetic at this point, because as I said, I don't buy much of anything, except what I need for the week, and I'm not going to be frugal enough to cut out my coffee before class, and even if I were, I could just remember that. As well, I have my grocery bill at the end of each week which makes that pretty simple. I don't pay for internet or any form of entertainment. I don't even pay for my books. Budgeting just wouldn't make sense right now.


Nope.


Okay



In your eyes, yes. In my eyes, no. I'm trying to keep your teeth from falling out of your head, protect you from dehydration, protect you from hypothermia, get you some cardio, get you some weight training, get you some calisthenics...............and make a few pennies.

Are you paying for a gym? If so, save that money and make some with a real job. If not, you can still use that time learning another craft.

Hmm.. I understand. I do cardio, weight training and calisthenics daily for at least an hour and a half and I brush my teeth and go to the dentist. I also drink my required water per day and eat plenty of food. I dress warmly when I go out in the snow. I'll make money when I'm finished school.

No, I'm not paying for a gym. I do it all from home. I have equipment here.

I see no real problem with my lifestyle right now. I use my time very productively. I am looking for a plan going forward. Once I have it I will learn all the skills necessary to achieve it. That's why I'm inquiring years in advance, before I actually plan to do it. I already have an assortment of skills like you have said from reading non-fiction and learning technical things at school and on various jobs and those skills are always expanding, but I need a plan to focus my efforts on.

Thanks for your effort.

-Mendelssohn

intothenew
02-01-2012, 06:51 AM
I have vague goals but I do not know the best ways to go about achieving them.



If you will begin to emulate those goals in your current situation, things should start to get clearer.

I'm a bottom up kinda guy. The way out is best determined by looking inward first. What skills and resources do I have? That will determine the path options I have going forward.

You want to pick a spot on a map, or have someone pick it for you, and develop a path to it. I consider that a flawed approach, you may not like what you find once you're there. It may not be there by the time you arrive. Study, and practice, the fundamentals now. A passion for something will grab you. You will find that there are many paths to the same, or different, destinations.

BENESSE
02-01-2012, 09:05 AM
Vague goals aren't compelling enough to get you* going and the idea of achieving them may seem a little overwhelming. So you spend a lot of time in your head tying to sort it out.
Pick one thing that has interested you the longest and do something about it. Read up on it, take a course, join a club, go on a trip, volunteer, get a part-time job in it...just do something. It's the best way I know how to focus while getting closer to something that really matters to you. The more you do, the more you'll learn, the more you can dimensionalize your goals. And who knows, a new direction and new connections might emerge that you couldn't have predicted in the first place.

(* by you, I mean one--anyone)

Mendelssohn
02-01-2012, 09:13 AM
If you will begin to emulate those goals in your current situation, things should start to get clearer.

I'm a bottom up kinda guy. The way out is best determined by looking inward first. What skills and resources do I have? That will determine the path options I have going forward.

You want to pick a spot on a map, or have someone pick it for you, and develop a path to it. I consider that a flawed approach, you may not like what you find once you're there. It may not be there by the time you arrive. Study, and practice, the fundamentals now. A passion for something will grab you. You will find that there are many paths to the same, or different, destinations.

Those goals are being practiced to the best of my ability because I don't socialize with people much at all, and I go to nature whenever I can. So the question is how I will achieve the goals, for example, will I need survival skills?

I agree that I should study and practice the fundamentals now, to prepare for multiple outcomes, however it is also clear to me that at some point I do have to choose a destination. This destination should be studied in depth to see if it's really what I want and so I can prepare in some way. This has to happen. The only question is, do I start thinking about it well in advance or do I wait until I'm ready to leave? I think that like with many things it's smart to think about it in advance, because when you first come across something it can seem good, but the more you look into it the truth is revealed.

What you are saying are good things to practice, but this should be done as well, in fact it has to be done, the only question is when.

I do not see the benefit in keeping my future a mystery, rather than understanding the paths I can take and the pros and cons of each to the best of my ability.

As for your one step at a time approach... It doesn't really apply in this sense, because all I am asking is to understand the destinations I can take so I can act toward them, which will then be one step at a time...because it is impossible to do anything of use without at least looking ahead to the future a little to determine how you're going to act in the present. In everything you do, you first look to the future for what you should do. I am only looking to the long term as well to I make sure I am not deceiving myself when the time comes.

Thanks for your advice.

Mendelssohn
02-01-2012, 09:23 AM
Vague goals aren't compelling enough to get you* going and the idea of achieving them may seem a little overwhelming. So you spend a lot of time in your head tying to sort it out.
Pick one thing that has interested you the longest and do something about it. Read up on it, take a course, join a club, go on a trip, volunteer, get a part-time job in it...just do something. It's the best way I know how to focus while getting closer to something that really matters to you. The more you do, the more you'll learn, the more you can dimensionalize your goals. And who knows, a new direction and new connections might emerge that you couldn't have predicted in the first place.


My goals are quite compelling enough, just to clarify, and I understand what I want, and I also understand that there are various ways to get there, so I am trying to study those ways.

Yes, you're right. Skill building activities. My days are full with those. Read up on what exactly? That's what I'm trying to determine by inquiring about what path I should take. Trust me I have tried to read up on being a hermit but I couldn't find anything decent. I've read hardcore survival, but I don't know if that's what I want to do... I could very well be living in a modern household in the country and I only have to worry about finances. I'm sorting out options and all of the pros and cons well in advance and that is an intelligent thing to do.

BENESSE
02-01-2012, 09:24 AM
It's hard (foolhardy, really) to pick a long term destinaton based soleley on what people say or what you read about it.
You really should make a few trips out there to see for yourself. No exception.
It's one thing to go on a few weeks vacation and quite another to choose a long term homestead--sight unseen-- with which you have no experience.
Get your school behind you, and start making trips into possible locations which you researched beforehand. At least that would be my MO.
We don't know what's in your head, we can only tell you what our experience has tought us. That's all.

Mendelssohn
02-01-2012, 09:43 AM
It's hard (foolhardy, really) to pick a long term destinaton based soleley on what people say or what you read about it.
You really should make a few trips out there to see for yourself. No exception.
It's one thing to go on a few weeks vacation and quite another to choose for a long term homestead--sight unseen-- with which you have no experience.
Get your school behind you, and start making trips into possible locations which you researched beforehand. At least that would be my MO.
We don't know what's in your head, we can only tell you what our experience has tought us. That's all.

I don't want to pick a destination solely on research. However, simple logic tells me that research is necessary. If I didn't know anything about anyplace I could certainly be traveling the entire world before finding a place that suits me. There are many places I know wouldn't suit me based on research, which would save A LOT of money and time going to those places, which I couldn't afford, and which would set me back years from my goal. Further research could ONLY help to reduce the amount of time and money wasted on endeavors that could have easily been avoided by picking up a book or asking someone. Therefore, what I'm doing on this forum is useful, it may just not be a useful place to ask these questions.

I agree with you. I have to take a trip there and see for myself as well. I would be looking at the land there and asking the local guides to tell me about it.

I appreciate it. It's good advice.

finallyME
02-01-2012, 11:32 AM
In case no one has seen this video of a hermit.


http://youtu.be/c_W_R7wTf-g

SARKY
02-01-2012, 11:49 AM
I can't help thinking, didn't the last person who was so very compelled to do something like this wind up dead in a bus in the bush of Alaska?

Rick
02-01-2012, 12:12 PM
You might also want to examine why you are adverse to being around people. Perhaps the goal is not living in the wilderness but understanding what your aversion is. It matters not to me I just thought I'd throw it out. Sometimes we focus on the solution to the wrong problem.

Mendelssohn
02-01-2012, 06:39 PM
In case no one has seen this video of a hermit.


http://youtu.be/c_W_R7wTf-g

Thanks. I actually have not seen this one. =)

Mendelssohn
02-01-2012, 06:42 PM
I can't help thinking, didn't the last person who was so very compelled to do something like this wind up dead in a bus in the bush of Alaska?

I think that's a vast oversimplification. I have seen that film and the boy took virtually no efforts to prepare and was reckless.. He burnt all his money.. he didn't know how to prepare meat.. I could go on.

Also I probably wouldn't hike out to Alaska with a backpack. I'm looking for an easier route than that. And I'm not opposed to having some money to help me, as he was.

Also have you seen the other documentary about an Alaskan hermit, called Alone in the Wild? He survived easily out there.

Mendelssohn
02-01-2012, 06:47 PM
You might also want to examine why you are adverse to being around people. Perhaps the goal is not living in the wilderness but understanding what your aversion is. It matters not to me I just thought I'd throw it out. Sometimes we focus on the solution to the wrong problem.

Thanks Rick. That's actually very smart of you to bring up. I have thought about that a lot, really. For many years I have considered if it's based on some psychological problem, or if it's actually helpful, and what I really want.

The truth is I might be a little weird in society but I can go with the flow of it if I want to. I can socialize with people, and I can even enjoy it. My reasoning is hard to explain but could probably be considered as philosophical rather than psychological. I feel that it will do something great for me. There's a chance it won't, but even then it will be great to at least know that and stop thinking about it.

Rick
02-01-2012, 07:58 PM
We all have our quirks that make us unique, good or bad. As you say, if you move forward at least you'll know if that's what you really want to do.

Mendelssohn
02-01-2012, 08:17 PM
We all have our quirks that make us unique, good or bad. As you say, if you move forward at least you'll know if that's what you really want to do.

Exactly! And this is something I've been dreaming about for such a long time that it's unavoidable to at least try it.

vahtryn
02-01-2012, 08:24 PM
want to learn survival , want to experience survival in its fight for survival form , join the Marines young man!While the Marines, or any military service to earn your franchise will teach you that it's also not the only way to learn how to learn to fight for survival. Living on the streets will teach you equally as many skills. Living poor even when you have money will also teach you the same.

I'm a crap carpenter. Yet over the weekend I built shelves because I had to figure out how. this weekend I will be building a desk and a bed frame. Not because I have to, but rather that because I want to.

intothenew
02-01-2012, 09:31 PM
In case no one has seen this video of a hermit..............



A P-38 attached to my spoon, or possibly a big girl P-51, would make the story boring. Or, would it?

I cannot imagine that outcome. Well maybe, in my negative REM cycles, maybe.

Mendelssohn
02-01-2012, 09:51 PM
While the Marines, or any military service to earn your franchise will teach you that it's also not the only way to learn how to learn to fight for survival. Living on the streets will teach you equally as many skills. Living poor even when you have money will also teach you the same.

I'm a crap carpenter. Yet over the weekend I built shelves because I had to figure out how. this weekend I will be building a desk and a bed frame. Not because I have to, but rather that because I want to.

Yes, I agree =).

That's good. I plan to do projects like that when I have a place of my own.

Rick
02-01-2012, 10:21 PM
Vahtryn - May I suggest you build a model of each first? Models are a good way to learn the fundamentals of cabinet making without the expense of messing up on a big scale. You are going to find problems, things you wish you would have done differently, etc. A model won't cost much to make those mistakes on. Then, when you have the model the way you want it you don't have much of a problem to scale up to the size you want. Just a thought.

Years ago I couldn't afford to make mistakes on a grand scale so I drew out my models. I had taken drafting in high school so I used that meager background to make my models. It made it a lot easier to build the final product because I had already "built" it a couple of times.

gerberman
02-01-2012, 11:35 PM
Remember when you find this "PLACE" only tell a few of your closes friends, or your PLACE will soon be overcrowded with others just like you,

BENESSE
02-01-2012, 11:37 PM
Sounds like that would be the least of his problems.

rebel
02-01-2012, 11:43 PM
What was the frenchie from LA?

crashdive123
02-02-2012, 07:53 AM
In case no one has seen this video of a hermit.


http://youtu.be/c_W_R7wTf-g

This had to be a joke right?

Rick
02-02-2012, 09:54 AM
Nothing there a pound and a half of Prozac won't fix.

crashdive123
02-02-2012, 01:32 PM
Either he's only been a hermit for a few days, or he must have been huge when he started. Eating a small fish (he called it a minnow) and saying that was good for a few days.

Rick
02-02-2012, 04:25 PM
I was enlightened when he accused the beaver of stealing his can opener. I had no idea those critters were so devious.

intothenew
02-02-2012, 04:27 PM
You can learn a lot from a ................


Well maybe it should be "an"...........

crashdive123
02-02-2012, 04:29 PM
I guess the loss of the can opener is why he just eats minnows and nuts. When it comes to stacking pebbles........I can see where that must take up a lot of his time.

hunter63
02-02-2012, 05:34 PM
So like did the fall on the head?...or living out there (for ? long, beard not to long?)....or just kinda different (not there that there is anything wrong with that).....? or just doesn't get along with people, (or beavers)?

Now that I think of it, my bus living guy, (Now in the trailer) is kinda different (not there that there is anything wrong with that) as well.....

Couple of friends stoped by his (bus guy) place, and offered him some chili that had made for hunting camp....he says, "No thanks I'm a vegan"......

BENESSE
02-02-2012, 05:40 PM
So like did the fall on the head?...or living out there (for ? long, beard not to long?)....or just kinda different (not there that there is anything wrong with that).....? or just doesn't get along with people, (or beavers)?

Now that I think of it, my bus living guy, (Now in the trailer) is kinda different (not there that there is anything wrong with that) as well.....

Couple of friends stoped by his (bus guy) place, and offered him some chili that had made for hunting camp....he says, "No thanks I'm a vegan"......

...not that there's anything wrong with THAT.:ohmy:

finallyME
02-02-2012, 05:44 PM
I am leaning toward it being a joke. But man, the ending is priceless.

BENESSE
02-02-2012, 05:48 PM
Yeah...guy's Mr. normal til you find out he's vegan. Now, that's weired.

hunter63
02-02-2012, 05:48 PM
I am leaning toward it being a joke. But man, the ending is priceless.

Plus one on that.....heck of a set up, Kudos.........LOL

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