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ryaninmichigan
01-23-2012, 01:47 PM
Got a letter from the school yesterday about some anti bullying thing they are doing. This topic really gets under my skin. Do we really need all of this? Do we need anti bulling legislation? I talked with my boy about it, he is only 6 so I don't think bullies have developed yet. But anyway we talked about my expectation of him to stand up for himself and others if they are being bullied, he told me the school told them not to fight back it will only make it worse. WTF? Are we raising a generation of cowards? What ever happened to teaching your kid to stick up for themselves? I told my son the same thing my dad told me. If you come how and I find out you did not fight back there will be hell to pay. I don't care what the school told you if someone is picking on you and you need to fight, you fight just like I have been teaching you.

dscrick
01-23-2012, 04:04 PM
Progressive Liberalism is rampant in the world of Academia. You've heard the mantra; "Guns are evil, we must be tolerant of everything, if a child is a bully it's because of self esteem issues, everybody gets a trophy whether they win or not". Nothing new. Yes it is a shame, yes we are raising generations of sissies. I believe you are doing the right thing in teaching your son (my opinion), but be very careful. The NEA indoctrinated staff at his school will have him suspended or expelled if he fights back. Just be prepared for it.

BENESSE
01-23-2012, 04:16 PM
There are many types of bullying, the least of it being physical. Read up on it and make sure your kid is equipped to handle it all, not just hit back when hit.

Wildthang
01-23-2012, 04:28 PM
Stick to your guns Benesse! The schools are more worried about being liable when a kid gets in a fight on thier property, and possibly getting hurt, than teaching the kids what's right. The judicial system has made everybody afraid to just do what's right, and unfortunaltely as a result, they a sissifying our children.
America didn't become the greatest country in the world by laying down and giving in, but I'm afraid it is turning the other way faster than we can measure. If your kid gets kicked out of school for defending himself, just let him know that he did what was right, and you are proud of him. He will miss 3 days, and when he goes back, the bully's will watch what they say to him.
I actually taught my kid how to fight and he used it more than once. I also taught him to not pick fights, or bully other children, but to never back down when he was right, and was being billied for no reason.

ryaninmichigan
01-23-2012, 07:50 PM
I won't deny bullies are a problem, but I think we are working on this from the wrong side. We don't need more rules. We need to raise kids with self respect and respect to others. My kid does not pick on kids, he I will not allow him to not stand up when he needs to. He will get a trip to the movies and happy meal.

jake abraham
01-23-2012, 08:01 PM
I taught my kids to stand up for themselves I got to spend quite a bit of time in the office ,but I told my kids that they were right, the one time that he was wrong he got in trouble

BENESSE
01-23-2012, 08:07 PM
Again, y'all need to understand there's different kind of bullying out there, most likely nonexistent when you were in school. Cyber bullying, for example. It's insidious, toxic and much more prevalent these days. What are you gonna tell your kid he/she do if that ever happen to them...go initiate a fight with the cyber bullies?
Fighting is easy. The other stuff takes an entirely different set of coping skills (mental & psychological) which actually have to be taught, just like any other survival skills.

COWBOYSURVIVAL
01-23-2012, 08:12 PM
I have something to say but don't want to rob the thread, but yeah teach 'em to stick up for themselves! See story 4....

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?8987-Raising-a-Cowboy-stories....&highlight=raising+cowboy

Wildthang
01-23-2012, 08:22 PM
Well for cyber bullying, you either stay away from the media you are being bullied on, or flame them like no tomorrow. I wouldn't know any other way to cope with that!

TresMon
01-23-2012, 08:54 PM
Again, y'all need to understand there's different kind of bullying out there, most likely nonexistent when you were in school. Cyber bullying, for example. It's insidious, toxic and much more prevalent these days. What are you gonna tell your kid he/she do if that ever happen to them...go initiate a fight with the cyber bullies?
Fighting is easy. The other stuff takes an entirely different set of coping skills (mental & psychological) which actually have to be taught, just like any other survival skills.

Please expound for the good/knowledge/edu-muh-cation of the group.

Thanks B.

BENESSE
01-23-2012, 09:05 PM
This explains it best:

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html

Just to add from the site:

"Experts who understand schoolyard bullying often misunderstand cyberbullying, thinking it is just another method of bullying. But the motives and the nature of cybercommunications, as well as the demographic and profile of a cyberbully differ from their offline counterpart."

If you have kids, talk to them about it and let them know that you know.

TresMon
01-23-2012, 09:19 PM
Hmm. Interesting. Reading your link makes me 1. feel old & outdated 2. better equipped to protect young'uns now uh'days.

Thanks B.


Edit:
come to think of it- it makes sense that now days vicious/ slanderous rumors etc can spread faster across 'net linked media than it can even word of mouth/ down school hall ways with ALL the kids having internet and the majority having smart phones.

ryaninmichigan
01-23-2012, 10:04 PM
I understand the different ways kids can be pushed around these days. It has to do with teaching pride. Someone writing "Ryan sucks d**ks" on my locker my freshman year is the same as Facebook. I settled it with my hands and it never happend again. Where I am from boys settled things with their hands. Kids don't
Fight anymore. That's how's schools get shot up. You spend your whole childhood watching people break
Necks on tv and it looks so easy and fatal. The time comes to fight and they are scared. I grew up fighting my dad had boxing gloves on me since I could walk. I fought golden gloves for close to 1o years. I knew it did not mean death if someone punched me in the face. If a kids writes some smack on Facebook why not go to school and call him out? Instead the school says don't cause it will only get worse. I am not raising a bleeding heart . I come from a long line of Vikings backing down is not an option. Wrong right or indifferent when push comes to shove men in my family will fight wether it is body or name it's all the same.

woodsman86
01-23-2012, 10:45 PM
I can remember only being suspended about a half day at a time whenever I was in a fight. I never picked a fight, but would handle things when needed. My Dad would be standing in the principal's office the next morning and for some reason I was back in class the same day. We were always told to come out on top and don't let anybody push you around. After awhile, the bully type just left me alone because they knew I would lay into given the right situation and be back in school the next day while they were at home dealing with the parents. I think it was an important lesson that carried over with me to the military. Of course now, the Army has a pacification movement that is growing just like the schools. It is just the way of the future, those of us raising tough kids will still come out on top. Kids that have never had to overcome adversity will crack under the slightest pressure in the real world. I see it happen all the time with Soldiers.

BENESSE
01-23-2012, 10:49 PM
It's not as simple as you think, ryaninmichigan.
Why don't you read this and think about the complexity and insidiousness of what's being done.
And then come back and tell me who you gonna send your kid to beat up.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/how_it_works/cyberbullying_by_proxy.html

randyt
01-23-2012, 11:05 PM
I agree with Ryan to a degree but things are different these days. I've seen kids send texts with other kids phones unbeknownst to the owner of the phone. There's been private text's, pictures and such forwarded to a zillion other students.

JPGreco
01-23-2012, 11:12 PM
B is right, there is something really wrong with people today. Not just kids, but people in general. Because of that, our kids pay the price. I'm far from a bleeding heart liberal and would hope my future kids whoop *** on these bullies, but its not the same. They basically assume your identity online and ruin your identity. They can turn your friends and parents on you. If the kids parents aren't doing their job and turn on their kid, where does the kid have to turn? They are left alone to deal with something I think most people would struggle to deal with as adults.

natertot
01-24-2012, 01:24 AM
It's not as simple as you think, ryaninmichigan.
Why don't you read this and think about the complexity and insidiousness of what's being done.
And then come back and tell me who you gonna send your kid to beat up.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/how_it_works/cyberbullying_by_proxy.html

That is why one should monitor computer usage. If someone really wants to be a turd on "facebook" you hit the "unfriend" button and then you block them. I think kids spend too much time on the "tech" stuff these days instead of having actual coversations. I went back to Iowa last summer (where I grew up) and my 17yo brother is texting his 16yo girlfriend......They were both in the same room!!!!! What ever happened to the old form communcation?

I pretty much agree with everything else said. They hit first, they get hit last. Another issue that arises is when a girl hits a boy. For some reason, alot of people think "you can't hit a girl! That just isn't right!" I say if a girl is man enough to hit, they are man enough to be hit.

DO NOT MISSUNDERSTAND THAT SENTANCE. I do NOT promote men hitting women, I DO promote men defending themselves from assailants of the opposite sex.

RandyRhoads
01-24-2012, 01:40 AM
Another issue that arises is when a girl hits a boy. For some reason, alot of people think "you can't hit a girl! That just isn't right!" I say if a girl is man enough to hit, they are man enough to be hit.

DO NOT MISSUNDERSTAND THAT SENTANCE. I do NOT promote men hitting women, I DO promote men defending themselves from assailants of the opposite sex.

Well said. Equal or lesser force.

southard
01-26-2012, 02:52 AM
Sorry but the big call for stopping cyberbullying is being pushed too far the numbers of kids killing themselves are up for two reasons 1) coping mechanisms and social skills are being neglected by parents who are more than happy to give in to kids and be friends and not parents 2) population growth, kids committed suicide while I was growing up there were just less kids. Oh and the inherit cowardly anonymity and confidence gained from the net. Parents send children to school to learn and believe it stops there, they give kids whatever they want so they'll shut up or wont be hip. Kids have always felt despair, lonliness, and disappointment. Thats growing up dealing with adversity and strife. Not all the baby turtles make it to the sea, no matter how hard we try, how many laws are legislated, how much we coddle. Children will still be cruel, cutthroat little animals and find ways to hurt eachother. It still happens as adults office politics, politcs, social circles, intimate relationships you name it. Childhood trains us for it and 99% of the time is successful. Now don't misunderstand me, I believe Life is a fragile thing and should not be taken lightly. There are a good many people who were stopped from committing suicide or had a failed attempt that are strong productive members of society. We shouldn't stop trying to help these these lost souls but we also can't go about dictating emotion and legislating acceptance. Diversity, turmoil, and emotional strife are base human experience and to rid the world of them would be a tragedy in and of itself. Without those three thing we would be bereft of a huge amount of culture. Music that touches the soul, Art that moves the spirit, Poetry and writing that opens worlds. The biggest change that needs to come about is the Interest and participation we take in our children's lives and stop letting them raise themselves or being raised by their peers and electronics.

ryaninmichigan
01-27-2012, 07:02 PM
Sorry but the big call for stopping cyberbullying is being pushed too far the numbers of kids killing themselves are up for two reasons 1) coping mechanisms and social skills are being neglected by parents who are more than happy to give in to kids and be friends and not parents 2) population growth, kids committed suicide while I was growing up there were just less kids. Oh and the inherit cowardly anonymity and confidence gained from the net. Parents send children to school to learn and believe it stops there, they give kids whatever they want so they'll shut up or wont be hip. Kids have always felt despair, lonliness, and disappointment. Thats growing up dealing with adversity and strife. Not all the baby turtles make it to the sea, no matter how hard we try, how many laws are legislated, how much we coddle. Children will still be cruel, cutthroat little animals and find ways to hurt eachother. It still happens as adults office politics, politcs, social circles, intimate relationships you name it. Childhood trains us for it and 99% of the time is successful. Now don't misunderstand me, I believe Life is a fragile thing and should not be taken lightly. There are a good many people who were stopped from committing suicide or had a failed attempt that are strong productive members of society. We shouldn't stop trying to help these these lost souls but we also can't go about dictating emotion and legislating acceptance. Diversity, turmoil, and emotional strife are base human experience and to rid the world of them would be a tragedy in and of itself. Without those three thing we would be bereft of a huge amount of culture. Music that touches the soul, Art that moves the spirit, Poetry and writing that opens worlds. The biggest change that needs to come about is the Interest and participation we take in our children's lives and stop letting them raise themselves or being raised by their peers and electronics.


" We shouldn't stop trying to help these these lost souls but we also can't go about dictating emotion and legislating acceptance. Diversity, turmoil, and emotional strife are base human experience and to rid the world of them would be a tragedy in and of itself"

Well said

Rick
01-27-2012, 10:33 PM
Bullying has nothing to do with schools. It may manifest itself there because of the numbers and proximity of kids but bullying starts with parents that are bullies. Kids that are bullies act that way no matter where they are and it lasts their whole life so they can raise their kids the same way.

There is NEVER an excuse to put your hands on a woman. A man walks away. That's just another form of bullying.

Highhawk1948
01-27-2012, 10:49 PM
I agree with dscrick. Only time my Daughter had problems I visited with the kids parents and we settled it between the parents. But then again today I think that parents don't believe their kids do any wrong these days.

Winter
01-28-2012, 12:15 AM
Kids these days are spoiled rotten. They kill themselves over mommy not buying them the newest cellphone.

I know many won't agree with me, but, as in most things, I don't care.

I'd like a wilderness school that takes these kids into the bush where they can decide to live or die the old way.

I guarantee you the most obnoxious, spoiled brat will be your little helper 3 days in. I'm tired of whiners.



ETA- Cyber bullying? Get offline.

"Well why should these kids not get to use the internet?" Cause they can't handle it.

BENESSE
01-28-2012, 12:32 AM
Winter, I can't figure out if you're refering to the bullys or the the victims. There is a difference.

Winter
01-28-2012, 12:39 AM
I was referring to the "victims". They choose to be victims. They may have low self esteem, no experience with loss or perceived loss, or just dumbasses.

Bully's are everywhere. The key is not to eradicate bullies, the key is to teach people how to deal with bullies.

Two ways.

1. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

2. Open a can of whoopass.

BENESSE
01-28-2012, 12:47 AM
Substitute "criminal" for "bully" and see how it plays out.

natertot
01-28-2012, 11:34 AM
Substitute "criminal" for "bully" and see how it plays out.

Then you go for option 2!

No one makes the choice to be a victim, per se. People do make rather poor choices without thinking about the end result which often leads to victimization. Ei, a small woman walking alone in a crime ridden neighborhood wearing extremely nice clothes and has a huge designer purse over her shoulder wouldn't make it one block without something happening. However, a group of 5-6 women sticking close together with small purses concealed under their coats and keeping an eye on their surroundings would be okay, more than likely.

In short, you can't make yourself a "target".

Rick, you say that a man should never put their hands on a woman and always walk away. I met a man shot twice in the back doing that. I also met a man that received multiple cuts from a kitchen knife also heeding that advice. There is also a man running around with permanent brain damage do to head trauma from a sevcere beating. If I remember on that one, the lady used a kitchen chair.

In short, I don't care if it is a man or women, I will protect myself and my family. However, I wouldn't fight a woman that runs her mouth. That I would always walk away from.

Rick
01-28-2012, 04:39 PM
There is a difference between being a victim and a man. That's not what I'm talking about. If a woman wants to take a gun or knife to me I wouldn't have the slightest problem shooting her. If she decides to take a swing at me I'll walk away. Huge difference.

BENESSE
01-28-2012, 05:15 PM
I also thought we were talking about kids being bullied which is very different from adults.
The rules are very different when it comes to children and those who can't tell the difference deserve to be taken to the woodshed.

southard
01-28-2012, 05:16 PM
One thing that I'm seeing that connects every post is that a wide brush is being used. For me when I said lost souls I also meant the bullies. Not every situation fits into a neat mold. Legislation can only be very specific or so broad that it can be abused or at least interpreted so many ways that it becomes impotent. Suicide is not someone killing themselves (except possibly in terminal illness) but killing the whole world.

Winter
01-28-2012, 05:22 PM
Substitute "criminal" for "bully" and see how it plays out.

Criminals are everywhere. The key is not to eradicate criminals, the key is to teach people how to deal with criminals.

One way.

1. Open a can of whoopass.

BENESSE
01-28-2012, 05:32 PM
Prisons are full of people who thought they were doing the right thing.
Leave your whoopass and short fuse at the door and think it through before you fly off the handle. Be smart about it.

Winter
01-28-2012, 07:14 PM
Prisons are full of people who thought they were doing the right thing.


No they aren't. You got statistics for that or did it come to you in a dream?

Rick
01-28-2012, 07:22 PM
I don't think a can of whoopass is the answer either. For one, the criminal might be carrying a bigger can. For two, you might be taking a can to a knife or gun fight. For three, you might not have a can. A 60 year old up against two or three 20 somethings doesn't even warrant a can opener.

Now scale that back to a kids level and the same thing applies. Violence does not solve a lot of problems.

BENESSE
01-28-2012, 07:47 PM
No they aren't. You got statistics for that or did it come to you in a dream?

The statistics came up in my dream. :sneaky2:

Winter
01-28-2012, 10:52 PM
So, you do have some factual basis for that statement or no?

Rick
01-28-2012, 10:57 PM
80% of statistics are made up on the spot 70% of the time. Next question.

BENESSE
01-29-2012, 12:09 AM
So, you do have some factual basis for that statement or no?

I do. I really do. But let's not kid ourselves...it's not gonna sway you one way or another. And that's OK.
Sometimes we get it when we least expect it.

natertot
01-29-2012, 01:33 AM
Good discussion.

Benesse, prisons are not full of people who thought they were doing the right thing. They are full of people who thought they could get away with it. Also, there is a much smaller line between kids and adults now. Guns, drugs, babies, STD's, cars, and money. Kids have really stepped up the past few decades. A few months ago, I got into a tussle at work with a guy, turned out he was a 12yo runaway.

Rick and Winter, the "can" maybe the solution depending on what the problem is. Someone keeps running their mouth? let 'em. Someone wants your lunch money? Report 'em. Someone threatening violence against you? Evade and survive if possible. If not, I prefer a suckerpunch.

1stimestar
01-29-2012, 05:12 AM
Yea, I don't have the energy to deal with this thread. I spend it on my children, who are not spoiled brats.

Wildthang
01-29-2012, 08:48 AM
Well, I guess the best advise I could give for kids, is to teach them to ignore the cyber bullies, and the school bullies that just try to intimmidate everybody around them. But you should also teach them that when getting physical is the last resort, do not hesitate! Hesitation will get you hurt or killed! I know that is an over simplified answer but it has always worked for me and my kids.

natertot
01-29-2012, 10:07 AM
Well, I guess the best advise I could give for kids, is to teach them to ignore the cyber bullies, and the school bullies that just try to intimmidate everybody around them. But you should also teach them that when getting physical is the last resort, do not hesitate! Hesitation will get you hurt or killed! I know that is an over simplified answer but it has always worked for me and my kids.

+1 on that.

LowKey
01-29-2012, 01:46 PM
I think Benesse meant that there are people in prison who thought they were doing the right thing and it's the criminal side of the argument that walked. These days, you take a swing at someone, even provoked and if you don't have witnesses to the precipitating event, you find yourself up on charges of assault and battery. In some states you can still be brought up on civil charges even if you are aquitted of self-defense charges. There's a lawyer for everything.

There is also the element of cyber bullying, as she pointed out, where contact information is given out by the bully that could put the other child in serious danger.

Warheit
01-29-2012, 02:40 PM
Victims of bullying don't choose to be victims. That's an absolutely ludicrous statement.

Winter
01-29-2012, 05:11 PM
People do choose whether or not their feelings are hurt.

If you are not physically damaged by the bullies, then it's your decision whether or not you are a victim.

"Hey little Susie, you're fat! Hahaha"

What does little Susie do? She can run off crying or she can say; "Hey Bully, go F%$# yourself." or" Hey thanks, I thought my mirror at home was broken" or "Well you are the fat and ugly expert" or "I learned it from your mom" etc etc.

When you raise kids to be pansies, the only option they have is cowardice and hurt feelings.

You raise them to never back down. If it comes to violence, then it comes to violence. Whoopee do.

I can look back at my life and can't find a single instance where less violence was called for. I can, however, see 30 people who I should have punched in the face.

Rick
01-29-2012, 05:15 PM
I do agree with you on name calling. Words only have power if you give them power. I also agree in defending yourself. I'm just not a believer in offensive violence. I understand and respect your position though.

Winter
01-29-2012, 05:18 PM
I didn't propose offensive violence.

Rick
01-29-2012, 05:25 PM
Mea Culpa. Misread your post. Sorry.

LowKey
01-29-2012, 05:36 PM
Winter, that's great in hindsight viewed by an adult, but as an adult you have to take an active interest in teaching your kids how to respond to such taunts. Your responses to "you're fat" aren't something a 6-year-old can come up with on their own. A lot of parents just don't take the time. Or they themselves just don't know how.

Winter
01-29-2012, 05:38 PM
I agree with you Lowkey. Fortunately(?) my kids are smartass enough to come up with that kinda stuff. I don't know where they get it from, must be their mom....

Rick
01-29-2012, 07:35 PM
Yeah, mom.

intothenew
01-29-2012, 09:22 PM
A child needs to feel the support of a tribe, a strong tribe. That can be intellectual, brawn, or both. How they emulate that can be suspect.

Pure brawn, we get baby huey or the bully.

Pure intellect, we get the nerd or prodigy.

It is the tribe's responsibility to comfort and care for those personalities.

Reaction to the bully is simply intellectual delay. He/she is looking for instant gratification. A team effort in negative response sends the offender off to different hunting grounds. Interact with a child, in all of their endeavors. The response to physical brawn has been discussed, simply let the offender know that they are going to get hurt, win, lose, or draw.

Baby huey is a joy, simply introduce some intellect.

The nerd can be the most dangerous, creating problems well beyond their years. Make sure they feel the earth, make sure they feel the emotions of those around them.

The prodigy needs the same nurture as the nerd, but with reservation. A gifted child needs to be allowed their own way, within reason.

BENESSE
01-29-2012, 10:59 PM
Wise assessment, intothenew.
It really all comes down to the home. Nurturing well adjusted children takes time and attention; so they don't have the need to bully or don't lack self esteem to stand up for themselves. It's a balancing act from cradle to the grave.

Winter
01-29-2012, 11:21 PM
That is a wise assessment for sure. Balance in all things.

Rick
01-30-2012, 09:06 AM
We tend to parent the way we were parented. It's the only model we know and for most we view our parents as being right so we emulate their behavior. There are exceptions of course especially where that behavior is excessive. But it is the reason that spouse and child abuse carry on from generation to generation. It's important if you are a new parent to objectively assess the parenting you received and ask yourself if you want your children to be raised the way you were raised. If the answer is no then I urge you to seek counseling in order to get help to reshape that model and your parenting skills. Sadly, the two things we don't do well in this country is teach our children how to be parents and how to handle finances. Most learn be trial and error with often tragic consequences.

Warheit
01-30-2012, 02:38 PM
Words only have power if you give them power.

Most linguistic anthropologists would disagree with you.

BENESSE
01-30-2012, 03:04 PM
Most linguistic anthropologists would disagree with you.

That's probably true. The law also doesn't look kindly on calling someone names as in slander. But I'm sure Rick meant it in a superficial way...sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. And there is some truth to that. At some point we need to distinguish between the relative merits of letting go and taking issue with.

Rick
01-30-2012, 06:16 PM
Call me whatever you want. I can only get mad over it if I allow myself to get mad. If I choose not to get mad then your words are meaningless. Unless you call me a linguistic anthropologist, then the fight is on. (Anyone know what that is? I know it can't be good)

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