View Full Version : What is "Conspiracy"
Sourdough
11-26-2011, 01:37 PM
What is your understanding of the word conspiracy.....? And also what it the legal definition of the word conspiracy....?
The word conspiracy has a very heavy sinister/evil tone to it.
pete lynch
11-26-2011, 01:42 PM
I always think of it as a plot or plan developed in secrecy by a group or individual to thwart the goals or ambitions of another group or individual. Or to separate them from their money.
crashdive123
11-26-2011, 01:45 PM
I always thought of it as two or more people getting together to plan or execute an act that is most likely illegal.
Here's the dictionary definition.
conspiracy
[kuhn-spir-uh-see]
noun, plural -cies.
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law . an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
I believe that in most contexts where it is used on the www thingy are regarding theories surrounding perceived conspiracies. It is my belief that the majority of those come from the minds of really bored folks that either want to see what kind of poo the can stir up, or folks with serious psychological disorders. Many believers (followers) of some of the more outlandish "theories" lack the mental capacity or stamina for research to formulate their own thoughts on the subject.
Sourdough
11-26-2011, 02:05 PM
Where this came up is, someone was convicted of Meth conspiracy. Now I don't really know what that is, but it got me thinking about some of the things that I have said in the past, and I wonder just where the line is between conspiracy and "Contingency Planning".......????
If it's the Homer guy he was sentenced for "conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine". He was pretty dumb about the whole thing, too.
"Conspiracy cases are defined as cases in which two or more persons agree to commit a crime or to perpetrate an illegal act. The end may be legal, but the planned means are illegal. For example, two persons making a plan to steal bread from a supermarket (illegal) to donate to a local food bank (legal) would be guilty of conspiracy. While intent is key in any federal conspiracy case, only “general intent” to violate the law is necessary; proof of the defendants’ specific intent to violate the law is not needed, only an agreement to engage in an illegal act."
shiftyer1
11-26-2011, 03:30 PM
I may be wrong but I think meth conspiracy is something along the lines of guys a &b get the materials and start cooking or distributing and Mr. C gave some input or was hanging around while this was going on. Unable to prove Mr. C was cooking or selling they can prove he was around when this was going on.
Thats my understanding although i'm sure someone will come along that is more knowledgeable.
Sourdough
11-26-2011, 03:59 PM
OK, so it seems that some of the contingency things that some of us talk about "if" the SHTF, could be interpreted as conspiracy to commit an illegal act. For example if 3 of us neighbors had a plan to block the road into our village to stop a hoard or gang, by felling trees, and destroying the road with heavy equipment. Or what if people had a contingency plan to obstruct a runway or bridge.
Shifter - You don't even have to go that far. Just talk to an undercover or informant about wanting to make or distribute it is conspiracy. You've shown intent.
SD - Yes, I would think you are correct.
SARKY
11-26-2011, 06:23 PM
So in reality, they are the mind police? I would think that proving intent would be impossible unless you openly express your intent.
That's what I said to Shifter. If one of the guys he's talking to is undercover or decides to flip because the police have something illegal on him then the best he can hope for is to defend himself in court. When you start talking to others about destroying city, county, state or federal property that's some serious stuff. If someone needs a little leverage to keep themselves out of trouble then the "SHTF" scenario suddenly becomes "he wanted to do it" scenario. That's shaky ground I'd never want to walk on. A secret is only a secret until you tell one other person.
Sourdough
11-26-2011, 07:06 PM
I would sure like a LOT more clarity on this. If I over heard a group of young men say, "If we get hungry, we'll go beat the snot out of that Ole Sourdough and take his food". How does inserting the word "IF" change intent.......?
BENESSE
11-26-2011, 07:18 PM
On a similar note, here's something I could never quite get and it happens often in domestic violence.
Woman leaves abusive husband. He threatens her. She takes out an order of protection. He stalks her and continues to make threats. People hear him make threats. She goes to the police and they say, there's nothing we can do unless he actually acts. In some cases, when he acts, he kills her, or at best maims her for life after which he's put in jail.
Well?
rebel
11-26-2011, 07:28 PM
Sounds like a "loose lips sink ships" thingie. Ain't good 'cause by now, in a small town, everyone knows.
natertot
11-26-2011, 09:21 PM
Ohio law defines it in ORC 2923.01 "With Purpose, to commit, promote or facilitate the commission of a crime"
Basically, you put forth effort in a plan to accomplish a crime, or to encourage someone else to commit the crime.
Purely a layman's perspective but that sounds right to me, natertot. That would demonstrate intent. I guess my concern in SD's situation is just talking about "what ifs" and "maybe's" doesn't put you in hot water. However, let one of those guys get arrested and he might just cut a deal to save his own skin. Suddenly that "What if" turns into, "He told me he was planning to". Now he has to defend himself. I'm not saying it would happen. Just saying it dangerous territory. Or....one of those guys is at the gas station tellin' old Joe how they plan to save their skins when SHTF and by the time it get's to the Sheriff and the Grand Jury it's a whole different story.
We all know the friend of a friend's cousin's wife that got arrested because so and so.........And we've all played the telephone game.
BENESSE
11-26-2011, 11:45 PM
Purely a layman's perspective but that sounds right to me, natertot. That would demonstrate intent. I guess my concern in SD's situation is just talking about "what ifs" and "maybe's" doesn't put you in hot water. However, let one of those guys get arrested and he might just cut a deal to save his own skin. Suddenly that "What if" turns into, "He told me he was planning to". Now he has to defend himself. I'm not saying it would happen. Just saying it dangerous territory. Or....one of those guys is at the gas station tellin' old Joe how they plan to save their skins when SHTF and by the time it get's to the Sheriff and the Grand Jury it's a whole different story.
We all know the friend of a friend's cousin's wife that got arrested because so and so.........And we've all played the telephone game.
Oh, where's Ken when we need him!
For argument's sake, (IMHO) making plans (no matter how outrageous) for WTSHTF in some distant future, is no more "actionable" than saying you'll do x, y, z, when the comet hits or JC comes down for the final rapture.
If we arrested all the nuts, we wouldn't have a forum.
Sourdough
11-27-2011, 01:06 AM
If we arrested all the nuts, we wouldn't have a forum.
And that Lady should be your "Signature".
You missed my point. It starts out that we'll do X,Y,Z when the comet hits and by the time it makes it's way through five more people it becomes, they are planning X,Y,Z.
natertot
11-27-2011, 08:48 PM
You missed my point. It starts out that we'll do X,Y,Z when the comet hits and by the time it makes it's way through five more people it becomes, they are planning X,Y,Z.
That is why you don't hear second, third, etc witness accounts on trial, only firsthand accounts. Also, even for an officer to make an arrest, he must have either evidence or at least a few signed statements from first hand witnesses. If it isn't true, most "witnesses" won't sign a statement because of falsification charges that follow.
It would still have to be investigated. If someone comes to you and says, "Old natertot is fixin' to blow up the Twinkie factory." There WILL be an investigation.
natertot
11-28-2011, 12:12 AM
It would still have to be investigated. If someone comes to you and says, "Old natertot is fixin' to blow up the Twinkie factory." There WILL be an investigation.
Only becasue Rick is the Chief of Police!!!!!!!
Seriously, yeah. Things will get looked into. If police get wind that someone will blow up the twinkie factory, it must be looked into. It is far better to detain a person, charges pending, and have things dropped than to have several hundred dead and a world without twinkies.
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03-14-2026, 03:34 AM
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