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I've posted from time to time that I spend a good bit of time looking through old refugee photographs looking at the reason for their status, what they are carrying, what their success appears to be and so on. I've done this for several years and I've learned a lot about the terrible plight of mankind down through the ages. But there are some broad generalizations that I can offer based on my research.
1. Refugees, historically, have been created as an act of war. While I would have thought natural disasters would have been the driving force more refugees appear to be created out of war and more are affected at one time because of war. (Mankind vs. Nature).
2. Refugees never carry firearms. That sort of goes with the war thing above I guess, not wanting to get shot and all, but none carry them even for food collection.
3. Where refugees are there is almost never wild animals. They've been killed thanks to artillery, tanks, bombs, etc. or the natural disaster that occurred.
4. Refugees begin with lots of "stuff" usually pushing or pulling carts, sometimes with horses. This is almost always the first step of being uprooted. They are taking all they can.
5, In the end they always have nothing but the clothes on their backs. No food, no water, nothing. One battle sticks out in my mind because of the plight of refugees. It is the Battle in Volkhovsky Forest. The refugees were cared for by both German and Russian soldiers. In some sections of the forest all the trees have been stripped down to the sapwood as high as people could reach because they ate the phloem and cambium layers.
6. People always help people. It's sort of an unspoken creed. Even enemy soldiers will help one another when it's down to starvation and certain death if BOTH are facing the same fate.
7. Refugees have been minimal in the U.S. and most driven by natural disaster except during the Civil War. The same rules apply however. They start with as much as they can carry and end up with the clothes on their backs. You will find very few instances where refugees in the U.S. are toting weapons.
My initial goal was to understand what refugees rely on and what keeps them alive. Surely, there were lessons to be learned from those that have been forced into these situations. The lessons are:
a. No one was ever prepared even when they knew war was in their backyard.
b. Everyone becomes a refugee. Even if you are bugging out to some other location, you are still a refugee. Sometimes if you are a soldier you are still a refugee.
c. We are in a unique time frame in human history in which we have the capability to actually be prepared and move from one place to another with more than the clothes on our backs....I think.
d. There is never food in the woods unless you are looking at the trees. Animals are gone or dead and plants have been destroyed.
c. People have to help people. Individuals do not survive on their own.
I have no scientific evidence to back up anything I've posted. It's just my observations from looking through countless photos and reading as much about the circumstance as possible. Except for current technology (canned goods, freeze dried food, etc) we are no different than any past generation and can look forward to much the same fate if we find ourselves in a refugee status.
crashdive123
11-14-2011, 08:35 PM
Interesting post. Thanks.
rebel
11-14-2011, 08:37 PM
Thanks for the time put into the research. A few years ago I was looking at displaced persons. It's good to educate and possibly prepare for a similar event. Anyway, something that I noticed and could be feasible was bicycle transportation.
Sparky93
11-14-2011, 08:38 PM
Interesting to think about, thanks for the post.
hunter63
11-14-2011, 08:49 PM
Interesting for you to pick this subject......I always thought of homeless as ultimate 'survivors", but refugees probably had a harder row to hoe, simply because of numbers at any one given time.
Something to think about.
Bicycles were a lesser mode of transport that carts, whether people drawn/pushed or horse drawn. However, in the end, and it's interesting to note that it wasn't just winter but also in spring rains that bicycles and carts were both gone. They were down to hoofing it. Wheeled devices don't go well in mud and snow.
rebel
11-14-2011, 09:13 PM
Something else was timing (luck). Crossing an international border. Too early or late and you could be turned away. Crossing an international border also changed your classification.
One thing I noticed, was all through history especially in Europe during war all arms have been taken away from civilians. That was the first thing envading forces would do, next was ways of communition. Something to think about for sure.
Actually, that's not true. When the U.S. entered a town in WWII one of the things they did was to confiscate all weapons and pile them into a huge pile in the center of town. The G.I.s were allowed to take any of the weapons they wanted and send them home. Guys did that until they got tired of sending stuff home then they just destroyed them. The Germans especially were very well armed with hunting rifles, shotguns and even pistols to a lesser degree. This was true as well in Italy and to a much smaller degree in North Africa. French shotguns acquired by many U.S. soldiers during the war are pretty common as well. I'm sure many on here have weapons their fathers and grandfathers sent home from WWII. To my knowledge, the only group that actually had weapons confiscated were the Jewish citizens. The Americans were the ones that actually confiscated arms!
WWI saw similar instances but private weapons ownership just wasn't that great in the former Ottoman Empire, Ukraine, the Sinai-Palestine region or even Samoa, which was a German colony at the time. Folks just couldn't afford them in those regions. However, there was no mass confiscation in any of those areas.
SARKY
11-15-2011, 01:26 PM
I will contend that refugees are not only a product of war. During the dust bowl years here in the US we had refugees leaving the mid-west for other states. In fact many were turned away at the borders of other states. which presents yet another problem. What happens when they are stacked up at the border of another country/state/county or town?
I never said war was the only reason. I said it was most often the reason and produced more refugees during a given time. My contention, which I outlined it parenthesis, was Mankind vs. Nature. I even went on to say that Nature was the most common cause in the U.S. except during the Civil War.
It really didn't matter where refugees ended up. I found many instances where refugee camps were established at or near borders. The point is when they got there they didn't have anything even when they started out with everything they could carry.
I find it hard to believe that we would be any different if we saw a mass migration from, say, California eastward. Folks would pile everything they could in their car or truck and would drive until they ran out of gas and money. Then, if they still needed to continue east they would begin walking with as much as they could carry dropping stuff along the way until they were left with little or nothing.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
11-15-2011, 01:41 PM
Very interesting read Rick! Thanks!
SARKY
11-15-2011, 01:46 PM
There kind of is a mass migration out of California going on right now. The problem is it is mostly hard working good people who are leaving.
That has always occurred from time frame to time frame based on where the work is and/or costs associated with living in a location. The biggest migration of course was from rural American to the cities during the industrial revolution, primarily to the steel industry but manufacturing in general. A second migration occurred, although smaller and more fragmented, as manufacturing jobs left.Today, and most folks don't realize it exists, we have more families separated because of work than ever before. The husband, typically, leaves to another town to work returning only when he can. This is fairly unprecedented in our society on this scale. I'll bet most of you know some family in this situation.
Sourdough
11-15-2011, 02:13 PM
Interesting thread. Thanks Rick. "The trail of Tears" comes to mind.
BENESSE
11-15-2011, 03:36 PM
Today, and most folks don't realize it exists, we have more families separated because of work than ever before. The husband, typically, leaves to another town to work returning only when he can. This is fairly unprecedented in our society on this scale. I'll bet most of you know some family in this situation.
We lived apart for 2.5 years because of our jobs. Saw each other once a month since we couldn't afford to fly or take the time to drive.
You do whatever you have to do to better your future; some of our early ancestors did it, and some of us continue to do it. I am glad that spirit still lives on.
Sourdough - I grew up just 20 miles from where the Trail of Tears went through S. Illinois. Truly a dark chapter in American history.
Thanks Rick for setting me straight. I was on the trail of tears one time on vacation in Arkansas, what a different feeling that was. In Michigan is the trail of death, where the Potowatmi were taken from Michigan to Ok. with the rest of the Native Americans.
Tank - I wasn't trying to set you straight. I do try to correct misconceptions when they are posted as I hope others do if I post something incorrect. If we all agree to do that without anyone taking offense then we can ensure that we have correct information available to everyone and that, I think, is the name of the game.
Sourdough
11-15-2011, 08:36 PM
Don't worry Tank, trying to get Ricks mind right about economic stuff, is my burden in life........Hehehehehe
BENESSE
11-15-2011, 10:28 PM
Just be glad you don't have to carry him, SD.
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