View Full Version : Darwin and the survival of the fittest?
SemperFi
10-31-2011, 10:13 AM
I dont believe he meant humans when he initially came up with this theory or domesticated pets or even "food" animals , in the animal kingdom theres no shame if your weak ,you just become food for the strong , in the human world weakness could be many things , a human who has weak body strength ,but who has money will out survive the strongest, kinda defeats the theory doesnt it? I dont mean to bash the weak , or even flame some of you here , but the bottom line is this ,the world population has risen to 7 billion , we cannot sustain that rate of birth much longer as a world , the theory needs to be re-instated , all the people in northern africa for example , need to die off , I know it sounds bad , but they never should have been born !Its takes 2 extra people to keep one of these people alive , and they will never contribute to the whole of the world !
Look I dont know the answer and Im not just picking on Afrikans , but the world resources will deminish at a faster rate now , now that the worlds human population has increased so much (especially if it continues at this rate of births) , Plague will occurr , it has to , ever notice notice when the rodent population gets out of hand , what happens? Remember Rabbits many years back exploded all across America and even in Australia , then a virus of some sort took hold and wiped them out , its lifes way of cleaning the herd ! It needs to happen in the human race as well , I think even the worlds leaders know this and will let it happen in the coming years even though there will vaccines for it !
Flame away! Im not trying to bash or make a religious statement or anything else Im stating the fact that our world population is out of control , and that either a virus of the earth or and man made virus will indeed attack us
You're making the assumption that all goods and resources are uniformly distributed world wide, which just isn't the case. There are tens of thousands staving right now while we had seconds on that pie last night. If you live in a country of haves the world could be 50 billion and the odds are you will still eat well. If you live in a country of have nots then the world population could be 1 billion and you'd still be starving. It's not about contribution or weakness. It's about living in a country that nurtures crop cultivation with proper rainfall, fertile soils and a reasonable growing season. If you don't live in that country then you'll spend your days trying to find food.
Those Africans that you talk about are having disproportionally more children because they hope one or two survive. It takes a combination of good nutrition, proper medical care, education, and a drastic change in the way men view women in that part of the world. And I'm not even including the epidemic of rapes that occur.
AIDS is a epidemic so perverse that many nations have an average age of 16. 16!!!!! In Uganda it is 15, in Niger, 15.2. In Congo, Chad and Ethiopia it's 16. And the birth rate is still outstripping the death rate.
The planet will continue to support human life as long as you live in the right country.
You should read the book Guns, Germs and Steel by Jarod Diamond.
hunter63
10-31-2011, 11:26 AM
IMHO 911 has destroyed Darwin's Theory.......
crashdive123
10-31-2011, 12:14 PM
Wait a second. There was pie......and seconds.....and I wasn't invited?
southard
10-31-2011, 12:30 PM
If there was strawberry ruhbarb Im gonna be pissed
natertot
10-31-2011, 01:03 PM
If there was strawberry ruhbarb Im gonna be pissed
I'm right behind you on that one!
DOGMAN
10-31-2011, 02:05 PM
I dont believe he meant humans when he initially came up with this theory or domesticated pets or even "food" animals , in the animal kingdom theres no shame if your weak ,you just become food for the strong , in the human world weakness could be many things , a human who has weak body strength ,but who has money will out survive the strongest, kinda defeats the theory doesnt it? I dont mean to bash the weak , or even flame some of you here , but the bottom line is this ,the world population has risen to 7 billion , we cannot sustain that rate of birth much longer as a world , the theory needs to be re-instated , all the people in northern africa for example , need to die off , I know it sounds bad , but they never should have been born !Its takes 2 extra people to keep one of these people alive , and they will never contribute to the whole of the world !
Look I dont know the answer and Im not just picking on Afrikans , but the world resources will deminish at a faster rate now , now that the worlds human population has increased so much (especially if it continues at this rate of births) , Plague will occurr , it has to , ever notice notice when the rodent population gets out of hand , what happens? Remember Rabbits many years back exploded all across America and even in Australia , then a virus of some sort took hold and wiped them out , its lifes way of cleaning the herd ! It needs to happen in the human race as well , I think even the worlds leaders know this and will let it happen in the coming years even though there will vaccines for it !
Flame away! Im not trying to bash or make a religious statement or anything else Im stating the fact that our world population is out of control , and that either a virus of the earth or and man made virus will indeed attack us
There's alot going on here....first and most important, Darwin, didn't come up with the phrase "survival of the fittest"....Herbert Spencer did.
Next, the whole concept of Evolution thats based on Darwins theories has nothing to do with "strengths or weakness" it has to do with genetic variations in a species, environmental factors, mutations, adaptations and time. I suggest you actually read "Origin of Species" before you try to theorize what he was really trying to say...
rwc1969
10-31-2011, 04:26 PM
We'll figure out a way to get the numbers down before Ma Nature does.
Aurelius95
10-31-2011, 04:30 PM
I think there is a lot of fear in your statement, and I wouldn't bunch all populations together. Lots going on in Africa, and other parts of the world. Doesn't mean they need to "die off" though.
Hey Dogman - You might be surprised to learn that it was Robert Seldon that coined the phrase "Well, I'll be da&&ed". Robert was a little known gas station attendant in the early '60s. Actually, he was kinda slow. He wrote letter to the editor in which he theorized, even back then, that if they would stop taking those babies out of women the world population would stabilize. Just leave them in there. He figured it was a waste of time taking them out because somehow they always got replaced and then they'd have to take that one out, too. He even suggested they put babies back in women to lower the birth rate. Someone took him aside and told him how babies happened to which he replied, you guessed it, "well I'll be da&&ed." No one could figure out why he used the two & signs, though.
kyratshooter
10-31-2011, 06:15 PM
From what I can tell the people on the African plains have always been starving. It is a permenant condition and they simply continue starving and reproducing through eternity. I think it might be viewed as some form of hell here on earth. Karma sends you back as a Somalian if you don't act right in this life.
Wasn't the entire population of sub-saharan Africa suposed to have been wiped out with Aids by now if we did not devote all our rescources to saving them?
That ranks right up there with Global warming as misguided logic.
One of the basic problems man kind has right now is the absence of a global pestliance just to remind us we are not in charge. The only problem with indiscriminate killers is that they wipe out the just and the unjust. It's like the old tee shirt I had with the bear in the cross hairs pointing to his buddy.
Once, as a small boy, I was riding through down town Nashville, TN with my Grandad. We passed over the bridge at Union Terminal where about 100 lines of track entered the depot.
He pointed to the half mile long depot platform and told me he had seen that platform lined from end to end with coffins stacked three high, waiting for shipment home, during the 1918 flu epidemic.
Be careful what you wish on others, it may come home to rest.
mouse111111
10-31-2011, 07:27 PM
But Kyrat he isnt going to get the pestilence because he doesnt eat out, remember.
southard
10-31-2011, 08:06 PM
What are you all thinking? I mean, a well thought out informed opinion based on logic, research, and little forethought in todays society. You all should be ashamed.
southard
10-31-2011, 08:13 PM
basically he's sayin what the W. VA shepard said to his son when asked "what to do with the flock when it's cold out?" Th reply being "F*#% 'em boy!" :o
mpatton
10-31-2011, 09:28 PM
Lets colonize the Moon :thumbup1:!... Oh wait, Obama killed the space program :glare:
JPGreco
10-31-2011, 09:48 PM
Dogman is correct in the fact that you are infering that the statement survival of the fittest has anything to do with the individual's situation in life. It has to do with the ability of a species over the long term to adapt to changes in it's ecosystem and to weed out genetic mutations that are not advantageous to the species. Examples abound.
I will support the concept that mankind reached a pinnacle that now allows genetic weakness and liabilities to continue on in the species. 1,000 years ago, if you came down with diabetes, you died, which potentially removed that genetic marker from the population. If you had a mental or physical disability and nobody to look after you, you died, removing those genetic markers from the population. In today's society, we've used our biggest advantage to overcome genetic flaws that should be removing themselves from populations under the concept or survival of the fittest.
vahtryn
11-01-2011, 12:55 AM
For some reason this thread brings up Gary Larsen for me. I'd go on about the whole "genetic survival" rant but what's the point? I have a genetic defect and I made certain it can't be passed on. Big deal. I'm also part of that 1% those occupy people ***** about, but then again so are most of them. They're not living dirt poor like others in different countries around the world.
As to the Gary Larsen, here you guys go.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/152/birthmark.jpg
Phaedrus
11-01-2011, 02:06 AM
Much of the work of evolution is derived from "genetic drift", that is random mutations. These mutations can be beneficial, harmful, or in most cases a wash providing no benefit or harm. In broad terms, those mutations that improve an organism's ability to survive in its environment are adaptions and are more likely to be passed on. Obviously things that hinder an organisms ability to survive long enough to reproduce will be less likely to be passed on. With humans it's not so obvious just which traits are useful. Certainly physical strength is nearly irrelevant for a human in the "First World"; it's no necessary to be strong when machines do our work. The modern world is its own ecosystem or environment, and if it endures then humans will continue to develop traits that make one successful within that system. Of course, it will suck for those humans adapted to that system if it does go away.
It seems that intelligence is the most powerful human ability. There's no point in time where humans were ever the strongest or fastest animals in their ecosystem but we seem to have been "apex predators" for nearly a million years. Almost certainly our intelligence, not our brawn, was the reason behind this.
canid
11-01-2011, 02:50 AM
those mutations that improve an organism's ability to survive in its environment are adaptions and are more likely to be passed on.
a frequently overlooked aspect is that any change which does not present a detriment is retained, and not only those which offer benefit. a reproductive advantage will certainly outpace a lateral adaptation, but both may survive and this is also part of the process of splitting. this is even true of minor detriments that do not lead to outright prevention of successful reproduction. since these splits occur within at least initially reproductively compatible populations, both beneficial and detrimental feedback can occurr.
further, since not all genetic variables are expressible in all lineages, the inclusion of a beneficial or detrimental trait may be included in a successive population with no expression at all.
in genetics we are discussing a system more complicated, more dynamic and often less predictable than superficial examination often suggests. the same is probably true of culture; which combines the influences of environment and genetics with those of belief and knowledge in even greater complexity.
I shudder to think of what would happen to our sense of human identity if complex cultures interacted and conflicted with one another across a speciation gap. we hardly understand one another while the differences are superficial.
Phaedrus
11-01-2011, 07:26 AM
I was generalizing. The subject is extraordinarily complex; I'm not a geneticist, just a laymen with an interest. You're of course correct. People really misunderstand the entire process of evolution. Some think it's organisms "getting better and better" or moving from a state of low complexity to a state of high complexity- while those things can happen there's no certainty they will. There's no "designer" or plan to the process, nor does it "think" or "decide" anything. Many of its products "dead end" when conditions change.
kyratshooter
11-01-2011, 09:28 AM
If you folks could only see what a school teacher sees from year to year!
The end is near!
If you folks could only see what school kids see from year to year!!!
The old folks have sure messed things up.
SemperFi
11-01-2011, 10:40 AM
Im not theorizing anything nor am I walking on Darwins theory , It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see whats happening to this planet? Think about it , whether its the afrikans fault or not that they are the have nots , just creating life to to have one or two die anyway because theres no food , doesnt mean having 14 kids will ensure survival! All will die and disease will be rampant because of it! I dont care who coined the term survival of the fittest , think about it for a minute , when bulls fight in the field what are they fighting for? Does the female go after the weakiling? No she does not , in the human world thats not the case , the weakling may just come out the winner , but what does this do for the survival rate of humans in the long run? Ever watch the tv show "survivor" the spineless wimp can win , but in a real world scenario , would he/she win ? If surviving meant pulling your weight , skill at hunting , etc , he may just become part of the food chain!
I wont be surrounded by people who cant pull there weight , even if its family (I know this is a touchy subject , because some of you will just say I'd rather die than leave my loved ones) , which brings up another point , the "walking dead" touches on this subject , should they keep surviving , or just die , this is where the strongest will survive , not the smartest , the strongest !
I dont need to be a scholar and have read books on surviving , most of which were written by those who didnt do the surviving , I have eyes and ears , I can see and hear whats going on in this world!
Beans
11-01-2011, 11:56 AM
Maybe we could start by eliminating the Israelis, never mind that has been tried before. Maybe we should eliminate the" Afrikan"s, never mind that was tried in the late 1800's and early 1900's in the USA, Maybe the Chinese are having too many babies, maybe like the show "sister wives" where one family has 17 kids here in the USA, maybe the USA welfare mothers that are having babies to increase their household income, think about our own purposed health care program that may limit the health care the elderly could receive, so they would die off.
Wasn't it "Logan's run" that when everyone reached the age of 30 they were eliminated.
When we start choosing, we always chose someone else. for example: Everyone over age 70 should be eliminated, except my mother because she is in good health and no burden on anyone.
Let's start with our homeless and street people. they don't contribute to our society , drain our budgets and crowd our hospitals so that the more desirable people can't get treated.
Then what happens when you’re the one that is chosen.
Before anyone misconstrues my thoughts, I do believe that the world is overpopulated but I also believe that no one group of people has the right to decide which of the other groups should die off to eliminate the problem.
There is a word for that genocide
crashdive123
11-01-2011, 12:27 PM
Not that anybody here is advocating anything along these lines, but I always get a kick out of the organized groups that want to decrease the population on good ole planet earth. Seems they are always pointing to one group or another, but never themselves. Maybe if they took the first step?????????????
Semper Fi - I get what you are saying but choosing a reproductive mate, human or otherwise, really isn't about the strongest. Science has shown that it's really about two things. The best looking and pheromones. In the case of Sparrows, there is a ultraviolet spot on the chest of the male. We see this as a brown spot but female sparrows see it as a shining beacon. The larger the spot the more desirable the male. It has nothing to do with his overall strength or size.
This same trait is true in humans. Recent studies suggest that symmetry of the face is a huge deciding factor in mate selection. The more symmetrical the face the more desirable the male. Good looks translates to good genes or some similar thought processes.
You might be able to fell 30 trees a day and plow the south 40 in the afternoon but if you are ugly as a pig's butt the chances are you are going to have a slim chance of being picked on Sadie Hawkens Day. You can also be useless as a pocket on the back of your shirt but if you are handsome AND HAVE A SYMMETRICAL FACE, the gals will be lined up to pick you.
Sometimes reading those books really does help. Our opinions are just that and they are sometimes wrong. Here's some links if you want to read more.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090615185428.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1690211/pdf/10535106.pdf
http://www.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issue6/features/feng.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness
DOGMAN
11-01-2011, 01:49 PM
when bulls fight in the field what are they fighting for? Does the female go after the weakiling? No she does not ....
I dont need to be a scholar and have read books on surviving , most of which were written by those who didnt do the surviving , I have eyes and ears , I can see and hear whats going on in this world!
Well, even though you have eyes and ears- obviously you haven't spent much time actually watching animals. It happens all the time with wild animals that young, immature, and smaller males breed with females.
You should watch an Elk or Bison herd sometime...the biggest, and baddest Bulls will be fighting and sparring showing how tough they are, and then off to the side a small, young bull will be impregnating every cow in season in the area. These bulls even have names "Satelitte Bulls" in the world of wildlife biology. The bulls who know they aren't tough hang out in the periphery and just wait for the opportunity to spread their seed. It also happens in wolf packs, and all other herd and pack situations.
SemperFi
11-01-2011, 09:29 PM
Well IM NOT SAYING OR ADVOCATING the killing off of humans ! That said , Im not also saying that the top governments havent thought this very thought! The chinese did limit the household to 1 child per family , what happens to all the illegitimates? All those people in Africa that are just sitting around having kids ? who ends up paying for this? Its not just the US , many other nations do as well as the Afrikan nations themselves , this does strain the world grain supplies ,it has to. I dont trust our government fully, I surely dont trust any government outside the US . Have you not ever read how the CIA USED TO CONDUCT TESTS ON LARGE POPULATIONS? Like flu virus? drop it FROM AIRPLANES and see how long it takes small medical clinics to report it the the larger hospitals? It can be done in a short enough period of time!
NightShade
11-01-2011, 11:24 PM
What exactly are you saying??
NightShade
11-01-2011, 11:32 PM
You misquote people to prove your points on "afrikans" but then "don't care" who really said it... Cuz, " you can see for yourself".... Then you say you're not advocating what you were advocating... I am confused about what the point of this thread was all about. Please explain further... Your ramblings are amusing me.
No one pays for it and that gets back to my original comment. U.S. exports of grain to central Africa is pretty low on the list. Most of our exports go to Japan and South Korea. The point being, beyond the relief agencies trying to get supplies in, they just starve. So there is no strain on the world grain supplies.
I think you are trying to rationalize a global impact directly related to population where there is none. At least not yet. As world climates change there could be a change to food basket nations' ability to grow and harvest food. Until then we eat while others starve. We spend far more grain on alcohol conversion, feed stock and corn sweeteners than we send to central Africa. Sort of a sad statement but true.
your_comforting_company
11-03-2011, 07:00 AM
Darwin stated in his own texts that the honeybee defies his theory altogether... American Bee Journal, May 2011
Independent, individual evolution does not predicate survival. Group thinking and eusocial behavior is the only way the human population can sustian and endure. Interdependence, and doing whatever is necessary for the good of the whole is a much more viable solution than one person trying to fix it all.. We would all have to work together toward one common goal, doing what needs to be done without regard to self-preservation.
I do agree with SF in that the population is too high for our current resource availability and eventually nature will straighten it out, with famine or disease. What if that means I must get sick or starve to death to preserve the rest of the world? To answer that, A bee that stings you will surely die, but chances are, if you get stung, you won't destroy their hive to get their honey, but instead will leave them alone. Sometimes self-sacrifice is necessary. So lets not point fingers at others saying "they need to do better". Point at the mirror and say "We all need to do better".
"No, seriously, YCC said he volunteered to starve to death so just go ahead and give me his rice. Seriously, dude. That's what he said. Give me the freackin' rice!
BENESSE
11-03-2011, 09:55 AM
"No, seriously, YCC said he volunteered to starve to death so just go ahead and give me his rice. Seriously, dude. That's what he said. Give me the freackin' rice!
Not before he gave you a wallop--at least that's how I read the bee analogy.
SemperFi
11-03-2011, 10:03 AM
how can I be mis-quoting someone that I didnt qoute? I merely watch see , im not quoting anything , You havent been paying attention to what is happening in Afrika , even if you have been in prison for the last 45 years you can see that Afrika has gone no where , the only continent in the world that cant produce food for its own people!
Well......Yes and no. Africa is a big continent and many of the its countries do just fine. South Africa, Egypt, Libya (despite its current state of affairs), Morocco and others do just fine. They do import many items but then so do we. For the most part, it's the Central African countries that are in dire straights and a lot of that has to do with an arid region that doesn't support agriculture.
But it's not just Africa. Latin American and Asia have very similar problems for very similar reasons. The Indian sub-continent has about half of the world's starving people.
If you live along the equator then you are limited in what crops you can grow. Sometimes, if you live on the wrong side of the mountain, like Haiti, it makes a huge difference in agriculture.
letslearntogether47
11-03-2011, 04:26 PM
Really,and I thought folks that lived neear the equator didn't have to worry about heat,so no advancement.
Don't have to worry about water,no advancement.
Plenty of food to pick from the trees""""
If you have no issues,why better yourself?
BENESSE
11-03-2011, 04:52 PM
Really,and I thought folks that lived neear the equator didn't have to worry about heat,so no advancement.
Don't have to worry about water,no advancement.
Plenty of food to pick from the trees""""
If you have no issues,why better yourself?
For the same reason we engage in art, music, run marathons, volunteer to fight distant wars and heal the poor.
Some of the most amazing advancements were created not because there were issues to be solved but because of a simple intellectual curiosity.
If you have no issues,why better yourself?
See, I've been trying to convince my wife of that for years. Lord knows I don't have ANY issues.
For most of those folks Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs comes into play. You can't even worry about safety needs until your food and water needs are resolved.
letslearntogether47
11-04-2011, 03:04 PM
For the same reason we engage in art, music, run marathons, volunteer to fight distant wars and heal the poor.
Some of the most amazing advancements were created not because there were issues to be solved but because of a simple intellectual curiosity.
The intellectual curiosity is freed up because we have society.
The Romans and Greeks found this out very long ago.
BENESSE
11-04-2011, 03:13 PM
Cave drawings suggest another explanation.
2dumb2kwit
11-04-2011, 05:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1f5Nx-acYs
Sorry....couldn't help it. LOL
your_comforting_company
11-08-2011, 06:26 AM
I agree with Rick and totally disagree with the last statement by llt. intellectual curiosity is not freed up just because we have society. Most folks that I encounter in society have no desire to think about anything other than their droid phones, complain about the tractor on the highway; farmer growing their food, complacent, and completely relying on someone else to fix everything that is wrong. Were it not for the few who sit down and say "how can we solve this problem and what other problems might we encounter in the future" humankind would all be sitting the way of central africa. destitute in a desolate useless land because nobody ever said "how can I get water on this corn so we can eat?" but instead sat around and waited for someone else to fix it.
I have little faith in society as a whole.. can you tell?
I look at Rome and see a great civilization reduced to rubble and ruins. There is a lesson to be learned there, but you have to open both eyes...
finallyME
11-08-2011, 10:51 AM
Well, even though you have eyes and ears- obviously you haven't spent much time actually watching animals. It happens all the time with wild animals that young, immature, and smaller males breed with females.
You should watch an Elk or Bison herd sometime...the biggest, and baddest Bulls will be fighting and sparring showing how tough they are, and then off to the side a small, young bull will be impregnating every cow in season in the area. These bulls even have names "Satelitte Bulls" in the world of wildlife biology. The bulls who know they aren't tough hang out in the periphery and just wait for the opportunity to spread their seed. It also happens in wolf packs, and all other herd and pack situations.
In the military, we called this guy "Jody". :)
finallyME
11-08-2011, 10:58 AM
Really,and I thought folks that lived neear the equator didn't have to worry about heat,so no advancement.
Don't have to worry about water,no advancement.
Plenty of food to pick from the trees""""
If you have no issues,why better yourself?
I was watching a documentary that was addressing this. It was a National Geographic called "Guns, Germs and Steel". Netflix has it.
It's based on the book by Jared Diamond. Good, thought provoking book. If you think about how Europe is laid out, West to East, the climate if pretty much the same. The most ferocious animals they have are domesticated sheep and cows. (yeah, they have bears and wolves, I know). No matter where Europeans travel in Europe they can plant the same seeds and raise the same animals.
Africa, on the other hand, is laid out North to South with a wildly fluctuating environment complete with big wild cats, hippos, crocodiles and really nasty snakes. It's hard to plant corn or potatoes when you're running from a tiger and jumping over pit vipers.
http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/
southard
11-09-2011, 03:19 PM
The counter to that though is the bad boy image. Young women going for the older rougher looking guy (look at bike rallys). My wife for example walked away from a guy to me cause I "looked dangerous", a twenty one year old jarhead bulkedup and belligerent. Her friends didnt like me cause I they just assumed I was abusive by my looks. Weve been together going on 11 yrs.
I always went for the puppy dog look with sad eyes, personally. Go ahead, you can say it, I'm cute, right?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4264753590_423b1272bd.jpg
finallyME
11-09-2011, 05:58 PM
Go ahead, you can say it, I'm cute, right?
Only with that rope around your neck. :D
See? I knew you'd think .....Hey, wait a minute. That's mean.
your_comforting_company
11-10-2011, 06:56 AM
HAHA!! I needed a good laugh this morning! Thanks!
letslearntogether47
11-10-2011, 10:16 AM
You need TIME to come up with innovations.
One advancement leads to another and so on,as time is spent less on hunter/gather and more on improving quality of life.
Cave drawings could be idle art after a good kill and there was "time" to do it.It could also be communication.We simply do not know or have somebody to ask why they did it.
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