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gryffynklm

10-27-2011, 06:06 PM

The video below shows a passive solar light using a soda bottle held in place and set into a corrugated roof. Its like a skylight but the water refracts the light and lights up the room like a light bulb. It could be used to Illuminate the Interior of a work shed or other out building. I'm sure variations can be made to suit other lighting needs. Considering the use of water. Cold climates would be an issue. With some experimentation, antifreeze or other chemical can be used to lower the freezing point of the water so it can be used in colder climates.

http://www.wimp.com/lightenup/

canid

10-27-2011, 06:34 PM

i like that. i think i might prefer glass though; those bottles won't hold up all that long in intense direct sun.

gryffynklm

10-27-2011, 06:45 PM

Glass is a good idea. Deck prisms were imbedded in the decks of ships on the days of sail to bring in light. They are still made but are a bit pricy.

http://uslighthouseestablishment.com/USLHEcommerce/product_info.php?products_id=10004

http://uslighthouseestablishment.com/USLHEcommerce/images/GlassDeckPrism.jpg

They were set into the wooden deck and sealed with rope caulk and tar.

hunter63

10-27-2011, 07:32 PM

I'm sure they would work even if empty, and i would perfer glass as well.
This was a common way to provide out door light in a stack wood wall or even rammed earth.
Great vid, thanks.

canid

10-27-2011, 08:00 PM

i believe the water helps to scatter the light further. with a smaller refractive index between glass/plastic and water than glass/plastic and air, it might also help more of the light end up in the room in total, but i'm not sure about that.

Rick

10-28-2011, 08:52 AM

Another learning day for me!!!! Thanks. That would make a great outhouse light as well. I'm fairly impressed with the idea although, as mentioned, glycerin or something would have to be used in cold climates. Still, pretty ingenious. I didn't know about the deck prisms either so thanks, Karl, for the education!!!!!!

natertot

10-28-2011, 10:09 AM

I think you could use rubbing alcohol for colder climates as that stuff will never freeze. I would put it in glass as well.

Wait. The alcohol wouldn't be too friendly because of it's flamabilities, would it?

gryffynklm

10-28-2011, 11:12 AM

I like the idea of Glycerin because of its low flamibility. See below from an on line MSDS.

Both Isopropyl Alcohol and Glycerin mix with water and can lower the freezing point of the water. I would have to do some research to find ratios to freezing points of the solution.If you figure that window washer fluid is an alcohol mix and doesn't freeze, a quick read of the bottle may show % alcohol. Obviously you would want to match your mixture freezing point to the low temps of your area.

I tried to research thermal expansion of these mixtures to determine the possibility of breaking the glass due to the pressure of the liquid or ice forming. I couldn't find any thing specific but the information is out there somewhere.

Flammability of the Product: May be combustible at high temperature.
Auto-Ignition Temperature:
370°C (698°F)(NFPA Fire Protection Guide to Hazardous Materials, 13th ed., 2002; NIOSH ICSC, 2001; CHRIS, 2001) 392 C
(739 F) (Lewis, 1997)

Flash Points:
CLOSED CUP: 160°C (320°F). (Chemical Hazard Response Information System, 2001; Lewis, 1997). OPEN CUP: 177°C
(350.6°F) (Budavari, 2000; Chemical Response Information System, 2001; NIOSH ICSC, 2001) OPEN CUP: 199 C(390 F)
(National Fire Protection Association, Fire Protection Guide to Hazardous Materials, 13 ed., 2002)
Flammable Limits: LOWER: 0.9%
Products of Combustion: These products are carbon oxides (CO, CO2), irritating and toxic fumes.
Fire Hazards in Presence of Various Substances:
Slightly flammable to flammable in presence of open flames and sparks, of heat, of oxidizing materials. Non-flammable in
presence of shocks.
Explosion Hazards in Presence of Various Substances:
Risks of explosion of the product in presence of mechanical impact: Not available. Risks of explosion of the product in
presence of static discharge: Not available. Explosive in presence of oxidizing materials.
Fire Fighting Media and Instructions:
SMALL FIRE: Use DRY chemical powder. LARGE FIRE: Use water spray, fog or foam. Do not use water jet.
Special Remarks on Fire Hazards: Not available.
Special Remarks on Explosion Hazards:
Glycerin is incompatible with strong oxidizers such as chromium trioxide, potassium chlorate, or potassium permanganate and
may explode on contact with these compounds. Explosive glyceryl nitrate is formed from a mixture of glycerin and nitric and
sulfuric acids. Perchloric acid , lead oxide + glycerin form perchloric esters which may be explosive. Glycerin and chlorine may
explode if heated and confined.

canid

10-28-2011, 03:15 PM

70% rubbing alcohol USP should freeze at ~-117f. incidentally, this is actually warmer than the lowest temperature recorded on earth, so perhaps don't use it for this purpose if you live at Vostok Research Station.

the thermal expansion should be pretty low. far lower than, for example, that of any air present in the container. in extreme changes in temperature however i would strongly recommend at least some air, since it is substantially compressible, and would act as a buffer to what stress is produced in pressures. i seem to remember a demonstration i saw in a video where a cast iron cannon shell was filled with water and frozen, and it split in half.

i was not able to find actual thermal expansion data for isopropanol, and i do not think i understand how to calculate volumetric expansion from the formulae.

Rick

10-28-2011, 05:32 PM

I actually live at the Vostok Research Station. Did you know it's 240 kilometers from the closest person? Some guy moved a trailer in 230 kilometers from us but we moved it overnight while he was sleeping so our claim is still valid.

JPGreco

10-28-2011, 11:49 PM

It might be better to build your own. Cut an opening in your roof. Line it with a reflective material. Seal the top with some glass or plexiglass and put a light diffuser from any florescent light at the bottom. It's not as cheap, but can be done relatively cheap if you scavenge parts.

I mean, I've installed something called a sun tunnel, which worked great, but it cost like 250 bucks.

JPGreco

10-29-2011, 01:35 PM

Actually, come to think of it, in a thin roof, I'd like to see how just a small piece of diffuser would work.

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