Forest Fires Burn Me Up

[ronjnk]

I have mentioned forest fires a number of times in my posts. I have taken liberties on the topic title to get your attention. It is a subject that is important to us and I have no intention of trivializing it. I'll relate a few experiences and then get to the bottom line. We are tired of watching news coverage of toasted neighborhoods and homes. If just one of the forum members gets something out of this post it will be worthwhile. In the 11 years we have been out here, we've had 4 scares of watching the mushroom clouds swirling skyward within a mile of us. Many times we have gone running to the boat. Twice those fires have gotten a little too close. Like 90 feet from the house.

The year after we built the house, we were sandwiched between 2 big fires. Each about 20 miles away. You assume risks when you are in the wilderness and we knew we would ultimately have to deal with a fire, but we had no idea of the scale. One of our best purchases to this day is our bright orange survival suits. Don't be afraid to buy one if you live remote. To keep this relatively short, it burned for months. It ultimately got to us. My wife was evacuated several days before it arrived. I was out here alone. Fire crew came in the afternoon to fuel pumps and check on things and then left. Before leaving that day, the pilot told me not to worry, fire was a long ways away. Sounded good to me.

A few hours later I heard the freight train coming. The freight train was the fire and the sound it was making sounded like a freight train. It has that sound when it becomes so intense it is sucking surrounding air. Shortly after that I went to the shoreline and looked 4 miles down the lake. All I saw on the horizon was a wall of orange and red flame surely 75 feet above tree tops. You talk about dry mouth. It was instant and I needed some water. I spent that night literally in the lake, in the boat or on an island depending on the situation. Most islands burned. The fire storm rolled up both sides of the lake and I was surrounded by fire. Although I was safe in the middle of the lake, as far as I could see, the world was on fire. It moved faster than you could run. I spent the next day playing fireman on hot spots and our place was saved although it did get to within 90 feet of the house.

Last year, we had another fire and this time my wife was here. We watched as a wall of flames approached our home and the smoke completely obliterated it. All we could do was bob in the boat and hope for the best. We survived again. That fire also burned for a couple months and the fire got to within 75 feet of the house, jumped over it and started a fire in front. This fire finished the job the first fire left behind 10 years earlier.

For anybody living in forested areas, I have some firsthand advice. Don't panic if you see smoke but don't take it for granted even if it is far in the distance. I have seen fires move 5-10 miles in a day. If you live in a forested area, consider burying a trash can in the ground to throw some photo albums or whatever in, if you have the time to safely do so. Consider building with metal siding or other fireproof material. Don't have an open crawl space under the house where embers can blow under.

And finally, what saved our home twice? Sprinklers. Both our own system and the fire crews. The Spring ritual is to head to the roof and install 2 sprinklers at each end of the roof. I also have full length trees (approx 20-25 feet long) cut and have a sprinkler attached to the top of that tree. You pick locations around your house where you can stand these trees back up like a big flag pole and either WIRE to another smaller tree or fashion a set of teepee legs to it to be free standing. Make sure you use wire, not string or rope. The higher those "flag poles" the more coverage and better the protection. All the sprinklers go to a manifold. A Honda water pump with 1 1/2 in. fire line delivers water to the manifold. The basic premise with this is that you are trying to create a dome of humidity around your house. The longer you can let the pump run and soak the ground the better.

At the very least, have a plan for protecting your home. That plan should at least have a couple of basic lawn sprinklers mounted to the top of your roof and attached to whatever reliable water supply you have. Although half a million acres has been toasted around here, recovery is already underway. The surrounding hillsides are green with 5 foot pine and spruce plus taller poplar and birch. It is the natural progression of things and we are much safer now. Plus there are now blueberries and cranberries everywhere and it is the perfect habitat for wildlife. I hope this helps someone. Thanks for reading. Ron

[ronjnk]

I've included 3 photos for now and will send 3 more later.697669776978

[Beans]

.
, I have some firsthand advice. Don't panic if you see smoke but don't take it for granted even if it is far in the distance. I have seen fires move 5-10 miles in a day.
Thanks for reading. Ron

Good read Ron thanks

During the Monument fire here is southern AZ, it jumped the road and travel over 5 miles in less then 1 1/2 hours before they got it under control. It wasn't a forested area just dry grassland. We also had several houses save by lawn sprinklers and HO spraying thier houses including the roofs with a garden hose. The fire rushed across the brush/grass areas and was traveling so fast that it didn't have time to burn those houses. The grass burnt so quickly it didn't have time to heat the houses to the flash point.

It just consumed the burnables and traveled on. In the areas where there was more fuel for the fire to burn hotter and longer it stayed and the houses caught fire.

The fires didn't quite reach my area but we were on a 15 minute notice to evacuate. We said goodby to those things we could not have taken with us. Packed the things that couldn't have been replaced. We included extra dog food and bottled water. Wasn't sure where we would be be for the next 24 hours but we were prepared.


http://www.inciweb.org/incident/2324/

Basic Information
Incident Type Burned Area Emergency Rehabilitation
Cause Under Investigation
Date of Origin Sunday June 12th, 2011 approx. 01:16 PM
Location 4 Miles east of Hereford, Az

Current Situation
Size 30,526 acres
Fuels Involved Timber litter and understory

FWIW We didn't panic. but it sure had our attention

[ronjnk]

That went well. Here are a few more.6979

[hunter63]

That was indead close.....
Nice write up on sprinklers and such.

Just another comment...i was watching a show about Alaska brush pilots...One show had a coupel living way out in the bush, som kinda talked about how they go along....One thing I had noticed was a heavy duty tent set up away from the house...In case of fire in the house as rescue would be days away in case something happened.

I hadn't though about being that alone, that distance away from people or services....so made a lot on sense to me.

[cyc79]

I know exactly what you're saying about fires. I've had some close calls as well. The arrival of fall is actually a relief.
I've seen second growth jack pine grow a few feet and have another fire come through and burn it as well. This is definitely the land of fire-not good considering the province won't fight fire in the far north. They will however come and put up sprinklers.

[ronjnk]

Hi Hunter,
You beat me to it but that was another topic I had wanted to impart on the board. We have zero chance of survival if our house catches fire in the winter from chimney fire or ?? They won't find our frozen carcasses until Summer. I have set up away from the house, a large waterproof barrel and a tool box that you would find in the back of pickups. Big plastic thing. I have flares, tent, extra clothes, sleeping bags etc etc. to give us a shot at least of surviving. It would be a challenge but I believe we would survive.
Ron

[Sourdough]

My number one SHTF risk is forest fire.

[Sourdough]

Hi Hunter,
You beat me to it but that was another topic I had wanted to impart on the board. We have zero chance of survival if our house catches fire in the winter from chimney fire or ?? They won't find our frozen carcasses until Summer. I have set up away from the house, a large waterproof barrel and a tool box that you would find in the back of pickups. Big plastic thing. I have flares, tent, extra clothes, sleeping bags etc etc. to give us a shot at least of surviving. It would be a challenge but I believe we would survive.
Ron


I have a 7' X 10' Cache building, super insulated, for just that application. It also serves as storage for dry freezeable food items. Includes two coleman stoves, lanterns, etc. Kind of a survival cabin.

[ronjnk]

Hi Cyc79. Believe it or not, it was just last week we saw the horizon greyed out from smoke from a fire. We've never seen a fire this late in the season. Brabant? That fire we dealt with from last year was amazing. The area that burned from 2002, re burned again. We weren't protected from that side since the boys didn't think it would be a problem. It was horrifying to watch how intense that burned knowing full well we had no defense on that side. I hate to talk about fire danger but you know as well as I, it's not a question of if but when you will have the big fire come through. I don't want to scare off people to the North country but they should know the reality of it. We should be pretty safe for awhile now. With the wacky weather we are all having, anybody in forested areas will benefit from this discussion.

[ronjnk]

Good job Sourdough. Sounds like you are well prepared. It was an amazing couple of experiences and I wouldn't have wanted to miss it for the world. Just fascinating, awesome and frightening all in one. Having said that, we've seen all the fire we care to see. Ron

[hunter63]

Well like i said, i was inpressed by the emergancy out building/tent when out so far....would have never thought about it, and it really wasn't made a big deal of...on the pogram...but just one of those things that make you say..."well now that a cool idea".
Your sprinklers are in that catogory...thinking about my cabin........

[cyc79]

Sprinklers can save your property http://www.onestopfire.com/sprinklers.htm
As long as you can start soaking the buildings and surrounding area well before a fire gets to you then you have a good chance.

[RCKCRWLER]

Great post. My wife and I live ini the mountains as well. There was a fire that wiped out the trees on the mountain back in 89. The forest service cut a swath around town to help prevent future fires. However, it is always in the back of my mind. I am currently working on increasing our defensible space and honestly never thought of putting sprinkler systems on the roof. There is no water near the property but we do have a gravity fed water system throughout the town that pushes about 30+ PSI. I might have to get creative and experiment with some regular landscaping sprinklers that I could run off our outdoor hose spigot.

[crashdive123]

That was indead close.....
Nice write up on sprinklers and such.

Just another comment...i was watching a show about Alaska brush pilots...One show had a coupel living way out in the bush, som kinda talked about how they go along....One thing I had noticed was a heavy duty tent set up away from the house...In case of fire in the house as rescue would be days away in case something happened.

I hadn't though about being that alone, that distance away from people or services....so made a lot on sense to me.

I saw that too. It was on the show Flying Alaska. The family was one of the very few that was living in Anwar.

[hunter63]

I saw that too. It was on the show Flying Alaska. The family was one of the very few that was living in Anwar.

That's the one....so there are some gems in the BS that you find on "reality shows'.

[Rick]

Ron - that last pic you posted confirmed what I saw on the sat photos. That is indeed the point I was looking at. I could see both the trail from the lake to the house and the half circle behind the house. I believe that photo is facing southwest toward the main body of the lake.

A few months back I posted on a fire bunker. They used to be pretty common in the Midwest. About as common as tornado shelters and designed about the same way. You could easily set one up on an island for very little expense. About the only thing you need is a trench with some logs over the top and cover that with dirt. What folks don't realize is that under the smoke and fire there is a stream of fresh air a couple of inches high. The fire uses that for it's oxygen source and actually pulls it along as it moves. Even if the island were to catch on fire that small stream of air would enter the bunker and be much cooler than the surrounding air. Another thing is that heat radiates in straight lines so it won't curve around the ends of the trench. The bulk of the heat will pass right over the top and the stream of fresh air will keep the insides cool until the fire passes.

In today's modern world of pumper trucks and brush trucks the fire bunker has lost favor but they were extremely effective.

[rebel]

Living next to state land, fire is probably our biggest threat too. This has been an informative topic. Thanks.

[ronjnk]

Hello to all,
You've made my day. Thanks for the feedback on the post. Beans... I hear you. It certainly commands attention to see the smoke. Glad it all worked out for you.

cyc79 Terrific link to sprinklers. Never knew that site existed. I'm sure you've seen many of those same aerial shots of the North..... a house in an oasis of green surrounded by toasted sticks.

Thanks again folks for the positive feedback. As I mentioned, if this helps one person avert disaster, it will mean the world to me. Ron

[Winter]

That "close call" picture is aptly named.

I'm suddenly alot happier I live in a rainforest

[ronjnk]

Rick, That was some good information and I suspect it applies to any fire situation. Stay low. It would take more guts than I have to stay in a bunker though on an island. No doubt it is one of the best solutions for many people in the plains/prairies and mountainous States to consider a bunker. But if I have access to an island, it implies I have access to water and I'll take my chances more with my trusty, somewhat blackened survival suit bobbing in the lake or in a boat.

I had pretty good luck as you see posting pictures. A couple files were too big. That's OK. As for my last picture... Keep in mind that that was the damage from the 2002 fire. The semi circle trail you see was our fire line cut by the fire crews. That entire line had sprinklers also along the trail. The burned circle in the burn was a chopper pad I cut for an extra means of evacuation. It did come in handy. Flash forward to now.... we did not have sprinklers this time on that semi circle trail. 4:30 in the morning I was out desperately hacking down anything that looked like a tree along that fire line. Didn't matter fire blew through there and burned quite a bit of the trees on the house side of the line. Sprinklers stopped it enough that we could deal with it. That green peninsula of land that you see in that photo also burned. That was where the fire jumped over the house and caught. Again , that was an area we did not have protected. Did not expect that to happen. Nothing to do but watch as it slowly back burned towards the house. My hats off to every fire fighter reading this. As we watched in horror from the boat, 2 planes circled over head. When conditions were right, they swooped in, hauled out there pumps and got down to business. They did some backburnig and mop up and I tackled that smoldering peninsula and front section. For those with money, a wajax pump is the choice of the fire crews. fantastic pump.

[crashdive123]

I do believe that if I lived in a remote location as you and some other do and that forest fires were a real danger I would invest in a compressed air foam system or other fire retardant system like Phos-Check. These are just two examples. They aren't cheap and I would have to do a lot more research into them.

http://www.foamfiredefense.com/

http://www.fireveil.com/wildfire-retardant

[rebel]

In addition to the sprinkler system a self starting generator to operate the pump in case of power failure and / or no one home.

[Rick]

And maybe bulldoze a kill zon...I mean a clean zone back about 1/4 mile so nothing can burn up to you. But, hey, that's just me.

[ronjnk]

Assuming that you have a pump on the beach scenario, select your pump location with some thought. Put it in the sandiest, open area possible. The point being that if it is in an area that can burn, laws of the universe suggest the fire will race through your pump area first which would be a bad day. It would not be a bad idea to have a sprinkler in that area either protecting your lines running to the house. I personally wouldn't want the sprinkler pouring water on my pump though. Just close by. As long as the areas moisture level goes up. I have heard that as long as your hose lines have water running, they won't burn but am not sure of that and never found out with any experience on that.

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