Major Trauma Kit [Archive] - Wilderness Survival Forums

Rick

09-26-2011, 01:47 PM

I'm in the process of updating my BOBs for the season and that includes checking our major trauma kit to ensure all dates are good. While I had it torn apart I thought I'd post some pics of it. It might give you some ideas. Everything is stored in a Medium Alice bag with frame and I really need to upgrade it to a large bag.

Remember that this is in addition to my first aid kit with my script meds that I take everywhere.

I have one pocket that is MEDS and is a supplement to my 1st Aid Kit.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma1.jpg

One pocket is a facial/dental kit:

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma2.jpg

The third pocket is for hardware like a stethoscope and blood pressure cuff:

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma7.jpg

The main pocket is stuffed full:

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma3.jpg

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma4.jpg

I have an add on pouch that is a major bleeder kit:

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma5.jpg

And a back up bleeder kit:

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma6.jpg

A minor surgical kit:

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma8.jpg

An obstetrical kit

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma9.jpg

and finally a pouch that contains a body bag as well as some hotties hand warmers and a survival blanket. the body bag can be used for a lot of things. When used with the hotties hand warmers and the survival blanket it makes an excellent hypothermia treatment kit.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/trauma10.jpg

finallyME

09-26-2011, 02:38 PM

That is a lot of stuff. I guess when your wife is a nurse.....

Rick

09-26-2011, 03:07 PM

Yeah, it helps. I let her give me a shot once about 37 years ago. Just once. She enjoyed that waaaaay too much.

natertot

09-26-2011, 03:50 PM

Wow, you can cover everything from birth to death. Most of that stuff would be pretty useless for me since I don't have that much medical training. If you have the knowledge, it is nice to have the tools. I carry what meets my knowledge and will allow me to stabilize most things until I can get the person to help or get help to me. As long as it isn't a puncture to the heart or my brain layin on the ground, I'll be okay.

I do like the idea of neck braces, is that an item from your wifey or can you get those readily available?

Rick

09-26-2011, 03:53 PM

Everything you see in the pics can be purchased online or OTC at a drug store. There is nothing there that requires scripts or was heisted. My wife doesn't do clinicals anymore. She works for an insurance company and handles workman comp cases. She has worked in hospitals and for dr's offices in the past.

gryffynklm

09-26-2011, 04:05 PM

Impressive and well thought out.

Rick, Since your wife is a nurse, the knowledge to use these items correctly is there when she is with the pack.

The question I have is are you familiar with the items and their use??

For someone like me with several industrial basic first aid courses, the pack is a bit overwhelming. Would you recommend such a complete pack for someone like me in the hopes that if I get into medical trouble despite my best survival knife and survival thong someone who finds me with the knowledge to use those supplies.

Joking aside I am curious as to your line of thought on this extensive pack.

I would rep you but need to spread it around a bit. Thanks

Rick

09-26-2011, 04:59 PM

I would be hesitant on two fronts and that's the obstetrics kit and the dental end of it. My wife would be hesitant on the dental as well but if the poop has plopped on the prop then you sort of do what you have to do. Obstetrics can get really intense for a whole lot of reasons, tearing not the least of it.

Beyond those I would feel pretty confident administering a naso-pharyngeal airway, asherman chest seal, a major bleed or any lesser problem. I've had a lot of first aid/CPR training over the years and actually used it once on the job. The guy lived which is proof that you won't die before your time regardless of who is working on you.

You can purchase IV kits online and we've talked about it but if you are in that bad of shape that we need to administer IVs then you probably aren't going to make it any way. The same is probably true of an arterial bleed where TSHTF conditions exist. I just keep thinking that guys lived with some God awful wounds during the Civil War.

crashdive123

09-26-2011, 05:07 PM

Thanks for showing the kit. It did give me a few ideas that I need to noodle out.

Rick

09-26-2011, 06:29 PM

I guess I should also mention that only a few items out of the lot are sterile and none of the tools are. The tools would have to be sterilized via autoclave (aka pressure canner).

Sarge47

09-26-2011, 06:41 PM

Where's the defibrillator? Put a siren and a flashing red light on the pack and Ken will be chasing it!

"Hello, 911, what is the nature of your emergency?"

"Well, I've been in a car accident and I've got massive injuries, come quick!"

"I'm sorry sir, but all of our EMTs are out on other calls; but there's this guy from a "survival forum" named Rick..." :w00t:

Rick

09-26-2011, 06:45 PM

I've actually looked a defibrillators. If they weren't so danged expensive I'd have one. Can you imagine how much fun you could have at Halloween?

"Trick or Treat?"
"Oh, my choice? Trick Bzzzzzzt!"
"Wwwwwwaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh".
"Muhahahahahahahahahahahaha."

natertot

09-26-2011, 07:03 PM

Rick, I'm surprised you didn't make due with an old car battery and a set of jumper cables. Are we slacking a little bit?!:noway:

Rick

09-26-2011, 07:39 PM

I had to use the battery for my solar generated laser. It's highly complicated but suffice it to say I only need enough energy to melt the bottom out of those cheezy punkin candy holders. Then the candy is all mine. Mine I tell ya!!!!!

BENESSE

09-26-2011, 07:42 PM

I don't see a thong depressor.
(a simple thing with many uses)

Rick

09-26-2011, 07:48 PM

I won't even go there. No. I can't do it. I just can't. It's too easy.

BENESSE

09-26-2011, 07:49 PM

What?!
I'm serious.
http://www.acep.org/content.aspx?id=39806

Rick

09-26-2011, 07:51 PM

Go back and read your post.

Rick

09-26-2011, 07:52 PM

There are TONGUE depressors in my first aid kit.

crashdive123

09-26-2011, 07:52 PM

I don't see a thong depressor.
(a simple thing with many uses)

What?!
I'm serious.
http://www.acep.org/content.aspx?id=39806

I think you may have been having flashbacks.

BENESSE

09-26-2011, 07:55 PM

Well, maybe it was wishful thinking; literally.
But still...it's a very useful thing to have around.

crashdive123

09-26-2011, 08:01 PM

Tongue depressors yes. Thong depressors not so much.

LowKey

09-26-2011, 08:32 PM

I dunno bout you, but that thong is depressing enough. Wishing I'd missed it on the last pass. Had been lucky up to that point.

The idea that having a kit ready should you need it, and have the articles available that a trained medic can use, if the medic is available, is worth having the kit. The medic may not have access to supplies when you most need them.
Of course, you don't want them confiscated For The Effort either.

woodsman86

09-26-2011, 08:54 PM

I wouldn't discount the IV setup. It can be a lifesaver in a multitude of situations and the saline is a multiuse item. Putting an IV in and admistering fluids is pretty simple with some practice. I am not sure if there are classes available for that sort of thing. In the Army we go through a Combat Lifesaver Course every year and one of the requirements is to be stuck and stick someone with an IV. This is for ever Soldier, medics go through EMT and some other trauma courses. There has been a few times when my battle buddy has given me an IV of fluids to stave off becoming a heat casualty, as have I have for others. Remember, sticking someone with a needle is not the only method to use IV fluid. I know there are specific charts for admistering IV fluid and they should be followed. I would not reccomend anybody use IV's without going through some training and asking lots of questions.

Just as a simple scenario where IV fluid could be a lifesaver: You are involved in a natural disaster. Your spouse or child becomes sick and cant drink water or has dysentary. Say it is several days before any professional medical aid will be available. That IV fluid would be enough to keep them from becoming dehydrated and causing more complications.

As for the extra items Rick. I think if it is a SHTF scenario, you never know who else will be there and they might have the medical training to use some of the equipment and could save your's or someone else's life. I think it is a pretty great setup, whether you have the specific training for each piece or not. I carry a full EMT kit in the truck that I do not know how to use each piece, just in case. I carry a smaller CLS bag for my hunting and camping trips. Thanks for the show and tell.

Rick

09-26-2011, 10:33 PM

I can't disagree with anything you just said. We just didn't feel like they were right for us and we had quite a bit of discussion about it. I know the dehydration was just one example but there are other options to that scenario albeit a good one. A pinch of salt, a fist of molasses (or honey) to a liter of water. That's the universal oral rehydration formula for diarrhea.

I think you are right about not knowing who will be available in a time of crises. This was my point in another thread a few days ago. There are hundreds of thousands of doctors, nurses, nurse practioners and EMTs practicing today. They don't just disappear when something bad happens. We saw them rally to their hospitals during Katrina until even they had to be evacuated. So if you have the gear, they will come, Field of Dreams kinda thingy.

BENESSE

09-27-2011, 12:53 PM

Very useful video about dealing with a range of emergencies in the wilderness. (by a Dr.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1EzaRPPc4

crashdive123

09-27-2011, 02:16 PM

Great find B. I'll have to watch the whole thing later with note pad in hand.

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