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I've gone through each disaster and table topped possible scenarios in an effort to judge how prepared I am to face it. I know there are tons of variables out there waiting to trip me up but I have one issue that I can't put a resolution to. Maybe some of you can help.
If something really bad were to happen my house is THE place where all my kids will gather. Two of my kids have larger dogs and my wife has a roasting size one (she doesn't find that funny by the way) that will be coming with them, I'm sure. If something bad were to happen and you are forced to bug in and can't go outside (radiation from whatever, volcanic ash, air borne infectious disease, whatever) what do you do with the mutts? volcanic ash contains glass dust that will cut up your lungs, radioactive fallout (I'm thinking power plant), will make you sick, both can kill you. So what do you do with the dogs?
They have to go to the bathroom and they consume resources. And, yet, we have this odd sense of responsibility to keep them alive. I know what I'd do if I were alone but I'm not so I have to come up with a "responsible" plan to keep them healthy and deal with their output. Anyone given this any consideration?
I guess cats and attack geese fall in the same category.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
09-20-2011, 12:52 PM
Do what we all do....We all have more $@#T than we know what to do with...
And what is it "we all do"? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Pal334
09-20-2011, 01:08 PM
There is almost no way to argue that a family pet is a liability in anything but an extreme situation. We currently have no pets, but have given the sceenario a bit of a thought in the past. Perhaps use a garage or shed as their shelter for as long as possible (probably cramped for them, but better than the alternative). Maybe look around and stock up on some tarps to cover an outdoor kennel type structure. And unfortunately have to give some thought to the last resort which would be putting it or them down to save them from suffering, or the family from suffering
crashdive123
09-20-2011, 01:09 PM
There is not currently a four-legged family member in my household. Having said that - every dog I have had has been a family member, and treated that way (sometimes better than me!). In a bug in situation as you describe, I would do what I could to make it tolerable. Lot's of cleaning, and retraining would be involved. The effort taken to train our dog to NOT "go in the house" would have to be exerted on - it's OK to go here (designated spot). Food and medical resources would have to be part of the planning and preparation as well (flea, heartworm, etc.).
hunter63
09-20-2011, 02:02 PM
I have to say that we DW and I, plus the dogs, are in "whatever" together...and will have to make do, couldn't see it any other way.
i don't have a good answer, but after traveling with 3 big dogs, they do present some intresting solutions to their needs. So I'll just to say I'll figure out something.
BENESSE
09-20-2011, 02:56 PM
We always felt that our pets were family members, with us for better or worse.
They factored in all our preps. If worse ever came, we'd deal with it then and there.
BENESSE
09-20-2011, 03:05 PM
Don't know if this is helpful or not, but we have friends with a couple of dogs that are trained to do their business on a wee wee pad (bought in bulk) when they're not able to go out. The pads are generally used for puppy training but work on all dogs. In my mind there's no difference between using a diaper or putting a wee wee pad on the floor.
I've thought about some of the options mentioned but none appeal to me. Maybe there is no good answer and we do what we have to do but I'd like to define that before hand. I've thought about putting down a 10X10 poly tarp in the sunroom and getting some remnant turf and put it down. They would think it was grass so they might go there and with the tarp underneath it would be easier to clean up. That's the best thing I've come up with but I was wanting to hear some other ideas.
Woodmaster750
09-20-2011, 06:00 PM
Took a survival course in the Army in Korea, We had a two day class then taken by a blacked out helicopter so we could not see out and landed by a downed helicopter and told you crashed your gear is in the chopper see ya in 15 days. There was seven of us. on us we each had two canteens, one bayonet and our M-16. ( NO AMMO ). in the chopper we found two small cats two small dogs a rabbit and a chicken. Also a 20 pound sack of rice and 10 gal. full water can.. everything else came from the ground around us.To cut this short. I'll just say Dog and cat go good with rice. It rained nine days out of the 15.
ENJOY.
kyratshooter
09-20-2011, 06:03 PM
A flat pan filled with dirt placed in a secluded spot would ease their training. Even a garbage can lid filled with potting soil would replace the outdoors for them very quickly.
Shovel the crap up and flush it when you flush all the other waste. You are going to have to limit flushes to intentional schedules so this would just be another addition. People in urban areas pick up their dog poop every time they walk the critters, what's the big difference?
How you prep for food is up to you.
In a SHTF senerio I would consider the dogs more important than some of the people in my family. In the old days of the frontier the settlers, even in the worst of times, kept packs of dogs for both hunting and protection. They are not just for dinner anymore.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
09-20-2011, 06:08 PM
And what is it "we all do"? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
I really couldn't answer, so I was a smarty pants. My fav. pet won't fit through the door....
I like the dirt idea, KY. That might help a lot. I'm not worried about disposing of the waste I just want to keep it maintained in one area and not on my wood floors or any of the carpet. I might actually survive Armageddon and would like to live in my home afterwards; tea party goers tend to snub those whose homes smell like a stable.
Jess - The first time my five grandkids looked at you with tears in their eyes and said, "but what about my dog?" you'd probably melt like the rest of us. None of the pooches will be on the menu I'm afraid.
Woodmaster750
09-20-2011, 06:49 PM
Some of you won't, then some will. It will be them with the will to live that will. Don't matter who's eyes or looking at you.
BENESSE
09-20-2011, 06:56 PM
Neighbors & friends, watch out for ol' jess. You might be next on the menu.
Woodmaster750
09-20-2011, 07:10 PM
Don't like people, Too damn stringy and tough...!
rebel
09-20-2011, 07:49 PM
To me dogs are an asset in their security and warning abilities. I would stock pile dry food and cat litter to absorb the waste. Make a big litter box out of a cardboard box and plastic.
That would be doable, too. Thanks. I might have to play around with this some. There are some good suggestions here.
Dropy
09-20-2011, 08:49 PM
My dog is like my child. She IS family!! I am in the beginning processe of my preps. Buying an etra 50 pound of dog food each month till i get 5 or 6 bags ahead. Same goes for the cat. If we ir stuck inside for many days then we will deal with it. No biggie for us. We adapt, we overcome, we survive.
Well, no offense, but "we will deal with it" isn't a valid answer at my home. I want a plan in place that has a couple of scenarios attached then I'll adjust if need be. You're looking at a single item when you'll be dealing with hundreds of items if something happens. You'll be trying to make contact with everyone, figure out what you are going to do on meds., make certain you have enough milk, bread and eggs, (sorry Pal) and on and on and on. If you don't have a plan in place then it's just one more thing you'll have to navigate on top of many other things. I don't care to deal with all that when things are bad. I'll deal with it now while things are good then if I have to adjust on the fly I will be able to do so much faster and easier. If you are beginning your preps then one of your first lessons should be build a plan.
crashdive123
09-20-2011, 09:15 PM
Yep. If pets are in the equation then a plan should be part of the preps. This is a good thread because there are probably several folks that have not included pets in their preps.
LowKey
09-20-2011, 09:24 PM
I'm still back on the radiation and the volcanic glass...
Will it ever be safe to go back outside?
Cats can be toilet trained. Why not dogs? At least female dogs.
cowgirlup
09-20-2011, 09:26 PM
Makes me glad i just have 2 indoor cats. I may be breaking into their stockpile of cat litter if I ever have to use a 5 gallon bucket for a toilet.
Yes, ToTo, we will be able to return to Kansas just as soon as all the volcano ash settles. We'll just click our NBC boots twice and be on our way.
Toilet train a dog? That's all I need is an 80 pound German Shepherd in my can with the door locked and my copy of this months NFL Today.
Cowgirl - You might consider this:
http://www.relianceproducts.com/products/sanitation/95.html
If you have no water you can put a garbage bag inside the toilet and use the powder.
LowKey
09-20-2011, 09:37 PM
Beats an 80 lb German Shepherd taking a dump on your NFL Today.
Hmmm. You do have a point I'm afraid.
crashdive123
09-20-2011, 09:39 PM
Well there could be some advantages.
They can clean up after themselves
http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Dog-Drinking-Toilet.jpg
They can go out to see if it's safe to fish.
http://yachtpals.com/files/imagecache/display/files/userimages/dog-boat-dog.jpg
They can go out for milk, bread and eggs.
http://www.leeroo.com/images/802_dog_driving.jpg
Be glad you don't have an elephant.
http://www.guzer.com/pictures/elephant_toilet.jpg
Dog's make lousy drivers. They drive slow in the left hand lane.
Winter
09-20-2011, 11:00 PM
I avoided this thread cause the title didn't mention pets. Bad Rick, bad.
My preps, as yet, do not includ my 4 dogs. Three pugs and a, err, jack russel mix type thing.
My dog, Tank, is my best friend in his mind and in mine I guess. He can not fend for himself. I have not included him in my preps.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/w6f7/015-3.jpg
He is utterly useless in a shtf scenario, but, he will eat what I eat. We will make do. I hope he likes rice and ramen noodles.
Funny/sad thing, the other dogs I am not attached to as closely. While I would not eat them, I would not let my family (me, my wife, my 3 kids, and Tank) starve to feed them.
It kinda breaks my heart. The only one with redeeming SHTF qualities is the jack russel mix *****. I've never seen a dog so agile in the woods. She's a keeper for patrolling's sake.
Either the other 2 pugs eat fish or die. It's still sad though. Pugs are amazingly entertaining creatures with huge hearts.
As far as their waste is concerned. I , seriously, suggest this or something like it.
http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2000/25/images/slingshot-football.jpg
We saw some of this in Katrina where folks wouldn't leave because they couldn't take their pets. Some lost their lives because of it. Livestock is one thing but pets engage us on an entirely different level and I know keeping them in a SHTF scenario is just a have to because of the grandkids, mostly. As long as they can get outside I'm good to go. Maybe I'll just open a window and let them hang it out and go.
Folks really do need to include their pets in their plans. There are medications, food and perhaps special needs for those of you that live up north. Booties for example, might be a requirement for out on the snow.
Here's a really good booklet you can download for all your animal needs. It's from the American Veterinarian Medical Foundation:
https://ebusiness.avma.org/EBusiness50/files/productdownloads/saving_family_brochure.pdf
Winter
09-20-2011, 11:17 PM
Thanks Rick. Good info.
I've seen various posts on the interweb about pets and SHTF. Everyone who doesn't love a pet is heartless. I guess I am a bit heartless to those I consider "Dogs" and not friends.
For you viewers of this thread- A pets value resides in its owners heart and is never to be taken lightly. Shoot Tank and you have committed and act of war. "dogs" are just animals, "pets" are people family. If the SHTF and you see a German Sheprad in your yard, be careful how you treat the animal. There may be a man who loves it enough to make you pay dearly for killing it.
I know few men who I'd allow to live for killing Tank, even on accident.
Winnie
09-21-2011, 04:21 AM
kyr gave the very anwser I was going to suggest. It is difficult because we train our dogs to "go" outside, I would think bringing the outdoors indoors would probably be easier. Bobcat isn't fussy about what is in his litterbox as long as it's clean. Yes I would bring the girls in. I always keep an extra bale of wood shavings. That would do for everyones sanitary needs should we need to use it.
I'm thinking of getting some of this to sprinkle on soiled matter improve hygene. Most others I've looked at are either harzardous to humans(in a confined space) or cats.
http://www.biolinklimited.co.uk/bio_dri.html
I think a powder rather than liquid, in this case would be less messy.
One thing I have had to readjust is Bob's food, since he came home sans 3 teeth, after his date with the dentist. I have given his usual dried food to the local animal charity and got another brand that will soften, but not completely dissolve in water. It's a bummer getting old, man or beast.
BENESSE
09-21-2011, 07:16 AM
Thanks Rick. Good info.
I've seen various posts on the interweb about pets and SHTF. Everyone who doesn't love a pet is heartless. I guess I am a bit heartless to those I consider "Dogs" and not friends.
For you viewers of this thread- A pets value resides in its owners heart and is never to be taken lightly. Shoot Tank and you have committed and act of war. "dogs" are just animals, "pets" are people family. If the SHTF and you see a German Sheprad in your yard, be careful how you treat the animal. There may be a man who loves it enough to make you pay dearly for killing it.
I know few men who I'd allow to live for killing Tank, even on accident.
+1 Winter.
There's something else pets do for us. Keep us calm, lower our BP, and amuse us perhaps when we need it most.
4 months ago we lost our cat of 19.5 years and the difference in our lives without him is profound. Just thinking about him and talking about him softens our heart and makes us smile. Thank god we shot enough video to last us a lifetime.
Winnie - You should be able to add water to your dry cat food to make it softer. I had a conversation with a vet years ago about canned vs. dry. He said dry is canned without the water. Also, keep an eye on the tiger. Animals are more sensitive than humans to a change in diet so a bout of diarrhea might be in the offing.
B - Excellent points. +1
Sarge47
09-21-2011, 07:47 AM
Getting past the bathroom issues here's my take : Dogs have their place! They have been used by both the military and police for years! They're an "early alarm system;" can be trained as hunters to provide food,; can be used for defense against undesirables; and can help keep you warm on a cold night! Then, when things calm down, they can fetch the paper and your slippers! Get rid of Fido? Are you crazy? :crying:
Conversely, they can give you up if you are trying to hide.
(shrill whistle) "Here! Right here! Here he is!" - also known as "Woof! Woof Woof! Woof Woof Woof!"
Winnie
09-21-2011, 11:15 AM
Rick, I changed his food because he wouldn't eat his usual food soaked. He likes this new brand as it is soft and retains it's shape. The changeover happened slowly and with no rear end explosions.:blushing:
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