Corn Syrup and Gasoline don't mix!

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

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Two of several carbuators I will need to rebuild.....I saved 10 - 15% of nothing.

[hunter63]

I try not the used corn syurp....any more.

[Rick]

What did you do?

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

It is the 2 cycle motor on my jon boat, ethanol stuck the needle and seat. Same thing on my garden tiller dicovered both in one afternoon.

[Rick]

I don't understand why ethanol would do that. It's alcohol. It should run hotter but with less horsepower. It's also a solvent. What kind of oil are you using? That would be the first culprit I'd look at. Am I missing something or thinking wrong here?

[crashdive123]

My understanding is that especially in boats that run two stroke motors....the moisture that can be common in the fuel tanks from (that's the reason for moisture separators) is where the problem comes in. The ethanol in the fuel separates from the petroleum (gas). The ethanol/water mix sinks to the bottom of the tank so the now unblended gas has a lower octane. Many older outboard motors do not do well on low octane fuel. Additionally, the oil fuel mixture ratio is different when the ethanol becomes separated from the gas, causing lubrication issues.

[SemperFi]

yep many a weed eater carb had to be discarded, I learned that lesson a while ago!

[Rick]

Okay. I got you. Thanks. I run whatever the station is dispensing in all my 2 cycle stuff and I've never had a problem (knock on wood).

[crashdive123]

I don't think it's as much of an issue on some of the newer things. I don't leave fuel in my 2 cycle stuff, but rather dump it back into the container. Never had a problem. It's been a while since I've had a boat, but when I did, I only ran premium grades of fuel in it. I never had a problem.

[woodsman86]

I helped a fella camping next to me change a carburetor on his truck. The ethanol was eating the zinc on the inside of the Holly and it was getting stuck in the jets. Took him to the store to get an Edelbrock , he said they are made with a different material. When he opened it up, the inside looked like someone had put rubber cement in the carb. I also drain my equipment often, so I have not had an issue.

[hunter63]

Gasoline/ethanol mix has rotted out so many fuel lines in the 2 cycle and some 4 cycle "stuff" I have .....I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy to ween the American Male off gas powered "stuff".

They do have straight gasoline out at "The Place" with is not in the smog reduction zone, like the city house....but it is still a good idea to drain out anything you are not gonna use in a couple of days. Delays fuel line replacement for a year or two.

I have actually gone to corded weed wacker and leave sucker/blower in town, as I just want to get the job done, not rebuild everything/time I just to do a 10 min job.

"THEY" seem to be winning.....LOL

I have heard about using veg oil as a mix in 2 strokes, so I thought that's what you were talking about.

I have a chain saw "in the shop" at the moment for a card rebuild....waiting on a winter day.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Well I stopped by the parts store and got some carb cleaner and stabil specifically for ethanol. Bet you one thing I won't use that stabil unless I have to, real gas for my tools from now till' I simply can't get it! Yeah I have a rotten fuel line to deal with too Hunter. I don't even want to think about what my chainsaw may be like. Going to try them all one at a time. Maybe just maybe everything will run better when I am done right! Say what you wish about ethanol not being a problem, but I have been rebuilding carbs since I was knee high to a grasshopper I have never seen what looked like pine resin in the throat of nearly brand new carb!

[huntermj]

My boat is a 1976, so i add lead but i did'nt add Sta-bil. it only took a few tanks to start fouling things up. I added sta-bil and all is good again. Oh and i started buying the non-ethnol gas from the dock. yes its still available but only in some area's.

[2dumb2kwit]

Rick, the alky will eat rubber lines, seals, coatings and aluminum. I know the owner of a small engine shop, and the owner of a Yamaha dealership. Both say that the majority of their "won't run/won't run right" jobs, are engines that have set up, with alky/gas in them.

I have not tried it, but I have heard several people who I trust recomend using "sea foam engine treatment" in anything that gets alky/gas run in it. They say it does a good job dealing with the crud. (Mind you, this is not a cure for ones that have set up.)

[LowKey]

I've heard the same thing about Sea Foam. Around here we're seeing a lot of white crystalline dendrite stuff. If the alcohol fuel is left to dry in the machine it can really jam things up if that stuff sets up in there.
I just bought a new chain saw and the dealer told me both about the Sea Foam and about the cans of gas they sell that don't have ethanol. Here it's called SEF-94. Two year shelf life. You buy it like lamp kerosene. Didn't ask the price.

[hunter63]

I've heard the same thing about Sea Foam. Around here we're seeing a lot of white crystalline dendrite stuff. If the alcohol fuel is left to dry in the machine it can really jam things up if that stuff sets up in there.
I just bought a new chain saw and the dealer told me both about the Sea Foam and about the cans of gas they sell that don't have ethanol. Here it's called SEF-94. Two year shelf life. You buy it like lamp kerosene. Didn't ask the price.

Yeah I use sea foam as well, and I do know they sell the premixed stuff in a can.....pricey, but there is a shelf life to consider on equipment that doesn't get used regularly.
Might be worth it foe gen-sets and such, where you don't use them much, but don't need to screw with them when you need them.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Yeah I use sea foam as well, and I do know they sell the premixed stuff in a can.....pricey, but there is a shelf life to consider on equipment that doesn't get used regularly.
Might be worth it foe gen-sets and such, where you don't use them much, but don't need to screw with them when you need them.

Is the sea foam mixed in the gas or is it used to clean up the varnish after the fact. I saw it on the shelf, just decided to get what I know works which is carb cleaner since I already tore'em down. If I recall a gallon of Sea Foam was 53 bucks! Ouch!

[hunter63]

When I dissasemble a carb, I use carb cleaner, as well....Sea Foam is mixed with the gas, supposed to clean as it runs, and helps absorb moisture and make it more burnable...If that makes any sense.
In my outboard, I use an additive made by Mercury, recomended by my boat fix-it guy....That's a 2 cycle, as well,and acts like sea foam.

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