Backpacking Kit Start

[Sparky93]

I bought this today at a thrift store/ head shop.

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It is a Fox Gear teardrop pack, got it for $20. I plan on using it on my trip to the Hoosier National Forest this coming weekend. One modifaction I'd like to make is to add some sort of straps on the botton so that I can store my rolled up tarp and sleeping bag on the bottom. I'm thinking a piece of paracord sewn onto the bottom will do the trick, but I am open to sugestions on a better way to do it.

[Winter]

Most True Value hardware stores carry webbing and fastex buckles. I'd go that route if I were you. It gives you more area to sew it so it'l be stronger.

You can get used medium ALICE packs for $20. I have $200 packs but I use an ALICE I found at the dump,lol.

[Sparky93]

Most True Value hardware stores carry webbing and fastex buckles. I'd go that route if I were you. It gives you more area to sew it so it'l be stronger.

You can get used medium ALICE packs for $20. I have $200 packs but I use an ALICE I found at the dump,lol.

Man I wish I would of found an alice pack that price first, they also had one of those there but it was $65. Most of their stuff is dirt cheap though, they had nice used leather jackets for $20, I thought there surplus fatigues were a little high though at $8 for a pair of pants. I checked the fox gear website and they wholesale the teardrop packs for $30 a peice. Oh well, it will serve my purpose fine for now if I can store the tarp, sleeping pad, and bag on the bottom. The inside is pretty spacious storage wise, I do wish it had a watter bottle pouch on the outside though. I guess if I ever upgrade this can be made into a truck kit and throwed behind the seat.

[Sparky93]

Oh and by the way I like the webbing idea, hopefully I can find somewhere around here that sells it.

[Sparky93]

For a two day backpacking trip, how much water should I carry with me? With the canteens I have now, I have the capability to carry ruffly two quarts of water.

[cm79]

Sparky I made my own straps from stuff I bought at Wal-mart.They sell the strap material by the sewing items and the buckle and slide kits by the camping stuff. You can make them really cheap.If you have a lot of water in the area 2qts would be fine, I myself live in Northren WI and there is water ever where.I use the polar pure water disinfectant works awesome and treats 2000qrts there lots of deals on the e-net for it.I got to back pack about 70miles this summer and the straps are still holding up.P.S. buy the strap material longer than you need it.

[pete lynch]

Walmart also has pre-made tie-down straps at decent prices. Yesterday I bought a 1 in. x 6 ft strap/buckle for $1.98 I think.

[cm79]

I've seen the one's your talking about pete. I don't like the snap kind unless there very well made those ones I always seem to break them. I like the kind you pull tight.Then again maybe its just the way I tighten them "just a little bit tighter" SNAP! "Damit" lol.

[Rick]

Sparky, it's a bit hard to tell from the pic but I don't think the material that pack is made from will lend itself to much weight being strung on the bottom regardless of what you use. Another option for the two day trip is to set it up like the old M-1936 musette bag. You can see the bedroll is strapped and tied to the pack. That way you won't be making any mods to the pack itself and the shoulder straps will be supporting the weight. I don't see a waist belt on the pack either. That means all the weight is going to be on your shoulders and you are going to be very unhappy if you have to haul it very far. You want the weight to be strapped to your hips and your shoulders to balance the load. I would 2nd and 3rd the Alice pack but if that's what you have to work with then I'd go with the musette bag set up based on the pic you provided.

http://www.olive-drab.com/images/pack_ww2.jpg

[SARKY]

I second Ricks idea of rolling up your tarp and bag and tying/strapping it over the top in an inverted "U". It won't bounce around as you hike and be a bit more compact.

[Sparky93]

Rick, the material the pack is made of is roughly 3/16" thick rugged cotton canvas, and the weight I plan to secure from the bottom is about 4 or 5 pounds at most. Do you still think the canvas is not rigged enough to support this? Also one reason I would like to avoid the setup you showed is because it would cover the zipper on my pack and I would not be able to access the content of my pack without removing the bedroll.

So far my gear list includes the following:

Fire Steel
Bic Lighter
Petroleum Jelly
Cotton Balls
2- 1 Quart Canteens (one on my belt the other in my pack)
also one of the canteen has a stainless steel cup like a military canteen cup, exept it is made to fit the bottom of the cylidrical bottle
10x12 Tarp
Tent Stakes Bungee Cord
Tooth Brush
Tooth Paste
Bar of Soap
Toilet Paper
Enough packs of Ramen Noodles
Paracord
Multi-Tool

There was something else I was planning on adding to the list, but it eludes my memory.

[Sparky93]

Haha! it was a flashlight, thats what I ment to add to the list.....

[kyratshooter]

Sparky, check with your campus rec. department.

Where I went to school the rec department had all this stuff available FREE with a student ID, or at very low cost. This is espically true if the club is a campus approved function. I am surprised you group does not have extra gear for just these occasions.

You are probably spending money you do not have on second rate equipment.

If you put enough gear to do three days in that pack, plus blankets and tarp the straps are going to cut you in half at the shoulders! Roll your goodies and tie them to the op of the pack using the straps as an anchor point. As Rick said, it always works better than undernieth. You can get to the zipper by just flipping the rolled gear up a little. Then get a couple of thick pairs of GI socks or "monkey socks" and use them to pad the straps.

For water supply do not hesitate to take a 2liter soda bottle. YOU HAVE NO WATER PURIFICATION PLAN! At least go to Wallmart and get some purification tablets.

You have everything but the kitchen sink on that list but only ramen noodles as food! Ramen is not going to give you enough energy to hike for three days. Mix it up with some Lipton rice and sauce or Oddles of Noodles and a pack of beef jerky. Parcel out the jerky and crumble it into the carbs. It will add to taste and give you more energy. Pick up a variety box of instant oatmeal, You will need it for breakfast. Instant coffee too if you drink coffee. Get a couple of cans of vienna sausages and some crackers for lunches. Quick and no cooking needed. Snag some ziplock bags for your food. You should be able to get enough food other than Ramen to do the weekend for less than $10.

You also need to find a coffe can in addition to the canteen cup. If you can not snag a coffee can consider getting a can of generic beef stew in the large can. (Yes I know it is heavy and all water) Eat it for supper the first nigh, wash out the can and cook in the can for the rest of the weekend. You will be guarenteed one good meal.

You also do not have a stove, which may be required, or demanded, or much needed if the weather is damp. Make a mini hobo stove with a buddy burner or a tuna can with hand sanitizer for fuel. We have covered these things on the forum and I am sure you can search them out.

If you live through this trip PM me. This ain't my first economy roll-out.

What you are building is the three day "get home bag" you should already have in case something happens at school and you have to hoof it home. Once you put this together keep it together and sit it in the closet.

[Rick]

If the canvas is that heavy it would probably work. I thought it was more of a cotton fabric. I'd still try before hand and make certain it's going to do what you want it to. If you can sell it to a buddy then you might take the 15 or 20 you get from them and buy a medium Alice even without the frame. Here's a used, medium Alice without frame for $25. I've bought quite a bit of stuff from these guys and they are pretty good to work with. The Alice has loops on the bottom for attaching gear. Go down to line 56. Alice pack 04B:

http://www.sprucemtsurplus.com/canvasgoods.html

[kyratshooter]

At the very least, if you attach the ties to the bottom, back them up with a button sewn on the inside of the pack. Put the button inside and loop the thread around the paracord on the outside and through the buttonholes on the inside. Use dental floss, several wraps of it. Even the heavy canvas will pull through if you do not back it with something.

Hanging stuff on the bottom looks cool but is really a pain to deal with.

[Sparky93]

Krat, thanks for the all the info. The outing club does have a large supply of gear they loan out, but there is about 30 or 40 people going so there won't be enough packs to go around. I was planning on trying to snag a stove from the gear closet before somebody grabs the last one. I planning on making a run to walmart for some beef jerky and I like the oatmeal idea I think I'll get some of that two, and also some purifaction tablets if they have them. The orginizers of the trip are also bringing food for some group meals they have planned.

Rick, man I wished I had seen that yesterday, may have to get it anyway...

[Rick]

Make a stove. That's the easiest piece of gear. All you need is a used vegetable can and something to punch holes with. I'll bet the cafeteria has tons of them you can get for free.

http://www.castbullet.com/makeit/hobo.htm

Also, you probably need to throw in a small garbage bag to haul out your trash. You can also throw in a large garbage bag that you can make a poncho out of if it starts raining. Depending on where you are going and when S. Indiana can be pretty dry. I doubt there are many creeks flowing right now. Are you going to Deem Wilderness?

[Sparky93]

I got some dinty moore beef stew cans I could use (it aint dainty, it's dinty). We are going to the hoosier national forest.

[lucznik]

For a two day backpacking trip, how much water should I carry with me? With the canteens I have now, I have the capability to carry ruffly two quarts of water.

This is going to depend alot on the terrain, the weather, the distance you plan on covering each day, what you plan to eat, and the availability of acquiring water along the way. When I backpack/hunt in the high country of Wyoming where I live I plan on needing at least a full gallon of water each day though, on days when it's been hot and we've been working hard I've been known to drink almost double that. Hydration is paramount.

[Rick]

Do you have a specific trail you will be hiking?

[SARKY]

It would still be safe to wrap your bedroll over the top rather than risk tearing out the bottom of your pack.

"learn from other peoples mistakes, you won't live long enough to make them all yourself"

[Sparky93]

It would still be safe to wrap your bedroll over the top rather than risk tearing out the bottom of your pack.

"learn from other peoples mistakes, you won't live long enough to make them all yourself"

Great quote, I've been known to be pretty stuborn. The general consensus seems to be strap it on the top, so thats what I'll do. Should I still use webbing to strap it down on top, or does it matter?

[Sparky93]

Do you have a specific trail you will be hiking?

I'm supposed to learn more this week once they get it planned.

[Rick]

Wait until you find out what trail(s) you'll be on to worry about the water. Some are around lakes while others are not. If it's Knobstone that's a whole other animal. You'll want to know while mile markers/trail heads you are hiking if it's Knobstone.

[letslearntogether47]

I just recieved my Med. Alice pack Saturday from Ebay.New woodland camo pack with used frame was $29 before shipping and that was like $10.
The frame has a few rivets that are loose on one side.But still a pretty good bargain for a good quality pack.
Dave Canterburry has a great video on youtube about a modualized back pack configuration using a fanny pack and a alice pack frame.Perhapes if you got the frame you could do the same thing and have room for the bed roll.The frames can be found for short money on Ebay.

[finallyME]

A while ago, I tried to see if I could put together a good backpacking kit that was under $200 and less than 20lb. This is without food, water, and fuel. I have learned a lot since then. First, I would ditch the canvas bag. It is not built for backpacking. Put your books in it and take it to school. Your first course of action is to go to the schools outdoor rental store, or REI or another place that rents gear. You want to rent your backpack, and sleeping bag at the least. These are your most important items, and will determine how safe and fun the trip is. If you have to buy a pack, then the next stop is a thrift store (goodwill, etc). Look for a framed pack. Don't worry if the pack has tears in it, you want the frame. Aluminum is better than plastic, but get a backpack frame. Next is to make sure that the hipbelt and shoulder straps are good. If not, then you need to get good ones. I have been really impressed with MOLLE straps, and you can find them cheap on ebay. The pack bag can be as simple as a bunch of stuff sacks. Here, look at this picture. I have an old aluminum frame with MOLLE shoulder straps and hip belt with a bunch of cheap stuff sacks strapped on. Notice I use straps to tie on, that should answer one of your previous questions.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6142/5952837831_0bd6564a54_z.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6009/5952836807_f20c13042c_z.jpg
My second choice for a pack frame would be an ALICE frame. Regardless, you need a pack with a frame. All your stuff is way to heavy to be without a frame.
That picture shows what can be done when you have to carry 2 sleeping bags, two shelter, and a lot of food for you and 2 others.
If you have to buy a sleeping bag, your cheapest option is to go to walmart and buy a Coleman Max brand. I would look at either the 20F or the 0F bag. I don't know how cold it gets for you. If it gets in the 20s, then buy the 0F, if it gets in the high 30s, then get the 20F bag. Don't buy any other brand except Coleman Max at walmart. Don't buy the Coleman brand, it must be Coleman Max. There are better bags than that, but you have to spend more money. Use that as a base.
Looking at your list, I would ditch the tooth brush and paste. Are you going with girls? If so, then keep them, if not, then you can do without for 2 days. Also, make sure you aren't taking too much TP. I am a baby and my butt likes baby wipes, so I put a bunch in a ziplock bag. I use less paper with babywipes, so I don't have to take so much, plus they keep me really clean in the area that needs to be the cleanest.
You need for fat and protein than just ramen. Ramen is great, just make sure to bring lots of food with fat and protein in it, like nuts, olive oil, etc.
Water is your heaviest item. The less you are carrying the better. The length of stay doesn't determine how much water you carry. The availability does. When I did my week long trip, I never carried more than 32 oz. If you don't have a water filter, then you should not carry more than 2 X 32 oz bottles. You have one that you are drinking from, and one that you just put a tablet it, and it needs time to kill the fun stuff. I recommend chlorine dioxide tablets over iodine tabs. Less side effects. Also, if you can, bring something that can hold a lot of water, and carry it empty. Now I use a 48 oz collapsable nalgene, but in the past I have used a gallon milk jug.
You didn't list your clothing. You only need one pair of clothing that will keep you warm in the coldest possible temps. Layering is the best here. Most of the clothes you need, you can get from a thrift store. I would stay clear of denim jeans and cotton sweat shirts/pants.
Make sure you have a pad to sleep on. If you don't, the blue $7 one at walmart is perfect. Don't bring an inflatable, unless it is insulated.

Good luck.

[Rick]

You can upgrade the Alice pack with Molle shoulder straps and kidney pad/hip belt. It makes for a very comfortable bag. Basically what you have on an Alice frame and pack.

[hunter63]

Dumb question, how do y'all store you Alice pack when kept packed, I had to mount a couple of hooks on the wall to keep it from falling over?
BTW my Alice has loops on the bottom for gear straps.......currently sleeping pad strapped on...not sure if i like that.

[Sparky93]

finallyme, thanks for the great info. There will be girls on this trip so some essintial items do include: toothbrush & paste, deoderant, and smell good spray LOL. My sleeping pad is a wenzel self-inflating pad, the forcast is showing about 45 low at most for this weekend, will this pad work okay?

[hunter63]

Oh yeah, bears and bug like foo-foo spray.....Oh to be young again....LOL.
Have a good time.......

[letslearntogether47]

Dumb question, how do y'all store you Alice pack when kept packed, I had to mount a couple of hooks on the wall to keep it from falling over?
BTW my Alice has loops on the bottom for gear straps.......currently sleeping pad strapped on...not sure if i like that.


That's actually a good question,Hunter.I'm thinking of keeping the box the pack came in and storing it in there.
I noticed the loops at the bottom for tying on a sleeping pad or even a bag.
Sounds like a fun trip,Sparky.Maybe some beef jerky to break up in the Ramon noodles would add protien and doesn't weigh much.
Also don't forget the knife.I see some even take along an axe or even a small shovel for burying human evidence.

[finallyME]

finallyme, thanks for the great info. There will be girls on this trip so some essintial items do include: toothbrush & paste, deoderant, and smell good spray LOL. My sleeping pad is a wenzel self-inflating pad, the forcast is showing about 45 low at most for this weekend, will this pad work okay?

self inflating normally means that there is insulation inside. The insulation is what makes it self-inflating. 45 isn't that cold, so any insulating pad should work.

Oh yeah, since there are girls coming. Don't bring any dry TP. Bring twice as much baby wipes as you would normally. You can use them to take a shower, and you can share for brownie points. :ladysman: You will just have to trust me on that one.

[finallyME]

You can upgrade the Alice pack with Molle shoulder straps and kidney pad/hip belt. It makes for a very comfortable bag. Basically what you have on an Alice frame and pack.

Yes, I have seen the thread and pictures of others doing it. But, I still am not convinced. Although, I will say that adding a MOLLE suspension system to the ALICE system is a huge improvement. In fact, I have been very impressed with my MOLLE suspension system on other frames as well. When I bought the MOLLE suspension with the MOLLE frame, the MOLLE frame weighed more than my cheap aluminum frame I got when I was 11 at a garage sale, a long time ago. The aluminum frame was also bigger, and I knew I needed to carry a lot of bulk (I carried stuff for my 4 yr old son). Now, I am trying to get/make a frame that is as small as the MOLLE, but lighter than my aluminum frame. The ALICE frame is about as heavy as the MOLLE. So, it all comes down to weight.

[Sparky93]

That's actually a good question,Hunter.I'm thinking of keeping the box the pack came in and storing it in there.
I noticed the loops at the bottom for tying on a sleeping pad or even a bag.
Sounds like a fun trip,Sparky.Maybe some beef jerky to break up in the Ramon noodles would add protien and doesn't weigh much.
Also don't forget the knife.I see some even take along an axe or even a small shovel for burying human evidence.

The thing about the knife and the hatchet is that they are not campus aprooved. I can have a knife, so long as the blade length is not longer than the width of my hand. I've been on the lookout for the past couple of weeks for a fixblade that fits this criteria, but for now I have my trusty gerber suspension multi-tool. A hatchet is probably my favorite tool out in the woods back home, but it doesn't fit into the campus no weapons policy.

[letslearntogether47]

Ok,now I remember you mentioning this before.
Thus the picture of the giant stone hand was posted.lol

[kyratshooter]

On an organized back-pack on regular trails you will not need the hatchet. There will be no chance to cut, chop or split. That is a no-no in the backpacking world and in most national forests. Most do not even allow open fires. Your Gerber suspension will do just fine for a three day outing.

Do not kid yourself, 45 degrees is butt freezing cold, espically if there is a drizzle. Hypothermia is common at 50 degrees so do not kid yourself that 45 is warm. You are not one of our Alaskan contingent.

I really wish you had started packing a week ago, I could have shipped you most of the stuff you are deficient on. No time now.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Dumb question, how do y'all store you Alice pack when kept packed, I had to mount a couple of hooks on the wall to keep it from falling over?
BTW my Alice has loops on the bottom for gear straps.......currently sleeping pad strapped on...not sure if i like that.

I have the same gripe about the falling over I am still working on a fix even after making a custom shelf to prop it upright! Still falls over the durn thing needs a kickstand!

[Sparky93]

Kyrat, thanks for the offer. I'll scrape together what I need for this weekend and then I'll be more prepared for the next. I think i'll be able to snag most of the stuff I am deficient on in the gear closet. I'm stilll waiting to figue out where were going to determine my water situation.

[Rick]

Sparky - There was a major wind storm in Southern Indiana a few years back and it downed many, many trees in Hoosier National. There will be firewood a plenty I'm sure. We had a good 1 inch rain today it looks like S. In. probably had much more so there shouldn't be any problem with open fires.

Alice falls over. She just does. I actually lay mine front down on a shelf with the top pointing out so I can get to stuff without having to take it off the shelf.

I stayed on the Knobstone one night in 50°F weather with a fairly stiff breeze and I thought I was going to freeze to death before sunrise. It's actually one of the coldest nights I've ever spent outside and that was in summer. Never under estimate mother nature to kick your posterior. She gets some perverse pleasure from watching you shiver.

Sparky - Just before you pick up the knife whack your hand with a hammer. Give it a few minutes to swell and you should be able to carry a good sized knife.

LLT - The difference between factory original shoulder straps and the Molle upgrade is the difference between night and day. My Alice is a joy to carry with the new straps. I'm an old guy that's had shoulders rebuilt multiple times and the straps made a HUGE difference as did the waist belt.

[Sparky93]

Well I'm not going to be able to go on this trip, parents are wanting me home this weekend. Atleast this will give me more time to get organized for the next trip. The club takes a trip at least every other week so I'll have another opportunity. Plus this will give me some time to find a frame pack.

[letslearntogether47]

Let us know what you end up with,Sparky.
I looked into some MOLLE shoulder straps on ebay.They cost almost as much as the pack cost me.But,if it makes a big difference on how the load feels,then I'll be looking to upgrade for sure.

[billdawg]

Rick, the material the pack is made of is roughly 3/16" thick rugged cotton canvas, and the weight I plan to secure from the bottom is about 4 or 5 pounds at most. Do you still think the canvas is not rigged enough to support this? Also one reason I would like to avoid the setup you showed is because it would cover the zipper on my pack and I would not be able to access the content of my pack without removing the bedroll.

So far my gear list includes the following:

Fire Steel
Bic Lighter
Petroleum Jelly
Cotton Balls
2- 1 Quart Canteens (one on my belt the other in my pack)
also one of the canteen has a stainless steel cup like a military canteen cup, exept it is made to fit the bottom of the cylidrical bottle
10x12 Tarp
Tent Stakes Bungee Cord
Tooth Brush
Tooth Paste
Bar of Soap
Toilet Paper
Enough packs of Ramen Noodles
Paracord
Multi-Tool

There was something else I was planning on adding to the list, but it eludes my memory.

I see you have a multi tool, which are nice, but think about taking a good, stout, fixed blade knife. One that you can chop small branches with if need be.

[Sparky93]

I see you have a multi tool, which are nice, but think about taking a good, stout, fixed blade knife. One that you can chop small branches with if need be.
I completely agree with you, I would much rather have a fix blade over my multi tool when it come to processing material. But I live on a college campus and I can have knife, it's just the blade can't be reasonably longer than the width of my hand. I have been on the look out for a reasonably priced fix blade that fit's this criteria, but for now I just got my trusty multi tool.

[billdawg]

I completely agree with you, I would much rather have a fix blade over my multi tool when it come to processing material. But I live on a college campus and I can have knife, it's just the blade can't be reasonably longer than the width of my hand. I have been on the look out for a reasonably priced fix blade that fit's this criteria, but for now I just got my trusty multi tool.


Amazing, that we are so scared of inanimate objects. How sad. When you do go looking for some, the Gerber LMF is a nice knife. I have had one for a couple years, and they work great. I have chopped down limbs, etc with it, and it has held up extremely well. It has a good balance that fits my hand well. I think they go for around $80ish. I got mine a little cheaper, at the PX on the AFB near by.
I have also heard good things about the Bear Grylls Gerber.. I know lots of folks(and I'm one of them) don't necessarily endorse everything Bear does, but the knife is reasonably priced, made by Gerber(which I trust), and is fairly stout. If you can live with his signature on it, I'd say go for it. It comes with a flint & steel as well, I think.

[Sparky93]

I finally have some time to give you guys a little update on the kit I have been attempting to put together. I took you guys advice a few weeks ago and ordered a large alice pack off eBay for $22. Sorry for the poor picture quality my phones camera isn't very good.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TVblmWnIBAE/TrhtjnwIJVI/AAAAAAAAAKg/5u9D-CjKOuo/s400/Alice1.jpg

I made a little modification to it just a little while ago, I made a paracord cobra-stitch handle with a little inspiration from one I saw a picture of a while back. I don't remember if I saw that on here or somewhere else, but I guess it is actually a king cobra since I did one cobra stitch over the first.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8Wn-46FSWWU/Trhtjoj0SII/AAAAAAAAAKc/HK4XV1Xk2lM/s400/Alice2.jpg

The thing on top is my Wenzel self-inflating sleeping pad, inside there is a 20 degree sleeping bag, 10x12 tarp, and a crud load of other smaller things.

[crashdive123]

Nice mods. Nice pack.

[Rick]

That's the exact set up I have on my pack. You are gonna love those pads and that belt. They are hands down tons better than the original ALICE. I like the handle mod, too. I had never thought of that but I'll be adding it tomorrow. Yeah, it's a King Cobra. Just get the chest strap adjusted so it doesn't choke you.

Very nice job!!!!

[Sparky93]

Rick - the pads are very comfortable, the pack weighs about 45 or 50 pounds right now without food or water and I can barely even feel it on my back. I ended up redoing my first attempt at the handle, I had just finished the last cobra stitch and was trying it out when the base layer the weave is built upon broke because of where I had placed the spot where the paracord was melted together. I started to rig it to work because I was mad that I just got it done and then it broke. I had to stop myself and say if it is worth doing it is worth doing right. I am glad I redid it too, it looks better than the first try and is a lot stronger. I think there is about 15-20' of paracord in it.
I think I may have caught the paracord bug that has been going around, since I got my first roll of paracord a few weeks ago I have made two bracelets, a zipper pull for my school pack, and now this.... a rock sling is soon to be in progress....

[finallyME]

Rick, those aren't MOLLE pads, those are upgraded ALICE pads. They will be more comfortable than the original ALICE pads though.

45-50 lbs....ouch. I usually can't feel the weight until I am about 5 or 6 miles down the road, but then I really feel it. Of course, by day 3, you feel pretty good.

[Rick]

Well, all I can tell you is the pads I ordered were advertised as Molle pads and I had to modify the frame for them to fit. They look just like the ones he has on his pack. His may be Alice, I don't know. Either way, I'm pretty danged happy with mine. I've got some stuff going on this morning but hope to get to the pack handle this afternoon. I'll post some pics of mine when I get done. Today or tomorrow for sure. I want that handle!!!!! That's got to be handy as a pocket on a shirt. I'm forever grabbing the frame to sit it down or pick it up.

[finallyME]

From what I remember, ALICE has two designations, LC1 and LC2. LC1 was the original equipment (well actually the second iteration, the first being made from cotton and the second from nylon). LC2 came out more recently, before MOLLE. MOLLE shoulder straps are not individual, they are attached to a back pad panel. You attach the back panel to the frame. MOLLE shoulder straps also have load lifters. Notice his shoulder straps are individual, attach to the top bar, and don't have load lifters. The quick release is also not a MOLLE quick release. Those are LC2 shoulder straps. The hip belt is also not a MOLLE belt. It only has one big strap in the back to attach to the frame, and it uses the old OD green 2" strap with a red stripe. LC2 again.

[Sparky93]

Ya, they are upgraded Alice pads, or at least that is what the guy that sold it to me said. Looking forward to seeing your handle Rick, I am happy with how mine turned out.

[Sparky93]

I still need to find A piece of foam to put on the frame like I have seen some people due to make the pack even more cumfy and also so when they start to make camp, they can use the pad to kneel on for fire starting or shelter setup if it the ground is damp so you don't end up with wet knees. Do Home Depot or Menards have the foam like I am thinking of, I don't really know how to describe it in words but it is really rubbery and about 3/4 of an inch thick?

FM - It is around 45 - 50 lbs probably less though this is just my guesstimation, thinkin bout it now it is probably 40 at most minus food and water....

[Rick]

One of the advantages of the Alice frame is you get air circulation across your back. If you stuff if full of foam it's going to be hot and your back will sweat.

[Sparky93]

One of the advantages of the Alice frame is you get air circulation across your back. If you stuff if full of foam it's going to be hot and your back will sweat.

I didn't think about that, it is something I have seen other people show online. Anybody got anymore alice tips or mod ideas?

[crashdive123]

I didn't think about that, it is something I have seen other people show online. Anybody got anymore alice tips or mod ideas?

You can get almost anything you want at her restaurant.

[Rick]

Okay, I put a handle on both my Alice packs so I'll show you how I did it minus a tutorial on weaving the paracord, which you can find anywhere online. The first one is a medium Alice and serves as my master trauma kit. Since it's a medium it has the metal shoulder strap keepers on the pack. I removed one of the straps and changed one so you can see everything a little clearer (I hope).

I used 20 feet of paracord and had roughly a foot left over. That is really going to depend on the size of handle you want. I made the handle a bit smaller on my large pack and had about 18 inches left over.

Step 1 is to thread the paracord through the pack keeper then through the frame keeper. Bring the paracord back around and insert it through the pack keeper and frame keeper again. This will give you a double loop around the frame. Make certain the ends of your paracord are even.

Allow enough paracord on both sides of the frame to form the handle then slide each end through the opposite frame keeper and pack keeper threading it from opposite directions.

(the strap on the right actually goes through the pack keeper. I just moved it for the sake of the picture)

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/handle1.jpg

Adjust the length of your handle by pulling on the paracord on the left side of the picture. If you want a longer handle pull up on the handle. If you want a smaller handle pull on the ends of the paracord.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/handle2.jpg

Here's what it looks like with the straps assembled as they should be.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/handle3.jpg

Then just start weaving the cord. I made a King Cobra stitch as Sparky did on his. It makes a larger handle and feels pretty comfortable. Here's the finished handle.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/handle5.jpg

And here's a shot of the pack for FinallyMe so you can see my shoulder straps.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/handle4.jpg

Since the large Alice doesn't have the pack keeper the only thing you have to worry about is the frame keeper. Make the handle the same way just looping it through the frame keeper. Here's a shot of both of them. The large Alice is on the left and the medium is on the right. It looks backwards but the large Alice is almost empty and the medium is stuffed full.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/handle6.jpg

It took me about an hour to make the handle for the medium pack because I messed with the straps for the pictures. The large Alice took about 20 minutes.

If you have any questions just ask. Thanks Sparky for the inspiration!!! They are the berries!!!!!!!!!!!

[finallyME]

Great handles. So Rick, can you see the difference between your MOLLE shoulder straps and Sparky's LC2 ALICE shoulder straps? Also, the torso adjustments on your packs look really short.

[Rick]

Yeah, once I went back and looked at his, after you posted, I could see the difference. The medium is set up for my wife. The large is mine but it's just slid down. It's the way it's laying.

[hunter63]

Guess I gonna have to give it a try as well, one of my pet peaves is no good way to hang the pack in camp or for storage. keep falling over.

Thanks guys! Sparky and Rick.

[Sparky93]

I am thinking of getting this pouch for my Nalgene water bottle http://www.tacgearstore.com/condor-modular-pouch-p-189.html
That seems to be the best price I can find, I don't know much about the different manufacturers so I just wanted to make sure there is not a better option before I order this pouch. I like how it has a little pouch on the front, I'd probably keep water purification tabs (which are something I still need to get) and maybe a little stove for cooking with my canteen cup witch would also be stored in this pouch with the bottle. Which brings up another question, what is y'alls opinion on the Esbit pocket stove? I am pretty sure it has been discussed on here before, but I can't find it. Is it worth it or is there a better option?

[Sparky93]

Here is a pretty good video review I found on it, I like it even more now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x9TuCDu70B0

[Rick]

Condor is a good brand name. They make some quality gear. I have a bunch of their stuff. I've looked at that pouch before. If you are getting it to attach to your pack then remember that you'll have to sit the pack down each time you want a drink. I don't think you'll be able to unzip the top and retrieve the bottle on the move.

I went with the canteen because I can store a canteen cup and cooker beneath the canteen, which gives me everything I need. I use an MRS Pocket Rocket but still have everything if I run out of fuel or a zombie steps on my stove.

The Esbit stove is a good stove. It was originally a German WWII individual stove so it's been around a while and seen plenty of use. It has two settings for the legs so you can open them fully upright to use a pan or set the legs at about a 50 degree angle to use something smaller like a canteen cup. I haven't measured the angle. I'm just guessing. It only weighs about six ounces so it's pretty light weight. The fuel is pretty efficient, too. Takes just a few minutes to boil water and you can blow the fuel out and save it for later. Also makes a good fire starter. Even if you ran out of fuel you could use wood to cook on. The stove holds six of the Esbit fuel tabs folded up. My son carries one and I've used it off and on. It's a good functional stove that doesn't weigh much. You could probably store it in the pouch on the side of the Condor.

[finallyME]

I usually just carry the esbit fuel tabs and not the stove. When I want to cook, I look around for two rocks the right size and shape and put my cup on top with the esbit under. But, the stove is still pretty light. You can also modify it to be a little lighter.

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