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letslearntogether47
09-16-2011, 09:20 AM
Anybody ever build one?Or toy around with alternators and charging batteries?
I've been researching to find out how to do this.Watched a bunch of youtube videos as well.I have an old 4-5 hp. craftsman mower that I went through and got it running good.
Also have a battery,and a 750 watt power invertor.The only missing components are,the alternator,A pullys,belt and a base to hold it all.
The base and pullys should be a snap as I have lots of machining/welding equipment at my disposal.The base can also be made from plywood and 2x4s.
Just not sure on the alternator.I know it needs to have an internal voltage regulator.I have a friend that works at a alternator rebuild place.
The alternators are filed by vehicle and year.Not sure what vehicle would have a good alternator for this project.
2Dumb built one. I can't seem to find the post at the moment but he's posted pictures a couple of times. Shoot him a PM in case he doesn't see this thread. He will probably be home this week-end and log on.
finallyME
09-16-2011, 10:22 AM
You can also use a permanent magnet DC motor as a generator.
letslearntogether47
09-16-2011, 10:23 AM
2Dumb built one. I can't seem to find the post at the moment but he's posted pictures a couple of times. Shoot him a PM in case he doesn't see this thread. He will probably be home this week-end and log on.
Thanks for the heads up Rick.Figured somebody here would have toyed around with this kind of stuff.
letslearntogether47
09-16-2011, 10:24 AM
You can also use a permanent magnet DC motor as a generator.
Yeah,been reading up on them as well.I guess they work really good for wind turbines.
I'm looking to come away from this a cheaply as possible.It's basically going to be a loaner for running a coal or pellet stove during pwer outages.
letslearntogether47
09-16-2011, 10:27 AM
finallyMe,
Off topic,but did your Husky take to that back pack without any issues?
I just ordered one for my Husky from Ebay(Outward Hound)I think is the name of the company.
Also got myself a medium Alice pack.Figure we might do some fall hiking this season.
kyratshooter
09-16-2011, 04:33 PM
I made one several years ago. Unless your wind turbine has some 15 foot blades and can turn about 1000 rpm a car generator is not the way to go. They will bog down a 3hp B&S engine when the circuit kicks in.
I used it to charge my deep cycle 200 amp battery that powered the 12v in my RV and finally realized I was better off installing the battery as an alternate in my truck. The 1 1/2 hour round trip to work would charge it without wasting the extra gas or time.
Sparky93
09-16-2011, 05:15 PM
Yeah,been reading up on them as well.I guess they work really good for wind turbines.
I'm looking to come away from this a cheaply as possible.It's basically going to be a loaner for running a coal or pellet stove during pwer outages.
A freind of mine made a wind turbine out of a truck alternator. I forget the output but for the blade he used a 6' long 8" diameter pvc pipe for the blades. By cutting the PVC pipe a certain way he got a nice countoured blade. I think I got some pictures around here somewhere of it.
Sparky93
09-16-2011, 05:24 PM
I couldn't find the pictures I had of it, but here is some pictures I found online of some PVC blades on a smaller scale.
http://www.mdpub.com/Wind_Turbine/images/blades2.jpg
Heres the how to website http://www.mdpub.com/Wind_Turbine/
hunter63
09-16-2011, 05:31 PM
Here's one that was in Mother Earth News Mag. in 1985:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/1985-05-01/Wind-Generator.aspx
Another list of sites on "Build It Solar"
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Projects.htm
shiftyer1
09-17-2011, 12:50 AM
My brother in law built one with a gas edger and a car altenator. he used the frame of the edger and the extended blade part for the alternator. I don't no how much power it put out but I know it would run an electric drill.
erunkiswldrnssurvival
09-19-2011, 07:35 AM
i have used the generator out of a 1963 ford falcon, i had to also use the voltage regulator that is an external unit. most alternators have voltage regulators in them as a means of converting the DC energy to AC hence the name "Alternator" the critical thing is that you spin the alternator at the proper speed to generate the elec. a minimum of 2,600 RPM.
I think you have that backwards. The alternator produces AC and is fed through diodes (bridge rectifier) to convert it to DC to charge the battery. The voltage regulator prevents undercharging or overcharging of the battery. You'll generate electricity no matter what speed the shaft rotates at but the voltage regulator will limit the current flow in the rotor windings if you are below or above the target voltage, which should be about 13.5 VDC give or take. You may well need the 2600 RPMs for the voltage regulator, I don't know about that. I would think it would depend in the specific voltage regulator as to what speed it needs to run.
As long as the "generator" is running the entire load is running on the alternator not on the battery. In fact, the battery is just another load like a light bulb.
letslearntogether47
09-19-2011, 08:09 AM
A GM 10si style automotive alternator.
The alternator will fall into one of three categories.
A) External voltage regulator type.
This type of alternator does not have an internal regulator and must have one connected externally to control the alternator field intensity and thus the output voltage and current of the alternator. The disadvantage in using this type of alternator is that connection is a bit more complicated and the regulator is an added component that must be mounted and connected properly. This type of alternator is typically less expensive than the other options shown below, but like the model with an internal regulator, it too requires an external on / off switch or the alternator and regulator pair can discharge batteries when it is not charging and the switch is left on.
B) Single wire connection type with internal regulator.
The single wire connection type alternator automatically starts producing output power when the RPM of the input shaft reaches a minimum speed. And, when the RPM drops below a preset speed the output stops. A big advantage is that it does not require a switch to isolate the alternator from the battery source to keep the alternator from draining the battery when not in use. The disadvantage in using this type of alternator is that the alternator will start to charge the batteries as soon as the minimum speed is reached, and will place a load on the engine as soon as the minimum RPM is achieved. In some cases, you might need to throttle through this minimum RPM range to insure that the motor does not bog down at low RPM when the alternator begins to produce power. Another disadvantage is that these alternators are more expensive than other options, but it provides a very simple connection method.
C) Internal regulator type with external control switch.
Another option is to use the type we used on our last project. This alternator has an internal voltage regulator but requires an external switch to start or stop power production. The advantage in using this model is that the alternator can be switched off while the motor is still running and power output stops. This aids in connecting and disconnecting batteries or other loads.
One note in the Single wire connection type with internal regulator:
We found that the single wire configuration is not ideal for this application. Because the lawn mower engine mentioned above doesn't have much throttle adjustment, if a single wire configuration is used with a 2 1/2 inch pulley on the motor the alternator doesn't kick in without manually moving the throttle butterfly to a higher setting and then releasing. This problem might be eliminated by using a 3" pulley. However, a single wire configuration can be used on our last project using a horizontal shaft engine. The problem we have right now, is that we don't have all the answers yet for this configuration. Feel free to experiment, but with the motor we used and the pulley we used, it wasn't convent in that you had to reach under the carburetor to throttle up manually to start generation.
letslearntogether47
09-19-2011, 08:16 AM
I lucked out and found somebody locally that works at a rebuild place that can get me a delco part# CTBBB-7127-12 rebuilt, with internal voltage regulator, 65amp, two wire connector harness for $31.This is basically thC. style alternator that is mentioned above.
Maybe I'll do a build thread when I start this project.
LLT - Why can't you use a battery isolator in item A above? It's little more than a diode that passes current in one direction only. That way the alternator/regulator doesn't become a load on the battery. Current can pass to the battery but not back to the regulator. It would sit between the regulator and the battery.
letslearntogether47
09-19-2011, 10:54 AM
LLT - Why can't you use a battery isolator in item A above? It's little more than a diode that passes current in one direction only. That way the alternator/regulator doesn't become a load on the battery. Current can pass to the battery but not back to the regulator. It would sit between the regulator and the battery.
I'm not really big into wiring or electrical.But that certainly seems like a feasable way of getting around the battery discharge.I'm following the instructions from http://www.theepicenter.com/tow082099.html
They have wiring diagrams on the site.
kyratshooter
09-19-2011, 12:00 PM
I can see where it would be an issue on a wind turbine but if using a lawn mower engine one usually hooks the battery up when charging and disconnects when finished. I had jumper cables wired directly to my alternator and used the system to charge multiple battery apps.
Winnie
09-19-2011, 12:36 PM
By jove I think I've got one!
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z372/wychwood1/001-3.jpg
Found it among Dads stuff ages ago.
Indeed. We must talk to dad, however, about the peach colored engine. The rest of it is routy touty and manly enough.
Winnie
09-19-2011, 01:16 PM
Sadly dad is no longer with us. I'm sure a lightening bolt is heading your way as I type though, because it's a manly orange, not peach!
randyt
09-19-2011, 05:09 PM
I have a old book on the shelf called "autopower" it was printed in 1943 so it's a tad bit dated but it has all kinds of info about rewinding automobile generators to produce 110 vac. thankfully there is a some old generators and model t coils in the barn if I ever get feeling nostalgic and want to play with the old stuff. I believe the right modern alternator can be reworked to put out 110vac with out a inverter. I have links if there is any interest.
Bzzzzzzzzzzz Zap! (lights dim).
"Mom! What was that?"
"Your father is in the garage feeling nostalgic again."
"Is he alright?"
(Peers out window) "It looks like it. He's putting the fire out now."
randyt
09-19-2011, 05:31 PM
LOL, I still have all my toes, fingers and eyes. My hearing is starting to go though but I haven't burned a house down in years.LOL
2dumb2kwit
09-19-2011, 08:01 PM
The epicenter info that was linked to, is probably some of the best info you will find, for making a mow/gen.
Here are some more "project" that you guys may enjoy. (No, they're not mine. I'm not that smart.)LOL
http://otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments.html
Are you serious? Anything with a propeller + High speed + Me = Trouble.
shiftyer1
09-20-2011, 12:27 AM
This thread reminded me how much I wish I would have gotten my grandfathers generator. It was kept in the attached garage and wired into the house. It looked brand new, I really don't know if he ever had to use it. By it's size I assume it would have run most of the house. Generators can be very useful!
This is a good thread, I look foward to your results:)
letslearntogether47
09-20-2011, 09:02 AM
The epicenter info that was linked to, is probably some of the best info you will find, for making a mow/gen.
Here are some more "project" that you guys may enjoy. (No, they're not mine. I'm not that smart.)LOL
http://otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments.html
It took me a while to locate that epicenter site but they do have some great info there.
Thanks for posting the otherpower site.There's some pretty cool projects on there.
hunter63
09-20-2011, 11:48 AM
There are folks out there that can built most anything out of junk,....The problem for a lot of other people that don't have the junk/Stuff, laying around.
So the componats of that free lawn mower/alternator/generator has to be procured, (found/bought/stolen/fabricated), which to some is part of the fun, for others gets expensive quick.
Then there is the, "yeah, it works... But" factor....be aware that sometimes these projects don't do a job that you think they will.
Not trying to be a wet blanket, just relating some of my past experiences.
2dumb2kwit
09-20-2011, 11:55 AM
It took me a while to locate that epicenter site but they do have some great info there.
Thanks for posting the otherpower site.There's some pretty cool projects on there.
I don't know if you noticed, or not, but the link I posted is just their "experiments" page. If you go to their home page, there is tons more stuff.
hunter63
09-21-2011, 12:23 PM
There are folks out there that can built most anything out of junk,....The problem for a lot of other people that don't have the junk/Stuff, laying around.
So the componats of that free lawn mower/alternator/generator has to be procured, (found/bought/stolen/fabricated), which to some is part of the fun, for others gets expensive quick.
Then there is the, "yeah, it works... But" factor....be aware that sometimes these projects don't do a job that you think they will.
Not trying to be a wet blanket, just relating some of my past experiences.
That being said, I am gonna post a response to my own post.
After giving this comment on the feasibility of such projects,.... I did occur to me that just the ability to think out side the box, ability to use what is at hand for a solution to a problem or need.... is a skill in it's self.
Like any other skill needs to be practiced, especially in a SHTF scenario.
It might be worth any investment in time or materials to find out about "IT" (what ever you can come up with.
If it can be done.
How it can be done.
Results........If it doesn't work out, that is a learning experiance as well.
I always figure that if 50% of mine work out I'm good with that.
Maybe I'm wrong on this but it seems like the folks that can build something out of nothing are also pretty good with a map. Those that can't are pretty bad with a map and directions in general. I think it has something to do with the ability to picture it in your mind (both the "thing" and directions) before hand. I think that's a large part genetics. There are McGyvers and there are victims (chuckle).
erunkiswldrnssurvival
09-21-2011, 09:36 PM
I think you have that backwards. The alternator produces AC and is fed through diodes (bridge rectifier) to convert it to DC to charge the battery. The voltage regulator prevents undercharging or overcharging of the battery. You'll generate electricity no matter what speed the shaft rotates at but the voltage regulator will limit the current flow in the rotor windings if you are below or above the target voltage, which should be about 13.5 VDC give or take. You may well need the 2600 RPMs for the voltage regulator, I don't know about that. I would think it would depend in the specific voltage regulator as to what speed it needs to run.
As long as the "generator" is running the entire load is running on the alternator not on the battery. In fact, the battery is just another load like a light bulb.
thats right Rick the power is AC and must be converted to DC. i thought right wrote wrong. i made one of these generators in NC about 10 years ago. i used a water wheel hooked up to a 10 speed frame to adjust the gear ratio. the alternator was designed to produce power at peak with a speed of 2,600 rpm, never got there with the water wheel, only at near flood stage. it produced power though i used a series of car batteries, 3 of them. it worked good. i ran a mini fridge off of it and a light that was a turn signal lamp. i had a small power converter that was rated for 120V it had a cig lighter end that i removed and spliced the wires. just to add a comment, the 10 speed reduced the water force necessary to turn the generator and could be adjusted for high and low water flow conditions, it had bugs but the idea worked.
Sparky93
09-21-2011, 09:52 PM
If you could get ahold of an electric motor, they can also be used as a generator. I bet if you could find one from a grain auger you could get some pretty good power output versus using an alternator.
Your electric drill can be used as an emergency generator. Just chuck a handle in it's jaws and turn it. You'll produce voltage at the battery contacts or at the cord plug.
Sparky93
09-21-2011, 11:55 PM
Your electric drill can be used as an emergency generator. Just chuck a handle in it's jaws and turn it. You'll produce voltage at the battery contacts or at the cord plug.
I see how that could work, hadn't ever thought about that.
erunkiswldrnssurvival
09-22-2011, 05:57 AM
the faraday flashlight is a brilliant invention.
Well, thank you. It took me a couple of days to come up with that. Oh, look, meds are here.
letslearntogether47
10-13-2011, 09:12 AM
Update.
Been busy with a few other projects before the weather gets too cold.
Rebuilt the lawnmower carburator and tuned it up,starts first pull now.
I purchased a delco part# CTBBB-7127 from a friend that works in a rebuild shop(no core charge).
Ran into a small problem with the lawnmower drive shaft.It had a spline instead of a key.Ended up boring out a pully and bolting the spline blade mount to the pully.
I have a 12 x 24 inch 10 gage metal plate cut and ready to fabricate a base for the motor and alternator.
Hopefully I'll get that in the CNC today.I know....cheating.
Sparky93
10-13-2011, 12:24 PM
You should of said you did it all manually, it's only cheating if you get caught....
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