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I'm sure you've all seen an alcohol heater. There are tons of them on the internet. It's the one using a quart paint can with a roll of toilet paper inside. I liked the idea but there are some obvious drawbacks to using just a quart paint can. While burning alcohol only gives off carbon dioxide and water vapor, as long as it receives adequate ventilation, it is susceptible to pretty small breezes knocking out the flame. So I did a little experiment in an effort to find the method that would produce the most heat and provide the most flame protection.
The pic below shows a quart paint can heater on the left, a quart paint can inside a one gallon paint can in the center and a quart paint can inside a one gallon paint can modified by punching some holes in the side.
The amount of heat the center version put out was pretty incredible. The heat built up inside the one gallon can and began boiling the alcohol and feeding the flame. You can also see that the flame has a lot of yellow in it so I was getting quite a bit of incomplete combustion and soot, which means carbon monoxide as well as carbon dioxide. You can see the soot inside the rim of the gallon can.
I was hoping that I could cap the large can on the right and have a heater/stove combination but there just wasn't enough air flow to feed the flame. It would need more holes in it.
I put a #10 eye bolt in the top of one lid and bent a loop in a piece of clothes hanger so I could sit it down on top the quart can inside the gallon can and smother the flame.
The winner for heat was the center version. I got really hot really quick. The version on the right put out about as much heat as just the quart can on the left but it had the added protection from wind.
All in all it's a pretty good impromptu heater just using the quart can. I don't think I'd use any of them inside without pretty good ventilation but a quart of alcohol and a roll of toilet paper can make a quick heater if you're in dire shape. Tap the lid down on the quart can and you can store it indefinitely I'd think as long as the lid is snug the alcohol shouldn't evaporate. Like all open flames you don't want to leave it unattended inside.
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/alcoholheater.jpg
hunter63
09-09-2011, 02:27 PM
Now that is cool....But I have to tell ya that seeing it burning on the work bench brings back bad memories....LOL
flatlander88
09-09-2011, 02:55 PM
Great experiment Rick. Thanks.
Could you possibly put some small hole on the lid of the can on the right? Maybe create some sort of upward air flow?! Perhaps one hole in the center with your cooking pot suspended from the lid!?
crashdive123
09-09-2011, 03:09 PM
Now that is cool....But I have to tell ya that seeing it burning on the work bench brings back bad memories....LOL
Did you have two propane canisters and some gun cleaning solvent close by as well?
Thanks for the demonstration.
hunter63
09-09-2011, 05:20 PM
Yeah.....and plenty of cans of spray what evers.........LOL.
Note: Do Not Add Fuel when it burns down!
At least you can see the yellow/orange flame.
Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!! Holes in the lid, which of course is the answer to, "why won't this thing stay lit?".
I went down and punched 4 holes in the lid and it works beautifully. That also allows me to use my clothes hanger thingy as a "thermostat", which is what I was originally trying for.
If you look closely you can see flames coming out the side holes. At one point each of the top holes on the side and two of the lid holes had flames shooting out of them. Now I have a heater/stove combo. (Gotta clean up the holes. This is the government prototype #1...Heater, Stove, Combination, followed by some number that makes no sense).
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/alcoholheater2.jpg
Here's a close up of my thermostat.
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/alcoholheater1.jpg
Medium heat...
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/alcoholheater3.jpg
Simmer...
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/alcoholheater4.jpg
And shut off. You can control it from the outside.
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/alcoholheater5.jpg
Thanks, Flatlander. That was the answer.
hunter63
09-09-2011, 07:59 PM
By Jove, I think he got it.........Like that even better.
Are you going to do a burn time test?
I would imagine that the alcohol would stay with out evaporating in the sealed up inner can for transport and storage?
crashdive123
09-09-2011, 08:34 PM
Well done. Any field experiments that involve fire and leave out the fire department are successes in my book.
Yeah, a burn time test would be good. I'll see if I can do that.
crashdive123
09-10-2011, 07:23 AM
Running low on TP yet?
BENESSE
09-10-2011, 09:48 AM
This is super neat!
Now, re.TP. Do you fit the entire roll in the quart can and soak it in alcohol top to bottom or do you pour a bit at a time? Would a regular rubbing 70% (90%?) alcohol do, or is it some other kind?
First, remove the cardboard liner from the roll. Fold the roll flat, then fold it one more time. Then shove it in the can. Pour the alcohol in until the can is full and the roll can't absorb any more. Here's a good Youtube on how to do it. I happen to be using Kroger alcohol which is the same stuff in the video. It takes a whole bottle to fill the can. The basic heater is simple and straight forward. Takes about 10 minutes to make.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPABQW9gN2Q
crashdive123
09-10-2011, 10:24 AM
I know you know this, but for those thinking of trying it --- the bottom of the can will get very hot. In the vid, the author suggests something under the can for a stable base. Maybe it is because he is recommending using it intermittently and figures it won't heat up too much, but it will get hot if allowed to do so. Also in the vid, and I know he was just demonstrating, DO NOT light the can and leave your butane lighter taped to the side of it!
randyt
09-10-2011, 10:37 AM
That's really neat. I would like to get my combustion analyzer in the flame to see what the ppm count is on the CO.
flatlander88
09-10-2011, 02:08 PM
Glad I could help:)
Hunter asked for a burn time, which is a perfectly reasonable piece of information. So I cranked the heater up this morning and let it run while I worked on the solar panels. It turned out 1.5 hours on 32 ounces of alcohol. That's not a very good burn time to fuel ratio in my book and the blasted stuff stinks pretty bad. It does work and gives you another option that could be used if you had to.
I also tried to see how long it would take to boil water and it was abysmal as a stove. The water never got above 90°F. Certainly not my first choice as a heater but I'd definitely use it if that's all I had.
BENESSE
09-12-2011, 03:59 PM
There's also a matter of TP supply.
If you're in an adverse situation where you couldn't build a fire, what are the chances of having plenty of TP to spare? Is there anything else that could be used instead?
Old GI
09-12-2011, 03:59 PM
Stinks??? Don't use used TP!!!!!
crashdive123
09-12-2011, 04:11 PM
Stinks??? Don't use used TP!!!!!
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Forum%20Fun/smiley2.gif
Stinks??? Don't use used TP!!!!!
Why I oughta..........
hunter63
09-12-2011, 05:59 PM
Thanks for the test....still an option if you need heat and have the 'fixins' to build one.
I was wondering about the burn time, as it looks real similar to a stove that was made/used back in boys scouts.
I have no idea where the idea came from, but we did build one with out the outer can, just used a tripod made/cut from a can over the flame part.
Story was that it was used to survive a big storm somewhere when all heat and power went out...But I'm pushing the old noggin thing to remember the whole thing.
Other options at the time were of course the hobo stove (cans) and a camping unit (cans again) using a one pound coffee can, filled with rolled up cardboard filled with melted paraffin.
I did the cardboard with paraffin thing a while back. I used a shoe polish so it wasn't quite as big. Did a nice job and with paraffin you don't have the smell like the alcohol of some petroleum based fuel.
finallyME
09-15-2011, 11:29 AM
I don't drink, so maybe I am missing something. But I always thought people like their alcohol cold. Why would you want to heat it up?
finallyME
09-15-2011, 11:51 AM
Bennesse, to answer your two questions.
You want to use the highest percent alcohol that you can. At the pharmacy, you can buy 70% and 90%. 90% is better. I have found 99% at the local farm store. It is for horses. I am sure it burns much better. Another option is denatured alcohol and a product called HEET found in the auto parts section. There are two types of HEET, one is better than the other, but both will work in this application.
TP is cheap, but you can also use fiberglass insulation. Fiberglass won't burn, so you won't run out of it when the alcohol is used up.
natertot
09-15-2011, 03:32 PM
Someone mentioned storage. Would the TP break down after awhile effecting the use of this setup? I know TP is designed to deteriate rapidly.
RobinD69
10-24-2012, 05:09 PM
Have you considered using sand mixed with alcohol instead of TP?
kyratshooter
10-24-2012, 06:16 PM
I don't drink, so maybe I am missing something. But I always thought people like their alcohol cold. Why would you want to heat it up?
Many of the old recipes called for heated booze. They even had irons they heated in the fire and dunked in the glass to warm up their spirits.
A jigger of whisky in the bottom of a water glass, two spoons full of honey, squeeze of lemon, then fill the glass with hot water. Known in the south as a toddy.
Put a quart pf rum in a tin kettle, pour in a pint of molases, add two sticks of butter, heat to simmer. The rondy drink we called "hot buttered rum".
Or just pour a good spalsh of Baileys Irish Cream in your coffee.
Most hard liquer is served at room temp, as is red wine.
Cold booze has only been expected since refregeration was invented. Beer was room temp (the Brits still do) or cooled by evaporation using wet cloths covering the barrels.
edr730
10-24-2012, 10:45 PM
Good experimenting. I've puzzled myself often enough on how to improve my alcohol burner. I think I will look closer at your experiments. I've often used a small jar with a wick put into a coffee can. As it gets hot it burns faster and faster. Holes in the can keeps it cooler. Sometimes I've used the old oil burners they used on the road. I think that 6 oz would last me about 3 hours. I use denatured alcohol. I don't use it to heat a room, but just to keep me warm in the woods. It won't do anything without a blanket around your legs. You can put the blanket around your shoulders if you want, but if the blanket doesn't touch the ground around your body then you won't get nearly the same amount of heat. But, sometimes I have used a five gallon bucket or two enclosed milk crates on top of each other to house the burner. On some occasions just under my shirt with the burner at the bottom of a flexible tube. You can put your shirt over where the heat comes out of the milk crates or tube and there is no temperature at which you would not be warm. I've dumped the alcohol over and burned a few pair of pants from time to time. But the alcohol burns slow and is a pretty safe fuel.
RobinD69
10-25-2012, 03:06 PM
A buddy at my work told me he used a metal water bucket with sand mixed with alcohol to heat his truck and boat. I haven't tred it yet but I just might this weekend.
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