New, Please assist my quest for knowledge!

[narcolepticpug]

heres a rundown on me... im 22, iv been hiking, climbing, and camping for over 10 years. i love to be outdoors. I am looking to expand my knowledge and to make my backpacking trips more genuine.
I plan on making a long backpacking trek along the San Gabriel Mountains covering 14 peaks, over 40 miles and over 20,000 elevation gain this summer. for this reason i would like to learn more to keep me safe on my trek, and other long treks in my future.

the reason im here on this site wasting your time is. I would like to learn as much as i can about hunting, gathering, and general wilderness survival. i dont know were to start so it poses a problem for me without the assistants of you guys. i dont have money for books at the moment but names of books would help for latter on. but could you guys maybe direct me to sites discussing edible plants in the San Gabriel mountain range. and anything else i would need to know.

i know how to get water were ever i am(pent of experience on long trails running out of water, or not being able to Carey as much as i would need)
i know the "theory" of snaring though i have not tried to put it to use, i have never found trails of small game when it would be convenient for me to snare dress and eat whatever i might catch. that is the extent of my survival knowledge.

anyways. Enough of me rambling on. if you guys could point me in the right direction. let me know how you started out. and how easy it is to put into practice what you read... thank you.

[Sourdough]

1) Will you be alone? or how many people on the hike?

2) What is the longest time you've ever spent on one outing?

3) Will you be on a trail or bushwacking?

4) 40 miles how long do you think that will take?

5) What is your single biggest concern?

[narcolepticpug]

1) Will you be alone? or how many people on the hike?

2) What is the longest time you've ever spent on one outing?

3) Will you be on a trail or bushwacking?

4) 40 miles how long do you think that will take?

5) What is your single biggest concern?


to answer your questions.
1) i will most likely be alone(but i have 2 sets of tops 1 for me and one for my mother so if i disapear she can show SAR my intended route)

2) the longest iv been out was for 8 days (i only hiked about 2 miles and camped)

3) the last half is on frequently used trails, the first half is just following ridges and unmaintained trails.

4) 4 days easy. but i will plan for 6.

5) none. im very comfortable in the area that i will be hiking. there is 4 exit trails from the area that i will be hiking so if i needed to at any point aside from the first 18.5 miles. i could be at a road in a matter of hours.... of course a unforeseen injury does concern me a bit. loss of gear/food would suck to. wind could shorten my hike sense some of the ridges have some serious exposure. no serious concern, just cautious thought.

the reason for this post is so that i can learn as much as i can if something does happen, and im in a survival situation. I will be calm, confident, and know what to do.

after this hike i will be doing, im sure i will end up planing more, and they will end up progressively getting longer and harder knowing me. so i just want to be on the safe side. plus unused knowledge never hurt anyone.


(PS. Becoming independent and not needing to rely on 10lbs of food would be a art i would love to learn. i would like to one day only need to bring minimal food for extended backpacking trips and just gather as i go. i know thats probly out of reach but its a nice thought.

[dilligaf2u2]

I plan on making a long backpacking trek along the San Gabriel Mountains covering 14 peaks, over 40 miles and over 20,000 elevation gain this summer. (4 days easy. but i will plan for 6)

I advise starting with a shorter run. That 40 miles will take you 17 to 20 days. If you start on shorter runs and build up to it, that run can be 6 or 7 days of hard pushing.

That elevation takes some getting used too. My advice is not to grab the bull by the horns till you have seen if you can push a calf around! 40 miles seems like a small run. Now figure all that is either up or down. We have 90 miles real fast, and half of it will be up hill. Now take the fact you are breathing 3 or 4 times harder to feed your body!

If you want to do this? Work up to it. (the longest iv been out was for 8 days (i only hiked about 2 miles and camped) That 2 mile day hike you once did will be nothing compared to what you want to do and I fear you will not survive without doing harm to yourself. Try putting your house(gear) on your back and walking down the road from sun up to sun down, breaking only 15 minutes for lunch. Then do this with 1/3rd the oxygen.

Work up to the longer hikes and get accustomed to the altitude. Altitude sickness can kill. And a novice alone! That is trouble waiting to happen. Look for a guide or partner to go with you that has experience.

Don

[Rick]

First, I like your name. That's pretty zzzzzzzzzzzz. Huh? Oh, yea. Here is a link for some books:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55&highlight=books+food

Go to Borders or one of the other heavy players and just look through their outdoor section. I'll bet you have some books for local plants and even some for higher elevation plants. Looking is cheap.

I take it you are a gear head (he said in a nice way) so consider the type of stove you carry. 20K elevation gain doesn't tell me height since you may be out of a deep canyon. In any case, as you probably already know, some stoves won't work at higher elevations or require them to be carried next to your body to keep warm.

There are tons of survival links on the forum so do a search (four letter words or larger) for your subject and read through the posts. We are notoriously off post a lot but there are some really talented people on here a tons of good information.

It might help to know some of the gear you carry.

Knowing you need some additional information and asking for it is always the best and safest route. Bravo! and welcome to the forum.

[Riverrat]

You have made the right move by asking your question on here. I am new to this site as well, but from what I have seen in some of the more serious post is that there is a great deal of knowldge on here. If the longest trip you have made is 2 miles, then you should do as the others suggest, don't bite off more then you can chew. A 40 mile hike in the woods is at least double in acutal distance by the time you go around downfalls, up hills, down hills, you get the drift. I do some hiking in my local area, one of my favaroite places to go is, by map, only 3.5 miles away, to hike it is app. 7 miles ( I think with quick converson). As far as books on plants, check at your local libary. If they do not have them then you can request them. Good place to start.

[narcolepticpug]

You have made the right move by asking your question on here. I am new to this site as well, but from what I have seen in some of the more serious post is that there is a great deal of knowldge on here. If the longest trip you have made is 2 miles, then you should do as the others suggest, don't bite off more then you can chew. A 40 mile hike in the woods is at least double in acutal distance by the time you go around downfalls, up hills, down hills, you get the drift. I do some hiking in my local area, one of my favaroite places to go is, by map, only 3.5 miles away, to hike it is app. 7 miles ( I think with quick converson). As far as books on plants, check at your local libary. If they do not have them then you can request them. Good place to start.


haha ok im sorry you guess didnt read his question, it was the longest TIME iv been out... the longest iv done was 22 miles, in 15 hours..... i regularly run 5-10 miles 3 times a week at 7,000 foot elevation gain and make a efort to hike once a week for a mimum of 7 hours.... i can very easly cover 10 miles a day...

lol. sorry foir the confusion, im not some idiot who just wants to go out and kill myself....... i KNOW i could do that trail in 3 days, but i want to enjoy it so im going to take 4-5 days


(PS. altitude as no effect on me, i spent most of my time in the mountains... i live at the foot of the mountains with some elivation gain, my ears dont even need to equalize when i go up.)

[Rick]

Captain, we've found that messenger you were looking for.....Oh, yea. He can run.

[narcolepticpug]

the highest point i will be at will be 10,064 ft. so pretty much any stove will work sense the altitude is lower. yea i have plent of gear.
all im bringing is my MRS pocket rocket stove, extra fuel, 5lb of rice, instant oatmeal, 6 cans of chicken, basic survival and first aid kits, knife, cold and warm wether cloths, 2galons of water, 0degree sleeping bag, 4 season BIVY sack, and treking poles. knowing me though, if i still have room in my bag, i will fill it with a bunch of usless stuff.
PS. thank you rick for not jumping to conclusions thinking i didnt know what im geting myself into and helping me with my questions


and i have 1 of the books on that list already, army survival handbook,. but they really didnt teach me anything i didnt already know from boyscouts. what is a good book in depth book on trapping and snaring aswell



First, I like your name. That's pretty zzzzzzzzzzzz. Huh? Oh, yea. Here is a link for some books:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55&highlight=books+food

Go to Borders or one of the other heavy players and just look through their outdoor section. I'll bet you have some books for local plants and even some for higher elevation plants. Looking is cheap.

I take it you are a gear head (he said in a nice way) so consider the type of stove you carry. 20K elevation gain doesn't tell me height since you may be out of a deep canyon. In any case, as you probably already know, some stoves won't work at higher elevations or require them to be carried next to your body to keep warm.

There are tons of survival links on the forum so do a search (four letter words or larger) for your subject and read through the posts. We are notoriously off post a lot but there are some really talented people on here a tons of good information.

It might help to know some of the gear you carry.

Knowing you need some additional information and asking for it is always the best and safest route. Bravo! and welcome to the forum.

[Rick]

On rare occasions I can be helpful. :D

The pocket rocket is a good stove. My son and I both have one. I do understand the useless stuff all too well.

Do a search on here about paracord and duct tape for ways you can carry them. Both are pretty useful in the pack and there are some innovative ideas on ways to carry. You don't mention it but backups on fire making and a survival blanket. 10K can get you some nasty weather and you can wrap up in the survival blanket inside your bag if you have to.

Ramen noodles are nice and light as are bullion cubes. Nice quick, warm lunch with either one.

[Rick]

You might try Google Earth just for an aerial view of your route. If you don't have it at home ask some of your friends. I'm sure someone has it. It will give you a decent idea of what the lay of the land looks like beyond your topos.

Riverrat - Good suggestion on the library!

[narcolepticpug]

On rare occasions I can be helpful. :D

The pocket rocket is a good stove. My son and I both have one. I do understand the useless stuff all too well.

Do a search on here about paracord and duct tape for ways you can carry them. Both are pretty useful in the pack and there are some innovative ideas on ways to carry. You don't mention it but backups on fire making and a survival blanket. 10K can get you some nasty weather and you can wrap up in the survival blanket inside your bag if you have to.


Ramen noodles are nice and light as are bullion cubes. Nice quick, warm lunch with either one.

o yea sorry, my survival kit consist of 2 bic lighter, wook matches, and a flint all in separate sealed bags, a survival blanket, prusik cord, rain ponch, compass extra maps, extra knife, and instant light charcoal(this is so amazing if your tring to start a fire when everything is still kind of moist.) all in a large coffee can that can be used as a cup or bowl


and i take that with me on EVERY hike i do, even short 6 mile hikes


PS. most of the routes i take i find from google earth... i love the thing





also for my gear, i take a maglight, and a headlamp both with extra batterys

[Beo]

For the books try the public library and then copy the plant in that area making quick reference cards by shrinking them down. Tom brown Jr. has some really good books on plants. I'd start training by throwing on all my gear and doing hikes over and over in my spare time, it never hurts. Still your training sounds really good. I'd let the local rangers or Law Enforcement know your going and the route in case of an emergency, never know when your gonna sprain an ankle or break a bone although I hope it doesn't ever happen to you. And you are not wasting our time by asking questions, its a good man who asks and we can provide more resources. Good luck bro.

[Rick]

Something like Kingsford charcoal? I had never thought of that. Do you carry the square bricks (how many) and do you use a whole one or break it up to start a fire?

[narcolepticpug]

Something like Kingsford charcoal? I had never thought of that. Do you carry the square bricks (how many) and do you use a whole one of break it up to start a fire?

i dont know what they are called they are round charcoal, they come in a pack of 6 rolled in foil... you can go to a hookah shop and ask for instant light charcoal. i use a whole one but you could use a half they are only a half inch thick and 1 inch wide.
http://www.allstarcigars.com/Charcoal-Three_King_Charcoal_33MM_Instant_Light_Hookah.html
(i dont know if this is the exact same one i have, but it sure looks like it)

all you have to do is hold a flame under it for a few seconds and then it starts to light up on its own, it takes 2 minutes tell its red hot then just toss it in a small nest of brush you have made and BAM fire.


i got them from my friend.... we went out to this hill we allways hang out at one night, we were going to smoke hookah and when he realized he forgot his torch to light the regular coal i got bummed, then he pulled those out and lit them up so easaly, my eyes got all wide and i asked him if i could have a few of them for my survival kit...... i think im the first to incorperate these in a survival kit. lol




and yes Beowulf65, i have to get permits for what im going to do, but its easy to get and free.

[narcolepticpug]

Ps. i like this forum very much already, everyone is very friendly and i like how they look out others well being with genuine concern. a characteristic of a true woodsmen... well im off to work.. i hope to get some more feedback, and maybe you guys could tell me some exciting experiences you have had

[Beo]

Info I found on the mountains even covers the San Gabriel Mnts.
Plants
Vegetation types within the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy zone range from moist coastal canyon bottoms in the Santa Monica Mountains, to desert transitional areas at the headwaters of the Santa Clara River. With the exception of the areas that border the Mojave Desert, all of the vegetation within the zone is influenced by the effects of the Pacific Ocean. The resulting cool, wet winters and hot, dry summers create a Mediterranean-type ecosystem. By far, the dominant vegetation sub-type in the zone is chaparral. Chaparral is composed of drought and fire tolerant evergreen shrubs that range in height from four to ten feet. Unless recently subjected to fire, or some other type of disturbance, this plant community is generally too dense to penetrate. Another unique shrub community to Southern California is sage scrub, which varies between coastal and inland types. Sage scrub vegetation contains fewer stout, woody shrubs, and more openings with fine, delicate plants.
The expansive valley floors between the mountain ranges in the Conservancy zone were plowed and farmed long ago. They are now entirely developed. The precise former native plant cover of the San Fernando, Simi and Santa Clarita Valleys was never adequately recorded. It is suspected that native perennial bunch grasses were dominant elements. Throughout the zone, over ninety-five percent of the native grasslands have been displaced by foreign invasive plants.
The most common riparian (stream-related) woodland species in the Conservancy zone are various willows, coast live oak, California sycamore, and Fremont's cottonwood. Less common species that are relics of the last Ice Age include white alder, bigleaf maple, and black cottonwood.
On slopes, and in valleys where rainfall concentrates, groves of evergreen coast live oaks are common throughout the Conservancy zone. These evergreen oaks provide food and shelter for numerous species of wildlife. Deeper soiled areas in the Santa Susana Mountains, the Simi Hills and the Santa Monica Mountains support the deciduous valley oak. A widely dispersed tree in the Santa Monica Mountains, and to a lesser extent in other ranges, is the California black walnut. Other interesting trees found in the Santa Susana and San Gabriel Mountains are the bigconed Douglas-fir and California bay laurel.
Wildlife
All parts of the Conservancy zone are rich in wildlife. This richness is supported by a tenuous network of cross-freeway habitat linkages and wildlife corridors that keep the various ranges biologically inter-connected. Population analyses show that without these movement corridors, all of the mountain ranges, except the San Gabriel Mountains, contain insufficient habitat area to support larger mammals. The most common medium and large-sized mammals in the Conservancy zone are coyotes, mule deer, bobcats, raccoons, and skunks. Just away from the urban edge, other predators, such as grey fox, mountain lion, American badger, long-tailed weasel, and ringtailed cat, occupy various niches. The ecosystem's top predator, the mountain lion, is present everywhere except the fragmented eastern end of the Santa Monica Mountains that bisects the Los Angeles metropolitan area. Because they fear humans, however, they are rarely seen. The Santa Susana and San Gabriel Mountains support populations of black bears. The abundance of seed produced by the Mediterranean plant communities supports numerous prey species—such as rabbits, squirrels, rats, mice, and other rodent species. Seven species of hawks, eight species of owls, peregrine falcons, golden eagles, northern harriers, American kestrels, and white-tailed kite share in this bounty of prey. The Conservancy zone is also part of the Pacific Flyway. As a result, the resident Southern California bird species often share company with neo-tropical migrants and other unique species, such as Canadian geese.
There are over eighteen species of snakes and eight species of lizards in the zone. The most common snakes are pacific rattlesnake, gopher snake, California king snake, and California striped racer. The rattlesnake is the only venomous snake in California. They seek shade during the hottest summer afternoons and hibernate during the winter. The zone supports five species of frogs, three species of toads, and five species of newts and salamanders. As in most parts of the world, frog populations have declined, probably due to climate change and pollution.
The widely scattered perennial streams in the zone still support unique populations of native fish. Topanga and Malibu Creeks contain tidewater gobies, arroyo chub, and the federally-listed endangered, southern steelhead trout. The Santa Clara River supports these species as well as the federally-listed endangered, unarmored three spine stickleback. Some of the upper reaches of the Los Angeles River at the foot of the San Gabriel Mountains harbor populations of the Santa Ana sucker and speckled dace.

Geography and Geology
The Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy zone covers an area from the edge of the Mojave Desert to the Pacific Ocean. The zone encompasses the whole of the Santa Monica Mountains, the Simi Hills, the Verdugo Mountains, and significant portions of the Santa Susana and San Gabriel Mountains. In addition, the Mountains Recreation and Conservation Authority (MRCA) also owns or manages thousands of acres in the Sierra Pelona Mountains and in the Whittier/Puente Hills. From north to south, these areas drain into the Santa Clara River, Calleguas Creek, numerous smaller coastal watersheds in the Santa Monica Mountains, and the Los Angeles River and the Rio Hondo.
The Santa Monica and Santa Susana Mountains each contain at least one 3,000-foot high peak. The portion of the San Gabriel Mountains in the zone contains several 5,000-foot peaks. Average annual rainfall totals can be as low as ten inches in the desert. Adjacent areas can receive over twenty five inches on the northern sides of the Santa Susana and San Gabriel Mountains and coastal canyons of the Santa Monica Mountains.
The area's geologic diversity rivals any region in the world. Sedimentary, volcanic (igneous), and metamorphic substrates are well distributed in the zone. The rocks range in age from two billion years to one hundred thousand years old. The geologic and topographic diversity of the area is attributable to plate tectonics, past glacial climates, and numerous faults.
Also this link is good. http://tchester.org/sgm/plants/index.html

[Beo]

Oh yeah, I love how you use Trek and not hike that is great. Screen name is a good one too. And introduce yourself in the Introductions section or Sarge will yell at ya :D

[Rick]

Per your request, here are some links to edible foods in the San Gabriel Mtns. I can not vouch for many of these because I have not tried them. I'm from the Midwest.

http://aaaim.com/echo/v4n2/v4n2WildFoods.htm

http://www.cnps.org/cnps/publications/fremontia/Fremontia_Vol32-No4.pdf

A list of books on California Plants. You will probably find many of these at your library. You might also contact your local extension office and state forestry office and see if they have any brochures or publications or any listed below.

EDIBLE PLANTS

Alderman, D. C. 1974. Native edible fruits, nuts, vegetables, herbs, spices, and grasses of California. I. Fruit trees and nuts. Plant Science Leaflet 6002. Div. Agric. Serv. Univ. California. Berkeley, CA. 14 pp.

Alderman, D. C. 1974. Native edible fruits, nuts, vegetables, herbs, spices, and grasses of California. II. Small or bush fruits. Plant Science Leaflet 6008. Div. Agric. Serv. Univ. California. Berkeley, CA. 26 pp.

Alderman, D. C. 1981. Native edible fruits, nuts, vegetables, herbs, spices, and grasses of California. III. Vegetables. Leaflet 2705. Div. Agric. Serv. Univ. California. Berkeley. 19 pp.

Angell, M. 1982. A field guide to berries and berrylike fruits. Bobbs_Merrill Co. Indianapolis, IN. 250 pp.

Angier, B. 1974. Field guide to edible wild plants. Stackpole Books. Harrisburg, PA. 256 pp.

Benoliel, D. 1974. Northwest foraging. A guide to edible plants of the Pacific Northwest. Signpost Publications. 171 pp.

Berglund, B. & C. E. Bolsby. 1977. The complete outdoorsman's guide to edible wild plants: a comprehensive cookbook and identification guide for North America. Charles Scribner's Sons. New York, NY. 189 pp.

Brown, T., Jr. 1985. Tom Brown's guide to wild edible and medicinal plants. Berkeley Books. New York, NY. 241 pp.

Callegari, J. & K. Durand. 1977. Wild edible and medicinal plants of California. Publ. by authors. El Cerrito, CA. 96 pp.

Clarke, C. B. 1977. Edible and useful plants of California. California Nat. Hist. Guides: 41. Univ. California Press. Berkeley. 280 pp.

Couplan, F. 1998. The encyclopedia of edible plants of North America: nature's green feast. Keats Publ. New Canaan, CT. 583 pp.

Elias, T. S. & P. A. Dykeman. 1982. Field guide to North American edible wild plants. Van Nostrand Reinhold Co. New York, NY. 286 pp.

Gibbons, E. & G. Tucker. 1979. Euell Gibbons' handbook of edible wild plants. The Donning Co. Virginia Beach, VA. 319 pp.

Gibbons, E. 1973. Stalking the West's wild foods. Natl. Geogr. 144(2): 186_199.

Harrington, H. D. 1967. Western edible plants. Univ. New Mexico Press. Albuquerque, NM. 156 pp.

Hedrick, U. P. 1919. Sturtevant's notes on edible plants. Twenty_seventh annual report. Dept. Agric. State of New York. Vol. 2, Pt. 2. 686 pp.

Hoover, R. L. 1972. Industrial plants of the California Indians. Pacific Discovery 25: 25_31.

Keator, G. 1978. Pacific coast berry finder. Nature Study Guild. Berkeley, CA. 59 pp.

Kirk, D. 1975. Wild edible plants of the western United States. Naturegraph Publishers. Healdsburg, CA. 307 pp.

Krochmal, A. & C. Krochmal. 1982. Uncultivated nuts of the United States. U. S. Dept. Agric. Information Bull. No. 450. 89 pp.

Kunkel, G. 1984. Plants for human consumption. An annotated checklist of the edible phanerogams and ferns. Koeltz Scientific Books. Koenigstein, West Germany. 393 pp.

Medsger, O. P. 1939. Edible wild plants. Macmillan Co. New York, NY. 323 pp.

Morton, J. F. 1963. Principal wild food plants of the United States. Econ. Bot. 17: 319_330.

Roos-Collins, M. 1990. The flavors of home. A guide to wild edible plants of the San Francisco Bay area. Heyday Books. Berkeley, CA. 224 pp.

Schuster, C. E. 1947. Edible nuts of the Pacific Northwest. Econ. Bot. 1: 389_393.

Thompson, S. & M. Thompson. 1972. Wild food plants of the Sierra. Dragtooth Press. Berkeley, CA. 186 pp.

Underhill, J. E. 1974. Wild berries of the Pacific Northwest. Superior Publ. Co. Seattle, WA. 128 pp.

POISONOUS PLANTS

Burrows, G. E. & R. J. Tyrl. 2001. Toxic plants of North America. Iowa State Univ. Press. Ames. 1342 pp.

Enari, L. 1975. Poisonous plants of southern California. Los Angeles County Dept. Arboreta and Bot. Gards. Arcadia, CA. 35pp.

Fowler, M., A. L. Craigmill, B. B. Norman, & P. Michelsen. 1982. Livestock_poisoning plants of California. Extension Leaflet No. 21268. Div. Agric. Serv. Univ. California, Berkeley. 23 pp.
Fuller, T. C. & E. McClintock. 1987. Poisonous plants of California. California Nat. Hist. Guides: 53. Univ. California Press. Berkeley. 433 pp.

Hardin, J. W. & J. M. Arena. 1974. Human poisoning from native and cultivated plants. Second edition. Duke Univ. Press. Durham, NC. 194 pp.

Kingsbury, J. M. 1964. Poisonous plants of the United States and Canada. Fourth edition. Prentice_Hall. Englewood Cliffs, NJ. 626 pp.

Lampe, K. F. & M. A. McCann. 1985. AMA handbook of poisonous and injurious plants. American Medical Assoc. Chicago, IL. 432 pp.

Lampe, K. F. & R. Fagerstrom. 1968. Plant toxicity and dermatitis: a manual for physicians. Williams & Wilkins. Baltimore, MD. 231 pp.

Levy, C. K. & R. B. Primack. 1984. A field guide to poisonous plants and mushrooms of North America. The Stephen Greene Press. Brattleboro, VT. 178 pp.

Mitchell, J. & A. Rook. 1979. Botanical dermatology. Plants and plant products injurious to the skin. Greengrass. Vancouver, British Columbia. 787 pp.

Muenscher, W. C. 1951. Poisonous plants of the United States. Revised edition. Macmillan & Co. New York, NY. 277 pp.

Sampson, A. W. & H. E. Malmsten. 1942. Stock_poisoning plants of California. California Agric. Exp. Sta. Bull. No. 593. 90 pp.

Schneider, A. 1912. The native and introduced medicinal and poisonous plants of California, with index to common names. Bulletin No. 2. State Board of Forestry, California.

Tucker, J. M. & M. H. Kimball. 1956. Poisonous plants in the garden. Univ. California Agric. Extension Serv. Berkeley. 12 pp.

United States Food & Drug Administration. 1994 . Poisonous plants database.
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~djw/plantox.html

MEDICINAL PLANTS

Angier, B. 1978. Field guide to medicinal wild plants. Stackpole Press. Harrisburg, PA. 320 pp.

Brill, S. 1994. Identifying and harvesting edible and medicinal plants in wild (and not so wild) places. Hearst Books. New York, NY. 317 pp.

Brown, T., Jr. 1985. Tom Brown's guide to wild edible and medicinal plants. Berkeley Books. New York, NY. 241 pp.

Callegari, J. & K. Durand. 1977. Wild edible and medicinal plants of California. Publ. by authors. El Cerrito, CA. 96 pp.

Duke, J. A. Dr. Duke’s phytochemical and ethno-botanical databases:
http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/

Duke, J. A. 2002. Handbook of medicinal herbs. Second edition. CRC Press. Boca Raton, FL. 870 pp.

Foster, S. & C. Hobbs. 2002. A field guide to western medicinal plants and herbs. Peterson field guides. Houghton Mifflin. Boston, MA. 442 pp.

Krochmal, A. & C. Krochmal. 1973. A field guide to medicinal plants. Times Books. New York, NY. 274 pp.

Moerman, D. E. 1977. American medical ethnobotany: a reference dictionary. Garland Publ. New York, NY. 527 pp.

Moore, M. 1979. Medicinal plants of the mountain West. Mus. New Mexico Press. Santa Fe. 200 pp.

Moore, M. 1989. Medicinal plants of the desert and canyon West. Mus. New Mexico Press. Santa Fe. 184 pp.

Morton, J. F. 1977. Major medicinal plants: botany, culture, and use. C. C. Thomas. Philadelphia, PA. 431 pp.

Schneider, A. 1906. The medicinal plants of the California Indians. Merck’s Report 15: 63-66; 95, 96; 127, 128.

Schneider, A. 1912. The native and introduced medicinal and poisonous plants of California, with index to common names. Bulletin No. 2. State Board of Forestry, California.

Stuhr, E. T. 1933. Manual of Pacific Coast drug plants. Science Press Printing Co. Lancaster, PA. 189 pp.

Stuhr, E. T. 1947. The distribution, abundance and uses of wild drug plants in Oregon and southern California. Econ. Bot. 1(1): 57-68.

Westrich, L. 1989. California herbal remedies. Gulf Publ. Co. Houston, TX. 192 pp.

[Sarge47]

Sorry I'm late responding, I fell asleep reading through that list of books Rick posted. If you can't afford a lot of books, the best one I always suggest is Cody Lundin's: "98.6 Degrees, The Art Of Keeping Your A*s Alive". It's doesn't cost all that much from Amazon. Rick has done a great bit on it, just search for the spot, or maybe Rick will find it and post the link. BTW, Welcome to the Wolf-Pack.:cool:

[Beo]

Raelly dude, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz could have named a few and then said go to the library (head hits the desk while typing) :D

[narcolepticpug]

wow cool.. thank you guys.. now if i have some extra money after bills im going to be buying some books.

[Rick]

You ask, we deliver. It's what we do. That and complain, poke fun at each other, get off post, chastise...

[Gray Wolf]

Greetings narcolepticpug,

On the safty/medical emg side, being by yourself you might want to get a pack of the CELOX: it's a granular hemostat powder intended for emergency use as an external temporary traumatic wound treatment. Pouring CELOX into the wound prevents blood loss and achieves hemolysis by coagulation. It reduces blood loss dramatically and significantly increases survivability involving catastrophic bleeding wounds. CELOX forms a gel-like mass over the clot. Best of all, CELOX can be used as an immediate response for all bleeding - even high pressure, high volume bleeding from major arteries - which saves time, eliminates decision-making and reduces blood loss.

And the Emergency Bandage Military Version (6"), the Emergency Bandage was designed with the most extreme conditions in mind and designed to treat every possible bleeding wound. The sterile, non-adherent bandage applies pressure to the site, is easily wrapped, secured, and acts as a tourniquet in cases of severe bleeding. The emergency bandage is so easy to use that even an injured person can apply the bandage with only one hand. These 2 items could save your life!

[narcolepticpug]

Greetings narcolepticpug,

On the safty/medical emg side, being by yourself you might want to get a pack of the CELOX: it's a granular hemostat powder intended for emergency use as an external temporary traumatic wound treatment. Pouring CELOX into the wound prevents blood loss and achieves hemolysis by coagulation. It reduces blood loss dramatically and significantly increases survivability involving catastrophic bleeding wounds. CELOX forms a gel-like mass over the clot. Best of all, CELOX can be used as an immediate response for all bleeding - even high pressure, high volume bleeding from major arteries - which saves time, eliminates decision-making and reduces blood loss.

And the Emergency Bandage Military Version (6"), the Emergency Bandage was designed with the most extreme conditions in mind and designed to treat every possible bleeding wound. The sterile, non-adherent bandage applies pressure to the site, is easily wrapped, secured, and acts as a tourniquet in cases of severe bleeding. The emergency bandage is so easy to use that even an injured person can apply the bandage with only one hand. These 2 items could save your life!



wow.. thank you. i would say %80 of my hikes and climbs are solo.. i could defenatly use that. most of the trails i do have class 3-4 scrambling and some 5.6-5.8 climbs... and i always think about how screwed i am if i fall and have my femur sticking out of my freakin leg...

what are some the the cheapest places you can buy that.... would REI or any other sporting good store carry it?

[Sarge47]

Don't worry about the introductions page this time; you gave us all the info we needed in your 1st post, along with your request for help, though I suspect that we'll be learning from you as well, that "charcoal" deal caught a lot of us by surprise. The fact that you've gained some experience as a Backpacker stands you in good stead; we've even done a couple of threads on the "10 Essentials kit" all Backpackers carry. In his book: "98.6...." Cody Lundin suggest using a sheet of aluminum foil to make an imprint of the sole of your hiking shoe, put your name on it, & leave it with your car or where-ever your jumping-off point is so that if you get lost the SAR guys will be able to tell which footprints are yours. You sound a bit like me as I too am limited in the money dept.. Just remember, libraries are great for a start, and of course I'm always suggesting older copies of the Boy Scout Handbooks & Fieldbooks, maybe you know somebody that has some old copies they're not using anymore. Anyway, the best survival type is 1st a very good outdoorsman, and I think you're well on your way.:cool:

[narcolepticpug]

Don't worry about the introductions page this time; you gave us all the info we needed in your 1st post, along with your request for help, though I suspect that we'll be learning from you as well, that "charcoal" deal caught a lot of us by surprise. The fact that you've gained some experience as a Backpacker stands you in good stead; we've even done a couple of threads on the "10 Essentials kit" all Backpackers carry. In his book: "98.6...." Cody Lundin suggest using a sheet of aluminum foil to make an imprint of the sole of your hiking shoe, put your name on it, & leave it with your car or where-ever your jumping-off point is so that if you get lost the SAR guys will be able to tell which footprints are yours. You sound a bit like me as I too am limited in the money dept.. Just remember, libraries are great for a start, and of course I'm always suggesting older copies of the Boy Scout Handbooks & Fieldbooks, maybe you know somebody that has some old copies they're not using anymore. Anyway, the best survival type is 1st a very good outdoorsman, and I think you're well on your way.:cool:


aww boyscouts... i have a old boyscout book, i still remember every knot they teach. my troop leader when i was in the scouts was a frogman (preciser to navy seals) and BOY did he have storys. that old man taut us alot about the outdoors...

i like that aluminum foil idea too.

[CTracker]

. . . a large coffee can that can be used as a cup or bowl

I assume you can you boil water in it.

I'm just curious. Do you carry a "Nalgene" bottle of some sort for any 'must stay dry' items? It would at least give you something to carry the water in before you a chance to boil it in yer coffee can. :)


Gray Wolf

Thanks for bring this item up. I bought some 'just in case' last year. Some people thought I was outa my mind. I'm reassured now, thank you. :)


Greetings narcolepticpug,

On the safty/medical emg side, being by yourself you might want to get a pack of the CELOX: it's a granular hemostat powder intended for emergency use as an external temporary traumatic wound treatment. Pouring CELOX into the wound prevents blood loss and achieves hemolysis by coagulation. It reduces blood loss dramatically and significantly increases survivability involving catastrophic bleeding wounds. CELOX forms a gel-like mass over the clot. Best of all, CELOX can be used as an immediate response for all bleeding - even high pressure, high volume bleeding from major arteries - which saves time, eliminates decision-making and reduces blood loss.

And the Emergency Bandage Military Version (6"), the Emergency Bandage was designed with the most extreme conditions in mind and designed to treat every possible bleeding wound. The sterile, non-adherent bandage applies pressure to the site, is easily wrapped, secured, and acts as a tourniquet in cases of severe bleeding. The emergency bandage is so easy to use that even an injured person can apply the bandage with only one hand. These 2 items could save your life!


My next question. where can "Emergency Bandage Military Version be found?"

[narcolepticpug]

I assume you can you boil water in it.

I'm just curious. Do you carry a "Nalgene" bottle of some sort for any 'must stay dry' items? It would at least give you something to carry the water in before you a chance to boil it in yer coffee can. :)


no i cant say i do.. i usually cary 2 (1)quart canteens and 1 (2)quart canteen so i guess if i had to i could designate one as for un treated water if i ever ran out of water purification tablets.

i can boil the water in the can.
i never thought about transporting the water. thats a good point... most of the time there is snow on the trails i take.. or at least some spring ice.

anything that must stay dry is in plastic bags.

[Sourdough]

Where is the San Gabriel Mountains.....?

[chopp29]

This is a good site for edible plants and other survival stuff. Hope it helps.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/plants-1.php

[nell67]

Hey,chopp, that is from OUR site :)

[Smok]

Christopher Nyerges has a out door school in those Mtn.s and has 4 or 5 books out on wild plants He also has a Mag. out www.wwmag.net/core.htm (http://www.wwmag.net/core.htm) You should get Rick to put up some sites on wild plants and not just books

[narcolepticpug]

Where is the San Gabriel Mountains.....?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Wpdms_shdrlfi020l_san_gabriel_mountains.jpg/256px-Wpdms_shdrlfi020l_san_gabriel_mountains.jpg

southern california


here are some pictures of the area mountains that are in my back yard



http://a923.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/l_30f8ce83b762f0b994ce7091f1b4f6fa.jpg
Cucamonga peak

http://a420.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_79d9abcb50e7636eb1dac67a0ac17c43.jpg
cucamonga peak behind me and to the left. i had only 4 more miles to go.

http://a910.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/85/l_c43caf9ea804bf7a9f599928f93bf76d.jpg
the three T's Peaks behind me

http://a74.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/56/l_09e77c2ce7f798f67ddaa0a08f2dd5b9.jpg
thunder and telegraph peak behind me

http://a520.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/37/l_34dcd091b72988711b07dc0864594def.jpg
View From the summit of mount san antonio

[nell67]

yes chopp,thats an awesome site,great information,the members are the best:D:rolleyes:

[narcolepticpug]

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/plants-1.php good site for plants and other survival info. Good luck!

cool cool... more sites are great....

[Gray Wolf]

wow.. thank you. i would say %80 of my hikes and climbs are solo.. i could defenatly use that. most of the trails i do have class 3-4 scrambling and some 5.6-5.8 climbs... and i always think about how screwed i am if i fall and have my femur sticking out of my freakin leg...

what are some the the cheapest places you can buy that.... would REI or any other sporting good store carry it?


Here is a site I deal with on certain items like these, they carry both these (I hate shipping fee here, another one there..).

http://www.bestglide.com/Medical_and_Protection.html

Great support and communication too. I know I feel much more comfortable having those items with me, 'cause ya just never know! Like you I trek by myself. Have a great time!!! :)

[chopp29]

Since everyone is sharing knowledge.....I have a question. If yall had to pick one brand and style of backpack, for about 2-3 days worth of carry what would it be?

[nell67]

Here's a link for ya
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1125&highlight=back+pack
and another
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=99&highlight=back+pack

there are several threads on here if you just use the search function on the site,hope this helps!

[chopp29]

Thanks nell

[Rick]

Narc - Those are outstanding pics. Thanks for posting them.

Smok - I gave him two links that covered every plant that has ever grown in California and some that are in your backyard. If you see someone digging plants back there it's just him.:D

[narcolepticpug]

Narc - Those are outstanding pics. Thanks for posting them.



thank you... yea i didnt think they were to bad for a camra phone

[Smok]

Sorry about that Rick I told the cops I did not know him and he was digging up the garlic !! You don't know how much I love garlic. I'll have to go get him out of jail now S$%#@ :mad::rolleyes::D

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