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SemperFi
08-31-2011, 10:03 AM
In other words this is a field that takes considerable knowledge , sadly our forefathers knew how to find and pick edibles , but the modern age has destroyed the very basic nature of this with grocery stores! Theres so much more available even in your own back yard . But we have become complacent , we dont hunt anymore for our food ,we dont forage , I really would love to know how to spot and find edible plants , but Im not that smart , I am afraid to just look at books and "Hope" I choose the right plant , I mean Ive seen mushrooms that look exactly the same , one is edible and one is poisenous ,I wouldnt eat those !

Im very grateful to those in here who know because even though I wont "test" my knowledge out its things like this that might spur memory in case something does happen someday!

I'd be curious if there Survivalist's who have seminars on this subject or even have "camping trips" which require you to only eat the available plants around you , I know when I was in survival school I ate everything that was available in the Phillipines ,that was many years ago , but I would love to learn again , I plan on reading everything in here regarding this subject and also would like to know if there are so-called "schools" for learning this?
crashdive123
08-31-2011, 11:11 AM
There are all sorts of classes and information available on wild edibles. My knowledge of them is pretty much at the beginner level. I've studied some and taken a class, but it really requires (IMO) a dedication to learning about them. Here is some information for your area.

http://www.okwildcrafting.com/
SemperFi
08-31-2011, 05:01 PM
Wow thanks thats a cool site!
Rick
08-31-2011, 05:41 PM
I don't consider myself anything more than a novice but I'm growing all the time. There are many plants that you can safely pick and won't confuse with others. And once you know them it's super easy to spot them. Purslane, dandelion and cattail are three that are easy to pick out, great to eat and you won't confuse them with anything else. Those three can get you started and they are probably in your yard except for cattail, which is no doubt close by.

The other thing to consider is WHERE you pick them. You certainly don't want to pick anything in a ditch outside the local chemical plant for example.
crashdive123
08-31-2011, 06:49 PM
The other thing to consider is WHERE you pick them. You certainly don't want to pick anything in a ditch outside the local chemical plant for example.

Uh oh. That explains some things.
SemperFi
09-01-2011, 09:26 AM
well I was wondering why those cattails were over 20 feet high, this explains it!
your_comforting_company
09-02-2011, 06:29 AM
SemperFi, I recommend meeting with your local Cooperative Extension agent and ask him which books he uses to identify "lawn pests". Many of our "wild edibles" are considered by the masses to be "weeds". There are many things that grow right in my yard that are completely safe to eat, as Rick mentioned, like purslane (portulaca oleracea) which is one of my favorites.
Another good suggestion is the playing cards from SafezoneLLC.com. Great pictures and decent descriptions on the cards, which also list the top poisonous plants. IMO the poisonous plants are MORE IMPORTANT to learn than the edibles.

I have been invited to teach some simple and common wild "usable" plants to youngsters this fall. Rather than teach them things to eat, I will mostly focus on what NOT to eat, and plants that can be useful in other ways, like cordage, or soap, or fire. It's something I've been studying for a little while now, and have a good bit of confidence in my knowledge of poisonous common plants in my area. I'm sure I'll demonstrate some plants that can be used to make fire in one way or another, whether it's friction fire, or just sparking in tinder. Plants are good for much more than just food. Even if you have no intention of eating them, many of them are still useful and should be added to your mental notebook of "Plants to know".

I'm glad to assist in any way I can, but I'll be up front in telling you I probably don't know many plants in your area.
Rick
09-02-2011, 06:34 AM
YCC - That's an excellent suggestion on the County Extension!!! Nice. I hadn't even considered that as a resource. "Weeds" are what we look for!
SemperFi
09-02-2011, 10:44 AM
Ive never even heard of that , I dont think the rednecks in this town even no what that is, but Ill try1 By the way , if I was hiking near Mayhaw road would you be able to tell me the edible plants?
your_comforting_company
09-03-2011, 07:15 AM
Yes I would! Mayhaw Road is just a few ticks down the road I live on. Mayhaws are one of the edibles, btw, with a little preparation. This area is famous for it's mayhaw jelly, and the next town north of here is the mayhaw capitol, with a festival coming soon as they are just about ready for harvest. I do a lot of hiking in the mayhaw WMA too.
Cousin-IT
10-25-2011, 02:07 AM
a good way to tell if a plants bad for you is to split it open and rub it on your wrist (the underside), if after 5 min it don't sting try it on your gums, if it doesn't sting after 10 minutes.... there is a better chance it won't kill ya :) ...saw it on one of those B-rate docos
your_comforting_company
10-25-2011, 06:20 AM
If you can't Identify it with confidence, do not put it in your mouth (including rubbing it on your gums). If you do that with water hemlock, you'll regret it.
SemperFi
10-25-2011, 09:53 AM
I used to think if the critters were eating it , then I can eat it too (Ok ,I know what your gonna say , if the dog eats **** are you gonna eat it) , what Im referring to is if they eat berries and certain grasses , however Ive seen deer eat poison ivy , birds eat berries that are too stout to eat , chances are though if a bear eats something you can damn well eat it too!
hunter63
10-25-2011, 02:14 PM
DW always has me save a piece of what ever i try........ To show the EMT what I poisoned myself with
Rick
10-25-2011, 05:45 PM
You obviously can't go by that. You can eat chocolate but it can kill your dog. Human physiology is much different that most wild animals.

Learn the plant. Don't take the chance. You either won't wake up or do the Tijuana Dance.

I just made that up. No, really, I did.
crashdive123
10-25-2011, 08:15 PM
a good way to tell if a plants bad for you is to split it open and rub it on your wrist (the underside), if after 5 min it don't sting try it on your gums, if it doesn't sting after 10 minutes.... there is a better chance it won't kill ya :) ...saw it on one of those B-rate docos

How many times have you done this with an unidentified plant?
Cousin-IT
10-25-2011, 09:56 PM
once....... my mates (they can be stupid) saw a tree full of tiny red berries, and obviously they dared eachother to eat one... i made them do the test i mentioned, it stung their wrists, they still ate them..... idiots didn't feel to good after that tho :P

-i'm not saying it's the be all and end all.... just a good trick to know :)
jake abraham
10-25-2011, 10:12 PM
this is a subject I know very little about,but Ihave been reading about it on this site also Ihave learned quite a bit so far @Iwant to thank you guys for sharing your knowledge
Winter
10-25-2011, 10:17 PM
a good way to tell if a plants bad for you is to split it open and rub it on your wrist (the underside), if after 5 min it don't sting try it on your gums, if it doesn't sting after 10 minutes.... there is a better chance it won't kill ya :) ...saw it on one of those B-rate docos

This is what we were taught in survival Phase of LRSLC. Test it on your lips before your gums. Then chew a piece and spit out the piece. Wait 3 hrs to see if your butt explodes or you start tripping balls.

Then eat a small piece and wait 6 hrs. Then eat it at will.

Problem is that if you add all that time up you are starving.
crashdive123
10-26-2011, 07:08 AM
I'm familiar with the universal edibility test. I was just curious how many times the poster had personally tried it since he was offering up a version of it for advice.
Rick
10-26-2011, 07:40 AM
The UET is fine if you are in a foreign country where you don't know the flora. There is no reason to use it in your homeland where it's easy enough to learn a hand full of edible plants and continue to expand your knowledge.
rwc1969
10-26-2011, 11:34 AM
The UET is basically an "I'm gonna die if I don't eat", so it can't hurt scenario. I saw a vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ElJ1oJEWM where they revamped this, and put it to the test. It failed in some areas and passed in others. The problem with this test, other than the obvious, is that most people who recommend it, don't recommend it properly, they leave out important parts of the test, get rushed, or skip steps. You have to follow it to a T, and even then it's not foolproof.

The best thing, as the person who presented that video suggested, is to learn to identify a few very common and abundant wild edibles that are not easily confused with anything else, and that grow in a good portion of the world. Cattails, oaks, willows, mustard family plants, grasses.

Aside from that a good class in Botany 101 at the local community college or even high school would be a great start and likely provide the proper foundation for future work. Knowing the difference between a dicot or monocot, opposite vs. alternate leaved, pinnate vs. simple, etc. etc. will go a long way.Most of this information is at the beginning of every ID book, but we tend to skip past it and just start looking at pictures and descriptions. This works, but it can be long and tedious process.

I can't remember if I posted this vid here or not, but it was 1sttimestar, a member here, that first mentioned this or something very similar, and it's been a big help both in plant and tree ID.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnRZog-vvno&list=PLAB9DFB2A4ED09C68

Once you get a basic understanding of plant structure ID becomes much, much easier. MUCH EASIER! so much easier, hehehe.

But, plant ID and, even more so, plant use is a tough subject. That's probably why you don't see many survival schools and such teaching it, there's just not enough time in the day. It's much easier to simply say that food is not required for short term survival or refer them to the UET.
Cousin-IT
10-28-2011, 01:19 AM
i'd like to point out that i may not have had all my facts straight, but the general idea was good and got the ball rolling. and i did mention it was a "B-grade doco" and that there is a difference between "advise" and mention something i heard of :)
your_comforting_company
10-29-2011, 07:05 AM
There is no excuse for poisoning yourself. If you can't identify a plant, assume it is poison. You can go for a really long time without food. There are so many plants out there that are completely safe to eat (like all plants in the brassicaceae family) and have no look-alikes, that I think anyone who knew a handfull of the plants would have no trouble.

The military has piles of soldiers at their disposal, so certainly they can afford to teach dangerous methods like the UET. As one "regular" guy with a stack of books about plants, I cannot suggest it to anyone, even if starving. It's just bad advice. There are plants in my area that would pass parts of the UET (like the berry color crap) that will most definately kill you before you can get to the hospital. I don't know how many different ways I can say "it's a bad idea"...
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