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JC!

08-30-2011, 09:55 AM

What is the best method (items used, how it works, where it takes place) for hiding small-large items no larger than a messenger bag in:
-Human populated areas (Town, City, Province, State)
-Farm areas
-National parks
-Forests

huskymill

08-30-2011, 10:06 AM

Well how much effort do you want to put into it? The more secure the hiding place chances are it will take awhile to get access to what you are hiding if you want easy access it will be less secure generally. Burying it works well as long as you have a way to keep moisture out and a good memory of where it was that you buried it. Air vents in buildings work well for smaller objects so I guess if you were in a city environment that might work. What are you planning on hiding anyway?

JC!

08-30-2011, 10:41 AM

My life is in my bags that I take on my upcoming, solo, multiple-month-long trip, so I will go the distance to place them in a secure place.

What do you use to protect your stuff when you bury it in the ground?

I should add that I am trying to exclude any area where there would be bugs running amok. Bugs could quite easily get through my bags' drawstring closures and creepy-crawl all over my stuff!

hunter63

08-30-2011, 11:09 AM

I would hope you are gonna use something a little more secure than a bag with drawstrings?
So are you just leaving them behind? Carry with you? Cache along the way?
How big? Is whatever water proof?

Not much information here, to go by.

If just leaving behind for a time, How about just a rented locker?
Or if you know where you are going, just mail yourself a package?

DOGMAN

08-30-2011, 11:59 AM

I drifted around the western USA for a bit of time in my early 20's. I walked, hiked and hitched all around MT,ID,WY,NM, UT, and NV carrying just what I could on my back (giant Jansport framepack)...I would routinely hide my bag outside of towns in the bushes so I wasn't burdened with it, or stand out in towns and cities. I always pinned a note on it that said,
"THIS PACK AND ITS CONTENTS ARE EVERYTHING I OWN IN THE WORLD, I USE EVERY ITEM FOR MY DAILY SURVIVAL- IF YOU NEED ANY THING IN HERE MORE THAN I DO- FEEL FREE TO HAVE IT, BUT, IF YOU THINK YOU CAN GET BY WITHOUT IT, PLEASE LEAVE IT HERE" THANKS.........I never had anything stolen. However this was in an era before METH heads roamed the rural US.

If your talking about storing stuff you wont be using. Get a storage unit for $30 a month or so

crashdive123

08-30-2011, 12:15 PM

Are you thinking of scouting out your months long journey ahead of time and stashing stuff along the way? Not likely a realistic scenario, but if you are serious......... If you know your route that well in advance, contact the Postmasters of towns along the way and make arrangements to mail yourself stuff or have others mail it to you at predetermined times.

finallyME

08-30-2011, 12:19 PM

Many long distance hikers will cache items ahead of time and retrieve them when on the trail. In the west, they generally bury a bucket, or canister, or some other container, close to the trail and a road. AT hikers will mail a package to a post office and have the office hold the package for them, until they get there. Here are some tips for burying stuff.

1. use a container that is moisture proof. This can be a 5 gallon bucket, a pvc tube, an ammo can, a sealed #10 can, a pelican case, or something else that seals out moisture. Something that can't be chewed through is also a good criteria for selecting a container.

2. Make sure you have a means of opening the container. This would be a wrench, or screwdriver, or can opener. What ever tool you need to open whatever container you pick. Make sure and leave the tool outside of the container. Maybe put it in a plastic bag with some oil if rust might be an issue.

3. If you bury it, then make sure you hide the shovel close buy to be able to unbury it.

4. It might be necessary to mask the scent. Animals, especially bears, love digging up something that doesn't smell right, just to see what it is.

5. Before leaving, get a gps coordinate of the location, and take a picture of the area from several angles. The more info you leave for yourself to find the place again, the better the chance of you finding it.

Old GI

08-30-2011, 01:38 PM

Hint: Don't tell anyone without a "need-to-know" and you trust.

Rick

08-30-2011, 03:23 PM

What is the best method for hiding stuff

What has always worked for me is to find a place no one will look.

gryffynklm

08-30-2011, 03:31 PM

What has always worked for me is to find a place no one will look.

YA, thats what I do.

Think GEO Cashing without telling others were you stashed. Put it in a weather proof container.

We need more info, what's the purpose of hiding and what do you want to hide. We will not help you hide bodies.

Rick

08-30-2011, 05:07 PM

Hang on, Karl. There's one or two we could help with.:innocent:

hunter63

08-30-2011, 06:13 PM

Lets see,...... 16 acres of rather out of the way land, a tractor with a bucket/shovel, a 12 ga...........Naw

Rick

08-30-2011, 06:55 PM

You should ask Coot. He seems to hide stuff so well not even he can find it.

huskymill

08-30-2011, 08:05 PM

YA, thats what I do.

Think GEO Cashing without telling others were you stashed. Put it in a weather proof container.

We need more info, what's the purpose of hiding and what do you want to hide. We will not help you hide bodies.

hiding bodies isnt a good idea anyway. they dont stay hidden long when they start to stink.

JC!

08-30-2011, 09:02 PM

It might be necessary to mask the scent. Animals, especially bears, love digging up something that doesn't smell right, just to see what it is.
What methods of masking scent besides urinating/taking a dump on my items? :)

We need more info, what's the purpose of hiding and what do you want to hide. We will not help you hide bodies.

To clarify, I will be traveling west by touring bycicle for multiple weeks/months with 4 bike panniers (bags). They are very bulky, and only one of the 4 bags comes with a handle/strap. The other 3 bags I will have to part with when I stop to explore a city, go hiking, do something in a national park. Unfortunately, buckles, and drawstring closures are the only things protecting my items from bugs, animals, and snooping people. The bags are not waterproof. I have 2 pannier-specific, waterproof covers that go over them like a shower caps. Unfortunately they are made so they only protect 270 degrees of the bag, leaving the backside exposed. On the back side of these pannier bags there are 3 hooks which may aid in hanging or attaching them to something.

With aid of others, I have the following methods of hiding items:

-Air vents on roofs
-Fasten to a tree
-Mail to post office and receive once I get there
-Geocash (for small items I plan on using a small smarties ice-cream container I found with electrical tape to waterproof the seal shut)

Things I may leave are:
-Bags
-Clothing Items
-Emergency money, or jewelry for safe-keeping
-Emergency food + freeze-dried food.
-Weapon/multi-tool
-Alcohol
-Materials for emergency shelter
-Maps

Here is a picture of what the panniers look like: http://www.axiomgear.com/img/prod/champlain-dlx-1.jpg

Rick

08-30-2011, 09:21 PM

What methods of masking scent besides urinating/taking a dump on my items?

There are a couple of methods I like. The first is to take a dump in a gallon zip lock then don't close it all the way. The seal gives you an adjustable scent control device. If you want more just open it a little wider. I also use a flashlight if I need to get into my bag at night. You don't need to ask but just assume that a flashlight is important especially if you need to have the adjustable scent control device opened all the way.

Another really good method is is a mixture of used cat litter and a pine scented air freshener. Basically, it smells like someone crapped a Christmas tree and no one hangs around too long when they get a whiff.

rebel

08-30-2011, 09:36 PM

hiding bodies isnt a good idea anyway. they dont stay hidden long when they start to stink.

Get a bigger backhoe.

randyt

08-30-2011, 09:48 PM

hiding bodies isnt a good idea anyway. they dont stay hidden long when they start to stink.

quick lime

gryffynklm

08-30-2011, 10:10 PM

Sounds like you are stashing perhaps on the way out and picking up on the way back??

The methods mentioned are good. Contractor bags can be cut down to fit better in your panniers will keep the contents dry even if you drop them in a river. Twist the end and tie it shut with some cord.

Don't forget to take along a good map and legend your stashes if you can. Supplement that with a GPS if you can afford it. GPS is great al long as you don't loose it, accidently wipe its memory, destroy it or bury it with your stash. One backs up the other. It would also be good to leave a marker in the vicinity stacked rocks or what ever. An unusual tree rock or other natural land mark indicated on your map or stored in location notes on your GPS are a good idea. The more stash locations you have the more you have to keep track of. Take good notes.

When you find your hide, approach it by an indirect approach if you go straight in you might be leaving a trail depending on how much you disturb any leaf debris. When you leave you're hide look back and fix any obvious path.

Good luck

gryffynklm

08-30-2011, 10:11 PM

Quick Lime works......

I mean I hear that it works good.

SARKY

08-30-2011, 11:14 PM

Get a dry bag large enough to put your panniers in. That will keep everything clean, dry and bug free. You could always hide it high up in a tree.

BENESSE

08-31-2011, 07:17 AM

Get a dry bag large enough to put your panniers in. That will keep everything clean, dry and bug free. You could always hide it high up in a tree.

As long as there are no bird watchers walking around with binoculars.

crashdive123

08-31-2011, 07:25 AM

If the town you are staying in has a bus or train station get a locker for 25 cents.

SemperFi

08-31-2011, 10:09 AM

A great way to hide a cache in the field is simple, "peel" the top layer of earth back , in otherwords, make sure the top layer is intact , say a four foot wide section , then dig down , when done burying your supplies, roll the layer back over the dug out area , now it looks as if the earth there has never been moved (when you dig straight into the ground it leaves a trace that something has disturbed the area, if you layered the top earth before digging that disturbance isnt visible) , of course finding this is easy , if you plot the coordinates or try to use familiar objects (permanent objects) for retrieval

sushidog

08-31-2011, 05:05 PM

I always pinned a note on it that said,
"THIS PACK AND ITS CONTENTS ARE EVERYTHING I OWN IN THE WORLD, I USE EVERY ITEM FOR MY DAILY SURVIVAL- IF YOU NEED ANY THING IN HERE MORE THAN I DO- FEEL FREE TO HAVE IT, BUT, IF YOU THINK YOU CAN GET BY WITHOUT IT, PLEASE LEAVE IT HERE" THANKS.........I never had anything stolen.

Good concept but rather verbose. Try this instead. Just leave an empty box of 44 mag ammo with a note pinned on top which simply reads, "Do you feel lucky, punk?" I think they'll get the point.

If the items you are trying to hide are small, you could keep them inside your body. Drug mules do it all the time.

Chip

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