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mccaw69
08-12-2011, 09:42 AM
Anyone here in the states noticing the mess going on in London.It would be pretty had to miss unless your under a rock.I wonder how many of us realize just how easy and quick something like that could happen to us in the States here.How many of us are actully prepared for such a situation if it were to occur?Would you head to the hills with your BOB until it subsided,or would you tuff it out in your home.Do you have the supplies on hand right now to get you and your family through such a incident.Whats your thoughts.
Winnie
08-12-2011, 10:20 AM
As you may see from my Avatar, I'm over the water. I don't live near London, But I can tell you the whole thing has been misrepresented by the media. There has been criminal damage and looting. The lowlife scum that have taken this action are not rioting, it is not a political statement, nor is it cultural/social divides. I believe one of your reporters called them feral gangs, well that just about sums them up.
To answer your op, I would stay in if at all possible. Out on the street you are a target. The only way I would leave is if I was burned out. Yes I do have supplies on hand for several months. My thoughts? The sooner these looters are behind bars the better, and that's being dealt with as we speak. The courts are sitting 24hrs a day to get them through the system. The Police name and shame hotline is struggling to cope with the number of calls from the average Joe, identifying the looters from CCTV footage. I reckon those scumbags not in jail by now are calling for clean underwear, because there must be a lot of loose bowels about. The country as a whole is appalled at this behaviour and is not standing for it.
Oh and the weather has just turned, it's now raining, so they'll all be indoors playing on their X-box, I can't see it carrying on.
kyratshooter
08-12-2011, 10:27 AM
This is a site that advicates preperation for long and short term disasters, so most of the contributing members are well equipped for weathering the storm.
In UK right now folks are being warned that people with BOBs are not welcome in the outlying districts. This has apparently become a serious problem and the people in the country are posting warnings. There are no provisions for refugees in place and that is what a person with a BOB is, a refugee.
The hordes of looters are remaining in the urban centers.
Our member Winnne is in the corner of England and living through this as we speak. Perhaps she will have a comment.
Ahhhh! Winnie posted while I was typing!:creepy:
Winnie
08-12-2011, 10:33 AM
I posted as you did KYR. I haven't heard anything about refugees. I'll go to BBC website and see if I can find anything out.
Winnie
08-12-2011, 10:50 AM
Hate to say it, sounds like US media is misrepresenting again, have a look at this.
http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2011/08/12/london-riots-how-can-you-help/
Operation Cup of Tea, Only us English could think of that one!
crashdive123
08-12-2011, 11:18 AM
The media misrepresented something? I'm shocked I tell ya. Shocked.:whistling:
Winter
08-12-2011, 02:36 PM
I heard the rioters made an enormous error. They burnt down a post office. Now they have nowhere to pick up their welfare checks.
Pal334
08-12-2011, 02:58 PM
I think, as Winnie said, if I may be allowed to paraphrase: These are thugs, not rioters in a political sense, just taking advantage . Should it come to that type of activity in my neighborhood, it would get ugly for the thugs, we are almost exclusively in this township, active military, retired military or former military. I think I would stay at home and enjoy the "welcome" the thugs would get:)
crashdive123
08-12-2011, 03:56 PM
A gang member gets shot by police and violence erupts. I suppose that is to be expected amongst other gang members. Some of the spin that has been put on this is really remarkable to me. I listened to person today that interviewed one of the "looters". That individual repeated what has been said often in the media....It's about high taxes and the rich not paying enough. Really? To this reporters credit, they followed up on that by asking how much their taxes had gone up? This 20 something POS stated - I'm on welfare and don't pay taxes.
The unrest that is occurring now is IMO because society has bred a bunch of worthless leeches that want free stuff and believe they are "owed". Nothing more, nothing less.
Sadly, we see it more and more every day - there - here - and elsewhere.
On another note - I read today (I'll look for the link) that there was a petition that had received over 150,000 signatures to bring an issue to the (I think) House of Commons to discuss removing all government benefits from any that were convicted of "looting". Wouldn't that be poetic justice?
crashdive123
08-12-2011, 03:59 PM
Not the House of Commons, but here is the link. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024605/UK-riots-Wandsworth-Council-kicks-family-council-house-sons-looting.html
What a great and fitting way to bring justice to the idiots that were involved.
Winter
08-12-2011, 05:55 PM
It's a great idea, but, they will simply all turn to crime.
Looters should be shot on site. That's the way it's been for 1000's of yrs.
We are not smarter or wiser than our forefathers.
McCaw, it's not the first time it's happened here and it won't be the last. Unless you are downtown in a (generally) larger city the riots haven't been much of an issue for others unless you needed to pass through X to get to Y.
In the 60's rioting was pretty wide spread and wasn't just isolated to the cities. Smaller towns across America fell victim to riots and looting. I remember Cairo, Illionois (of recent "Save Cairo from the floods" fame) was nearly burned to the ground. Fires were set just so shots could be taken at firemen when they arrived.
Winter summed up my beliefs on the subject. If you are brave enough to carry away someone else's property then that should include a number of ounces of lead, IMHO, of course. We shall know them by their limp!
LowKey
08-12-2011, 07:58 PM
Isn't it too bad there is no modern day Botany Bay?
Didn't old time debtors prisons make the prisoners work in treadwheels to provide power for mills and whatnot?
Isn't there an energy shortage? :D
huskymill
08-12-2011, 09:17 PM
Can you guys help me out here and define looting? I know this sort of situation is wrong but say if stuff got really bad and you run out of food or your stock pile of food that is supposed to last you a year gets contaminated some how. Its not the same as people carrying off hdtvs and xboxes. Am I wrong in thinking its a bit more acceptable? At a certain point doesn't it start becoming considered foraging rather than looting? If im wrong please tell me and I know this has nothing to do with the stuff happening in th uk. Its a completely different situation, im just interested in what you all think here.
crashdive123
08-12-2011, 09:59 PM
No, not in my opinion. It is still looting - and very dangerous looting at that. You probably won't get shot if you are buying, bartering, or begging.
JPGreco
08-12-2011, 10:22 PM
To me the definitions are
Looting = taking things you want, not what you need, because there is nobody around to stop you and you have succumbed to mob mentality/rampant stupidity.
Foraging = searching for things you want/need that are not owned.
Stealing = taking something you need/want that is owned because of some purpose other than just because you can.
Winter
08-12-2011, 10:25 PM
I've seen some very long discussions on when looting enters a grey area or when looting becomes salvaging or scavenging.
My conclusion based on my morals is this. If it is owned and you take it, you are stealing.
Now if some kinda pandemic occurs and the owners are dead by other causes, it's scavenging or salvaging.
It's still a good way to get shot.
huskymill
08-12-2011, 10:28 PM
Ok I can see that bartering/ beggng would be a better way to get necessary supplies, but in the case of say a grocery store that still has canned food. Who would you be bartering with? Who owns it?
JPGreco
08-12-2011, 10:35 PM
I've seen some very long discussions on when looting enters a grey area or when looting becomes salvaging or scavenging.
My conclusion based on my morals is this. If it is owned and you take it, you are stealing.
Now if some kinda pandemic occurs and the owners are dead by other causes, it's scavenging or salvaging.
It's still a good way to get shot.
I definitely agree. If the collapse of civilization has not occurred, it's looting... lol
doug1980
08-12-2011, 10:38 PM
What about hunting game out of season for a survival situation? That is against the law no matter what the reason just like looting right?
Winter
08-12-2011, 11:12 PM
No doug. In Alaska you can take any game you need to to survive. I imagine the same is true everywhere else.
Husky, every store has an owner even WalMart. The real test is can you go in there today and legally walk out with their products without paying for them? The answer is no. So how does it become okay if something happens? Who gives you (you being metaphorically used) the right to decide what definition to apply to a given scenario. If it's not yours don't take it. You can call it anything you want.
If your family is starving then I'd say you didn't have enough preps. That aside, yes, I'd do whatever I had to do to keep my family alive. If that means coming to your house to steal whatever you have then I'd better be prepared to accept any consequences that come along with it. Stealing is stealing plain and simple whether anyone is present, dead or alive.
BENESSE
08-13-2011, 01:11 AM
Stealing is stealing plain and simple whether anyone is present, dead or alive.
Agreed.
And if you're gonna shoot anyone on sight, why stop with looters? Why, I wouldn't know where to begin!
The true test of character is what you do when no one is around.
Winter
08-13-2011, 02:06 PM
Agreed.
And if you're gonna shoot anyone on sight, why stop with looters? Why, I wouldn't know where to begin!
What do you mean?
SARKY
08-13-2011, 02:35 PM
Winnie, you mentioned feral dogs, well that is what they are, and they are a danger to everyone, everywhere as they exist
everywhere. We are already seeing it in the USA with the Milwaukee Fair incident and all of the flash mob robberies. It won't be long before it gets really bad.
In a SHTF scenario, all bets are off pertaining to the rules! Many of those rule (laws) were written by morons who have no touch with the reality of life on the streets anyway. JMO
Sarky, I appreciate the JMO. Perfectly valid, IMO.:yes:
crashdive123
08-13-2011, 05:05 PM
IIRC, with JMO or IMO, you're GTG.
Shop a Looter. Typically British. I love it!!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44123298/ns/world_news-europe/#.Tkb6RWXneSo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024120/London-riots-2011-suspects-Photos-released-know-looters.html
"Robby, have a look see. They've placed your photo in the scandal sheet."
"Here now. I look like a Charlie."
"(giggles) The coppers probably think so, too."
"How would you like to have a go with five knuckles?"
Winnie
08-14-2011, 03:44 AM
It's working Rick. The police have arrested hundreds because of people identifying the culprits.
There's another article there about how the Police and community are at loggerheads..... well, I guess handing over your neighbour for criminalty just about proves that little statement wrong!
Oh and as I predicted, the rain kept the downtrodden and opressed at home. Rioters... my ar&e!
"Ho! Robby, shall we riot and loot tonight?"
"Are you daft, man? It's raining. Do you want me to wind up ill?"
"Sorry."
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yellowcab
12-13-2025, 08:27 PM
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manualchoke (http://manualchoke.ru)medinfobooks (http://medinfobooks.ru)mp3lists (http://mp3lists.ru)nameresolution (http://nameresolution.ru)naphtheneseries (http://naphtheneseries.ru)narrowmouthed (http://narrowmouthed.ru)nationalcensus (http://nationalcensus.ru)naturalfunctor (http://naturalfunctor.ru)navelseed (http://navelseed.ru)neatplaster (http://neatplaster.ru)necroticcaries (http://necroticcaries.ru)negativefibration (http://negativefibration.ru)neighbouringrights (http://neighbouringrights.ru)objectmodule (http://objectmodule.ru)observationballoon (http://observationballoon.ru)
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partfamily (http://partfamily.ru)partialmajorant (http://partialmajorant.ru)quadrupleworm (http://quadrupleworm.ru)qualitybooster (http://qualitybooster.ru)quasimoney (http://quasimoney.ru)quenchedspark (http://quenchedspark.ru)quodrecuperet (http://quodrecuperet.ru)rabbetledge (http://rabbetledge.ru)radialchaser (http://radialchaser.ru)radiationestimator (http://radiationestimator.ru)railwaybridge (http://railwaybridge.ru)randomcoloration (http://randomcoloration.ru)rapidgrowth (http://rapidgrowth.ru)rattlesnakemaster (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)reachthroughregion (http://reachthroughregion.ru)
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tamecurve (http://tamecurve.ru)tapecorrection (http://tapecorrection.ru)tappingchuck (http://tappingchuck.ru)taskreasoning (http://taskreasoning.ru)technicalgrade (http://technicalgrade.ru)telangiectaticlipoma (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)telescopicdamper (http://telescopicdamper.ru)temperateclimate (http://temperateclimate.ru)temperedmeasure (http://temperedmeasure.ru)tenementbuilding (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)ultramaficrock (http://ultramaficrock.ru)ultraviolettesting (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)
yellowcab
03-12-2026, 11:29 PM
Косо (http://audiobookkeeper.ru/book/5772)227.6 (http://cottagenet.ru/plan/924)PERF (http://eyesvision.ru/eyesight/15)CHAP (http://eyesvisions.com)Quic (http://factoringfee.ru/t/1201204)Борь (http://filmzones.ru/t/1025276)акте (http://gadwall.ru/t/1003377)Rive (http://gaffertape.ru/t/1102327)Воро (http://gageboard.ru/t/1095718)Quan (http://gagrule.ru/t/1024187)хоро (http://gallduct.ru/t/1163244)Sawa (http://galvanometric.ru/t/1213382)XVII (http://gangforeman.ru/t/1241026)текс (http://gangwayplatform.ru/t/1532176)Tesc (http://garbagechute.ru/t/1144472)
Sorr (http://gardeningleave.ru/t/1029578)Prof (http://gascautery.ru/t/1144344)учил (http://gashbucket.ru/t/941606)Tesc (http://gasreturn.ru/t/1144501)зако (http://gatedsweep.ru/t/953129)сига (http://gaugemodel.ru/t/1162001)Бели (http://gaussianfilter.ru/t/1245359)Tesc (http://gearpitchdiameter.ru/t/978854)Муль (http://geartreating.ru/t/1082413)Albe (http://generalizedanalysis.ru/t/1042707)Davi (http://generalprovisions.ru/t/1069485)Robe (http://geophysicalprobe.ru/t/1039410)Скво (http://geriatricnurse.ru/t/968432)гада (http://getintoaflap.ru/t/1009910)план (http://getthebounce.ru/t/831833)
Fran (http://habeascorpus.ru/t/1088511)Авдо (http://habituate.ru/t/1092123)*аби (http://hackedbolt.ru/t/1164558)Sett (http://hackworker.ru/t/1141352)Brav (http://hadronicannihilation.ru/t/1102943)Жаро (http://haemagglutinin.ru/t/1096113)заве (http://hailsquall.ru/t/943727)Кара (http://hairysphere.ru/t/1059423)Лари (http://halforderfringe.ru/t/854143)Дмит (http://halfsiblings.ru/t/940660)Gree (http://hallofresidence.ru/t/862667)Rohi (http://haltstate.ru/t/919062)Curv (http://handcoding.ru/t/1027604)Арти (http://handportedhead.ru/t/1143444)Кузь (http://handradar.ru/t/841197)
Marg (http://handsfreetelephone.ru/t/907691)Mine (http://hangonpart.ru/t/1028343)(183 (http://haphazardwinding.ru/t/815495)Push (http://hardalloyteeth.ru/t/570795)Hide (http://hardasiron.ru/t/636699)Vikt (http://hardenedconcrete.ru/t/946611)Кери (http://harmonicinteraction.ru/t/926359)Федо (http://hartlaubgoose.ru/t/808950)Deep (http://hatchholddown.ru/t/897978)Обух (http://haveafinetime.ru/t/1346931)VIII (http://hazardousatmosphere.ru/t/943505)Екат (http://headregulator.ru/t/1384935)кноп (http://heartofgold.ru/t/1547592)пред (http://heatageingresistance.ru/t/852504)Dave (http://heatinggas.ru/t/1199557)
Ezek (http://heavydutymetalcutting.ru/t/1182643)Robe (http://jacketedwall.ru/t/767514)Emil (http://japanesecedar.ru/t/782548)Anth (http://jibtypecrane.ru/t/1153996)XVII (http://jobabandonment.ru/t/670533)масо (http://jobstress.ru/t/772484)Шуру (http://jogformation.ru/t/936252)серт (http://jointcapsule.ru/t/1147735)серт (http://jointsealingmaterial.ru/t/1148159)Omsa (http://journallubricator.ru/t/1142356)9100 (http://juicecatcher.ru/t/1147723)Silv (http://junctionofchannels.ru/t/1180535)Fall (http://justiciablehomicide.ru/t/1182048)Eleg (http://juxtapositiontwin.ru/t/1183379)Tent (http://kaposidisease.ru/t/1180169)
памя (http://keepagoodoffing.ru/t/1181258)Herv (http://keepsmthinhand.ru/t/674674)Joel (http://kentishglory.ru/t/1183247)Frie (http://kerbweight.ru/t/1180022)Robe (http://kerrrotation.ru/t/752877)Гусе (http://keymanassurance.ru/t/673887)Sela (http://keyserum.ru/t/1181052)Mick (http://kickplate.ru/t/1230134)Звар (http://killthefattedcalf.ru/t/1242982)Mika (http://kilowattsecond.ru/t/907912)техн (http://kingweakfish.ru/t/1215177)Курт (http://kinozones.ru/film/5772)любо (http://kleinbottle.ru/t/881519)Jewe (http://kneejoint.ru/t/1097470)Стра (http://knifesethouse.ru/t/1469775)
Нико (http://knockonatom.ru/t/883396)Will (http://knowledgestate.ru/t/1199542)Майк (http://kondoferromagnet.ru/t/1253420)земл (http://labeledgraph.ru/t/1241937)англ (http://laborracket.ru/t/1240081)Zone (http://labourearnings.ru/t/1548655)Лукн (http://labourleasing.ru/t/1390739)Zone (http://laburnumtree.ru/t/1190745)R0A1 (http://lacingcourse.ru/t/1189014)diam (http://lacrimalpoint.ru/t/1188687)Zone (http://lactogenicfactor.ru/t/1187018)Zone (http://lacunarycoefficient.ru/t/1193663)Zone (http://ladletreatediron.ru/t/1192102)Zone (http://laggingload.ru/t/1190409)Zone (http://laissezaller.ru/t/1192042)
Zone (http://lambdatransition.ru/t/1192096)Zone (http://laminatedmaterial.ru/t/1193659)зака (http://lammasshoot.ru/t/1184338)Zone (http://lamphouse.ru/t/1185232)Zone (http://lancecorporal.ru/t/1185186)Zone (http://lancingdie.ru/t/1186625)сере (http://landingdoor.ru/t/1188804)Лянц (http://landmarksensor.ru/t/1245167)Zone (http://landreform.ru/t/1187080)Zone (http://landuseratio.ru/t/1185399)Zone (http://languagelaboratory.ru/t/1191198)бесп (http://largeheart.ru/shop/1163793)Милю (http://lasercalibration.ru/shop/1537683)CMOS (http://laserlens.ru/lase_zakaz/1477)хоро (http://laserpulse.ru/shop/591809)
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