Worlds largest Army

[hunter63]

Got this in an e-mail this morning.....


The world’s largest army... America ’s hunters! I had never thought about this...

A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:

There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin .

Allow me to restate that number.

Over the last several months, Wisconsin 's hunters became the eighth largest army in the world.

More men under arms than in Iran.


More than in France and Germany combined.

These men deployed to the woods of a single American state to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.



That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan ’s 700,000 hunters,

all of whom have now returned home.

Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that

the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.

The Point?

Americawill forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.

Hunting -- it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security.

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That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.

Food for thought when next we consider gun control.

[bobzilla]

Yes,plus the ability to shoot long distances,great camo,and knowing the area give a huge offensive advantage to the largest army on earth.

[BENESSE]

The Point?

Americawill forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.

Hunting -- it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security.

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That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.

Food for thought when next we consider gun control.

Might be a comforting thought to some, wish it was true on 9/11. (all 3 locations, Pentagon no less!)

[crashdive123]

Armed pilots and reinforced doors will most likely prevent that from occurring again. Also - with the complacent mind set that we had (collectively as a country) it did not occur to passengers that something like that could happen either. Once the passengers found out what was likely, they refused to be victims (4th location).

[canid]

Another point: It demonstrates the staggering relative safety of responsibly deployed firearms.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Might be a comforting thought to some, wish it was true on 9/11. (all 3 locations, Pentagon no less!)

One of the advantages of living outside of the target. Our AF will have to deal with them in the air. I wouldn't discount the force that will protect my swamp.

[BENESSE]

One of the advantages of living outside of the target. Our AF will have to deal with them in the air. I wouldn't discount the force that will protect my swamp.

Frankly, I'm a little more worried about my swamp than yours. No doubt you got that one covered.

[BENESSE]

Americawill forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.

That's so last century thinking.
If there ever was a foreign invasion it won't look like anything we've experienced before, especially not hand to hand combat on our soil where that hunting firepower would come in handy. Heck there's little of that going on even in Iraq & Afghanistan by our own admission.
Of course if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

[hunter63]

That's so last century thinking.
If there ever was a foreign invasion it won't look like anything we've experienced before, especially not hand to hand combat on our soil where that hunting firepower would come in handy. Heck there's little of that going on even in Iraq & Afghanistan by our own admission.
Of course if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

That's a good point....but I don't think we will see a "Red Dawn" invasion scenario any time soon.

Using airlines, dirty bombs, ulitility interferance, even cyber attacks, may be the weapons of choice if the future......But still feels good to have the 12ga close by.

[crashdive123]

Nah. Those that wish to do us harm will just keep buying up our debt (since we refuse to control our spending) and collapse our economy.

[Winter]

At some point after our social and economic collapse; those debtors will want their money. The only way to get paid back will be invasion.

The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

[BENESSE]

At some point after our social and economic collapse; those debtors will want their money. The only way to get paid back will be invasion.

The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

That just makes me smile. Because SO many people would love nothing more. It would be the ultimate "make my day"...but it ain't gonna happen, at least not the way you'd like it to.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

I just have to add this.....I live 30 miles from Shaw AFB. Look it up. The past 2 nights...you'd of thought the war was in back yard. That Gatlin'gun doesn't play. Be advised we ain't playin'!

[BENESSE]

That was just Rick having bean burritos.

[Sarge47]

I find this thread highly interesting. Yes we have the manpower and guns, but what do we lack? The logistics of building a cohesive armed force is staggering. It's not that the hunters would shirk their duty, nobody would do that, but that an army requires dicipline, leadership, supplies and organization to be truly effective. Although there is definately something to be said about guerrilla warfare! :gunsmilie: :rambo: :gun_bandana: :m107::tank:

[Winter]

I just lost a giant post.

Anywho.

Benesse, you are right, nothing works out as I expect it to in open systems.

Sarge, logistics are more important when you operate abroad. Guerrilla warfare relies on its lack of central control/leadership. Hard to cut the head off of 1000 snakes.

ETA_-Just read a link on the enemies website unjustmedia.com that we spend about 20 million for every enemy kill we get against Afghan guerrillas.

America is too stupid to do simple math but maybe the Chinese will remember the cost of fighting on a different continent in these days of modern warfare.

[Blasfemo]

Nah. Those that wish to do us harm will just keep buying up our debt (since we refuse to control our spending) and collapse our economy.

very true, still the American foreign policy will take a a diferent tune some day more and more people share the hatred and much because of US overspenditure and greedy wars, be honest your the country that lives more out of touch with reality, the world is cutting on fuel and investing on green energy, Chine for example spends around 8 times the USA gdp in in green power and you guys pay halliburton and other crooks for infested water and poor fighting conditions to your soldiers in a country like iraq that has oil for 16 days worldwide consumption... pretty dumb *** waste of resources...

but im still stunted with the numbers, thats a lot of guns imo, i think its cultural since in my country we abolished death sentence a long time and almost no legal guns are handed makes me think a lot in this scenarios. Its positive you have the written right to fend for your life and self defence i wish i had that privilege...

[Winter]

very true, still the American foreign policy will take a a diferent tune some day more and more people share the hatred and much because of US overspenditure and greedy wars, be honest your the country that lives more out of touch with reality, the world is cutting on fuel and investing on green energy, Chine for example spends around 8 times the USA gdp in in green power and you guys pay halliburton and other crooks for infested water and poor fighting conditions to your soldiers in a country like iraq that has oil for 16 days worldwide consumption... pretty dumb *** waste of resources...

but im still stunted with the numbers, thats a lot of guns imo, i think its cultural since in my country we abolished death sentence a long time and almost no legal guns are handed makes me think a lot in this scenarios. Its positive you have the written right to fend for your life and self defence i wish i had that privilege...

Say what? China uses COAL for most of it's electricity. That's not green in any way.

Greedy wars? Who is making money on these wars? Not the average American. The French will watch genocide on it's borders and not do anything. (Yugoslavia)

I personally don't think we should ever deploy overseas for one minute longer than it takes to decimate our enemy and leave their country a wasteland filled with widows and orphans. Of course, if we did that, most of the western world would be German or Soviet wouldn't it?

[Blasfemo]

Say what? China uses COAL for most of it's electricity. That's not green in any way.



true and not true, they are changing like no other country, i have family in China so i can tell they feel the difference, its a huge territory and takes time to get it all going even if you work like a chinese ;) and ye im sure without US war effort we would be a different continent, wont comment on the pillage and orfans go to Iraq and check it out, and i agree its not the average US citizen and certainly the father and mother that bury a son or daughter that is profiteering, but Bechtel, Custer Battles, General Dynamics, Aegis Defense Services, Nour USA Ltd, Chevron, ExxonMobil and the Petro-imperialists, this guys are happy campers i can guarantee you this much....

Now, am i saying i blame the average American for this? yes i am like i blame all my fellow country men and myself for not being able to change our corrupt parliamentary system... we just have to keep fighting...

Does this mean i have something against any of you US guys? obviously not...

i have great passion for you treaties regarding separation of state, pursue of happiness and the right to fend for yourself but to a great extent and in practical terms those primordial nation rights are now twisted under fear and repression from central power... and if this can happen in America, im worried how the rest of the world will be like sometime soon.

Peace

[whitis]

Don't get too cocky.

Those hunting rifles won't do jack against tanks,air strikes,war ships, nuclear weapons, nerve gas, biological/chemical weapons, etc. And what do you do when the choice is to give up your weapons or watch mass executions? What if they attack the food supply (or water supply), including perhaps even erradicating wild game as the buffalo were once eradicated. How long can the hunters (not to mention the rest of the population) survive on wild game and foraging when they are all trying to do at the same time. There are about 12.5million hunters(over 16) in the US and about 20 million deer. What if they cut off the oil supply?

There are an estimated 9,750,000 guns in civilian hands in Iraq (2007). http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/iraq Vs, 46000 US troups. That is 200 guns per US soldier.

Hunters do not an army make. How many could actually kill a deer if the deer shot back? Most people have an aversion to killing another person even when in combat. 80 to 85% of US troups in WWII never fired their weapons to kill. A big part of military training is trying to overcome that. By vietnam, 95% actually fired with intent to kill. How many hunters would just leave it to the army? How many would just bug out and stay out? How many hunters have helmets and body armor? RPGs? Grenades? Automatic weapons? Secure communications? The will to fight? How many West Virgina hunters are willing to shoot to kill when the invading army turns out to be the conscripted Pennsylvania Hunters with guns to their head or soldiers protected by human shields?

The hunters are spread over 50 states and may stay that way to defend the home territory. This gives an invader a chance to divide and conquer.
China has an army of about 4.5million soldiers.

At almost as many guns as people in the US, it might seem that no one in their right mind would invade the US. But how many heads of state do you know in their right minds? And a decision to go to war would be based on whether they think they can win, not whether they can actually win. And even that isn't necessarily a prerequisite.

Yes, the number of guns and hunters in the US can be a significant deterrent. No deterrent is foolproof, though.

[Winter]

The figure for "hunters" does not represent US gun ownership very well. There are 90 million gun owners in the US with 400 mill firearms.

US citizens own more AR rifles than the US military and more AK rifles than the Chinese and Russians together. Many have NBC gear, body armor, and helmets.

There are 24.5 million veterans in the US.

The point of the hypothetical invasion is resource procurement, not destruction of resources.

Personally, I think we should just give California to China right now and call the debt even :). The CA legislature can show the Chinese how communism works.

[BENESSE]

Personally, I think we should just give California to China right now and call the debt even :).

They are already there attending some of the best schools in the country. And acing them. And taking that knowledge back to their homeland.
While we all get distracted by nonsense, they churn out world class scientists as educated by us.
Debt is the least of our problems.

[finallyME]

They are already there attending some of the best schools in the country. And acing them. And taking that knowledge back to their homeland.
While we all get distracted by nonsense, they churn out world class scientists as educated by us.
Debt is the least of our problems.

Shoot, we also employ their scientist here in the US because we don't have enough educated homegrown ones to fill the jobs we have here. And this is with what,....9% unemployment.

[BENESSE]

Ironic, isn't it?
And look what people kvetch about most of the time.

[Rick]

I'm genuinely puzzled by this thread. How does the number of hunters somehow equate to a defensive force? It's apples and oranges. Probably more like apples and cinder blocks. Some of those permits were for 14 and 15 year olds and some were for 70 year olds. Many were for women and I'm sure there were plenty of out of state permits in the mix. There were probably many that didn't even hunt but had permits. You can't squeeze unrelated data into the same box and expect to be able to make direct correlations. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's fun tryin'.

[crashdive123]

That email has been making the rounds for several years. Only the state has changed. I do believe that it was intended as humor.

[hunter63]

I had thought so, and the fact that most of us can own and use firearms....and a lot of places in the world can't.

I guess we all have our tangents to follow.

[Rick]

Now, if we could hunt radical extremists............nah, that wouldn't be right. ........... on the other hand..........

[BENESSE]

Now, if we could hunt radical extremists............nah, that wouldn't be right. ........... on the other hand..........

Much more fun to hunt whatever can't shoot back.
(sorry...shoot me now, just couldn't resist) :p

[Winter]

I'm genuinely puzzled by this thread. How does the number of hunters somehow equate to a defensive force? It's apples and oranges. Probably more like apples and cinder blocks. .

Hunters= armed citizens.

Armed citizens= armed force.

Ask Lord Charles Cornwallis if simply armed Americans equates to a defensive force.

[BENESSE]

How is the revolutionary war applicable to what we're facing today?
Heck, we're not even the same people any more.

[Rick]

Sorry, Winter, that doesn't work either. The Continental Army was not "simply men" they were, in the end, a trained army. In the early days, Howe beat the snot out of Washington in the north and in the south Lincoln surrendered a good portion of his men at Charleston and Buford lost Virginia. America was getting the crap kicked out of her but good. When Baron von Stueben, a Prussian officer, arrived at Washington's winter camp at Valley Forge he was appalled at the lack of sanitation, the low morale and the lack of training.

He trained virtually the entire Continental Army by training seed soldiers who would then go to other Regiments and Brigades. There were many other things he instituted throughout the Continental Army but the seed training was crucial to their overall success. By Spring the Continental Army was a different force and the battles at both Baron Hill and Monmouth surprised the British and showed exactly what von Stueben had accomplished.

It's easy to say Cornwallis was defeated by a bunch of farmers but they were a bunch of farmers that had drilled and trained for several months before meeting and ultimately defeating the British late in the game (1778).

Bobzilla - The truth is Yamato never said it.

http://factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

[kyratshooter]

The figure for "hunters" does not represent US gun ownership very well. There are 90 million gun owners in the US with 400 mill firearms.

US citizens own more AR rifles than the US military and more AK rifles than the Chinese and Russians together. Many have NBC gear, body armor, and helmets.

There are 24.5 million veterans in the US.

The point of the hypothetical invasion is resource procurement, not destruction of resources.

Personally, I think we should just give California to China right now and call the debt even :). The CA legislature can show the Chinese how communism works.


Where are you getting these numbers Winter?

The Chineese have a 200,000,000 man army equipped with AK variants and the Russians alone produced 100,000,000 units. The U.S. military made 8 million m16 units before they switched to the M4.

Body armor, NBC crap, open resistance! Wait until the Apache gunship lifts above the trees using flir and night vision and see how your sappy plates hold up.

You sound like my two Marine stepsons when they got out of the corps. It has taken me 2 years to convince them they are no longer combat troops, they are insurgents.

I must also agree with Ms. B, the people of this nation will not withstand hardship. It is not in our mall shopping, cell phone talking, air conditioned nature.

24.5 million vets. Yep, and only 10% of them were combat troops and most are now middle aged and bigger around the middle than they are tall! The bulk of the Vet population is Viet Namn era and they considered it involuntary servitude at the time. They learned very little and what they do remember is out of date now. YES, I WAS THERE. My best lessons were from the enemy. They won that one, they are waiting us out in Iraq and they will do the same in Afganistan.

And keep in mind that rescources are not finished products, they are raw materials. There is a big difference between "our stuff" and rescources. Distruction of population and infrastructure is acceptable if rescources are the goal.

[shiftyer1]

I have a feeling if we were invaded we'd make a damn good showing of ourselves. Aside from biological, chemical and nuclear warfare a full on invasion just wouldn't be tolerated. We may be untrained, unorganized and just rag tag but theres a whole lot of folks that have strong beliefs and won't back down. I wish I could find the words to express what i'm thinking right now.

[whitis]

Japan did invade US territory and occupied it for about a year. Just watching a documentary (Building Alaska, 56 minutes in) and they had thousands of feet on the ground at Attu and Kiska (Aleutian Islands). Said it was the first time American soil had been occupied since the war of 1812. The population of Attu was 45 Aleuts, a 60 year old radio tech and his wife, the school teacher; the 42 survivors became prisoners of war. A year later,there would be 3929 US casualties retaking the island from the over 2300 Japanese occupying it. Only 28 japanese survivors. Attu island was only 1200 miles from Japan. Kiska's population was 10 men and a dog - a US Navy weather detachment. We sent 34426 men (including 5300 Canadians), 95 ships, and 168 aircraft. to fight the estimated 5300 Japanese occupying Kiska, only to find out that they had bugged out.

Alaska wasn't a state at the time; neither was Hawaii.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attu_Island#World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiska

In the American revolutionary war, our army grew from about 20,000 to 250,000. At least 25000 loyalists faught on the side of the British. In 1775, the entire British Army was 36,000 men .. world wide. Even then, we needed military help from France that almost bankrupted that country, and were supplied by the Dutch and Spanish. At the beginning of the war, though, 500 minutemen did defeat a detachment of 3 companies of British troops at Concord and thousands attacked them as they retreated. This was "the shot heard round the world". Later, the US had a significant technological advantage: the long rifle had triple the range of muskets (but took three times as long to reload). Americans also had combat experience fighting indians.

Chinese Army 200,000,000 strong? Fiction.

[Rick]

Shiftyer - Of course you are correct. Resistance would and does occur any time a country is invaded regardless of the degree (or lack of) success the resistance has. The same would be true here. But to think that individuals would offer up anything more than disorganized or slightly organized resistance and be some substantial fighting force is a little short sighted I think. The numbers that could be involved would certainly offer us a delaying tactic and would certainly win some victories and that delaying tactic might be long enough for a substantial number to be trained/retrained. But this isn't the 18th Century any more. The U.S. military/National Guard would be first on the scene and don't forget that many states do still have militias that are organized and could be drawn upon. I'm certain that a draft would be reinstated so freshly trained troops would be entering the fracas on a more or less consistent basis negating to a large extent the need for untrained civilians.

[Sarge47]

I have to agree with Rick here. At best it would be a "rabble in arms." History has proven that a well-trained smaller force always has the tactical advantage over a larger, under-disciplined, unorganized, under-trained larger force. I can't imagine who the leaders would be and if they'd be accepted by the "rank and file." Having guns doesn't insure victory, just a fire-fight. Leaders would have to be accepted, no arguments about their abilities once put in place, etc.. It's why our military has such strict rules in place. Disobeying a superior officer has dire consequences. This would require a cohesion of such a large group I couldn't even begin to see doing it.

A case in point is the Native American. If they would have all joined together they could have won against the white man. However they stayed in their own little groups, most of the time fighting with each other. So we sent in well-trained, organized troops to deal with them. I'm not saying what we did was right, but the reality is that the Native Americans are no longer a national threat to the US Government because of the aforesaid circumstances. :cowboy:

[Winter]

It's an interesting conversation. I see some folk getting a little "heated" over it. Hahaha.

Kyrat. the numbers for Armed Americans are from a few sources. FBI crime statistics being one of them.

China's standing army is 1.7 mill compared to our 1.4 mill.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1019rumsfeld19.html

Benesse, it is true that people are different now, but I don't see what your point is. 3% of American colonists stood up to the British. I think we can count on 3% to stand up to invaders again. Roughly 11 million.

I'd hope that anyone who calls their self American would rather die free then live as slaves. Some things are more important than survival.

[BENESSE]

Winter, my only point has nothing to do with resolve and courage of the American people to stand up to any invader and everything to do with the fact that wars are fought today quite differently from the way they were fought 200+ years ago.
All the firearms coupled with cojones on the ground aren't gonna do squat against say an EMP attack or a biological and chemical warfare--just for starters.
Of course I may not be up on the latest in hunting rifles.

[Rick]

I would like a rifle that can fire a herd of Indiana mosquitoes at the enemy. Plenty of blood loss and no mess to clean up since they would be carried into the woods to be devoured.

[Sarge47]

I would like a rifle that can fire a herd of Indiana mosquitoes at the enemy. Plenty of blood loss and no mess to clean up since they would be carried into the woods to be devoured.
Hear dat! Years ago I visited the woods of Indiana and, while sitting around the campfire I was suddenly grabbed by two of the largest mosquitoes I'd ever seen in my life! They carried me off a ways and I heard one say to the other: "Ya want ta eat 'im here or take him into the woods?"

The other one said: "Let's eat 'im here, if we take him into the woods the big ones will just take him away from us!" :w00t: :noway: :innocent: :sneaky2: :ohmy:

[Rick]

You are very fortunate not to have heard banjo music. :noway:

[Blasfemo]

Winter, my only point has nothing to do with resolve and courage of the American people to stand up to any invader and everything to do with the fact that wars are fought today quite differently from the way they were fought 200+ years ago.
All the firearms coupled with cojones on the ground aren't gonna do squat against say an EMP attack or a biological and chemical warfare--just for starters.
Of course I may not be up on the latest in hunting rifles.

my feeling also, plus the leadership issue is always very important because we have seen in history how one person can print its ideas on others and make them sacrifice themselves for what is perceived as the greater good... this is half done when our country is being invaded but still the question is always posed and rivalry can come very easy...

[Sarge47]

Now if we could only train those Indiana mosquitoes we'd be good to go! :cowboy:

[BENESSE]

I would like a rifle that can fire a herd of Indiana mosquitoes at the enemy. Plenty of blood loss and no mess to clean up since they would be carried into the woods to be devoured.

Why go that far when you're already sitting on the mother of all solutions?
Start F.A.R.T. cells all over the land and fuel them with beans. Then just make sure the enemy is downwind.
No muss, no fuss.

[Rick]

That's really a good suggestion and we will get started on that right away. Right after we find the boat, of course. Then we have to track down the beans. Pal might have been in charge of putting them away. Or Crash. Shoot, maybe it was me for all I know. Then we have to find the wind direction thingie. I'm pretty certain we have flash cards to identify the enemy. Well, some enemy. Might be British since we've had them quite a while. I noticed the last time Pal had them he rubbed the kilt off one of the cards. That probably changed the rating on the whole deck.

[Pal334]

I will have you know, I am a gentleman of leisure, and do not think I will be searching for an errant boat . When it is found, please let me know so that I can get my sun umbrella. I have a bunch of beans , so no worry on that part

[Rick]

We have found the beans! We are one step closer.

[crashdive123]

Psssst. He procured them from the bean counters at his previous place of employment.

[Rick]

Well, I swan. They pay someone to do that? I have to get out more often.

[crashdive123]

I guess they do. I think he said that he had upset the bean counters enough that they let him go. Maybe he got caught stealing the bean counter's beans.

[Winter]

Who said anything about hunting rifles? For the record, hunting rifles are not effected by emp, chemical, or biological weapons. :)

Wars are still fought in much the same as they always have been. It takes a man with a rifle to conquer ground and defend it.

Tanks are fun, but they are not as "off road" as people think. Ohio may be lovely for T90 MBT's but the Tennessee mountains are not.

We have the most advanced and efficient military force the world has known and we are in an engaged in a long, drawn out, and costly war with cavemen.

I'm curious to know if some of you good folks "plan" should we be invaded is to become obedient and servile to the invader.

Surely no one is suggesting that I do nothing if such an event unfolded.

Almost made it to page 3 without a hijack. Well done.


ETA_I think I figured it out. I'm being cautioned that I may die in a hole from an attack chopper, artillery, chem/bio weapons, airstrikes, etc. I assure you I considered those dangers. Thanks for the warning though.

[Pal334]

Sheesh,, such critics,, they did think I was taking the beans,, however I slipped one past them, I was only interested in saving the bags :) A stroke of genius , if I do say so

[crashdive123]

Yeah - well - about the hijack thing.... Since the email that was sent around was intended as humor, but somehow got some people a little "ruffled" - we felt that a hijack was in order.

[Winter]

Conversation is not everyone's cup of tea.

I said "Surely no one is suggesting that I do nothing if such an event unfolded." and I was certain Rick would reply within seconds; "Of course not, and stop calling me Shirley"

I'm a little disappointed.

[crashdive123]

He was having an off day.

[Rick]

What? I was digging a hole in the yard. I can't be everywhere at once you know.

Winter. Do nothing. Crash and Pal, panic. Everyone else, grab a shovel!

[crashdive123]

Cool. I like pancakes. Wait. You said...........

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Well...I look at my 8 acres as my country. Any invasion to my space is not welcomed. I aim to protect this little small peice of America....Bring it! I ain't skeered!

[BENESSE]

Well...I look at my 8 acres as my country. Any invasion to my space is not welcomed. I aim to protect this little small peice of America....Bring it! I ain't skeered!

That made me smile from ear to ear!
It ought to be our country's motto. (USA--Bring it! I ain't skeered!) It's what we understand, it's what makes us tick.
Everything else is confusing and we just ain't gonna go there. When you really think about it, the Revolutionary War is what defined us as a nation--it is us at our best. Doesn't hurt to dwell there just as a reminder of what we once were and what we could be. But let's also be mindful that it's a different world out there. Even if we haven't changed (and we have!) everyone else has. And they are giving us a run for our money. Recognizing that and trying to evolve doesn't diminish who we are. It only makes us stronger.

[Winter]

Awwww, come on Rick, I got guns, gear, a combat learners permit. I wanna play.

[Rick]

Oh, all right. But stay over there and out of everyone's way.

[Sarge47]

Oh, all right. But stay over there and out of everyone's way.

Just look out for the 'skeeters! :lol:

[SARKY]

Aside from all the guns in the hands of citizens, We also have thousands of veterans with combat experience. Some of it unconventional. I'd be more afraid of am EMP burst which destroys our infrastructure and then has us turning on each other or a neutron bomb which leaves the infrastructure intact and kills all life forms. A lesson form Korea, human waves work especialy if you've got the numbers to do so

[Rick]

Okay, Sarky, you're in the first wave. Winter, you're in the second wave. Pal, get in the third wave over there. I'm gonna be keeping tally on that hill over there.....what?......I have to be up high where I can see. I'm keeping count for cryin' out loud.

[BENESSE]

Okay, Sarky, you're in the first wave. Winter, you're in the second wave. Pal, get in the third wave over there. I'm gonna be keeping tally on that hill over there.....what?......I have to be up high where I can see. I'm keeping count for cryin' out loud.

Make sure you wear something real bright so you can be seen.
And wave.

[Rick]

Well for pity sake. This is not a women's social event. We're not here for tea and petite four. This is man stuff. Killing. Plundering. We're wrecking mayhem not checking to see what's new on the catwalk. Wear something bright and wave. Of all the.......

[2dumb2kwit]

LOL....some army we'd make. We all seem to keep losing our guns in canoe accidents.

On the other hand....we should have a great secondary supply of weapons, in our lakes and rivers, if the need every arises! LOL

[Pal334]

Okay, Sarky, you're in the first wave. Winter, you're in the second wave. Pal, get in the third wave over there. I'm gonna be keeping tally on that hill over there.....what?......I have to be up high where I can see. I'm keeping count for cryin' out loud.

Dare I say it? Oh, alright I will. Third wave my a**!!!! if they did not "get her done" with the first two waves, this mamas little fool is not running anywheres. That "wave" stuff is for the stupid bad guys. I did not get this old doing stuff like that.:thumbdown:

Sheesh, do I have ta larn youse guys everything?

[Rick]

We can't get to 'em. We've lost the dadgum F.A.R.T. boat. We checked high and low upstream and we couldn't find it anywhere.

[Rick]

Pal's got a point. Two waves really should be sufficient. A third wave just smacks of incompetence.

[Chris]

This is actually a plot point in this book I read called Out of the Dark about an alien invasion. They try to occupy us, but we have "more guns then people" and the insurrection proves too much, even though they have cannons from their spaceships that can crack the planet in half. It actually is very smartly written, touching on how species may evolve different and how military capabilities are shaped by what conflicts you have been in. Then there is a big twist at the end.

[2dumb2kwit]

Much more fun to hunt whatever can't shoot back.
(sorry...shoot me now, just couldn't resist) :p

The heck, you say!

6815

[Pal334]

Pal's got a point. Two waves really should be sufficient. A third wave just smacks of incompetence.

Besides, there is a BBQ to run, beer to cool off!!! Its a good thing I am around ,or the survivors of the first two waves would be really "POed"

[2dumb2kwit]

Besides, there is a BBQ to run, beer to cool off!!! Its a good thing I am around ,or the survivors of the first two waves would be really "POed"

Wait.....we have BBQ and beer???

[crashdive123]

Well yeah. Now if we could just find the boat that drifted away that had the smoker and cooler on it. Maybe we better search further upstream.

[Rick]

What kind of invasion do you think this is? There are just some things worth fighting for. They ain't gettin' my guns, my beer or my BBQ. Or my bacon. Or....my spam.

[BENESSE]

Now if we could only get someone to bite...I mean invade. It would make the hearts of a whole bunch of good ol' boys go pittypat.

[Rick]

Would you stop?! We're manly men. Our hearts don't go pittypat. Baroom Thump, yeah. Wham Bang, probably. But pittypat is a little too East Village for us.

[BENESSE]

Would you stop?! We're manly men. Our hearts don't go pittypat. Baroom Thump, yeah. Wham Bang, probably. But pittypat is a little too East Village for us.

That's the beans talking, not your heart.

[crashdive123]

Yeah, but it rhymes with heart.

[Rick]

And smart. Coincidence? I think not.

[Winter]

Girls are fun vampires. I grew up slaying dragons and Germans in my back yard. Those fantasies evolve.

Find a male that doesn't dream of high adventure and daring-do. Then see if you can find a man that still does.

[BENESSE]

Girls are fun vampires. I grew up slaying dragons and Germans in my back yard. Those fantasies evolve.

Find a male that doesn't dream of high adventure and daring-do. Then see if you can find a man that still does.

More men dream of a bacon sammich than daring-dos. Just be honest.

[kyratshooter]

More men dream of a bacon sammich than daring-dos. Just be honest.

I did "daring do's" 40 years ago, they just got me spit on when I got home. I am not up to any "daring do-overs" at 60.

I'll be with Crash looking for the pontoon boat with the smoker on it.

Anyone need any help cooking the ribs?

[Winter]

I don't know, I still run to the sound of danger. Albeit alot slower.

Be honest? lol. I guess we hang with a different crowd.

[Swamprat1958]

That's a good point....but I don't think we will see a "Red Dawn" invasion scenario any time soon.

Using airlines, dirty bombs, ulitility interferance, even cyber attacks, may be the weapons of choice if the future......But still feels good to have the 12ga close by.

It feels good to have my AK and various and sundry other weapons around Hunter!

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