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steelnwool

07-20-2011, 10:03 AM

http://i.imgur.com/3J6XQ.jpg

Pardon the crappy pic quality.

This is a knife I bought when I was a kid with paperboy money. But now with "man shaped" hands, the handle was just too tiny. So I took it apart with the plans on making a nicer handle for it.

See how the tang/stem of the blade is a shorty that inserts into the handle? I'm looking for suggestions on making a handle. I want to make one of the Mora style handles without a guard.

Am thinking of

a: having a friend weld a 2 inch extension onto it

b: trim/cut/grind the old handle into some shape that is more conducive to having a handle built around it.

c: i'm crazy.

Thanks

Canadian-guerilla

07-20-2011, 10:59 AM

weld the two pieces together

maybe fiberglass for the handle ?
add color to the resin and sand it down to your fit your fingers/hand

Rick

07-20-2011, 12:47 PM

Will welding heat the blade beyond temper? Can you immerse the blade in sand or something to absorb the heat?

crashdive123

07-20-2011, 01:08 PM

I'd stick with the existing handle and make your own micarta to cover it (but I'm biased, since I sort of do that a lot)

steelnwool

07-20-2011, 01:30 PM

Yeah, i don't mind using the existing handle at all, I'll just grind off the parts I don't want.

Re welding: my uneducated guess is that it will be a very quick "tack tack" sort of thing which will only heat up the vicinity of the weld and not the whole blade.

steelnwool

07-21-2011, 02:48 PM

crashdive123 - I just watched your youtube video with the multicolored micarta handle. Great job. Have a question... since you skipped the whole sanding process! :P

Did you just sand down the brass as well? Or did you need something more robust like a grinder to do most of the work? Also, how did you attach the butt plate? Tks. I'm definitely gonna go with a micarta handle now.

crashdive123

07-21-2011, 02:52 PM

I used the same sanding belts for the micarta as I did for the brass. On that knife, the end of the tang was narrowed, a hole drilled into the brass to fit the end of the tang, then the tang was peened to hold it in place. There are other ways to accomplish this, but that's how it was done on that knife.

Winter

07-21-2011, 09:31 PM

Penning is my favorite attachment technique. It's also one of the oldest except glue.

I finally figured the knife out. It's one of Muala's bargain ALCE models. Good knives.

Made of a nice soft Moly, Vanadium stainless.

Personally, I think I'd shorten the whole knife and just grind off blade to extend the tang.

dragonjimm

07-22-2011, 02:27 AM

check out the helle viking about as simple a handle as you can get

steelnwool

07-22-2011, 07:34 AM

I'll go look up peening :) And yeah, I recall the knife was 31.50 when I bought it around 1991 or something. ALCE it is.

Thanks folks. I'll post some results when I have some.

Winter

07-22-2011, 10:44 AM

No peening for that , the tang is too short.

Rick

07-22-2011, 11:20 AM

Winter - You know you may have just affected him for life with that comment?

What's wrong?
(sniff) My tang is too short.
Which tang? No, don't tell me I don't want to know.

steelnwool

07-22-2011, 12:28 PM

Don't look at me ! I'm Hideous!!

Actually, the tang will be long enough when i get a bit welde on. if it screws the blade i'm okay with that.

But I don't think this knife needs a butt on it. Its just gonna have a smooth micarta handle all around it.

crashdive123

07-22-2011, 12:48 PM

I see you've been searching (those sites that shall remain nameless) for tang extenders. Just remember - it's not the size of your tang, but rather how you temper it.

canid

07-22-2011, 12:53 PM

I don't see how you would weld brass to steel. You could braze them together, but I think that would require close fitment.

you could grind the guard away to the desired profile and then you could also try a filler of solder or shims between the pieces to close up any play and fix new scales to that.

you could build an all new handle to the dimmensions for your partial tang. with a good handle material it can be much stronger than you might think.

you could of course weld a steel extension to the tang for a full length hidden tang, or you could cut/grind out another metal handle core, allowing for stronger material. aluminum might be a good choice. that would allow you to attach scales as in the original.

you could cut/grind out a full tang, with a cutout to match the partial tang and weld those for a very strong joint, giving a full tang blade when finished.

in any event, welding on the tang can be done without heating the blade too much. to minimixe that, you can clamp thick aluminum plates to the blade itself to act as a heat sink, significantly slowing the heat transfer.

COWBOYSURVIVAL

07-22-2011, 12:53 PM

It is the "Fit" and "Finish" that matters most!

COWBOYSURVIVAL

07-22-2011, 12:55 PM

A wet rag is what I use when welding to stop heat transfer.

crashdive123

07-22-2011, 12:56 PM

@ Canid - I believe he is considering lengthening (through welding) the tang and doing away with the brass. Wouldn't be my choice, but I believe that is his plan A.

steelnwool

07-22-2011, 01:09 PM

Crashdive has it right.I'm going to weld an extension on. Its gonna end up looking mora esque. its a very tiny / lightweight knife when you see it in person. but maybe i'll cut the brass off on the top of the guard and keep just the guard, weld an extension on and put a crashcarta handle.. or something. we'll see when i am actually infront of a welder what happens. :)

canid

07-22-2011, 01:43 PM

That should work out well. I would strongly recommend making sure your tang extension is as wide at the weld as the tang stub, rather than - say - welding on some round stock like a lot of makers do with cheap rat tail tangs. It would be much more secure, and you could always grind it down to your desired dimensions later if you wanted to thin it down. If the joint and weldup are good, it should be plenty strong. I think most of us have seen how the budget-knife industry alternative works out :D

CS: that's a good tip.

Beans

07-22-2011, 06:26 PM

Leave the tang as it is. Grind a couple of notches on each side of the tang, Drill a hole in an appropriate sized piece of deer/elk antler fill the hole with epoxy, push the tang into it. I put the knife in a vise with the tip pushed into a piece of wood, put the other end of the handle against the Jaws, like this l---l , tighten the vice and let it dry. It is as strong as can be. I have never lost a handle when I attched it like this.

COWBOYSURVIVAL

07-22-2011, 07:01 PM

Thanks Canid! I have been welding a long time. Did I ever tell you about welding near a gas tank.........

canid

07-22-2011, 07:51 PM

nope. that sounds like a story i'd like to hear.

did i ever tell you about the time i learned never to run an angle grinder next to an evaporation pan containing +100g of solid rocket fuel?

Rick

07-22-2011, 08:18 PM

Hold my beer ya'll and watch this.

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