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Winter
07-10-2011, 02:37 PM
You WSF members get your chance to design an outdoors knife.

We are looking at a small fixed blade, 4"-5" blade, designed around the jobs those size knives are expected to perform.

Such as- carving, light batoning, food prep.

To avoid micromanaging the knife makers who will take part, the membership will choose a blade type, handle shape, and guard type or lack off.

The makers who choose to participate select the materials and construction techniques.



When the knives are done they will be auctioned off with the proceeds going to the DOC.
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?10317-Department-of-Caring-%28DOC%29-Balance-Sheet&highlight=Department+caring



clip
drop
spear
Other (please specify)
Canadian-guerilla
07-11-2011, 11:16 AM
a good outdoorsman should be able to get by with any kind of point

but i do insist on a FULL TANG
kyratshooter
07-11-2011, 01:55 PM
Count me out.

Your described knife is not suitable for my use.

If I pay money for someone to make a knife they make it my way in a micromanaged process controlled by my money.
crashdive123
07-11-2011, 06:34 PM
The really cool thing about making knives for a hobby and maybe making an extra few dollars to perpetuate the hobby is that you can tell a demanding potential buyer with a micromanaged process........No.:tt2:

But seriously Krat - what style blade would you choose?
kyratshooter
07-11-2011, 08:00 PM
It depends on several factors.

What day is this?

Apparently I use my knives differently than most folk. I do not hammer them. I generally do not cut down trees with them. I do not fight with them. I do not chop rocks, use them to dig troll holes under the bridge or pry open bank vaults.

My most used knife is 1095 steel, .050 thick, 5" blade, one inch wide top to bottom with straight taper to a point. I like antler handles, but sometimes bone or horn is nice.

Unless it's Friday.
canid
07-11-2011, 08:37 PM
let's put it another way:

what the heck about the above description fails to suit your needs?

wild exaggeration?
Winter
07-11-2011, 09:50 PM
I was gonna do this for fun to help out the community. Seems my time and effort would be better spent selfishly.
Winter
07-11-2011, 11:14 PM
Count me out.

Your described knife is not suitable for my use.

If I pay money for someone to make a knife they make it my way in a micromanaged process controlled by my money.

What is it you have in the woods? You got an axe, chainsaw, hammer, and other crap with you that will always be with you no matter what?

Ever put that stuff and yourself in a canoe?

I can chop down a tree with a Mora, cause I know how. I can carve spoons, s-hooks, trap parts, forks, pipes to smoke out of, and whatever else I need that is suitable out of wood.

Your response has pissed me off a little. I ain't trying to sell you a knife. I'm trying to help out this community that I've grown to appreciate.
kyratshooter
07-11-2011, 11:44 PM
What is it you have in the woods? You got an axe, chainsaw, hammer, and other crap with you that will always be with you no matter what?

Yep!

Ever put that stuff and yourself in a canoe?

Nope! I live in Kentucky, we put our stuff in trucks.

I can chop down a tree with a Mora, cause I know how. I can carve spoons, s-hooks, trap parts, forks, pipes to smoke out of, and whatever else I need that is suitable out of wood.

Good for you! I can cut a tree down with a Mora too, but generally I use the chainsaw. I do not like the Scandi grind on my blades, though I do recommend it for beginners.

Your response has pissed me off a little. I ain't trying to sell you a knife. I'm trying to help out this community that I've grown to appreciate.

I hope you can help everyone here. You are a true saint.

Are you going to provide these knives for free? If they are not free you are selling them, correct?

But like all our Alaskan friends, you seem to forget that the lower 48 has a different set of conditions and widely varrying needs. We already have another thread about the widely varried knife expectations and desires of this very community, but it seems that there is a determination to make everyone settle on ONE knife.

When I go to a store and buy an off the shelf knife I look until I find one that suits me. If none suit me I do not buy anything. I go to another store. Why should I settle for something just because some self styled "knifemaker" or a group taking a poll decided it was what I need.

I do not expect anyone to agree with all of my specific desires in a blade. The knives I build would not appeal to most of the people here. I do not expect them to. I sell to a specific group of outdoorsmen in a specific area of the country with very specific excpectations.
Winter
07-11-2011, 11:58 PM
I was providing one for free.

I grew up in the Appalachians (Applelatchin's)

Nobody is trying to sell you a knife. The knife, knives, were to be auctioned off with the proceeds going to, well, read the first post in this thread.

I no longer care what you would like in a knife, most people carry their gear. You drive it to wherever.

Gas and trucks last forever.

Read the thread or stay out of it.
canid
07-12-2011, 12:26 AM
I don't know why KRS has his hose in a twist over what I think is a fine idea; but don't let it get you down.

While I agree, and many users here can also see that one knife will never be all things to all people, a general purpose small knife like the one proposed, and very loosely defined here has a lot of use. The idea for a WSF knife is an interesting one and there are still plenty of us interested.

KRS: nobody is telling you what you need. Nobody is telling you to buy or build anything. If you aren't interested in this idea, don't participate. If you would like a different style of knife, go buy one, ask somebody to build one or build it yourself.
Winter
07-12-2011, 12:35 AM
The thing is , Canid, that what you have on you is what you will have in a survival situation. I was out on a day hunt, had my cheap POS skinner on me. I also had my ruck which had a large bowie on it.

When we flogged the stern is 14" seas, and the motor died, I ended up on the beach. I had to make do.

If Ratshooter is so sure he has everything and God and nature can't take it away. Good for him, that can be his little secret.

Me, I have on me what I ned and the know how to make it work. If the boat sinks, I still have my little knife.

I would like to see Kyrats write up on F150 survival," Sheeit, it's in the truck"

I am not so blessed/cursed.
crashdive123
07-12-2011, 06:09 AM
Winter - this is a great idea, and I hope you keep running with it.

Anybody that doesn't care for the idea can pm me with their objections. Since this thread is about blade style - if that is your objection, select other and state what style you would prefer.
Canadian-guerilla
07-12-2011, 10:35 AM
how about a double pointed knife

handle in the middle and 2 different points on each end

blades 4" each, handle 5"-6" for a total length of 13"-14"

FULL TANG

a crazy " why not " challenge ?
crashdive123
07-12-2011, 11:01 AM
how about a double pointed knife

handle in the middle and 2 different points on each end

blades 4" each, handle 5"-6" for a total length of 13"-14"

FULL TANG

a crazy " why not " challenge ?

I take it that your vote is "other".
SARKY
07-12-2011, 01:14 PM
I've always been partial to a drop point blade with a full length tang, 5 inch max blade length, with canvas or linen micarta grips (I like a semi spherical indentation in one of the grips to use as a bearing block for bow and drill). I also prefer a kydex sheath.
Now if you were doing a big blade, I prefer an arched, belly forward blade, full tang (much like my BenchMade "Bushmaster"
Winter
07-12-2011, 09:01 PM
Looks like drop pint may well be the selection. There's alot of different drop point styles out there. We will nail down the particulars after the poll closes.
Winter
07-14-2011, 08:07 PM
Bump up for more votes.
canid
07-14-2011, 10:49 PM
you know; you might just be right :D
Winter
07-14-2011, 11:24 PM
May as well let it run it's course. Still trying to figure out the next poll for handle shape, final blade shape. ETC.
Sparky93
07-14-2011, 11:50 PM
You could post pictures of different types of handles and give each picture a number, this is just me thinkin out loud though.
Skinner
07-15-2011, 02:46 AM
All We Need Is the Overall Size of the Knife and That it Needs To be a Drop Point. And Then See What We Get .And If We Want to go With Micarta/Bone/Wood/Antler or Anthing Else. Why Make It So complicated.
All We need Is
1.)Size
2.)What to Use for Handle
3.)What Style (Drop Point)
Lets Get Knife Making.
Winter
07-15-2011, 12:44 PM
Skinner, I like your approach to this.

I'm game for that.

A 4"-5" drop point. The maker decides everything else.

I know it's alot to ask to make a knife to give away, but, who's in?

1. Winter
2. Skinner ( That is you volunteering in the above post, yes?)
crashdive123
07-15-2011, 03:15 PM
I'm in.....
COWBOYSURVIVAL
07-15-2011, 06:46 PM
What is the deadline?
Rick
07-15-2011, 07:01 PM
A little bird reminded me of this one.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...-Latest-design (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?10788-Latest-design)
crashdive123
07-15-2011, 07:51 PM
A little bird reminded me of this one.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...-Latest-design (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?10788-Latest-design)

**sigh** that one is sadly resting at the bottom of some Alaskan waterway.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Knife%20Making/KevinsKnive5007.jpg
Rick
07-15-2011, 10:10 PM
Hence the need.
crashdive123
07-15-2011, 10:16 PM
A friend once asked what changes I would make to the one in the picture. I would probably not make the "drop" as pronounced. Looking at it - it looks closer to a spear point. My hollow grinding has gotten better since then, so I'd probably do a deeper grind as well. I've made a couple others with a very similar blade shape, but a bit different handle shape.

Ah - but back on topic - don't want to derail the thread. Hopefully we have a few more people that want to make one.
Sarge47
07-15-2011, 10:21 PM
...which is always dangerous for me; but I was wondering why not have one knifemaker do a drop point, another a clip point, another a spear point? Just wonderin'. :crying:

And where the heck is Pancho? He should be involved in this. I hope he's okay.
Winter
07-15-2011, 10:23 PM
Let's look at November, that way they will be done in time for a Christmas auction.

Sound like a plan?

1. Winter
2. Skinner
3. Crash
crashdive123
07-15-2011, 10:28 PM
Sounds like a good plan to me.
Skinner
07-15-2011, 11:42 PM
Skinner, I like your approach to this.

I'm game for that.

A 4"-5" drop point. The maker decides everything else.

I know it's alot to ask to make a knife to give away, but, who's in?

1. Winter
2. Skinner ( That is you volunteering in the above post, yes?)
Yep I'll Always Be In If It's Helping a Friend Or Fellow Member.
May Even Make More then 1 May Do 3 .
Mad Cow
08-15-2011, 04:20 PM
I like a 3 inch blade, and nothing longer then 5 inches, and 5 would be pushing it for me. I do prefer a full tang, but the Gerber LMF, and Mora knives have changed my mind some about that.
Rick
08-15-2011, 04:43 PM
Well, I'll tell you. On a fluke I picked up an AK47 bayonet for $17.00. That is one rugged piece of knife. Despite the whole bayonet sharp not sharp we had on another thread the thing sharpens up pretty respectably, it has a wire cutter in case I need to break out of some FEMA camp or into or under one. It has a saw back for cabin building and a leather frog for belt carry. I have to tell you for $17.00 it was a good purchase, IMO.
huskymill
08-15-2011, 07:12 PM
How thick of a blade is it going to be? Personally I like mine to be close to 1/4" thick maybe 3/16" but that's just me. Also has to be full tang. As far as blade shape goes, i'd say drop point or spear point.
Winter
08-15-2011, 07:32 PM
I don't build alot of full tangs myself. Since my knives do alot of food prep I prefer them closer to 1/8". Cutting carrots with 1/4" is fun though because it shoots them across the room.
Mad Cow
08-18-2011, 03:27 AM
Ware did you get it from ? Was it mail order ? I had one that I did everything your not supposed to do with a knife and it survived. Mine dis not come with a sheath so I got it super cheap. Good knife.
Rick
08-18-2011, 08:33 AM
http://www.classicarms.us/accessories.htm

Scroll down a little over half way. It was 12.50 because I ordered it when I ordered a weapon. It comes with the leather frog but mine was incomplete so I replaced it. The frog was another $5.00. So $17.50 for all of it.

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=565&idcategory=33

The frog I received was original, not repro, and looked brand new.
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