New Gun Control

[kyratshooter]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-07-08-obama-gun-control-safety-giffords_n.htm

The enefitable renewal of effort.

But this time they are openly threatening use of executive order to bypass congress.

And these are the same guys that brought you Fast and Furious!

[Rick]

I think there is a difference because requesting the President use it and openly threatening the use of. But point taken. Anti gunners have the right to their opinions even if they are wrong.

[LowKey]

I've been reading a lot about this. Not to get too much into politics but both the left and the right think that if Obama does anything regarding large capacity he is going to lose a good chunk of his more conservative base. Something he can't afford so close to an election year.
But still bears watching. Especially considering who was not invited to the table.

[Beans]

I was informed Yesterday by the local Gun shop that BATF is now requiring that any high power (center fire) rifle sold within 100 miles of the US/Mexico Border must be reported to them immediately.

[Rick]

I'm really not surprised by that since the government is having to answer for their very ill-conceived (IMO) "Fast and Furious" program. Since the death of Brian Terry and the possible law suit from the family for the government's negligence I'm sure they want to resolve any criticism they can. Mr. Terry's family testified before Congress less than a month ago so the timing is about right. I wonder what their definition of "High Power" is?

[sushidog]

I think anything with greater muzzle energy than a Daisy would be considered "High Power." The rule is, if it can "put your eye out" it qualifies.

I guess my Benjamin with its 25 round tubular BB magazine would be banned as a high capacity assault rifle. ;)

BTW, I just read a CNN article that the BATF still has 1,400 out of a 2020 weapons still "missing" (in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels) from their Fast and Furious program.

I guess I'm a little paranoid, but I'm begining to believe that these weapons were intentionally "lost" to create mayhem, that the Govt. can use as an excuse to "clamp down" and further just such legislation. The sting operation was designed from the beginning to sting us, and further erode our gun rights. To what ends? If I told you what I really think, you'd think I am loony toons. Remember, you are not paranoid if they really are out to get you. ;)

Chip

[crashdive123]

IMO Fast and Furious was nothing more than a scheme to create a crisis. Many media outlets already report the statistic that 90% of the guns traced came from the United States. That is the data they were given, so that is the data they reported. The problem with that is that only the guns that could be "reasonably certain" they came from the United states were traced. That number is a very small percentage of the guns seized. The real number is more like 2% than 90%. 2% does not create a public demand to do something. Many, many guns being traced back to the United States demands that new laws be enacted in the interest of public safety. Problem is they got caught.

[Rick]

When you have the money to purchase a submarine for drug transport then you have the money to negotiate world wide with arms dealers in any country you choose. I find it laughable that the cartel would skulk across the border and buy a handful of AKs from Billy Bob's gun shop when they can buy them by the crate and the ammo and the clips and any other dang thing they want from any country they choose. The only thing I haven't seen employed down there are land mines but I'll bet they have them. Clamors, grenades, RPG, 30 and 50 cals, etc have all be seized. That ATF would focus on 2000 weapons instead of worrying about the 20,000 that came from Syria, Iran, or one of the African nations is pretty ludicrous in my book.

[Sparky93]

When you have the money to purchase a submarine for drug transport then you have the money to negotiate world wide with arms dealers in any country you choose. I find it laughable that the cartel would skulk across the border and buy a handful of AKs from Billy Bob's gun shop when they can buy them by the crate and the ammo and the clips and any other dang thing they want from any country they choose. The only thing I haven't seen employed down there are land mines but I'll bet they have them. Clamors, grenades, RPG, 30 and 50 cals, etc have all be seized. That ATF would focus on 2000 weapons instead of worrying about the 20,000 that came from Syria, Iran, or one of the African nations is pretty ludicrous in my book.

Not only are they submarines, but disposable submarines. Once they make the shipment they sink them.......Permanently

[sushidog]

That ATF would focus on 2000 weapons instead of worrying about the 20,000 that came from Syria, Iran, or one of the African nations is pretty ludicrous in my book.

I learned long ago to always respect my enemy. I always assume they are at least as smart as I am, and have their ducks in a row. Assuming your statement is true, (which I believe it is), ask yourself what could possibly be the ATF's motive if not to remove the 2000 US weapons from the cartel's grubby little hands? I think the answer is obvious - as has already been stated, to backdoor more US gun control regs. (I won't use the word laws, as laws are enacted by Congress.)

Evidently, we're not the only one who has drawn this same conclusion: (Warning: Political video clip - do not click if you will be offended.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nSatZvqfIF4

Chip

[Rick]

Chip - I don't give ATF that much credit. I think it is much worse than that. Melson was sitting in a temporary seat and needed some way to make a great impression that would land him the top ATF seat in a permanent capacity. Viola, Fast and Furious. The ATF used straw buyers to purchase guns legally then allowed them to be transferred across the border where "some" were found to be in the hands of cartel members. So far so good. The idea was they would be able to trace those weapons back to the straw purchasers and be able to shut down the gun smuggling network. Great idea and if it had worked Melson would be the Director of the ATF. The trouble is plans often look good on paper but don't function well in the real world. This one was a giant example of what can go wrong. People died over this and now Melson's career is probably over for good (which it should be).

[crashdive123]

I don't think that we have even seen the tip of the iceberg on Fast & Furious. While I don't necessarily give the ATF credit (although they were complicit), I do believe that the head of the Justice Department was involved. One comment that really struck a nerve with me was when somebody (interviewed on TV) said that he believed when the investigation was over it would make Water Gate look tame (paraphrasing).

[LowKey]

Introduced today:
http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2011/07/text-of-maloney-cummings-mccarthy-gun.html

[Rick]

I'm working on the, ‘‘Stop Congress and Strengthen the U.S. Constitution Act of 2011’’.

[Ole WV Coot]

It's a start for them, throw it out and see who complains. NRA spoke at the UN flat out saying we wouldn't be part of their arms control agenda and as to anything else 51 senators care enough about getting re-elected that they oppose any gun control. Now we seem to have a run on handguns small enough for CC and I picked up a couple myself but I hope it isn't necessary. I do have an order in for a couple of 25rd mags from Ruger for the 10/22. Don't plan on burning anything up but I now have more high cap mags than necessary, I hope.

[kyratshooter]

I don't think that we have even seen the tip of the iceberg on Fast & Furious. While I don't necessarily give the ATF credit (although they were complicit), I do believe that the head of the Justice Department was involved. One comment that really struck a nerve with me was when somebody (interviewed on TV) said that he believed when the investigation was over it would make Water Gate look tame (paraphrasing).

No one died in Watergate. This plot against the Constitution resulted in many deaths on both sides of the border. It also was precipitated by the ATF promoting lying on the forms, and APPROVING THE SALES when the LGS clerks called the purchases in.

My LGS would not have even called the purchases in for approval if the buyer admitted being a felon. If the buyer was not a felon they violated their own "straw man" clause. They approved sales to known felons, or persons intending to illigally transfer possession, and broke the established law of the land, resulting in deaths of American citizens and forign nationals.

That is pretty close to treason, and it goes all the way up to the president as a cabinet level decision.

[BENESSE]

I read and reread the article. Twice. And for the life of me, can't understand what the big deal is.

Is it..."calling for "sound and effective steps" to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, including strengthening background checks"...or... "The group's suggestions included enforcing reporting laws that could have stopped the Tucson shooter from getting a gun"?

Damn right they should do all of the above IMO, but of course, they are not going to. Just not politically advantageous. Besides, how does any of that affect any of you? Seriously. If you are not a criminal or mentally unstable nothing should change for you. Unless you're reading between the lines and projecting. But then the anti-gun folks are guilty of the same thing. No wonder there's never been a meeting of the minds nor will there be, under these circumstances.

[kyratshooter]

I read and reread the article. Twice. And for the life of me, can't understand what the big deal is.

Is it..."calling for "sound and effective steps" to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, including strengthening background checks"...or... "The group's suggestions included enforcing reporting laws that could have stopped the Tucson shooter from getting a gun"?

Damn right they should do all of the above IMO, but of course, they are not going to. Just not politically advantageous. Besides, how does any of that affect any of you? Seriously. If you are not a criminal or mentally unstable nothing should change for you. Unless you're reading between the lines and projecting. But then the anti-gun folks are guilty of the same thing. No wonder there's never been a meeting of the minds nor will there be, under these circumstances.

Ms B, mental health records are protected by HIPPA regulations and opening health records for gun purchases would also allow them to be opened for bank loans, mortgague, leases....

10% of our nation is using or has used antidepressants, how many have had emotional counseling after divorce, job loss, death of a spouse or child?

I do not want my firearms purchases controlled by someone making arbatrary decisions because I once had marriage counseling under the supervision of a licensed therapist.

We have done this one before!

While we do not expect you liberal preppers to understand we would appriciate it if you would remember hashing over these points of intrusion into our privacy.

[BENESSE]

Yeah, seems like we've plowed this field before although I somehow expected that this thread twas gonna be something new.
And for the record, I am not liberal...far from it. But I guess to some, even an Independent sounds like liberal. Suppose that's my cross to bear on WSF ;)

[kyratshooter]

Sorry B, but gun control is liberal agenda even if you are an "Independent" supporting it.

I support the Constitution.

I can not say "I support the Constitution, except for some things I do not agree with."

[Woodmaster750]

Ms B., You think doing what you say will keep guns out of the hands of the likes of the Tucson shooter. ( WRONG ) The black market for guns is out there and that butt head could of still got a gun with out doing it the right way..
Most of us that have fire arms on here and in the GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA have them the right way and we stand by the right to keep and bare them.
By the way do you have kids. Girls, Boys. If you had one being raped or forced in to a car . #1 you have a gun would you shoot the SOB trying to rape or take them or #2 call a Cop who's 20 min. away? I know what I would do to someone who tried that with one of mine or any ones Family if I seen it happen. Then I'd stand be for the courts. But I know I did RIGHT.
So you go a head and keep your change your RAG HEAD has promised you and I'll keep my right to keep and Bare FIRE ARMS..

[sushidog]

Many here understandably feel passionate about gun rights. The ability to protect yourself against aggression is a fundamental human right. Those who are religious believe that this right comes from God. Those who are not look at it as an immutable law of nature - the right to survive, if you will. This right transcends religion and politics but goes to the very heart of what it means to live in safety and security, knowing you have the right (and responsability) to defend yourself, your family and your property if you choose. Certainly, no one is forcing anyone to exercise this right. Nor should anyone attempt to prevent those from protecting those whom they love by taking away the tools necessary to do so. Even removing guns from the hands of violent criminals (if this were indeed possible) would not end the violence in their hearts, and they would still find some way of fulfilling these evil desires, lack of firearms notwithstanding. Would their weapon of choice be poison, explosives, fire, or some other form of projectile launcher? Does it really make a difference?

Realization of this fact came to me years ago from the most unlikely of places - the All In The Family TV show. When Gloria expressed her outrage to Archie at "all the people killed with handguns" his reply was moronically simple, but nonetheless held the essence of truth. His reply was "Would you rather they were pushed out of a window?" Evil people will commit evil acts and there's little can be done to change their hearts, only prevent their nefarious acts, with deadly force if necessary. Firearms are the most efficient way for the weak and helpless to defend themselves from the strong and aggressive. As the old saying goes, "God made some men big and other men small, some men strong other men weak; but Sam Colt made all men equal."

Chip

[randyt]

I enjoyed that All in the Family episode, may be my favourite.

The left will tell you that it's not about taking our guns away. It's about reasonable controls, for safety reasons of course. They will "NEVER" try to take our firearms away. :no: HONEST NEVER:no:

[Rick]

I could be entirely wrong but I don't think anything written here will sway either side one way or the other. Write or call you elected representatives and in an adult and intelligent way let them know how you feel.

[Woodmaster750]

Just cause a person has a gun don't mean their weak. Hell I have a ccw, but most times when I'm out in town by myself I don't carry as there or enough other things around that work just fine but out in the hills or at home that's a different story or if my wife is out with me.. It don't matter how big the toys you have are it's how you use what you have that counts. But yes Sam Colt did make men equal to a point and a knife when used right can be just as deadly as a gun, so can a pop bottle, chair, foot. What they going to outlaw them too. SEMPER FI.

[BENESSE]

I'm gonna say it again for the new folks and a few of the older ones who either don't remember or don't really give a flying f.

1. I wholeheartedly believe in the 2nd amendment.
2. I believe that people have the right to protect themselves at all times.
3. I appreciate guns...go to a firing range at least once a week.
4. I also believe that a criminal background/mental stability check for owning guns is reasonable.
5. Criminals can obtain guns illegally, we all know that. But a lot of murders are also committed by people who aren't criminals and have no criminal record. Just people who are nuts and whose nuttiness is apparent to anyone who isn't blind including their own family.
Do you want these sickos to have the same easy access to guns as you? I don't!!!

By insisting on seeing this issue only in black and white you are alienating people who are closer to your beliefs than you care to admit if you were intellectually honest.

[Rick]

Just remember that a back ground check will not reveal anything unless the person has been adjudicated mentally unstable. Take a look around this forum. There are a lot of us wackos and we haven't been judged crazy by the courts............yet.

[BENESSE]

From the article in the OP:
"The group's suggestions included enforcing reporting laws that could have stopped the Tucson shooter from getting a gun"?

Anyone who came into contact with the Arizona shooter (including his wretched parents) knew that he was out of his tree, creepy and dangerous. And yet no one said anything.Maybe they should have.

Maybe we can't stop them all but if you lost a loved at the hands of a nut who could have been stopped, you'd change your tune. Maybe.

[sushidog]

4. I also believe that a criminal background/mental stability check for owning guns is reasonable.
5. Criminals can obtain guns illegally, we all know that. But a lot of murders are also committed by people who aren't criminals and have no criminal record. Just people who are nuts and whose nuttiness is apparent to anyone who isn't blind including their own family.
Do you want these sickos to have the same easy access to guns as you? I don't!!!


Yes, but you assume that these background checks/mental stability checks won't be used as a political tool. I don't care who the party in power is, we don't want them to have this power. Maybe it's cause I live in Louisiana where nearly every politician is corrupt, (because the system is corrupt) but I'm afraid that one's "sanity" may eventually be measured by voting record or party affiliation. Member of the NRA? You are obviously a right wing subversive. Member of a labor union? You're obviously a progressive with leftist subversive ties. Do you attend church, or temple regularly? You may be a religious zealot, especially if you are, God forbid, a **********! These are red flags which must be investigated thoroughly as you might be part of a terrorist organization, and we just can't take any chances, with the safety of our citizens at stake. Everyone who posts on a forum like this is obviously mentally unstable, thus summarily forfeiting any and all gun rights. Of course the mental/background checks must be very thorough, requiring the review of a board of doctors and a security clearance of the highest level. We certainly can't expect our already over stretched govt. budget to foot the bill for such extensive testing, could we? Therefore, each citizen desiring to own a firearm must pay for these tests to the tune of (you insert the figure, just be sure it has at least 5 or 6 zeros.) Of course these tests take time - possibly several years due to the backlog and the thoroughness of the investigation, the consensus of medical professionals and the proceedings and rulings of the court.

These obvious abuses come to mind right off the bat, and I'm a rank amateur, not a politician skilled in the art of twisting the laws and regs. to their own political ends. How about this one. If you are a guy, and got married more than once you are either a sadist or mentally unstable - either of which would disqualify you from gun ownership. ;)

Chip

[Woodmaster750]

Chip, I was married seven times and served in Nam, and other unstable countrys. ( Now that puts me in your SADIST MENTALLY UNSTABLE Napalm loving zombie group. YEPPER
Oh by the way my step daughter lives in New Orleans.

[crashdive123]

While I understand that passions run high on this topic, and leaving the political component out of it is difficult - that is what we must do. Please leave out the politics.

Also - if somebody has a different point of view - for whatever reason - never turn to name calling, labeling, or personal attacks.

This has been a public service announcement brought to you by your friendly staff.

[BENESSE]

Take a look around this forum. There are a lot of us wackos and we haven't been judged crazy by the courts............yet.

NOW, I get why so many of you are worried. There but for the grace of God, etc...
Why didn't you say so in the first place?

[kyratshooter]

Ms. B,
As middle class, middle aged, Christain white guys with prior military service and conservative politics we are already on Big Sis's terrorist watch list. Any and all of out core beliefs are "insane" acording to the present administration in our nation.

How can one fight an insanity charge when the government, giving "permission" to own the gun, considers wishing to own a firearm insanity. Filling out the form indicates mental illness, in their eyes, so the answer is an automatic NO.

[Rick]

Well, I for one don't subscribe to the "list" theory. Or the "they, them" theory for that matter. When someone can tell me which list and who "they" are then I'll pay attention until then it's just one more thing I don't worry about.

B. - I have misgivings when it comes to blaming anyone for the act of some deranged individual, especially a parent, until I know the full story. Mental health issues, as you know, are far ranging and often misunderstood even by parents. We can look at someone's bizarre behavior and say that person needs to be locked away while others don't see it as bizarre. I happen to think a grown man with a Mohawk painted purple is pretty weird. Worthy of being locked up or self expression? Where's the line? And we don't know that the parents didn't make every effort to treat their son down through the years. But when a kid becomes an adult then it's somewhat out of their hands since we have the right to act as weird as we want as long as we don't present ourselves as a threat. Whether he did or not, I don't know, so I can't judge. Perhaps he had medication he decided not to take. Perhaps the parents had him at home where they could keep an eye on him. I just don't know so I'm in no position to judge. Sort of a "walk a mile in my shoes" situation to me.

Chip - There is so much information on you out there if "they" (see above) wanted to haul you off "they" already have the ammo they need. Background checks do fall in the realm of reasonable to me. I don't want felons or those adjudicated mentally deficient to own firearms. If I ever happen to fall in either one of those categories then I don't think I should be granted that right either.

Let's leave the religion out of it along with the politics.

[crashdive123]

I'm going to ask politely again that politics stay out of this discussion. If you cannot post without bringing right wing, left wing "stuff" into the discussion then it is better that you don't post in this thread.

[hunter63]

Thats why I not in this one......

[BENESSE]

Background checks do fall in the realm of reasonable to me. I don't want felons or those adjudicated mentally deficient to own firearms. If I ever happen to fall in either one of those categories then I don't think I should be granted that right either.


That's 99% of what I believe as well, Rick.
The other 1% falls into the category of being proactive and vigilant when it comes to people who are clearly (to all) insane and present danger to others. (They may not have been seen by a Dr. so there won't be a record but most people of this world know it when they see it.) When people talk about red flags all over the place that's not usually on account of someone wearing a few piercings and a full body tattoo.

In NYC, the motto "if you see something, say something" has averted several disasters in the making. I don't see that as being intrusive. In this case it does take a village, not the Government.

[kyratshooter]

I'm going to ask politely again that politics stay out of this discussion. If you cannot post without bringing right wing, left wing "stuff" into the discussion then it is better that you don't post in this thread.

I will need to quit posting my opinion also since gun control is party platform politics at its basic level.

[crashdive123]

I will need to quit posting my opinion also since gun control is party platform politics at its basic level.

Not saying I disagree with you, but your decision to not post on this topic is probably the best course since you cannot separate the two.

[Rick]

Good news!!

The acting director of the ATF, Kenneth "Let Them eat Cake" Melson is out of his ATF job. Being replaced by the U.S. Attorney for Minnesota, Todd Jones. Jones is a former prosecutor and JAG lawyer so maybe, just maybe, some common sense will land in ATF. If so, I hope he shakes like a dog fresh out of the lake and spreads some common sense around the office.

Of course Melson isn't out of work. Oh, no. He's going over to the Justice Department as an adviser. Say what?! Where do you sign up for these jobs? I mean.....who could advise the Justice Department better than me? Sir, I'd choose the bacon sandwich. Sir, I'd choose chocolate. Sir, I'd choose coffee. See? I'm a natural.

More to come so stay tuned......

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20099228-10391695.html

[crashdive123]

They had to bring Melson in at Justice. He does know where the bodies are buried when it comes to Fast & Furious.

[Rick]

Well, there you go. You don't have to have all the answers. You just have to know where to find them I guess.

[SemperFi]

Buy now ,Buy often!

[Mad Cow]

So, what constitutes a felony? If you read the yellow paper, you will see that misdemeanors are covered as well. You will also see that you are disqualified if you are under a restraining order. Good you say ? In some cases but not all. Some times restraining orders are issued in cases of divorce, and you are then committing a felony if you posses a fire arm. This has already happened and was settled in the supreme court. It is a bad idea to put all your eggs in the gun basket. And it is foolish to believe that you are safe because you are not a "criminal". That judgment is not for you to make, (so says our court system). It would be wise to remember that you are one argument, fist fight, divorce, traffic ticket away from being considered a "criminal". the weapon is meaningless. Not being in a situation ware you have to use one is what counts.

[ryaninmichigan]

I guess I have to ask if we allow more red tape where does it end? Kind of like laws for ones own safety what the he k. I need government to stay in Washington and not in my living room. The law of the land says I can have them. Enough
Said.

[LowKey]

I don't buy the 'obviously insane' thing. Hindsight is always 20/20. Are you going to come up with a test to take to prove your sanity?

If a formal commitment is in order, by legal means, fine, that should be recorded. But if someone is having a bad day due to a loss or divorce or any other reason, is that a reason to take away their rights forever?

And what about alcohol? Drug and alcohol treatment programs fall under the same clause in some states.

[wholsomback]

All I can say is it's gonna be hard for them to go door to door collecting the millions of weapons out there us law abiding citizens own,why don't they go after the real problem,all of the career criminals they let out of prison daily.Then there wouldn't be such a run on guns and bullets.Oh I'm sorry I'm being sinical that would be to much like right,the polititians persecute us while supporting the criminals with all there criminal rights.It's ok for them to shoot up the town but if we own guns %$#& that can't happen,we can't have them protect themselves because if they would take care of the criminal element the right way(the gallows) crime may go down therefore most gun owners would not feel the need to buy arsenals to protect themselves.I live close to gangland Dallas and will tell you if you don't own a gun you better because they are about to take detectives working violent crime and put them working traffic to collect money instead of working on the hundreds of yearly murders,rapes and home invasions.There is about to be a whole lot more reasons for guns and bullets here in Texas because crime is outa control here.So whoever wants gun control better watch out,they better keep them out of the criminals hands not ours,because I will always protect myself and family,our government won't or phisically can't because of political inaction or them worrying about offending a conservative who doesn't believe in capital punishment.The punishment should fit the crime not how politically correct it should be.Criminals don't care about there victims or there suffering so why should we feel anything about them,treat them for the animals they are.Sorry if I offend but I'm a Marine and do not believe this is what our founding fathers would have ever wanted for us.Women and children afraid to play outside because of drug gangs running the streets and the police and federal officials worring more about our guns than the criminals.Isn't it funny how when there was tightly controlled gun laws how the criminal could get what we couldn't?It's gonna be funny to see them go house to house collecting all those magazines and high powered weapons from law abiding citizens so they can just hand them back to the criminal like they have been doing here recently.If you like crime have your gun control nuts in power if not vote them out,I will keep my guns,knives and hunting and fishing rights and will protect my family and country,I have earned my right defending it so let them do gun control legislation and watch there political career go by the wayside.Politicians should learn this lesson,if you want to change that constitutional right your gonna loose alot of support.Sorry for the ramble but I've lost friends because our laws protect the criminal more than the innocent.There is no such thing as a reformed con just one that hasn't reoffended or been caught again.

[Rick]

Man, you guys must be living in the wrong place. Crime isn't out of control here. It could be lower but I think the metro guys and gals are doing a pretty good job of keeping it in check. They target gangs pretty heavily. Stuff still happens but they solve it pretty quickly, seems like, and are pretty proactive to keep a handle on it. No place will ever be 100% crime free. Our local folks do a great job as well. I just had an email exchange with the Chief and the Assistant Chief last week. The Assistant is on follow up. The key for US is to be proactive as well, work with local police to identify situations when they arise and communicate with them. LEO are people just like us and they can only work with the information they have. The more they have the better job they can do. I have yet to buy into the "snitch" stupidity. If you don't want to be arrested don't do the crime. If you don't want to be a "snitch" then you deserve the crime you get.

No one around here is having to surrender weapons. No one is going door to door picking them up either. Indiana is a pretty common sense state.

[BENESSE]

There is about to be a whole lot more reasons for guns and bullets here in Texas because crime is outa control here.

Used to be like that here but then we sent all our bad guys down your way, thinking, y'all got the guns, you can protect yourself way better than we can. Now, we've never been safer.

[sushidog]

Well, I live near and travel to New Orleans daily, so we know a thing ot two about crime. Most is a result of drugs and gangs. Why don't they just make it illegal to be a gang member (using RICO laws as a precedent) instead of trying to take away the only tools we can use to protect ourselves against such thugs? They need to put real teeth in the laws too, not just a slap on the wrist. BUT, the prosecutors and judges need to show some common sense too. On the Northshore, a guy was recently arrested for possession of a little pot. Since it was over a couple ounces he was charged with intent to distribute. Since it was his third similar offence (hey, he's a stupid pot head) he fell under the draconian 3 strike law and will spend the rest of his life behind bars, while real, violent drug dealers are free to roam the streets and prey on society. Laws need to make sense and be enforced by people with a brain, not by a robotic legal system.

BTW, they won't need to go door to door collecting arms. All they need do is pass a law and then mail all regestered gun owners a notice to turn in their weapons by a certain date of face fines and criminal charges. Most of us will comply with the law (especially when faced with the consequences), as we are not criminals. This is what they did in England. That's why I'm against registration, because once they know you are a gun owner it's a simple task to steal them and enslave the populace. Remember, only free men have guns. I'm reminded of the famous statement by Toyotomi Hideyoshi initiating the Meiji sword hunt in Japan. He said to the effect that the possession of swords (samurai's weapons of choice) made the collection of taxes difficult, so they must all be consfiscated. Well, isn't that what one of the reasons we own them - to protect ourselves against a despotic government? BTW, the sword hunt inspired a peasant uprising. Perhaps they were the "tea party" of their day.

Chip

[SemperFi]

"most of you will comply with the law" ,

Well you go right ahead , Im not gonna comply , I spent 20 years in law enforcement and was a Marine before that ,Ill be *** ****** if Im giving up my rights! I can disappear just as easily as career criminals can! What s the point of learning to be self-sufficient , whats the point of this website if all your gonna do is buckle when the feds tell you to! They want what I got , they need to bring it on! This aint keyboard cowboy talk , Sorry but everyone on this forum is already under the gun , you dont think Janet hasnt been watching this forum? I have two strikes against me already according to those ******** , 1)US Marine , 2)Law Enforcement , Im not sorry either I fought for this country ,I worked for this country to keep her safe and this is the gratitude , our elected bungling officials trying to ruin it , Eric Holder needs to be prosecuted along with all the ATF agents that recently got promoted! IM sorry I am enrage by this topic!

[natertot]

Sorry B, but gun control is liberal agenda even if you are an "Independent" supporting it.

I support the Constitution.

I can not say "I support the Constitution, except for some things I do not agree with."

All I can say is.....AMEN!

[Rick]

I got my C&R license this week. If they want my guns I can sell them to the Feds and be legal. I have some very expensive weapons, by the way. Have you ever seen a $3000.00 stock 10/22?:innocent:

[hunter63]

Don't know, but that's about the going rate on the insurance, for the canoe trips.......Right?

[Rick]

ATF Agent: I'm here for your guns.
Me: Okay. You have scuba gear, right?
ATF Agent: Scuba gear?
Me: Yeah, scuba gear. It's all in the manifest you've been keeping. Read it.
ATF Mumbling: Bought a new weapon...blah, blah, blah...military surplus...blah, blah, blah...lost in a canoe accident. Oooooh, yeah. You're the guy that lost all his weapons.
Me: And ammo.
ATF Agent: Right, right. Scuba gear huh? (deep sigh) Never mind.

[sushidog]

I'm with you Semperfi, but we're in the minority. Look how many Jews just marched into the gas chambers and ovens under the Nazis. That's not an indictement of the Jews, as I am definitely not an anti Semite. It is an inditement of bovine human nature in general. Most will simply go along to get along especially when the stakes are so high. Patriots are in the minority and always have been.

Chip

[Rick]

Not even, not even, not even, a fair comparison. Apples and Concrete Blocks. I won't even address the bovine comment. Not even on the same planet.

[BENESSE]

Oh sweetbabyjesus! Just when you think you've heard it all.

[sushidog]

I don't feel like playing today, Rick. Rough day at work. I'll just let this one go. :yawn:

Chip

[Rick]

Okay, I'll take it easy on you. But after you rest for a three day week-end we're takin' the gloves off.

[SemperFi]

although you have to admit , it is the sheep following the sheep over the cliff attitude ! In this country it will be awefully hard to administer a policy of retrieving guns from the population , granted in the big cities and suburds they will line up like they do to recieve the "big cheese and butter" from churchs ,they have no say, but in the rural areas that a different story , most of the cops and deputies are "good old boys" like the folks they'll be taking the weapons from , aint gonna happen! In the UK , just where in the world were all these people gonna hide? they live on an island the size of Texas , the US is huge !

But your welcome to seek refuge in Oklahoma where that nonsense aint gonna ever happen !

[crashdive123]

I wouldn't paint with such a broad brush when you talk about "the big cities and suburbs". They are populated with people just like you and me.

[Rick]

Yeah, I live in the suburbs and no one told me about the cheese and butter at the church. Someone is gonna hear about this. Baaaaaa!

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