An Idea.

[Winter]

As a survival forum, why don't we design a knife based on a consensus of features.


The 5-10 makers here can do their rendition of the knife.

Lets do a small fixed blade. I don't care where you are in the jungle, pine barrens, or desert; you need a fixed blade.

We can have polls for blade length, handle material, blade profile, blade grind, and tang type.

Using that info we can do prototype drawings and poll those.

A few knifemakers here will have to chime in so I don't do all this just to make a knife.

[Sarge47]

I'd actually thought about somebody doing just that thing, great idea! I'd like to see about a 5 inch blade or so with a "drop point." :cool2:

[BENESSE]

Where do we go with it?
What's the ultimate goal? DOC Auction or something entirely different?

[Sourdough]

Where do we go with it?
What's the ultimate goal? DOC Auction or something entirely different?

We give it to a very handsome, mature, manly, charming..........??????

[crashdive123]

Oh shucks Sourdough. You're gonna embarrass me if you keep talking about me like that.

[BENESSE]

We give it to a very handsome, mature, manly, charming..........??????

Where? Where?!

[crashdive123]

Psssst! Posts 5 & 7. :innocent::innocent:

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

I am game...if all entries goto DOC auction?

[Sarge47]

So I guess grouchy old curmudgeons don't qualify; is that what you're trying to say? :sneaky2: :innocent: :sailor:

[Winter]

I am game...if all entries goto DOC auction?

After field testing, sounds good.

[canid]

what consensus?

why don't we design a couple knives based on the lack of consensus?

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

what consensus?

why don't we design a couple knives based on the lack of consensus?

I agree...It isn't likely we all agree. A vote on the ultimate survival knife might be interesting....and fun!

[Winter]

The polls/voting will narrow down the parameters. I didn't say it was a good idea, just an idea.

Canid, I'm game for that as well. How do you propose we design a knife with feedback from WSF?

[crashdive123]

It doesn't matter to me how we do this. If we are all making a knife from the same drawing it will be interesting to see how different they all are. Any way you all decide is fine with me.

[BENESSE]

Being in a creative field (and knife making is definitely creative) we often get to pitch prospective client's business and compete with other agencies.
We're all given the same parameters by the client but how we interpret those is what sets us apart and ultimately wins us the business or not.

Perhaps we set the common parameters here up front; e.g. the knife has to serve purpose x, be able to fit y, etc, etc. Everyone starts off with the same specs, but what they do with them is where their creativity and interpretation come in. Then we auction the results.
What think ye?

[Skinner]

That Idea Sounds Great .My Thoughts On It Is What Metals Will Be Used Any that We Get Our Hands On Or Can Make . Will It Be Forged Or Cut from Stock. Just Need To Have Someone Who Will Not Be Making the Knife Do The Drawing .As If that Person Is Looking to Get a Knife Made for X and Y Reasons.

[canid]

well; i see two basic classifications for versatile knives:

those meant predominately for chopping; whatever their suitability for the remaining cutting tasks and those meant for slicing; whatever their suitability for their remaining tasks.

the distinguishing characteristics could be broken down to edge hardness, mass and handling characteristics, though i'm surely leaving some things out. we see this distinction illustrated well when comparing say the machete types knives (large and small) and the hunting/skinning/edc type knives.

maybe this will give some ideas.

one important requirement is that the overall design(s) should be suitable for both forging and stock removal production, since not everybody who might be interested can manage both.

[Rick]

Here is another suggestion offered up by one of our members. Posted with their permission.

"In a best world, I would love to see a general consensus from the forum for the basic attributes for the WSF knife. From those basics, we could have our knife makers work their magic adding their own bit of creativity. From those knives, rather than select "one" best knife, we could select those attributes of each we like best to be incorporated into a final composite design and avoiding a winner/loser atmosphere which could really destroy best intentions. It would also make it easier to vote since everyone will not have the particular knives to test in person. It would be wonderful if this final WSF design could be reproduced affordable enough that many members could own their own WSF exclusive embroidered knife. I'm guessing this may require outsourcing its production for affordable volume. Ownership of the knife could be made special by offering its sale to only forum members based on some agreed upon criteria, perhaps "time" would be the simplest and with the appropriate age restriction.

I personally would love to have a WSF 4 1/2 to 6 inch drop point, full bevel flat grind, no serrations, 1/4 to 3/16 inch stock, full tang, small lower guard, exposed striker butt, high carbon steel. I would want two - one to wear and use proudly and one tucked away so I can use the other without fear of loss or destruction.

The prototype knives our members make could then be auctioned off as others have described and these pioneers would be forever honored with each reproduced WFS knife as part of its creation. "

[kyratshooter]

Why not agree on an authorized logo to be placed on any knife one desires to have made by an authorized WSF knifemaker?

A WSF knife could then be any style, made in any process, and cost any amount that member and maker agree on, with a small gratuity going to the forum.

I suggest this due to the fact that this group could never agree on even two styles. Each mermber being a very particular consumer. Rick's discription sounds good to me, but I would want it in 1/8" flexable stock with an antler handle. Someone else might find this useless.

Another person wants a modified machette and another a combat knife.

Even two styles will not satisfy this bunch.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Why not agree on an authorized logo to be placed on any knife one desires to have made by an authorized WSF knifemaker?

A WSF knife could then be any style, made in any process, and cost any amount that member and maker agree on, with a small gratuity going to the forum.

I suggest this due to the fact that this group could never agree on even two styles. Each mermber being a very particular consumer. Rick's discription sounds good to me, but I would want it in 1/8" flexable stock with an antler handle. Someone else might find this useless.

Another person wants a modified machette and another a combat knife.

Even two styles will not satisfy this bunch.

I like it.....waiting on the Minister of Science to post the logo.......

[BENESSE]

Getting too specific (practically micro-managing the process) is bound to confine a knife maker's creativity. And anything "created" by a committee...well you know how that usually plays out.
Consider setting just a few broad parameters and let people do what they do best. Something really unique can come out of it.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Getting too specific (practically micro-managing the process) is bound to confine a knife maker's creativity. And anything "created" by a committee...well you know how that usually plays out.
Consider setting just a few broad parameters and let people do what they do best. Something really unique can come out of it.

Agreed..I would like to see an emblem of sorts. I know the mods refer to themselves as the wolf pack and a wolf paw print has been used by (Crash). Perhaps we could expand on the wolf print theme and add WSF. It could lead to patches or other insignia for the forum. Who knows maybe someone screen prints on the forum...

[crashdive123]

Any venture that involves selling things, especially with WSF on it would have to have the blessings of Chris. It's a cool idea. Let's see where this goes before we open up shop. Those that want something with Wilderness Survival Forums on it can look at this for the time being....... http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=wsurvival.202067739&CMP=CJ-CLICK-10463747&tid=suimew2ei7vc&sid=suimew2ei7vc&cjpid=4177733&PID=7532081&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=none&utm_source=cj

[Rick]

And likewise Logos. Chris's reputation and name are represented so he's the top cat on the logo.

[Winter]

Hmm, I don't do any makers mark and never have.

I'm a little disappointed at the lack of faith in the membership. I don't see a reason why a knife designed by the members of this forum would be sub-par compared to other wilderness forums that have a knife.
This is Bushcraft USA's knife.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIO_H_ZSOF8f101ybsL0A5I23Ktnw7y OB7xIbS89H6fkN0tIONSA&t=1

It's essentially a Ray Mears "Woodlore"

I tell ya what; I like the idea of the DOC deal. I am aware of the knife passaround history here. I'd still like to do a passaround.

Maybe raffle off passaround slots.

As far as the knife. I think a 4"-6" knife designed around camp/wilderness survival chores is the way to go.

So, the knife needs to do- Carving
Light battoning
food prep

As makers we will- carve something
batton some wood
Cut up some meat/sea cukes/granola bars

Anyone receiving the knife for passaround will have to document doing those things.

We will use the DOC money to get Benesse out on bail after she was caught making a shelter in Central Park.

[Rick]

Now that right there is funny I don't care who you are. God bless them little trolls that live under the Bow Bridge.

[BENESSE]

We will use the DOC money to get Benesse out on bail after she was caught making a shelter in Central Park.

Thank you, sir!
I knew something good was gonna come out of this. Now what's the number I can call out of jail?

[Winter]

Tell the cops it's expressionist Art and that carrying your permit for it violates the "idea" of it.

[Winter]

Alright, what was the topic.


Oh, yeah


I'm gonna start the polls and make the knife. Other makers are free to join in.

[Winter]

Thing is, I'm not a knifemaker by trade. I do construction and dabble in knives. I don't see a production knife here unless someone wants to call Bark River, MMHW, or TOPS and have a knife made.

[Bushman]

question 1/ who th hell is DOC............and why does he/she need money ?? :)

question 2/ I've got one in the shed I've been workin on for umpteen years............can I show that too???

Harry

[crashdive123]

question 1/ who th hell is DOC............and why does he/she need money ?? :)

question 2/ I've got one in the shed I've been workin on for umpteen years............can I show that too???

Harry

Here's the thread that got DOC (Department of Caring) started. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?10087-Alert...Half-Baked-Idea....OK-1-4-Baked-Idea

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keepagoodoffing (http://keepagoodoffing.ru)keepsmthinhand (http://keepsmthinhand.ru)kentishglory (http://kentishglory.ru)kerbweight (http://kerbweight.ru)kerrrotation (http://kerrrotation.ru)keymanassurance (http://keymanassurance.ru)keyserum (http://keyserum.ru)kickplate (http://kickplate.ru)killthefattedcalf (http://killthefattedcalf.ru)kilowattsecond (http://kilowattsecond.ru)kingweakfish (http://kingweakfish.ru)kinozones (http://kinozones.ru)kleinbottle (http://kleinbottle.ru)kneejoint (http://kneejoint.ru)knifesethouse (http://knifesethouse.ru)
knockonatom (http://knockonatom.ru)knowledgestate (http://knowledgestate.ru)kondoferromagnet (http://kondoferromagnet.ru)labeledgraph (http://labeledgraph.ru)laborracket (http://laborracket.ru)labourearnings (http://labourearnings.ru)labourleasing (http://labourleasing.ru)laburnumtree (http://laburnumtree.ru)lacingcourse (http://lacingcourse.ru)lacrimalpoint (http://lacrimalpoint.ru)lactogenicfactor (http://lactogenicfactor.ru)lacunarycoefficient (http://lacunarycoefficient.ru)ladletreatediron (http://ladletreatediron.ru)laggingload (http://laggingload.ru)laissezaller (http://laissezaller.ru)
lambdatransition (http://lambdatransition.ru)laminatedmaterial (http://laminatedmaterial.ru)lammasshoot (http://lammasshoot.ru)lamphouse (http://lamphouse.ru)lancecorporal (http://lancecorporal.ru)lancingdie (http://lancingdie.ru)landingdoor (http://landingdoor.ru)landmarksensor (http://landmarksensor.ru)landreform (http://landreform.ru)landuseratio (http://landuseratio.ru)languagelaboratory (http://languagelaboratory.ru)largeheart (http://largeheart.ru)lasercalibration (http://lasercalibration.ru)laserlens (http://laserlens.ru)laserpulse (http://laserpulse.ru)

[yellowcab]

laterevent (http://laterevent.ru)latrinesergeant (http://latrinesergeant.ru)layabout (http://layabout.ru)leadcoating (http://leadcoating.ru)leadingfirm (http://leadingfirm.ru)learningcurve (http://learningcurve.ru)leaveword (http://leaveword.ru)machinesensible (http://machinesensible.ru)magneticequator (http://magneticequator.ru)magnetotelluricfield (http://magnetotelluricfield.ru)mailinghouse (http://mailinghouse.ru)majorconcern (http://majorconcern.ru)mammasdarling (http://mammasdarling.ru)managerialstaff (http://managerialstaff.ru)manipulatinghand (http://manipulatinghand.ru)
manualchoke (http://manualchoke.ru)medinfobooks (http://medinfobooks.ru)mp3lists (http://mp3lists.ru)nameresolution (http://nameresolution.ru)naphtheneseries (http://naphtheneseries.ru)narrowmouthed (http://narrowmouthed.ru)nationalcensus (http://nationalcensus.ru)naturalfunctor (http://naturalfunctor.ru)navelseed (http://navelseed.ru)neatplaster (http://neatplaster.ru)necroticcaries (http://necroticcaries.ru)negativefibration (http://negativefibration.ru)neighbouringrights (http://neighbouringrights.ru)objectmodule (http://objectmodule.ru)observationballoon (http://observationballoon.ru)
obstructivepatent (http://obstructivepatent.ru)oceanmining (http://oceanmining.ru)octupolephonon (http://octupolephonon.ru)offlinesystem (http://offlinesystem.ru)offsetholder (http://offsetholder.ru)olibanumresinoid (http://olibanumresinoid.ru)onesticket (http://onesticket.ru)packedspheres (http://packedspheres.ru)pagingterminal (http://pagingterminal.ru)palatinebones (http://palatinebones.ru)palmberry (http://palmberry.ru)papercoating (http://papercoating.ru)paraconvexgroup (http://paraconvexgroup.ru)parasolmonoplane (http://parasolmonoplane.ru)parkingbrake (http://parkingbrake.ru)
partfamily (http://partfamily.ru)partialmajorant (http://partialmajorant.ru)quadrupleworm (http://quadrupleworm.ru)qualitybooster (http://qualitybooster.ru)quasimoney (http://quasimoney.ru)quenchedspark (http://quenchedspark.ru)quodrecuperet (http://quodrecuperet.ru)rabbetledge (http://rabbetledge.ru)radialchaser (http://radialchaser.ru)radiationestimator (http://radiationestimator.ru)railwaybridge (http://railwaybridge.ru)randomcoloration (http://randomcoloration.ru)rapidgrowth (http://rapidgrowth.ru)rattlesnakemaster (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)reachthroughregion (http://reachthroughregion.ru)
readingmagnifier (http://readingmagnifier.ru)rearchain (http://rearchain.ru)recessioncone (http://recessioncone.ru)recordedassignment (http://recordedassignment.ru)rectifiersubstation (http://rectifiersubstation.ru)redemptionvalue (http://redemptionvalue.ru)reducingflange (http://reducingflange.ru)referenceantigen (http://referenceantigen.ru)regeneratedprotein (http://regeneratedprotein.ru)reinvestmentplan (http://reinvestmentplan.ru)safedrilling (http://safedrilling.ru)sagprofile (http://sagprofile.ru)salestypelease (http://salestypelease.ru)samplinginterval (http://samplinginterval.ru)satellitehydrology (http://satellitehydrology.ru)
scarcecommodity (http://scarcecommodity.ru)scrapermat (http://scrapermat.ru)screwingunit (http://screwingunit.ru)seawaterpump (http://seawaterpump.ru)secondaryblock (http://secondaryblock.ru)secularclergy (http://secularclergy.ru)seismicefficiency (http://seismicefficiency.ru)selectivediffuser (http://selectivediffuser.ru)semiasphalticflux (http://semiasphalticflux.ru)semifinishmachining (http://semifinishmachining.ru)spicetrade (http://spicetrade.ru)spysale (http://spysale.ru)stungun (http://stungun.ru)tacticaldiameter (http://tacticaldiameter.ru)tailstockcenter (http://tailstockcenter.ru)
tamecurve (http://tamecurve.ru)tapecorrection (http://tapecorrection.ru)tappingchuck (http://tappingchuck.ru)taskreasoning (http://taskreasoning.ru)technicalgrade (http://technicalgrade.ru)telangiectaticlipoma (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)telescopicdamper (http://telescopicdamper.ru)temperateclimate (http://temperateclimate.ru)temperedmeasure (http://temperedmeasure.ru)tenementbuilding (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)ultramaficrock (http://ultramaficrock.ru)ultraviolettesting (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)