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Sarge47
07-05-2011, 11:21 PM
Survival practice is:

Learning how to start a fire without burning down the forest. Knowing the different purposes of different types of fires, preparing the fire site, knowing which wood is okay to use & which isn't. How to light wet wood as well as dry, what to use to actually light the fire, and what to do if you don't have them.

I was going to write a whole lot more about the different things needed but where's the fun in that? I've left the topic of "survival practice" wide open for those who'd like to offer up insights. :cool2:
Eastree
07-06-2011, 12:26 AM
Survival practice is:

* Reading as much as possible, looking forward the having time to put some of it to practical use.

* Setting up a 'survival' camp -- a.k.a. tarp or other type of survival shelter -- in the back yard (oh, how I wish I had one right now!) or camping, with either the real camping gear or house close enough to use in case the weather hits the fan.

* Testing different kinds of tinder, seeing what works, what doesn't, and what works well.
Sparky93
07-06-2011, 12:44 AM
Survival practice is failing as much as possible, cuz then you know what not to do.

I am very skilled in this art :)
Pal334
07-06-2011, 05:45 AM
I think survival practice is living life. Thriving through its trials. Surviving the bumps in the road. This hones your adaptation and coping skillls. Along the way you practice the manual skills that may be needed.
NightShade
07-06-2011, 07:36 AM
Survival practice is shutting off your television, putting your books back on the shelf for a bit, and getting out there and expanding your experience. Einstein said, "Experience is life's most valuable classroom." Know your limits and capabilities, because you've done something before, not because you've read about it or saw a guy on T.V./internet do it. Life is a sum of your experiences, survival may rely on those experiences one day.

Oh and btw, all great ideas so far!!!!! Fire/shelter/water.... that's probably where I d start if I was starting now.
hunter63
07-06-2011, 10:28 AM
I think that we are going about this backwards.
We should be addressing these activities as "self reliance skills" rather than survival skills.
Survival implies that something is getting in your way of staying alive.......Or at least being a major PITA

Yeah, I know doesn't sound as "cool", but when you think about it, and sadly even a lot of the TV shows, seem to think that you need to "Go out and survive", rather then say, Go camping, hunting, fishing, 4 wheeling, canoeing or even driving to Gramma House in bad weather.

Even this thread which is kinda an off shoot of a thread started by a young person that wanted to know how to practice "surviving".

I gotta tell ya, if I have to "survive" instead of enjoying what ever activity I started with, I either didn't plan well, prepare equipment well, or had something happen that was unforeseen, causing any occasion be be a potential "survival situation".

Want survival practice?........How about having some one wake you up, at what ever time you can name. Then pick you up, haul you blindfolded somewhere with whatever you have in your pockets, but with out cell phone and credit cards, and drop you off........ Your job, get home alive.

I will say that any practice of anything that might be helpful in a given scenario, is desirable.
Example: Hunting partner and I practiced righting a canoe, by purposely tipping it over.....righting it, and finding your stuff, and live.
Done with swim suits, in warm weather, in shallow water.

Lessons learned, yes it's possible to do, even easier with PFDs, but harder when dressed in heavy hunting clothes, waders, harder to control your gear, sinks floats off etc. Dogs are no help.

Conclusion of this drill,.... Get a bigger boat...Would that prevent bad things from happening?, no but makes it easier to stay dry.
Rick
07-06-2011, 10:56 AM
I guess I'm with Hunter. I practice living. I'll do survival when the chips are down. If you practice survival and fail that's kinda the end of the game.
Sarge47
07-06-2011, 11:24 AM
Yo Hunter & Rick; I understand what you're saying, however this is in response to another thread where the term "survival practice" was used by a young member. Obviously learning & enjoying the outdoors is the "best" method of learning "Wilderness Survival." However, both the Boy Scouts as well as the different branches of the military have categories that are labeled "Survival." So I think that, in that vein, this is an appropriate definition. If you read my op you will see that basically what I was saying is to learn all of the outdoor skills that you can, then you will be equipped for "survival" in the wilderness. You can also have some fun along the way. Thank you. :cool2:
hunter63
07-06-2011, 12:20 PM
Gotta ya....Not trying to derail this thread.
Rick
07-06-2011, 02:27 PM
You're right and I apologize. So let me add to it by saying that clean water is a must for survival practice and knowing how to clean and purify water is a must for anyone outdoors. I'll use the word clean separately from purify by using in the context of removing foreign matter rather than water borne pathogens.

To clean water you can cover your bottle, canteen or cup with a bandana or any clean cloth. That will prevent some larger silt, leaves or other debris from entering your container. You can practice different ways to do this using different containers and seeing which weave patterns block the most debris.

To purify water simply bring it to a boil. Raising the temperature to 212F will kill bacteria, cysts, amoebas, protozoa and viruses. You can practice this by trying different fuels to see which will bring water to its boiling point the quickest.
Sarge47
07-06-2011, 04:36 PM
You're right and I apologize. So let me add to it by saying that clean water is a must for survival practice and knowing how to clean and purify water is a must for anyone outdoors. I'll use the word clean separately from purify by using in the context of removing foreign matter rather than water borne pathogens.

To clean water you can cover your bottle, canteen or cup with a bandana or any clean cloth. That will prevent some larger silt, leaves or other debris from entering your container. You can practice different ways to do this using different containers and seeing which weave patterns block the most debris.

To purify water simply bring it to a boil. Raising the temperature to 212F will kill bacteria, cysts, amoebas, protozoa and viruses. You can practice this by trying different fuels to see which will bring water to its boiling point the quickest.
Dam Rick! That's great! Rep sent, although I don't know why, you got enough green thingies to build a Christmas tree! Never! Ever! Drink untreated water in the outdoors in most instances! :thumbup:
Aurelius95
07-06-2011, 05:17 PM
... Survival practice is going into the laundry room last night due to a severe thunder storm. Nothing noted on the television that real bad weather was on its way (at least in our direction), but it came. I went up and got the baby out of his crib, my wife grabbed the dog and off we went. Sitting there, I thought to myself, "What do I need to make sure we can get out of here quickly and safely if the need arises?". For starters, I needed shoes. I was barefoot in shorts and a t-shirt. I had no flashlight (power only blinked). I did have my cell phone.

I am going to prepare a small stash to keep down there, so I don't need to worry about all of those things if we need to make a hasty retreat.

Good post, Sarge.
Curt
07-06-2011, 05:39 PM
I do a lot of stuff right in my back yard. I have looked at youtube, saw how stuff was done, went to my backyard and did them. This works very well for me because I can "walk away" if I need to due to frustration. Starting a fire without modern convenience has caused more than a few curses to come from my lips :D
crashdive123
07-06-2011, 06:39 PM
Many of us (me included) are often enamored with the latest gear and gadgets. Whether your gear is modern, primitive, new, or old make sure that you have tested it. Use your gear! Practice with your gear. Become so familiar with your gear that it's use is automatic. Having something new and shiny that is supposed to be a great piece of gear does nothing but give you false confidence if you do not know how to use it.
Rick
07-06-2011, 07:18 PM
Aurelius - I think you covered a great survival practice without covering it. Thinking about the situation. Taking the time to just think about the situation and what options you have at your disposal or what options you don't have but need is a great survival practice that can be done anywhere. Sitting in a meeting at work? "What would I need if there were a fire, shooter, tornado, earthquake, etc. right now". Driving down the road? "What if I encountered a drunk driver, deer, car crash with victims, car fire, etc right now?" Not all at once of course. But think through them one at a time as a survival practice. Get in the practice of thinking that way and you probably won't find yourself short of supplies because you'll have already thought about it. Good job!!
hunter63
07-07-2011, 10:48 AM
... Survival practice is going into the laundry room last night due to a severe thunder storm. Nothing noted on the television that real bad weather was on its way (at least in our direction), but it came. I went up and got the baby out of his crib, my wife grabbed the dog and off we went. Sitting there, I thought to myself, "What do I need to make sure we can get out of here quickly and safely if the need arises?". For starters, I needed shoes. I was barefoot in shorts and a t-shirt. I had no flashlight (power only blinked). I did have my cell phone.

I am going to prepare a small stash to keep down there, so I don't need to worry about all of those things if we need to make a hasty retreat.

Good post, Sarge.

I guess I think like that all the time.
If I find my self in most any situation that I don't have what I need,.....this time, I will add it for next time.
Just reading your post, my mind runs thru what is available for that situation... in my locations.

I guess it's just a mind set of continued improvement, preperation, and self reliance.

The only possible down side is that I seem to accumilate gear.....every where,.....just because I might need it.
bobzilla
07-07-2011, 12:15 PM
This year:

1.Navigating a small town with power lines down to pick up relatives
2.Setting out two tornado warning in a cellar.
3. Navigating the Wabash River flooded bottoms in a boat to pick up stranded families,whose homes were OK,but had no way of getting out,due to flooded roads.

Lessons learned,no matter how nice it looks,check the radar for storms,weather forecasting has been terrible this year.
Make sure your tornado cellar is water resistant,I was shocked at how much wind driven rain got into my "waterproof" cellar
Having everything you need in your BOV in case you are trapped in an area until the water goes down.
Always carry your cellphone,don't leave home without it.

Practice,for me,is to assess threats that are probable,then mentally work through a plan of action,taking an inventory of preps,then modifying the "projected" to the actual.Flashlight batteries,extra fuel for the BOV,and extra food and water in the BOV,etc.

Practice based on likely events and putting the Zombies taking over the Federal Reserve just before a meteorite extinction at the bottom of the list.
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