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Sarge47

06-19-2011, 08:01 PM

There's been some discussion on the boards regarding watching some things being done on TV vs. actually going out & doing them yourself. I was thinking about Ranger X's thread on creating our own "Survival Series" when I realized that , unless I was truly in a "survival situation" what I was contemplating about doing was against the law. I was thinking about making a video on survival fishing & what I would do is make a "trot-line." However Game Wardens around here frown on that sort of thing, license or no. So I must admit that perhaps we do need the survival shows at times to demonstrate what we can't replicate. :yes:

Winter

06-19-2011, 08:27 PM

That's an easy one sarge. Don't take any food and pretend like you are lost.

It's perfectly legal to take food in an emergency.

Sarge47

06-19-2011, 08:38 PM

That's an easy one sarge. Don't take any food and pretend like you are lost.

It's perfectly legal to take food in an emergency.
Well, the problem with that is that you can still be liable for "rescue costs, a fishing fine would probably be cheaper! However if one has aces to a private pond on private land & permission....hmmmm. :shifty:

rwc1969

06-19-2011, 09:17 PM

I hate to say it, but my wings have been clipped. It's hard for me to even go out and video wild edibles without getting confronted by some authority figure, detained, and what have you. And that's without the Rambo suit on, lol. Step off the trail and you are suspect, pick a plant and you are a reason for high alert, eat the plant and you must be on crack cocaine or something. Sheesh! You should see the looks I get when I walk out onto the bike path covered in blood with a deer in one arm and a gun in the other. Nevermind the fact that the entire park was paid for with my hunting and fishing dollars, not bike sales or park stickers. I almost feel ashamed to be a hunter anymore. I am made to feel wrong for participating in the outdoors. I've had rocks thrown at me, horns honked at me, my car vandalized, etc. etc. I'm basically left to hunt near my vehicle with camera in hand so if someone does try something I can get it on film. That is the option i was given by the DNR after reporting a hunter harrasment incident, my word against theirs unless there's more witnesses. I'm not even sure if the video or pics will hold up in court, but it will give ME their licence plate #.

I haven't been doing too much in the way of vids because of that, no open fires allowed anywhere, not even in my backyard. I could do some "real" trap making vids, but for me I want to be out in the woods doing it, not in my backyard. With the new city regs, they're trying to keep up with the new world order, I'm not even sure if I'll be able to make maple next year, no wood burning allowed is the proposal, but folks are up in arms over that one so we'll see how it pans out. The whole point of me going to the woods is to relieve stress, and instead it creates stress.

I have resorted to simply browsing the internet thinking about the things I could do if I lived somewhere else, it's a bit depressing. I can't say the grass is greener on the other side, but at least I could make a campfire. Plus, my 2 year vacation of full time college has about run it's course and I need to start bringin' home the bacon once again. I don't have a TV anymore, so I watch Dual Survival on Youtube.

I somehow find it ironic that in this day and age a person can be flat broke and still have internet access. I find it even more ironic that some homeless folks have Youtube channels and are somehow able to post vids. America wonders why it's people are fat and lazy, well maybe if they made it acceptable to actively participate in the outdoors and nature there wouldn't be so many getting fat on the internet.

Once I get back on my feet, I'm seriously considering a move. I recently found out it's even illegal to possess dead clam shells anywhere in Michigan without a special research permit. No permit equals up to 1 year in jail, a high misdemeanor.

I spoke with the DNR and they told me it was illegal to camp outside of a campground anywhere in Southern Michigan. The actual law doesn't specify this, but it's the DNR officer that writes the ticket, not the law. Regardless, there are many, many loopholes to jump through where I live in order to legally participate and I don't have the money to hire an attorney if I accidentally or unwittingly break the law or get charged with a law that I didn't break in the first place.

:(

BENESSE

06-19-2011, 10:43 PM

America wonders why it's people are fat and lazy, well maybe if they made it acceptable to actively participate in the outdoors and nature there wouldn't be so many getting fat on the internet.
:(

Or maybe, just maybe, if they got off their fat a$$ and found a job, ANY job that poor immigrants risk their life for and are happy to do, they might not be fat and lazy no more? People who "do windows" always have a job.
Just a wild guess.

rwc1969

06-19-2011, 11:13 PM

Maybe if there were no immigrants "they" could get jobs. But, I don't know what that has to do with this thread, thanks anyway for your valued input. :)

COWBOYSURVIVAL

06-19-2011, 11:17 PM

I hate to break it to ya'll but here in the south we camp where we damn well please without an interference....

canid

06-20-2011, 12:01 AM

i've usually rather enjoyed the odd looks i get. there have been some unpleasant encounters though.

hunting wild mushrooms in oregon i've been approached by local teens calling 'he fa%%$t, go back to california' or 'let us give you a haircut'. they would approach me aggressively all the while i'm walking along cleaning a musrhoom with the mushroom in one hand and my cleaning knife in the other while they finally noticed that, turned and walked abruptly away.

another incident was an irate landowner who was deeply mistaken about were his property line was.

Winnie

06-20-2011, 04:03 AM

RWC, I feel your pain. In the whole of the UK I cannot legally take fish without a licence and permission, and then I'm restricted to 5 or 6 species. I cannot legally hunt with Bow at all. I cannot legally shoot without a gun licence and permission. Regarding wild plants and funghi, well, you never saw me. It's easier that way.

Sarge47

06-20-2011, 09:37 AM

I cannot legally hunt with Bow at all. I cannot legally shoot without a gun licence and permission.
Now there's a picture in my mind that I'd like to see in real life, Winnie hunting with a bow or a nice heavy .50 cal....too cool! :m107: :thumbup: :clap: :whistling:

Rick

06-20-2011, 10:35 AM

Why limit yourself to DNR properties? The Manistee National Forest covers a lot of ground and is not generally governed by state laws although they can match state laws. There is a trail called the North Country National Scenic Trail that runs through Manistee. The full trail runs from New York state to North Dakota. I don't think all of it has been completed but it would be worth checking to see if the Manistee portion has been. It's supposed to be over 100 miles in just Manistee.

The rules are the price we pay for living in society I guess. I have to travel 1.5 hours if I want to spend time in truly back country. As for the burn bans I guess I'd rather use my stove than have my tax dollars putting out wild fires. You pay for it either way.

Winter

06-20-2011, 12:24 PM

I do pretty much whatever I want to do in the bush here. I always have a fishing and hunting license.

Only place you find alot of fish and game type officers is in the most accessible areas.

SARKY

06-21-2011, 01:29 AM

The big joke in Maine was, If you get lost in the woods, set a trot line and the game warden will be by shortly to give you a citation.

Winnie

06-21-2011, 07:45 AM

Now there's a picture in my mind that I'd like to see in real life, Winnie hunting with a bow or a nice heavy .50 cal....too cool! :m107: :thumbup: :clap: :whistling:

You and me both Sarge!:o

rwc1969

06-21-2011, 09:33 AM

The big joke in Maine was, If you get lost in the woods, set a trot line and the game warden will be by shortly to give you a citation.

Now that is about the best survival tip I've ever hear. I'm sure it would work here too. LOL!

hunter63

06-21-2011, 10:22 AM

The big joke in Maine was, If you get lost in the woods, set a trot line and the game warden will be by shortly to give you a citation.

Problem would be, when they finish giving you the ticket.....They leave you there.........

Rick

06-21-2011, 01:11 PM

Or sit down and play some solitaire. Someone is sure to walk up and say, "Play that red seven on the black eight".

BENESSE

06-21-2011, 02:25 PM

Or just stop by a gas station and ask for directions like your wife told you to.:innocent:

Camp10

06-21-2011, 06:40 PM

The big joke in Maine was, If you get lost in the woods, set a trot line and the game warden will be by shortly to give you a citation.

That's funny! I grew up in PA and never saw a warden in the woods once. My first year hunting here, I talked to the two (yeah two) that covered this area 4 or 5 times! It isn't like that to much anymore, they took a beating with budget cuts and there are very few wardens covering Maine now. I don't think I've talked to a warden in the woods in 6 or 7 years!

SARKY

06-21-2011, 08:46 PM

The only time I ever saw a warden in the woods is when they would call us out for a Search & Rescue mission. And even then they were always mooching water and snacks off of us.

LowKey

06-21-2011, 09:37 PM

In MA we have about 50,000 open-space acres and 60,000 hunters. The DNR knows who pays for it and are very much for the hunters that are left here. Hunter harassment is taken very seriously too. They do tell you to be discreet though, especially don't transport taken animals in a gory manner (though a portion of big game has to be showing during transport, it doesn't have to be the whole bloody carcass.) As a kid, I always thought it was cool to see a deer on a guy's car roof going down the highway. Our neighbor used to hang his on a tree right out by the road. Times have changed. But the good thing is that here, deer are considered rats with antlers. The yuppies think they are all cute and all Bambi-like until the beasts start eating their prize rhododendrons and $100 rose bushes. Then they are happy to see the hunting season open. LOL.

I never saw a game warden. My buddy did though. The one time he kept an undersized trout that died on the line...They must have a 6th sense about such things.

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