What I've learned...

[Sarge47]

...from the guys in the "reality" survival shows.

BEAR GRYLLS: Stay away from this guy! He's an accident looking for a place to happen.

MYKEL HAWKE: The one thing I've learned from this guy did not come from his series with his wife, but years earlier on an episode of "I Shouldn't Be Alive: S.O.S. (Science Of Survival.) Mykel was in a jungle setting & had come across a stagnant pool of water. He demonstrated how to drink the water safely by digging a hole 12 inches away from the pool & 12 inches down to get water to filter into the hole. The dirt/sand worked as a filter, making the water safe to drink.

LES STROUD: Les taught way too much to list here, but "fire-starting" methods was a bigee!

CODY & DAVE; DUAL SURVIVAL: 1st, Cody Lundin: A lot that I've learned from Cody is from his 1st book on Survival: "98.6 Degrees..." Keeping your gear highly visible despite weather & geographical conditions. Modifying water bottles to maximize their usefulness. Leaving an impression of your footprint behind on aluminum foil so that anybody searching for you will be able to tell yours apart from others; just to name a few. From the series I've learned to wrap my Mora sheath with some bright orange duct tape and to hang it from my neck with para-cord. (According to an e-mail I received from Cody he learned this from Mors Kochanski.) How to build a cool Wikiup, various fire-starting methods, & the proper use of urine in a desert situation.

2nd, David Canturbury: I'd never heard of Dave before this series, but am impressed with his knowledge of how to survive in the woods. His fire starting using the headlight lens was great! His knowledge of hunting is also cool, as well as how to dispatch an animal by cuting it at the base of the neck. Your turn. :cool2:

[FVR]

Sarge, you may have hit the nail on the head on this one.

STAY AWAY FROM BEAR'S INFO!!!!!!

I know nothing of Hawke.

Les, alot of good info, way too much to list.

Cody, I've learned a few things that could keep me alive longer. I knew of him prior to his tv debut from other interviews. Seemed like a flower child that knows his crappolla.

Canturbury use to have a great info. site that I visited alot. Since his tv debut, his site has changed formats and now is more commercial. He kind of straddles the line between modern gear and primitive methods.

[FVR]

Wow, looks like a peepee contest.

Who has the bigger container?

[rwc1969]

What I've learned from all these guys that teach survival or wilderness living is that somebody taught them what they know. They didn't just magically aquire the knowledge.

Another thing is that they, talking about the TV types now, as a whole, don't really know as much as the shows make them appear to know. They are getting first hand knowledge and experience handed to them on a silver platter immediately prior to and most likely during the shoot, and somebody is paying through the teeth to get that knowledge to them for the sake of the show. I like the way they can just name off every tree, plant, insect, and animal by species offhand, and it's uses, and it's history of use, and the name of the tribe that used it, and how to prepare it. :)

Man that's a lot of knowledge to fit in one brain considering they are shooting all over the world, considering they are shooting in places they've never before visitied in their entire life prior to the show, considering that they have never before laid eyes on the plant or creature they are talking about.

A decent camera, good editing software and a few peoples' help could make anyone appear as an expert on whatever topic chosen.

Imagine!

A nice shot of me gathering huge quantities of material, building my primitive shelter in the pouring rain, entering it, saying good night and fading to a nice stop action pan of the western sky with a slow fade in of the moring sun and me coming out of my apparently rainproof, and bulletproof shelter dry as a bone and spry as a red tailed fox.

What you didn't see was me turning off the camera between shots, eating a sandwich, pullin' back a 40, going home, eating dinner, going to bed in my bed "AT HOME", then waking up, having a big breakfast, driving all the way back out to the woods, turning on the camera, crawling back inside, ACTION! me coming out nice and dry and well rested. Well actually you would see me a bit wet and covered in leaves, but only because I sprayed myself with a water bottle and rolled around in the leaves before going back in. LOL! You also didn't see the three guys with leaf rakes piling up leaves for me to use to build my shelter, you didn't see it cave in on me, you didn't know I was covered in DEET from head to toe either wearing clothes that were treated with permethrin.

Of course that trap I set earlier the day before was too weak to HOLD, let alone kill, a wily rabbit. But, my .22 was more than capable, so I shot one on the way in after breakfast and stuck him in the trap, wiping off all sings of an entry wound of course and fluffing up the fur a bit. On to day two, "lets go see if anything is in that trap I set yesterday". Wawawa! CUT! Where's the cue card that lists the name, history, tribe name and history, and potential parasites that a rabbit this time of year might have?" "Doh! I left it back at the the car. Hold on while I go get it."

The #1 thing I've learned from Utube and TV shows is that anyone can look like an expert at anything if their audience is captive and they have the ability to get it edited and pieced together all nice and pretty like. If I ever meet one of these "experts" in person and ask a specific question, IN PERSON, I'll know if they know WTH they're talking about. Until then I'll just keeping watching for entertainment purposes only.

You can get a lot of good ideas of things to learn from these shows, but you don't LEARN anything by watching them. They didn't teach me how to cook over fire, the fastest way to boil water, which fire or wood is better for which, how to set my tent on a frozen lake, sleep in it with no heat, and actually wake up in the morning. They sure haven't taught me how to trap, or even how to make a functional trap for that matter. They sure haven't taught me how to build a functional primitive shelter that will hold up to snow and rain and insulate the body from the elements. Dave didn't even teach me how to field dress a rabbit, he showed that it's easy to rip the skin off, even without a knife, but it can also be done even without a stick, you just rip it off with your bare hands, lol. But, there's a lot more to field dressing than simply removing the skin, that's the easiest part.

I like the shows and the characters, but that's it.

[rwc1969]

... I hear people talk about there military experience and while they learned some valuable things how much time did they spend fishing, building cabins, gardening in thier military service.... I know some things well, some not so well and some not at all. Because I may know one thing it does not stand that I know anything else. It is a mistake to give anybody so much credibilty that they become your authority on all things. .... I can't imagine how people can link thier self worth to a forum where nobody knows who they are. Who cares? There is a real life out there. ....

A frickin' men! IMO, too much credibility is given, and too many are too eager to follow. I see less and less original thought on most of the forums I visit, and in real life as well. It is a growing change in people's minds and it affects the way the behave. I blame pro sports. Everybody wants someone to look up to nowadays and fit in with.

Woodcraft, bushcraft, survival, wilderness living, off-grid living are all rapidly being diminished to simple catch phrases and the whole thing is just becoming a bit too trendy for my like. Cliques are forming, and it's becoming a "who do you like better, the werewolf character or the vampire dude?" LOL! The same thing goes for hunting and fishing, it's been diminished to no more than a round of golf. Blah!

I'm gonna go puke now!

[Sarge47]

Everybody learns from somebody, you're so right RWC, I've learned from the Boy Scouts. Interestingly enough, if you visit Cody's Web-site you can read in the Q & A section, that a lot of the stuff he & Dave taught wound up on the cutting room floor. However, he doesn't watch the shows as he's too busy with his students at his Survival School down in Arizona when not making episodes of Dual Survival.
http://www.codylundin.com/

[Sarge47]

I almost forgot, in the very 1st episode of Duel Survival Cody made that really cool survival shelter with a mylar blanket and a sheet of transparent plastic. That's right out of Mors Kochanski's book! :thumbup1: :cool2:

[FVR]

Ahhh...it's like anything. You can book learn as much as you want but you need to be able to apply it. Many of us have done survival of one type at one point in out lives. To brag to be some kind of expert is just masturbation of ones ego. We visit sites to pick up little things here and there. Some have more opportunities to use what we learn than others, that does not mean that the others views are of no value.

I am by no way some kind of survivalist who believes that I am better than others, my military training which is better than most but not as good as others is nothing to brag about. Military survival is a bit diff. than a survival situation back in BFE while on a joy ride. I don't put much care in those that come to sites like this and feel they are better or some kind of expert. If you are that good, good. We are all good at something and a site like this enables us to bring what we know and possibly spark a passion in others who may be interested.

I don't really come here much anymore and post. I lurk for a few seconds and then I'm off. That is off the computer as I have way to much on my plate to site and stare at this screen all the time. Tonight is diff, too much coffee and not really wanting to do anything. So I'm fletching a mess of arrows that I've made for my new bow.

I read that someone is having a SERE guy come help him. Well good for you. I know many who went to the school, some were bozo's when they went in and are still bozo's. I don't know why the school name was dropped. As you can see the coffee keeps me rambling. I've gone to my share of schools (SERE was not one of them, although I wanted to go) and what I've found out in the end, don't matter how much training you have, it matters on how much heart you have. If you have the will, you will do well. Unless you are a complete dumbass and I've met a few.

Since I've been here, I don't ever remember anyone giving too much credabiity to anyone and making them an authority on anything. We do howeve take their ideas or what they've done and modified, changed, and used it to our best ability. As far as the tv shows, don't watch them much. I may turn one on (except Bear) every now and then. I posted awhile back, I turned on Bear and he was doing something stupid and my 8 year old son asked why didn't he do it the easy way which was alot safer. LOL.

Ahh...these are just the comments of an aging Jarhead.

[Winter]

Silly me, I thought those shows were for entertainment. I have learned some things from the shows. I like seeing all the different shelter building types and techniques. This things provide me with food for thought which equates to options in the bush.

I treat forums like I treat the bush. Gather up the things I may need and use the info if and when the opportunity presents itself.

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

Well I'm going to say this and then get blasted I'm sure, anyway, here goes.

I like all of the shows, Even Bear(which I DON'T watch at all) if for no other reason than they teach people that may have no other venue whatsoever to learn these things. Just about EVERYONE here in the US has Cable TV. If they have ANY interest whatsoever in the outdoors, they might just watch these shows. Yeah we all learn from someone else. Johnny Cochran learned from some other Lawyer, Donald Trump learned from some other businessman, _________ learned from _________. But NOW they are famous in their respective fields. Good for them.

Case in point. I have ALWAYS wanted to make my own knife, I NEVER REALLY knew how, until the internet forays I made. No one EVER came to me personally and showed me even a single thing about making knives face to face. EVERYTHING I have learned about making a knife, I learned from Mass media on the internet. Now some was from Forums, other from youtube, etc., but it was available to anyone that wanted to look.

So now these shows are on what I NORMALLY refer to, as the idiot tube.:blush: Yet people that MAY be exposed to a survival situation but have had NO instruction whatsoever, now have SOME. I think we will all agree that some is better than none.

There is NOT a single TV show that doesn't have faults, even "Documentaries". National Geographic's "Realm of the alligator" has a man in a tree dropping snakes for an alligator to eat so that you, the viewer, can see that alligators DO in fact eat snakes. (I worked in the park where that particular segment was filmed. They actually ran out of snakes and had to go get more to get the "Right" shot) Yet the shots of Kent Vliet in the water with an alligator are real, no trick photography there!

Now back to the Survival shows.... Of them all Les is PROBABLY the most realistic. Yet I'm Sure that there are things that went into each show that are/were "Prefabricated". I'm sure he at least did map recons looking for the "Right" location. It's Not like he went to the airport, got on a chopper and said "OK take me somewhere and kick me out to survive". Just the fact that they go to different locations is great. I may be more than able to survive, maybe even thrive, in my own little neck of the woods. Yet if put in a different location I could very well die in short order, because of vast differences. What works HERE may not work THERE.

It is my opinion that there HAS to be some kind of "Draw" for the audience to watch these shows. For those of us that are naturally inclined to watch because of subject matter, nothing else is needed. Just TEACH US is ALL we are after. Yet for some kid or adult in, say for instance, the Big City, They may need something else....like "Drama". So the Producers have to figure out HOW to get others to watch. For them, it is "entertainment". Yet they actually learn something in the process. All I can say is...GREAT!! My wife Dottie is not really "Into" Survival or prepping. Yet she happens to like Dual Survival because of the interaction between Cody and Dave. The "Bonus" is, that she's learning whether she knows it or not.

Oh and these are "Survival shows" NOT "Homesteading shows". They are meant for short term only. They are NOT meant to go and live off the land indefinitely. Just to keep you alive until you can get back to civilization. So don't expect to see cabin building, planting a garden, or much in preserving food.

[Sarge47]

Well I'm going to say this and then get blasted I'm sure, anyway, here goes.

I like all of the shows, Even Bear(which I DON'T watch at all) if for no other reason than they teach people that may have no other venue whatsoever to learn these things. Just about EVERYONE here in the US has Cable TV. If they have ANY interest whatsoever in the outdoors, they might just watch these shows. Yeah we all learn from someone else. Johnny Cochran learned from some other Lawyer, Donald Trump learned from some other businessman, _________ learned from _________. But NOW they are famous in their respective fields. Good for them.

Case in point. I have ALWAYS wanted to make my own knife, I NEVER REALLY knew how, until the internet forays I made. No one EVER came to me personally and showed me even a single thing about making knives face to face. EVERYTHING I have learned about making a knife, I learned from Mass media on the internet. Now some was from Forums, other from youtube, etc., but it was available to anyone that wanted to look.

So now these shows are on what I NORMALLY refer to, as the idiot tube.:blush: Yet people that MAY be exposed to a survival situation but have had NO instruction whatsoever, now have SOME. I think we will all agree that some is better than none.

There is NOT a single TV show that doesn't have faults, even "Documentaries". National Geographic's "Realm of the alligator" has a man in a tree dropping snakes for an alligator to eat so that you, the viewer, can see that alligators DO in fact eat snakes. (I worked in the park where that particular segment was filmed. They actually ran out of snakes and had to go get more to get the "Right" shot) Yet the shots of Kent Vliet in the water with an alligator are real, no trick photography there!

Now back to the Survival shows.... Of them all Les is PROBABLY the most realistic. Yet I'm Sure that there are things that went into each show that are/were "Prefabricated". I'm sure he at least did map recons looking for the "Right" location. It's Not like he went to the airport, got on a chopper and said "OK take me somewhere and kick me out to survive". Just the fact that they go to different locations is great. I may be more than able to survive, maybe even thrive, in my own little neck of the woods. Yet if put in a different location I could very well die in short order, because of vast differences. What works HERE may not work THERE.

It is my opinion that there HAS to be some kind of "Draw" for the audience to watch these shows. For those of us that are naturally inclined to watch because of subject matter, nothing else is needed. Just TEACH US is ALL we are after. Yet for some kid or adult in, say for instance, the Big City, They may need something else....like "Drama". So the Producers have to figure out HOW to get others to watch. For them, it is "entertainment". Yet they actually learn something in the process. All I can say is...GREAT!! My wife Dottie is not really "Into" Survival or prepping. Yet she happens to like Dual Survival because of the interaction between Cody and Dave. The "Bonus" is, that she's learning whether she knows it or not.

Oh and these are "Survival shows" NOT "Homesteading shows". They are meant for short term only. They are NOT meant to go and live off the land indefinitely. Just to keep you alive until you can get back to civilization. So don't expect to see cabin building, planting a garden, or much in preserving food.
Good points all around! Watching somebody on TV showing you how to do something in the outdoors to save your life is really no different than, say, a Scoutmaster teaching a group of Scouts fire-building. It's just not live; face-to-face. It's like eating chicken, you suck off the meat & spit out the bones. You are also correct on the time factor, Poco, the teaching is for short-term survival only and many of the methods shown are "tried & true." AS far as Bear Grylls goes, well I can learn from anybody, even an idiot! :smartass: :creepy:

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

AS far as Bear Grylls goes, well I can learn from anybody, even an idiot! :smartass: :creepy: Especially what NOT to do!

[Aurelius95]

I am certainly no survival expert, or even a very good outdoosrman. But you should have seen the look on my son's face when he watched me start a fire with a firesteel and some cotton balls! Or the time we made some fire starter from dryer lint and paraffin. I wouldn't have learned those things without shows like Les Stroud, or Cody Lundin. Doesn't mean I think they are truly in a survival situation. But, I've learned some things. Even from Bear. Once, when he was in the mountains, he used a stick in the ground and marked the sun's shadow. Then marked it again 15 minutes later, and it gave him and east/west line. I didn't know that.

I took my son fishing a few years ago. Never knew how to gut/clean a trout. Took the fish home, looked it up on youtube, and learned how to do it. Now, it's not a problem for me. But without those resources, it would have been more difficult for me to learn.

Some of the stuff I have picked up may seem like a no-brainer to many of you. But it has helped me. I have enjoyed my time in the woods more. A few weeks ago I was camping with my son and some friends (and their kids). We took off to follow a stream to a waterfall. I ran back and grabbed my backpack, so we'd have a first aid kit, water, snacks, etc. There were many times when I would have just taken off without a care. Glad I never had to bear those consequences, though.

While some may say that it's not real, or they couldn't really survive, I am grateful for the entertainment as well as the information I pick up along the way.

[flatlander88]

I am certainly no survival expert, or even a very good outdoosrman. But you should have seen the look on my son's face when he watched me start a fire with a firesteel and some cotton balls! Or the time we made some fire starter from dryer lint and paraffin. I wouldn't have learned those things without shows like Les Stroud, or Cody Lundin. Doesn't mean I think they are truly in a survival situation. But, I've learned some things. Even from Bear. Once, when he was in the mountains, he used a stick in the ground and marked the sun's shadow. Then marked it again 15 minutes later, and it gave him and east/west line. I didn't know that.

I took my son fishing a few years ago. Never knew how to gut/clean a trout. Took the fish home, looked it up on youtube, and learned how to do it. Now, it's not a problem for me. But without those resources, it would have been more difficult for me to learn.

Some of the stuff I have picked up may seem like a no-brainer to many of you. But it has helped me. I have enjoyed my time in the woods more. A few weeks ago I was camping with my son and some friends (and their kids). We took off to follow a stream to a waterfall. I ran back and grabbed my backpack, so we'd have a first aid kit, water, snacks, etc. There were many times when I would have just taken off without a care. Glad I never had to bear those consequences, though.

While some may say that it's not real, or they couldn't really survive, I am grateful for the entertainment as well as the information I pick up along the way.

:thumbs_up:

[Rick]

You know, Aurelius, it doesn't matter how good or how not so good we are. We all learned from someone at some time along the way. Maybe the source of my knowledge is different than yours but if we arrive at the same destination then the road that took us there really doesn't matter. Good post.

[SARKY]

"I hear people talk about there military experience and while they learned some valuable things how much time did they spend fishing, building cabins, gardening in thier military service."

AS,
Well, let's see...... About 5 years as a SERE Instructor with the colateral duty of Facilities Maintenance for our 13,000 acre wilderness traing facility. If you get a chance, look up Reddington, Maine on the map. We had 4 cabins that we built and maintained. In the old town of Reddington we would put in a garden every spring for the advanced evasion class to raid. As to fishing, Reddington pond was our private fishing hole. So I guess I did a bit of that stuff.

[Aurelius95]

Thank you Rick. It is what it is. Off to tuck my boy into bed.

[Rick]

Ooh! Ooh! Will you read No T. Rex in the Library tonight? Plllleeeeeeeeease. Tess is my hero.

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