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rebel

01-29-2008, 10:35 PM

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hermitman

01-29-2008, 10:39 PM

I would say it's a bad idea because you can make spears out of wood and stone. To use ur knife is just risky when you don't have to.

canid

01-29-2008, 10:44 PM

yeah, it's not the best of ideas. i also tend to see that the way most 'experts' do it on entertainment oriented shows, it ends up looking like what as clumsy as a 5 year old would come up with.

i used to have a cheap neck knife made by compass that would be a good spear/harpoon point it was thick enough to be sturdy, had a full tang with scale grips that could be easily removed with a coin or even flattened tip of a stick and a 'gut hook' that would easily serve as a retaining barb.

if i where to need a steel tipped spear, as in defense against particularly dangerous pradators [in which case, the barb would not be ideal], i'd consider risking my knife, otherwise, i would just use the knife i had to make a workable with what ever other materials i could find and make.

Ole WV Coot

01-29-2008, 11:40 PM

Use the knife to make a spear. Common sense should tell you never throw away your only weapon and the most important tool you may have.

Rick

01-30-2008, 08:56 AM

I'm with Coot. I've whittled up many a spear point and never used my knife for a point once.

Boker

01-30-2008, 10:00 AM

I have several old cheap lock back folding pocket knives, as I'm sure most folks do. I often wondered about grinding one sharp, take the blade out and just putting the blade in a B.O.B. for use as an emergeny spear tip. Would weigh close to nothing and take up minimum room.

trax

01-30-2008, 01:48 PM

Know what's really good on spear points? A couple of barbs,(oh I know, but we're talking about survival here) hard to make with a knife blade. I think someone's just as well off to chip/flake spear points out of stone

carcajou garou

01-30-2008, 02:37 PM

Try using/carrying a throwing knife and using that as a "spear" tip. They are designed to be thrown, and less brittle than the regular knives, plus they keep your good knife for the cutting tasks.

Assassin Pilot

01-30-2008, 04:42 PM

Who needs spears? That's old-school, now everyone uses dynamite or sodium :D

trax

01-30-2008, 04:53 PM

You know how to use dynamite AP? I know a few guys with just the one hand left or one remaining eyeball who thought they did. I know a few who are fertilizer now who thought they did too. If you're ever out in the bush with next to nothing, a spear can be pretty handy. Mankind's been surviving using spears for a lot more centuries than dynamite's ever been around.

Smok

01-30-2008, 11:53 PM

Why not just use the Cold Steel Bushman , not a bad knife and it makes a good spear as the handle is hollow and made for it . about $20. I keep one for that and so if someone is with me that does not have a knife they get that one and not my good knife . I am aways amazed at how many people do not carry a knife

Kemperor

01-31-2008, 01:21 AM

I'm with Smok on that one. It allegedly can withstand a full ton of pressure on the blade/handle transition. Another good'n is the Condor Pipe Knife. I'm also going to have to side with Coot, Rick, and Trax. A wooden spear will do great in a pinch, a stone spear head will do even better. Whatever is readily available and properly functional for the job is what should be used, but never your main tool.

sh4d0wm4573ri7

01-31-2008, 05:32 AM

I for one would never use my knife for that there are far to many alternatives .

LarryB

02-02-2008, 11:28 AM

Hey there boys! I'd have to go along with Rebel on the knife/spear thing debate.:) Fish spears only work well if there are barbs involved. Knives don't have the barbs. Regular spear? For what, stabbing bears, wolves, racoons, porkys and such? I believe a fast moving knife can cut more and more often than a spear in the same amount of time. Simple Math.:) As soon as a knife leaves my case and is not in my hand, I have already lost real control of it. My knife is INDEED, the only object I really, really would not like being without. I will NOT be throwing it at anything and probably won't use it for a hammer or pry bar either, unless the job only needs a lighter application of cross-tool work!

Just my Canadian 2 cents worth here boys, which I think will probably turn into 5 cents this year, what with the price of ALL metals risin' so rapidly. and all...;)

Cheers!

lb

Kemperor

02-04-2008, 04:03 PM

It's better to keep your knife and make a spear and stab the attacking animal repeatedly from a distance than to get right up in its face in a knife fight, especially if it's a bear. Therefore also saving the chance of losing the knife.

Kemperor

02-04-2008, 04:03 PM

Simple logic :)

Rick

02-04-2008, 04:11 PM

Well, spears don't have to have barbs if you are in shallow water. Pin them to the bottom. And I'm with Kemperor. I'd much rather have a long piece of stick between me and Rambo squirrel than a short knife. Rabbits seem to have a healthy respect for long spears and will back right down when confronted with one...a well made one anyway. I've seen the larger ones press on with an attack when guys had poorly made spears. Just one more reason to make quality items in the bush.

nell67

02-04-2008, 04:12 PM

LMAO! Bad azz rabbit!

Rick

02-04-2008, 04:19 PM

Like I'm gonna take on a grizzly with a knife or a spear or a club. I would certainly try a diplomatic approach before a military one. Bears seem to be reasonable most of the time. Try to entertain them with a magic trick. A vanishing act would certainly appease them for a short time. Them make like the roadrunner. Beep, beep...................................@

Kemperor

02-04-2008, 08:48 PM

Well, if I had no other choice but to fight it, I'd want the spear. Diplomacy is always good, but some of them bears are jihadist. both the spear and the knife would most likely be knocked out of your hands, though. That's why I'm glad that make canned salmon, just pop one open and throw it, then go the other way.

Rick

02-04-2008, 08:49 PM

Ah, but if you practice really hard then your vanishing act should be enough.

NY MtnMan72

02-04-2008, 11:05 PM

Scenario- you go through the trouble of taking your shoe-laces out, lashing your only survival knife to a pole- find a deer or something and heave the spear at it. Deer runs off with your "spear" sticking out of it, or it goes off a cliff, into a stream etc etc... :mad:

Now not only do you not have a knife- but you gotta walk around with one shoe flopping around with no laces.....:o

I have made some pretty damn sharp "spears" out of a young maple (or insert other hardwood) sapling. Not going to hold a sharp point for long- but definitely good for one throw- and you can use your KNIFE to re-sharpen it etc...

Simple to me- another Man vs Wild BS myth.... just like i would climb a 150' tall tree to get a better look, or jump off a cliff down into a stream without knowing the depth of water/rocks etc....

Smok

02-04-2008, 11:34 PM

I keep my knife with me but a all so have a Cold Steel Bushman that makes a good spear . And do not laugh the Jack Alope can get amity Big around here . I am not going to even talk about way a jack rabbit would need horns lattes just say the Wolfe's here are just not right and talk about BIG wings . :eek: Airrel attacks that's why the horns didn't you know ! So some of you my go out there with out a spear but not me it just makes me fill better , laugh but I now what I have seen . O K why would I go in to a valley like that ?? Will I did say thing were big in there, so are the fish :D Remember this is Big Foot Country

NY MtnMan72

02-05-2008, 03:52 AM

Yea u need a mighty big spear to fend off the Sasquatch....:D

skully

02-05-2008, 06:43 AM

i would say only exceptiional if you either have to absoloutly resort to it or if you have more than one knife. In other cases such as you just wanna see what it looks like yeah just dont use a good one

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