OK, "Short action" Best centerfire cartridge.....?????

[Sourdough]

NO "Standard action" cartridges, and NO long Action cartridges. (Please No fighting) But what is your choice of the single best "Short Action" Cartridge........????

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Well I shot my ole .22 German made junk .22 revolver tonight...Testing it for the gator hunt. I dissassembled cleaned blued and painted it last night. I am very happy after weldng, grinding, and making my own leaf springs for it. Playing with some glow sights now. Oops...missed the centerfire requirement.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

7mm-08......

[EdD270]

7mm-08 is very good, I like the .243 also.

[aflineman]

7mm-08, .243, .308 Really depends upon what I am doing with it.

[Sourdough]

Two of my favorites are .257 Bob & 7X57 (OK & the .284 Winchester). The truth is I just love the short action cartridges.

[hunter63]

.300 WSSM,..... For when something really needs to die.....Way over there.

[Pal334]

I vote for the 308

[aflineman]

Two of my favorites are .257 Bob & 7X57 (OK & the .284 Winchester). The truth is I just love the short action cartridges.

I really like the .284. Really, really HATE the Winchester 100 (my very first hunting rifle).

[Camp10]

Two of my favorites are .257 Bob & 7X57 (OK & the .284 Winchester). The truth is I just love the short action cartridges.

The 257 Roberts is a great round, so is the 6mm Rem but my favorite is still the plain old 308.

[2dumb2kwit]

Is 7.62 x 54R short action?:tongue_smilie:

How about 7.5 x 55 Swiss?:innocent:

[crashdive123]

I guess I'll show my lack of knowledge when it comes to firearms......what are the main differences and the advantages/disadvantages of each (excluding length of course).

[Survival Guy 10]

i would love to have a long action 308 built

[Sourdough]

I guess I'll show my lack of knowledge when it comes to firearms......what are the main differences and the advantages/disadvantages of each (excluding length of course).

Not sure what your asking........Hopefully the difference in short action, Standard action, or Long action. As this would be answerable. To answer what is the difference in the cartridges, would require several 2" thick books.

[kyratshooter]

Things get muddy with action/cartridge length. 7x57 mauser is considered a short action round and is as long as a 30-06 which is a long action round by all counts.

It used to be detirmined by action diameter, espically with the Mauser. They had 3 action sizes:

magnum= .300 H&H, .375 H&H length rifles.

Large ring= 8mm, 06 length rounds

small ring= 7x57, 6.5 swiss, .257 Roberts

The difference in the ring sizes of the receiver gave about a pound of weight saving between sizes of the barreled actions.



Winchester and Remington decided to call them magnum, long and short.

magnum actions=.300, .338, 7mm mag

Long actions= 30-06 size

Short action= .308, .243, .223

Then Sako and Ruger come out with a super shorty chambered in 7.62x39, .44mag, .223

In addition there are no rules between mfgs. Some put everything on a long action, like Savage. Some offer one cartridge as short action and another company will offer the same cartridge in what they call a medium action.

What really gets to you is when you order a gun in a cartridge that you thought would be a short/medium action and they send it in a long action that is 1/2" longer and weighs a pound more.

Advantages/disadvantages;
An action properly sized for the cartridge will feed more reliably. There will be less shifting of rounds in the magazine. There will be no unnecessary bolt travel. Weight will be less as well as length.

[crashdive123]

Not sure what your asking........Hopefully the difference in short action, Standard action, or Long action. As this would be answerable. To answer what is the difference in the cartridges, would require several 2" thick books.

Yes - this is exactly what I'm asking.

[hunter63]

That's probably the best expansion I have ever heard...generally you only hear part of it and still end up wondering.
Thanks.

[glockcop]

Not much your average hunter in North America can't do with a .308. A 7mm-08 is probably one of the most balanced cartriages ever created and flat out kills with the best of them. Truth is either is near perfect for all but the largest of game IMO. I've hunted with a few .308's over the years and never wanted or needed "more" gun. They did exactly what was expected.....Kill deer and hogs cleanly and efficiently. I love my 30-06 but if I had to replace it, One of these two chamberings could very likely claim the role.

[glockcop]

I guess I'll show my lack of knowledge when it comes to firearms......what are the main differences and the advantages/disadvantages of each (excluding length of course).

Kyratshooter explained things well but left out an important point. A short action is in theory more accurate than a long action becuase there is less "deviation/oscillation" of the action upon discharging the weapon. Long explantion made short is that a short action is "stiffer" than a long action. Less movement = more accurate (IN THEORY). Only the world's best shooters, shooting the worlds most accurate rifles could ever see even a miniscule difference in reality.

[Sourdough]

Things get muddy with action/cartridge length.

Very good explanation, more gooooder that I would have done. Rep point sent.

[crashdive123]

Thank you Kratshooter, Glockcop and Sourdough.

[kyratshooter]

As for the rest of the story,

I am not touching cartridge selection with a 10 foot pole.

Only thing I will say is that I have hunted with long, medium and short actions in long, medium, short and magnum cartridges and guess what?

I can remember very few bad ones!

Now there was that 5 pound .308 on the 95 Mauser action that put the scar over my right eyebrow, but I wear it with pride. It's a shooters version of a tatoo.

[SARKY]

Kyratshooter, I don't know about the Sako but my 7.62x39 Ruger AllWeather is on a short action not a super short action. If I take out the magazine insert, I can put .308s in the magazine.
Now my favorites in a short action.....308, 7-08 and the .260.

[Beans]

AS a reloader I have always chosen the .308. Bullet weights can range from 90 grain to 200 grains. I can tailor the round to what ever I want to shoot.

I have no desire to shoot the larger game animals of Alaska or Africa or the tigers of India.

[Highhawk1948]

can't go wrong with the 308

[kyratshooter]

can't go wrong with the 308

or the .284 or the 7x57 or the .243 or the .257 Roberts or any other of the short calibers for mid to smallish game.

They are all good, some are just better known than others.

[oldtrap59]

308 does all I ask of it. Must mean it's my favorite

Oldtrap

[Woodmaster750]

My yugo 8MM, 8X57 .323. Good shooter. 2nd. 308 win.

[tsitenha]

I have a Rem 700 ADL in .308, works for me as a centre fire.

[aflineman]

I am really liking the 7mm-08 BLR that I have been trying out lately. Don't know if it will replace my BAR 30-06 or my 30-30 over 20ga for deer, but it may come close. EASY round to reload for, and just so accurate.

[randyt]

For a handy short action caliber I like the 22 k hornet.

[kyratshooter]

For a handy short action caliber I like the 22 k hornet.

That is one of the offers Ruger has on their super short action, along with .44 mag, .357.

[Bushman]

.308 Chinwester................

shot off a few hundred thousand of these courtesy of the Australian Army, currently own only one of these, a Savage Scout...........but it does everything a man can ask in Australia, ammo is dirt cheap, and damn near every small country Hardware Store has a packet or three sitting on the shelves.........(try that with some of the 'exotics'!)

[jgcoastie]

Ok, I'll be different....

Cartridge: .260 Remington
Gun: Kimber 84M Classic Select Grade

The .260 Rem is a handloader's wet dream. You can literally do anything with this round, with the exception of a very few species outside the Lower 48.

[randyt]

That is one of the offers Ruger has on their super short action, along with .44 mag, .357.

That's nifty, I'll check into it. I have a savage 219 single shot break action that is reamed out from a hornet to a k hornet. I had a SMLE that was converted to 22 hornet, certainly not a short action though.

[kyratshooter]

That's nifty, I'll check into it. I have a savage 219 single shot break action that is reamed out from a hornet to a k hornet. I had a SMLE that was converted to 22 hornet, certainly not a short action though.



http://www.ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine/index.html

[SARKY]

Two chamberings I'd like to see in those super short Ruger actions, .22 Superjet (.357Mag necked down to .223) and the .357 B&D ( the .44 Mag necked down to .357)

[Shalako]

Depends on what its to b e used for.

[Bladeforger]

.45 Colt qualifies as short-action and as centerfire. Loaded hot out of a stout lever action, it'll harvest whatever you want. Lever action rifles don't scare people as much as our beloved AR rifles.

.45/70 is also "short action" and you'll be hard pressed to find a more versatile cartridge; however, you'll also probably end up with either a lever action or a single shot. If that ain't your cup of tea, then...

.308 is pretty hard to beat overall. 30 caliber loadings have been worked up to a state of perfection.

(Okay, no one mentioned .30/30, but it's short action, too, available every so often in one bolt gun or another, and still very available in lever. It's nothing really special in that there are a lot of other cartridges with better ballistics and more velocity; however, you can find ammo for a .30/30 in almost any sporting goods store.)

If I had to have one rifle to take on a dead run, it would be a hard choice between one of the .22s and the 92 in .45 Colt. Especially if I can carry a selection of my own handloads.

[shiftyer1]

Ok so judgeing from kyratshooters post #15 and my interpretation of it, the difference between long, short and medium actions is how big around the reciever is and not the length at all? Not trying to be a smart *** by any means, just trying to get a handle on it.

[kyratshooter]

Ok so judgeing from kyratshooters post #15 and my interpretation of it, the difference between long, short and medium actions is how big around the reciever is and not the length at all? Not trying to be a smart *** by any means, just trying to get a handle on it.

Small ring/large ring/magnum were only the way Mauser seperated them. Like I said in that post, there are no rules and each mfg labels them as they wish. Therefore there is really no getting a handle on the situation. Just make sure the specs on the rifle you buy are what you expected when you got the crave going for a specific cartridge.

The cartridges are easier to seperate than the guns, most of the time.

[Bushman]

couple of 'oldies but goodies' already mentioned here........

45-70 and 30-30

both classify as 'short rounds/short actions'..........

and both rounds have tipped over a poultice of game animals...........plus the odd 'bad guy'.....

However, by all accounts and 'common sense', neither round should still be selling at all.........

but they are!! "Why is it so??" (as Julius Sumner Miller used to ask) Well probably because Winchester made over 6 million Model 94's in 30-30, and Marlin has made almost as many......... so call it 10,000,000 and thats one helluva reason to keep making ammo for a given calibre !!

The 45-70 was the first US Military centrefire cartridge and despite its so-called 'weak ballistics' mysteriously kills way out of proportion to the figures on paper.....

I like the little 30-30 Trapper just about more than any other gun in my cabinet...its my 'go-to' centrefire........holds 6 rounds of 170 grain Corelokts and does the job well enough out to about 200 yards with iron sights. Ergonomically its about 'perfect'.....and I just wish more rifle makers would follow suit !! I can get my arthritic mitt around the action easily............the point of balance is just forward of the trigger guard as evidenced by all the bluing being worn off on the receiver.

Most bolt action rifles are too damn fat around this area and don't make for easy carrying at all. The trend towards 'sniper' type rifles with big fat grips and large capacity magazines and fat forends, does nothing at all to enhance the 'carryability' of any rifle.
And if you're 'serious' about rifles, the piece ought to be in your hand at ALL times (and nowhere else , unless of course you have to climb up or down a very steep slope) So if the rifle is NOT comfortable to carry, you probably WON'T !

Marlin & Hornady have joined forces to produce a lever action equivalent to similar centrefire/bolt action rounds with Hornadys polymer tipped rounds making them safe to load into tube magazines. Now if someone would just produce a stronger front locking lever action/tube feed carbine I'd be a happy man !! (I've used the BLR's and don't likeem..............the action with a detachable box mag is just too DEEP to carry one handed.......... its ALL ergonomics I tell ya !! :)

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