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Sourdough

06-09-2011, 08:51 PM

I have been thinking of ordering this grip. Anyone have any experience with vertical grips.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/troy-modular-combat-grip.html

crashdive123

06-09-2011, 09:12 PM

I have one on my M&P 15T. I prefer the control it gives me. The fact that I can fit a few spare batteries inside it is a bonus.

crashdive123

06-09-2011, 09:12 PM

Mine is a different brand. I can't change the lengths on it like on the Troy, but I also like that I can fold it up.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Weapons/MP15004.jpg

Sourdough

06-09-2011, 09:25 PM

Thanks Crash.......A related question for the cops & Class 3 weapons people. Can I put a vertical grip on a handgun or does that trigger the need for a $200.00 BATF&E tax stamp...??

doug1980

06-09-2011, 11:03 PM

I have one on that 15-22 you shot. I really like it. I have a compression switch on mine for a tach light. Not that I really need one but they look cool. :)

Winter

06-09-2011, 11:37 PM

SD, I have one and I don't know how to use the damn thing. I can mail it to you to check out.

Pal334

06-10-2011, 07:38 AM

I tried using this type on an M4 (the short M-16). It always seemed to get in the way. Maybe I am just an old fart, but I never could get used to it. On the other hand it seems to be very popular with some folks. Just for my money though, is a no go

glockcop

06-10-2011, 09:44 PM

it's meant for control with a "short stock" and close up work. Obviously this ain't meant for the bench. It gives superior control in CQC. That's why they make them quick detachable. A definate plus when you have to clear room to room and engage targets at bad breath distance. I also find it to be an aid in weapons retention techniques.

Winter

06-10-2011, 10:52 PM

Doesn't it make a large spot for your adversary to grab if you release the forward grip to grab a new magazine or knife in CQB?

I'm trying to line someone up to show me the new rifle shooting stance. It's different. Almost everyone who is not currently in a combat arms job in the mil shoots the old way.

Maybe it's best that old dogs stick with what they know.

Pal334

06-11-2011, 04:48 AM

To me , is just one more thing hanging off the weapon. As Winter says, "Maybe it's best that old dogs stick with what they know". Seems to encourage a "spray and pray mentality". I found that keeping ones hand gripping the barrel /forend of the weapon gave me much more control over the weapon. Trying to control the weapon when someone was trying to rassle it from you by gripping this type of handle seemed to be alot of work.

kyratshooter

06-11-2011, 11:39 AM

This situation was addressed almost 70 years ago when the Army eliminated the vertical grip from the Thompson and the Brits moved the magazine to the side of the Sten.

It don't matter.

ccmedic

06-11-2011, 12:29 PM

I find that new users of foregrips have a tendency of pulling down on it to compensate for the recoil and end up shooting low as a result. It is also just one extra thing to catch on things especially in Close quarter combat. I actually use the magazine to grip plus the way that I lay my hand across it gives me great access to the magazine release which speeds up my reloading. Hopefully this helps some.

Sourdough

06-11-2011, 12:39 PM

Is it a class III if I mount one on my G-24.........?

glockcop

06-11-2011, 01:49 PM

"Doesn't it make a large spot for your adversary to grab if you release the forward grip to grab a new magazine or knife in CQB?"

It also give you a large spot to hold on to to pull your weapon free and it's great for use in dragging your opponent down with a hand /wrist lock on it. You must use proper technique but when done correctly, it is very effective. Sort of like using the handle of your PR24.

"I find that new users of foregrips have a tendency of pulling down on it to compensate for the recoil and end up shooting low as a result."

I agree. It should not be use to hold the weapon down but to pull the weapon BACK into the hollow of the shoulder. Easy to master with a little practice.

"This situation was addressed almost 70 years ago when the Army eliminated the vertical grip from the Thompson"

This was a cost saving/ease of manufacture measure above all.

"Trying to control the weapon when someone was trying to rassle it from you by gripping this type of handle seemed to be alot of work."

It all comes down to training and the proper use of technique. It's something else to learn and practice with for proficiency but the control benefits are well worth it in the long run.

"Seems to encourage a "spray and pray mentality". "

I don't quite understand this one. Huge magazine capacities are the main encouragement of spray and pray.

It's this easy, It is a good accessory if you are willing and able to learn and practice the technniques that come with it. If you are unwilling, unable, or too set in your ways to give it the attention it deserves, well, leave it off your rifle. It ain't for everyone but those that commit will have benefits IMO. They are not expensive and allow quick detachment so what do you have to loose by trying it out in training? You may find out that you are one of the many that it helps control the weapon. Maybe not. Got to try it to find out.

kyratshooter

06-11-2011, 07:21 PM

I love your logic GC!

If you like it it has to be good.

If we don't like it, we are doing it wrong.

crashdive123

06-11-2011, 07:51 PM

Don't be silly. It has to be good because everybody saw that I liked it.:innocent:

Winter

06-12-2011, 12:35 AM

I love your logic GC!

If you like it it has to be good.

If we don't like it, we are doing it wrong.

Sarcasm is not my thing on technical forums.

Suffice to say, I learned to shoot by shooting, then Ft Benning ruined it. "If you are comfortable, you're doing it wrong" bull**** is not what makes a marksman.

I intend to learn another way. If it works ;fine. If not; goobly goo.

It definately works in combat with the new warriors,

glockcop

06-12-2011, 12:49 PM

I love your logic GC!

If you like it it has to be good.

If we don't like it, we are doing it wrong.

Hey brother, I love my logic too. See, we have something in common. I never said anyone was doing it ''wrong''. I said "it ain't for everyone". Further, you may want to carefully reread the last paragraph of my post for a refresher. I said ''IMO'' it was a benefit. After I corrected your misinformation about Thompson foregrips during WW11, you apparently took offense. Sorry about that. I'm just a stickler for historical accuracy. I'm sure being a retired history professor and all, you can relate. And you are right about one thing, ''If I like it, it has to be good'' but MAY NOT BE FOR EVERYONE. I thought I made that crystal clear.

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