Friday Evening Hot Water Heater SNAFU!

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Well I came home to a leaky hotwater heater. It looks like there is a seep at the weld bung for the pressure relief valve. No it isn't the valve itself. I am kicking myself now I had a 30 yr. old water heater at the old place that never gave me any problems this unit might be 5 yrs. old. I am not seeing any chance of a simple repair. This is a first for me. So I am asking for the voice of experience. Most of you know I weld is it repairable before I head off to lowes or sears. Looks like lowes sells whirlpool? Not sure I want a whirlpool based on the web reviews. Sears Kenmore had better reviews. The current unit is a Rheem. Any advice is welcome! There goes the weekend! No damage to walls or floors yet!

[randyt]

the only advise I have is to install a emergency drain pan along with the new wth.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

On further inspection it looks like it is a 1996 unit. So I am thinking welding would be fruitless as the tank will just fail again. Looks like I am off to the city. Perhaps I'll have a new BBQ.......

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

the only advise I have is to install a emergency drain pan along with the new wth.

Absolutely!

[hunter63]

Most water heater tanks are glass lined....Welding is not really an option.
Replacement is usually the easiest and cost efficient.

BTW when looking at new ones, the major different between the $200 vs $500 units is warranty length...Units are pretty much the same, type for type.

[rebel]

Sorry for the added expense. They never come at a good time.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Well I am draining her now. Got a new Rheem 40 gallon to replace the 14 yr. old rheem 50 gallon....50 was out of stock and I figure demand isn't that high with 3 people in the home. Also hoping you can heat 40 a little more efficiently than 50...we'll see about that. Snoby nosed girl at the counter rang up the wrong one so I got it for the price of the cheaper model when I corrected her after she ignored my description of what I was purchasing...saved 5 bucks! @ $285. I also noted the pressure drop was causing the well pump to kick on more frequent than normal so that should be taken care of as well. Now should I make a smoker or a grill....leaning towards the smoker. Anyone had any experience doing so? Yes I did get the drain pan and fittings to exit the floor. So overall looking good if I don't blow the installation.....

[hunter63]

The hard part is to get it drained, and moved.

If y'all are gonna try a smoker, check the lable to see if it is glass lined....Might me a PITA to cut up.

[rebel]

Here's a site where a guy made a smoker that had a ceramic lining:http://www.phpbbserver.com/smokinjim/viewtopic.php?t=3512&mforum=smokinjim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJpYVBaTFN0]

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Got it in....Newton is still applicable though the incoming water copper flex gave way on refilling....Sent the old lady back to the store and I'll be cuttin' grass awaiting her return. Told her to get a spare as well...One thing about it I'll have a spare flex and 3 spare elements....Then there was this really nice Arkansas stone I passed up on the first trip....she'll be gettin' that too!

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Here's a site where a guy made a smoker that had a ceramic lining:http://www.phpbbserver.com/smokinjim/viewtopic.php?t=3512&mforum=smokinjim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJpYVBaTFN0]

Thanks Rebel! for the links...I still have the bathtubs grill on the back burner...I think I am leaning towards keeping the water heater upright for my smoker and the tubs for the grill....I'll keep you posted when I get to it!

[crashdive123]

Since you already made the forge, I'd go with either a vertical smoker or a wood stove for your new shop.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

The new pipe is stainless braided rubber...I like it! No leaks and HOT water! Got it done and just cut the first of the veggies from the garden, Grey Squash! 2 fruits make a nice large glassware dish..Yum! Yep, going to be a 56" vertical smoker!

[rebel]

check out this smoker: http://www.etowahironworks.com/how_to_build_a_smoker_etowah_style

[kyratshooter]

Concerning you brand?

I think they are all made in the same plant and just get a different name plate.

That was the way it was back in the ancient days when I worked for Lowes. We used to get a real kick out of folks insisting on GE or Whirlpool or refusing an off brand at half the price. They all came on the same truck from the same factory in Johnson City, TN.

[randyt]

Johnson city, tenn. Spent a lot of time near there. That would be morflow water heaters, now it's american water heaters.

[shooter_250]

Why are you heating HOT water....sorry my old 1stSgt must have come through for a minute there...

Lee

[canid]

he must mean a cold water heater. no? how about a hot water cooler?

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Concerning you brand?

I think they are all made in the same plant and just get a different name plate.

That was the way it was back in the ancient days when I worked for Lowes. We used to get a real kick out of folks insisting on GE or Whirlpool or refusing an off brand at half the price. They all came on the same truck from the same factory in Johnson City, TN.

Most of what I looked at was made in Mexico....just sayin'!

[hunter63]

Why are you heating HOT water....sorry my old 1stSgt must have come through for a minute there...

Lee

LOL, I guess I just gave up correcting people,.......... "Why would you heat Hot water? It's a Water heater".
And they just say "What?"

Like I said, the difference between a 3 yr warranty and 8 yr warranty is about $300 bucks for the same machine.

Flex hoses, and compression fitting have made this a super simple job.........

Congrats on the Arkansas, good example of a "How can I make this desaster work for me?"

[your_comforting_company]

vertical smoker gets my vote. Sorry for the unexpected expense. Not sure why they cost so dang much.. mine has no glass lining or anything.. just a thermostat, two elements, and some insulation. That's gotta be less than $50 worth of material...

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

vertical smoker gets my vote. Sorry for the unexpected expense. Not sure why they cost so dang much.. mine has no glass lining or anything.. just a thermostat, two elements, and some insulation. That's gotta be less than $50 worth of material...

Vertical smoker it is...added to the project list.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Have you considered sodering it?

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

I got started on the smoker. Still designing in my head, not sure if I want to go vertical or horizontal but still leaning towards vertical. Here is the beginning of the build.. I saved the elements, valves, and thermostats so I have a back for everything but the tank on the new unit. Disassembly also proved I had to buy one, I'll get pics of where it failed for ya'll later on.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af330/COWBOYSURVIVAL/DSCN3309.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af330/COWBOYSURVIVAL/DSCN3318.jpg

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

I got a little more done on the vertical smoker... I was pleased with what I found when I opened her up.... I have yet another way to cook my meat on the way....

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af330/COWBOYSURVIVAL/DSCN3321.jpg

Looks familiar to some of you....

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The glass liner is instead of a pita...more of an excellent inner coat for my vertical smoker. It is work and I guess that is the reason it isn't done more. This is going to be a great project....stay tuned!!!

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af330/COWBOYSURVIVAL/DSCN3365.jpg

I got a little more done on the smoker this evening.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af330/COWBOYSURVIVAL/DSCN3352.jpg

I left the corners uncut untill I was finished cutting the door...

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[canid]

now that's looking good!

[rwc1969]

Does that stuff cut pretty easy? That's a good tip on leaving the corners uncut. Thanks!

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Thanks guys! It cuts alot easier than the 1095 I use for knives. You do not even notice the liner when cutting. The liner isn't chipping either. The real work was in getting the tank out of the insulated shell.

[crashdive123]

I like the progress.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

If anyone has any "good" ideas they would like to contribute to the build, love to hear them.

[hunter63]

Looking good so far.......

[crashdive123]

Just a thought - you can decide if it is a good one or not .... weld tabs at varying heights on the inside so that you can easily raise or lower racks, drip pan and water pan.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Just a thought - you can decide if it is a good one or not .... weld tabs at varying heights on the inside so that you can easily raise or lower racks, drip pan and water pan.

Crash that is the plan. I was planning to use (3) of the ceramic coated grill tops sold at Lowes. Probably an old skillet for the drip pan. I have ideas like using stainless forks/spoons for latches or handles. I have a good bit of stainless on hand. Yes, I can weld dissimilar metals in a non-structural application. The door hinge will be stainless and I have a stainless laser cut tazmanian devil cutout for decoration. Considering doing some forged items too. I guess I am just not sure about the design of the firebox. I have ideas just haven't got it exactly worked out yet. I even considered a brick or stone fire pit..Just brainstorming ideas with you guys! Thanks!

By the way it is 16" diameter.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Started on the door....

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heavydutymetalcutting (http://heavydutymetalcutting.ru)jacketedwall (http://jacketedwall.ru)japanesecedar (http://japanesecedar.ru)jibtypecrane (http://jibtypecrane.ru)jobabandonment (http://jobabandonment.ru)jobstress (http://jobstress.ru)jogformation (http://jogformation.ru)jointcapsule (http://jointcapsule.ru)jointsealingmaterial (http://jointsealingmaterial.ru)journallubricator (http://journallubricator.ru)juicecatcher (http://juicecatcher.ru)junctionofchannels (http://junctionofchannels.ru)justiciablehomicide (http://justiciablehomicide.ru)juxtapositiontwin (http://juxtapositiontwin.ru)kaposidisease (http://kaposidisease.ru)
keepagoodoffing (http://keepagoodoffing.ru)keepsmthinhand (http://keepsmthinhand.ru)kentishglory (http://kentishglory.ru)kerbweight (http://kerbweight.ru)kerrrotation (http://kerrrotation.ru)keymanassurance (http://keymanassurance.ru)keyserum (http://keyserum.ru)kickplate (http://kickplate.ru)killthefattedcalf (http://killthefattedcalf.ru)kilowattsecond (http://kilowattsecond.ru)kingweakfish (http://kingweakfish.ru)kinozones (http://kinozones.ru)kleinbottle (http://kleinbottle.ru)kneejoint (http://kneejoint.ru)knifesethouse (http://knifesethouse.ru)
knockonatom (http://knockonatom.ru)knowledgestate (http://knowledgestate.ru)kondoferromagnet (http://kondoferromagnet.ru)labeledgraph (http://labeledgraph.ru)laborracket (http://laborracket.ru)labourearnings (http://labourearnings.ru)labourleasing (http://labourleasing.ru)laburnumtree (http://laburnumtree.ru)lacingcourse (http://lacingcourse.ru)lacrimalpoint (http://lacrimalpoint.ru)lactogenicfactor (http://lactogenicfactor.ru)lacunarycoefficient (http://lacunarycoefficient.ru)ladletreatediron (http://ladletreatediron.ru)laggingload (http://laggingload.ru)laissezaller (http://laissezaller.ru)
lambdatransition (http://lambdatransition.ru)laminatedmaterial (http://laminatedmaterial.ru)lammasshoot (http://lammasshoot.ru)lamphouse (http://lamphouse.ru)lancecorporal (http://lancecorporal.ru)lancingdie (http://lancingdie.ru)landingdoor (http://landingdoor.ru)landmarksensor (http://landmarksensor.ru)landreform (http://landreform.ru)landuseratio (http://landuseratio.ru)languagelaboratory (http://languagelaboratory.ru)largeheart (http://largeheart.ru)lasercalibration (http://lasercalibration.ru)laserlens (http://laserlens.ru)laserpulse (http://laserpulse.ru)

[yellowcab]

laterevent (http://laterevent.ru)latrinesergeant (http://latrinesergeant.ru)layabout (http://layabout.ru)leadcoating (http://leadcoating.ru)leadingfirm (http://leadingfirm.ru)learningcurve (http://learningcurve.ru)leaveword (http://leaveword.ru)machinesensible (http://machinesensible.ru)magneticequator (http://magneticequator.ru)magnetotelluricfield (http://magnetotelluricfield.ru)mailinghouse (http://mailinghouse.ru)majorconcern (http://majorconcern.ru)mammasdarling (http://mammasdarling.ru)managerialstaff (http://managerialstaff.ru)manipulatinghand (http://manipulatinghand.ru)
manualchoke (http://manualchoke.ru)medinfobooks (http://medinfobooks.ru)mp3lists (http://mp3lists.ru)nameresolution (http://nameresolution.ru)naphtheneseries (http://naphtheneseries.ru)narrowmouthed (http://narrowmouthed.ru)nationalcensus (http://nationalcensus.ru)naturalfunctor (http://naturalfunctor.ru)navelseed (http://navelseed.ru)neatplaster (http://neatplaster.ru)necroticcaries (http://necroticcaries.ru)negativefibration (http://negativefibration.ru)neighbouringrights (http://neighbouringrights.ru)objectmodule (http://objectmodule.ru)observationballoon (http://observationballoon.ru)
obstructivepatent (http://obstructivepatent.ru)oceanmining (http://oceanmining.ru)octupolephonon (http://octupolephonon.ru)offlinesystem (http://offlinesystem.ru)offsetholder (http://offsetholder.ru)olibanumresinoid (http://olibanumresinoid.ru)onesticket (http://onesticket.ru)packedspheres (http://packedspheres.ru)pagingterminal (http://pagingterminal.ru)palatinebones (http://palatinebones.ru)palmberry (http://palmberry.ru)papercoating (http://papercoating.ru)paraconvexgroup (http://paraconvexgroup.ru)parasolmonoplane (http://parasolmonoplane.ru)parkingbrake (http://parkingbrake.ru)
partfamily (http://partfamily.ru)partialmajorant (http://partialmajorant.ru)quadrupleworm (http://quadrupleworm.ru)qualitybooster (http://qualitybooster.ru)quasimoney (http://quasimoney.ru)quenchedspark (http://quenchedspark.ru)quodrecuperet (http://quodrecuperet.ru)rabbetledge (http://rabbetledge.ru)radialchaser (http://radialchaser.ru)radiationestimator (http://radiationestimator.ru)railwaybridge (http://railwaybridge.ru)randomcoloration (http://randomcoloration.ru)rapidgrowth (http://rapidgrowth.ru)rattlesnakemaster (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)reachthroughregion (http://reachthroughregion.ru)
readingmagnifier (http://readingmagnifier.ru)rearchain (http://rearchain.ru)recessioncone (http://recessioncone.ru)recordedassignment (http://recordedassignment.ru)rectifiersubstation (http://rectifiersubstation.ru)redemptionvalue (http://redemptionvalue.ru)reducingflange (http://reducingflange.ru)referenceantigen (http://referenceantigen.ru)regeneratedprotein (http://regeneratedprotein.ru)reinvestmentplan (http://reinvestmentplan.ru)safedrilling (http://safedrilling.ru)sagprofile (http://sagprofile.ru)salestypelease (http://salestypelease.ru)samplinginterval (http://samplinginterval.ru)satellitehydrology (http://satellitehydrology.ru)
scarcecommodity (http://scarcecommodity.ru)scrapermat (http://scrapermat.ru)screwingunit (http://screwingunit.ru)seawaterpump (http://seawaterpump.ru)secondaryblock (http://secondaryblock.ru)secularclergy (http://secularclergy.ru)seismicefficiency (http://seismicefficiency.ru)selectivediffuser (http://selectivediffuser.ru)semiasphalticflux (http://semiasphalticflux.ru)semifinishmachining (http://semifinishmachining.ru)spicetrade (http://spicetrade.ru)spysale (http://spysale.ru)stungun (http://stungun.ru)tacticaldiameter (http://tacticaldiameter.ru)tailstockcenter (http://tailstockcenter.ru)
tamecurve (http://tamecurve.ru)tapecorrection (http://tapecorrection.ru)tappingchuck (http://tappingchuck.ru)taskreasoning (http://taskreasoning.ru)technicalgrade (http://technicalgrade.ru)telangiectaticlipoma (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)telescopicdamper (http://telescopicdamper.ru)temperateclimate (http://temperateclimate.ru)temperedmeasure (http://temperedmeasure.ru)tenementbuilding (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)ultramaficrock (http://ultramaficrock.ru)ultraviolettesting (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)