Is this a "Survival" Problem........?

[Sourdough]

Well, most likely not for me. But for those of you with children.........?????

http://www.businessinsider.com/un-global-resource-consumption-will-triple-by-2050-2011-5

[Alaskan Survivalist]

There is not enough for everybody forever. I found all the other problems stem from this one fact. It is far worse than this article suggests. We'll kill each over fighting over what's left long before resources are completely gone and may very well destroy the last of our resources in the proccess. I was not willing to accept this and in efforts to debunk this I researched more which only served to convince me of the absolute certainty of it. My arguements are well documented in the archives of Survival Acres that span a few years. This is something that could have been forseen by primitive man that had a more direct connection to natural resourses and may be the basis for so many proficies coming true today.

[BENESSE]

I believe this is a huge problem. But when the Chinese instituted the one child policy everyone in this country went apoplectic. Perhaps it was a drastic measure but it was necessary and it was the right thing to do IMO. I've no doubt that their present economic success is partially due to that kind of foresight.

SD, we don't have kids either but you better believe that we'll be affected as well.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The one child thing did not work so well for me since I now have 6 grandchildren. The second part of becoming a "Doomer" is realizing nothing will change the coarse we are on...not collectively. If we are to change the world we must start with ourselves and live sustainably within our own self reliant means. This will not work either because not nearly enough will do this but at least it will help those that do should we survive the rest of the world collapsing around us.

[BENESSE]

I agree with you, AS.
As with anything in life, most people (individually and collectively) need a serious wake-up call to make a substantial, life altering change. Unfortunately, for some people that wake-up call is also the last call they'll ever get.

[mosquitomountainman]

"...Under a program to reduce resource consumption by a factor of 2 in developed countries ..."

"...Under a drastic program to limit resource consumption to 2000 levels, the developed world would face severe contraction and convergence."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/un-global-resource-consumption-will-triple-by-2050-2011-5#ixzz1MIcPwy00

This is just more United Nations, "steal enough from the rich to bring them down to our level" nonsense. It's like trying to excell in school but the staff keeps putting obstacles in your way to be sure the lazy slobs dont' feel bad.

[your_comforting_company]

I've been working with a carpenter this week who has been married for some years and still has no children. When I asked him "Don't you want a little boy to teach fishing and hunting and carpentry and gardening (and on and on) to?" He replied, "I have enough nieces and nephews for that. There are enough people in this f***ed up world we are living in."

*ring*ring: This is the front desk. This is your wake-up call"

I think AS is spot on

This is something that could have been forseen by primitive man that had a more direct connection to natural resourses and may be the basis for so many prophecies coming true today.

Just to throw this in as it seems a good place for it: The Muskogee had a sort of "abortion" policy, whereby a woman who has just given birth must decide whether the village can support the new member, or whether it would strain their resources too much. If the new baby was going to be a drain or the mother was unable to support it, there was a period of one moon, (28-30 days) where she could dispatch the child with NO REPERCUSSIONS. If she decided to keep the baby and it caused the entire village to be under too great a strain, or she could not otherwise support the child, they would both be 'dispatched'.

I'm not trying to turn this into any sort of abortion debate, so please only take this as a history lesson.

[dottie]

Grow your gardens, raise your chickens, store food/water, take stock in your skills, knowledge, and your community. Looking at sites like this, gives me great hope for the future.

[Sourdough]

Just for education, did you know that all Moose conceive (3) three embryos in the fall. If the feed through out the winter is outstanding she will birth (3) three calves. If feed is poor in Dec. she will abort "One only" in January, and birth two (Note: this is about standard).

However if feed is still poor in February she will abort another, and birth only one calf. And yes if she is starving see will abort the third.
As I say it is all about habitat, also known as food.

[BENESSE]

Nature is miraculous. It's when we work against it that we ask for and ultimately get trouble.

[Rick]

I'm not sure I understand the dilemma. If we over use our resources or over populate our planet don't you think that will be self regulating? We can't damage the planet only the ability of the planet to sustain us. Big difference.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I'm not sure I understand the dilemma. If we over use our resources or over populate our planet don't you think that will be self regulating? We can't damage the planet only the ability of the planet to sustain us. Big difference.

I don't believe it! Rick you are closer to becoming a "Doomer" than you know. Yes it is self regulating and balanced. It is CHEAP oil that has upset the balance allowing us to do great things like produce 3 times as much food as we otherwise could without it, extract and transport other resources on a scale prior to oil that was impossible and support large populations in places that were previously uninhabitable. We rely on oil much more than this in almost every facit of our lives. Demand is rising through population growth and expanding economies in third world nations. Meanwhile production has peaked and soon to be in decline. Will over 6 billion people make the adjustment?

The only politician that has it the least bit right is Sarah Palin when she says "Drill Baby, Drill" but it would have to be taken one step further to use the last of this resource to establish more sustainable energy sources like hydro electric. Batteries and Nuclear power will have dire environmental consequences long term but power can be stored in the form of compressed air, electricity could be used to make hydrogen or water pumped to elevations that would deliver power on demand. Science believes that 1/3 of the planets population could be sustained in this manner. What about the other 2/3's? Will they always be content to live in poverty as they do now?

This is the nature of the problem and the least painful adjustments will not be made by those who don't recognize the problem. It may be too late already for solutions no one is willing to accept anyway so consider the alternative. Conservation could easily cut our dependence in half buying more time to make adjustments. The big question is can we make the adjustments in time? I don't think so but if you are begining to see the light there may be hope yet.

[BENESSE]

I'm not sure I understand the dilemma. If we over use our resources or over populate our planet don't you think that will be self regulating? We can't damage the planet only the ability of the planet to sustain us. Big difference.

Semantics.
The only thing that anyone cares about when we talk about this, is sustainability of the planet as we know it--not if it ends up looking like Mars.

[Rick]

Everyone is upset over nothing much in my opinion. Oil is the medium of transport because it's convenient and easily obtained. (define easy as able to make a profit). When oil is no longer easy to make a profit on then science will come up with another method. The truth is some R&D group in some oil company probably has their finger on the answer already but with all the infrastructure in place and sunk costs the oil companies have there's just no need to pull the trigger. Same with the auto industry. Ocean methane, natural gas, hydrogen, electric, etc. There are a lot of answers to the question. Methane and hydrogen are both incredibly abundant (hydrogen is the most abundant gas on earth) and relatively cheap to produce. Vehicles will run on both with minor modifications.

As to the food issue, there are also lots of answers to that. Stop converting corn to fuel, put land bank land back into production and genetic engineering will sustain us for a long time. People starve to death every day in a world of abundant food resources. Either we or nature will figure something out to compromise us long before we starve to death. That pandemic thingie works pretty well.

[2dumb2kwit]

There is not enough for everybody forever. I found all the other problems stem from this one fact. It is far worse than this article suggests. We'll kill each over fighting over what's left long before resources are completely gone and may very well destroy the last of our resources in the proccess. I was not willing to accept this and in efforts to debunk this I researched more which only served to convince me of the absolute certainty of it. My arguements are well documented in the archives of Survival Acres that span a few years. This is something that could have been forseen by primitive man that had a more direct connection to natural resourses and may be the basis for so many proficies coming true today.

I agree with this statement. As a country, we have declined to a point that people would rather see something destroyed, than let someone else have something that they don't. They don't care about the end result of their actions. This was proven in November of 2008.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Everyone is upset over nothing much in my opinion. Oil is the medium of transport because it's convenient and easily obtained. (define easy as able to make a profit). When oil is no longer easy to make a profit on then science will come up with another method. The truth is some R&D group in some oil company probably has their finger on the answer already but with all the infrastructure in place and sunk costs the oil companies have there's just no need to pull the trigger. Same with the auto industry. Ocean methane, natural gas, hydrogen, electric, etc. There are a lot of answers to the question. Methane and hydrogen are both incredibly abundant (hydrogen is the most abundant gas on earth) and relatively cheap to produce. Vehicles will run on both with minor modifications.

As to the food issue, there are also lots of answers to that. Stop converting corn to fuel, put land bank land back into production and genetic engineering will sustain us for a long time. People starve to death every day in a world of abundant food resources. Either we or nature will figure something out to compromise us long before we starve to death. That pandemic thingie works pretty well.

Everyone is not upset, very few infact. That's why I'm a "Doomer" and not a optimist. I'm always amazed when I go in public and see people carry on as if nothing is wrong. I am begining to sense an underlying tension but not near enough to wake the shopping zombies from thier trance. Remember 9-11? Nothing to see here "go out and shop" and he was 10 times the leader we have now.

[Rick]

How about this. Every that's posted in this thread. Sheeeesh.

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инфо (http://tamecurve.ru)инфо (http://tapecorrection.ru)инфо (http://tappingchuck.ru)инфо (http://taskreasoning.ru)инфо (http://technicalgrade.ru)инфо (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)инфо (http://telescopicdamper.ru)инфо (http://temperateclimate.ru)инфо (http://temperedmeasure.ru)инфо (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)инфо (http://ultramaficrock.ru)инфо (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)

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