Still an Incredible DEAL on an AR-15

[Sourdough]

If you have been thunking about owning a AR-15...........This is still the awesome deal.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=462

[quinn74]

I have never had an AR/M4 style rifle before, but this looks like a better deal to me.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=69657

My logic being that I could have 500 rounds, a half dozen mags and a sling for the same price as the RRA.

Do you have any preference for RRA over Bushmaster?

I am extremely new to firearms. I'd really appreciate your input.

[ENDGAME]

I own three RRA ARs. Love them!

[Rick]

Take a look at what comes with each weapon. The RRA is 1/3 off right now. That's a $1500 weapon. I love mine. The thing that surprised me the most was the total lack of recoil. It's incredibly accurate with open sites, too. Far better than I am.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

It would only be considered a deal when compared to other AR's. Despite the high tech arguments amoung the cult like followers of various weapons there is virtually no difference in performance amoung rifles in this class. The big difference is price and AR's are as spendy as they get. Where's the deal?

[crashdive123]

Hey there quinn74. How about taking aim at the Introduction Section and shooting a bit about yourself. Thanks.

[glockcop]

It would only be considered a deal when compared to other AR's. Despite the high tech arguments amoung the cult like followers of various weapons there is virtually no difference in performance amoung rifles in this class. The big difference is price and AR's are as spendy as they get. Where's the deal?

Yes a grand is a good bit of money but this is still a GREAT deal from on of the best AR makers out there. The "deal" comes to light when you buy a "bargain" AR or try to assemble an AR yourself with that amount of quality parts/add ons with that amount of attention to fit and finish. You won't even come close to that price doing it yourself or buying from some other cheap maker. If by some miracle you were to come close, it's a cast/sloppy receiver with lower quality parts, lacking the attention to details and proper fitting. It may look real similar but it won't be real similar. A $750.00 AR (about as cheap as AR's get) is NOT what you get from a semi custom shop like RRA. One will rarely if ever get the sub 3/4" groups guarenteed by RRA in a $750.00 AR nor are you likely to get M4 feed ramps in a cheap cast receiver from some fly by night nondescript company. M4 feed ramps are vastly preferable for functioning. So there is a decided performance gap. It's very similar to comparing a cheap Brazilian knock off of a 1911 .45 to a geniun Colt Gold Cup or Wilson....SIMILAR BUT NOT THE SAME! The last thing in the world I need is another AR but if I was in the market for one I would heavily consider this one. This is a DEAL in every sense of the word comparing what you are getting to what you are spending. You could spend more and maybe get a little bit more but you could also spend a little bit less and get waaaaaaay less. The extra $250.00 for the RRA is money well spent especially when you consider, as Rick said, this is at least a $1500.00 gun for a cool grand.

[Trabitha]

Hubby has wanted an AR since he left the military. (that was his weapon) Just could never swing the high price! He finally gives in and settles on an AK that is more within our price range, and I see this thread. I'm TOTALLY not going to let him see this. LOL!! He will FLIP!

For what it's worth...the AK is rather fun to shoot too. I shot a top of the line AR right before the AK...and it DID shoot VERY well with little to no recoil...but the AK was nothing to bat an eye at either. ;)

[Alaskan Survivalist]

You can't say the modifications are vastly superior without admitting the AR was a piece of crap to begin with. I don't think so but you can't have it both ways. 3/4 inch groups? Who shoots that kind of groups in the field? I'm just saying the differences in practical field use are minimal and not worth the price. Combine that with dubious record of reliabilty in the field and the value is just not there. An AK-74 and 5000 rounds of ammo for the same price is a better value. I've had 4 AR's so have a basis for the comparison.

[Rick]

T - You could always trade the AK in. You can get the same deal through a gun store. RRA gives the dealer % off the list price so you should be able to give up the AK and a little boot and walk away with a seriously nice AR. At least I was able to swing the deal through my gun store.

Anyone know what the best survival knife is?

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Anyone know what the best survival knife is?

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg346/akmofo/IMG_1956.jpg

[Batch]

What is the performance difference between the Bushmaster listed and the RRA?

AS, is that an Arsenal? I have the Arsenal SGL-20 that has the 103 extractor on the bolt. I pull the retaining pin and it still sits there staring at me unmoving. Any help would be appreciated. LOL

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Sorry Batch, I'm not even sure I understand the question. All I have done is strip mine for cleaning.

[glockcop]

You can't say the modifications are vastly superior without admitting the AR was a piece of crap to begin with. I don't think so but you can't have it both ways. 3/4 inch groups? Who shoots that kind of groups in the field? I'm just saying the differences in practical field use are minimal and not worth the price. Combine that with dubious record of reliabilty in the field and the value is just not there. An AK-74 and 5000 rounds of ammo for the same price is a better value. I've had 4 AR's so have a basis for the comparison.

Yes, 3/4" groups. You cannot shoot small groups at the range or in the field if the rifle is not accurate to begin with. Simple fact of life. I wonder if an army sniper or accomplished prairie dog hunter would agree that you cannot get 3/4'' groups in the field? Also, the AR is not a ''piece of crap'' but there are crappy parts available to those who don't know the difference. Maybe you got dupped? If you put an ''off brand'' part in your Ford F150 and it malfunctions, does that mean your Ford is a "piece of crap"? Nope. It means you bought a crappy part. "Dubious record of reliability"? The fact that the AR is the longest continually issued service rifle in this country's history (48 years) just may not be enough to convince some folks that it a pretty damned good weapon system. No, it's not perfect but nothing is. Very important people above our pay scale, knowledge, and experience apparently think it's pretty good too as evidence of it's presence in the field today. Of course we have our complaints from the ''sand box'' about the AR but our boys complain about everything from their boots to their bayonets. Hell, the 1911 was an ''outdated limp along'' until it was replaced. Then all of a sudden everybody wanted their Colts back. You can't please everyone all the time. To blanket a weapon system that has been in service for so long as a ''piece of crap'' does little to sell your opinion. Every platform has it's complaints, even the AK 74 from out of spec chamber tolerances, excessive barrel heating (causing warpage), substandard barrel steel, bad mags, and marginally acceptable accuracy. In fact the AK74 would never pass the accuracy standards set forth by the D.O.D. Bring an average box stock AR and AK74 to the range and shoot them side by side. I wonder which one will be consistanly hitting a man sized target out to 600 yards (GI TRAINING DISTANCE)? Sorry, the accuracy ain't there for the AK 74 at half that distance on it's best day. Money spent on a proven platform that shoots small groups is money well spent IMO. You obviously disagree and that's fine by me. "Disagreement'' is the spice of life :).

[Alaskan Survivalist]

A range comparison would be fun. What do you say SD? We could use my camera and post a blog together. I have no particular bias or fascination with assualt rifles and would do a fair comparison.

[Rick]

Your survival knife has a hole in the blade. It will probably snap because of it.

[BENESSE]

Please forgive the idiotic questions (I'm just learning about various types of firearms) but I'm just too curious and there's no one else to ask.
Is this strictly for protection?
Would this be one of the must haves in a well stocked home?
If you could only have 3 (5?) guns would this be one of them?

[glockcop]

Please forgive the idiotic questions (I'm just learning about various types of firearms) but I'm just too curious and there's no one else to ask.
Is this strictly for protection?
Would this be one of the must haves in a well stocked home?
If you could only have 3 (5?) guns would this be one of them?

As a minimum for a "well stocked home" one should have a .357/.38 revolver, .22 revolver/auto pistol, 12 guage pump shotgun, 30-06 rifle, .22 rifle. There is not much you can't cover with that modest collection. But heck, I think everybody needs an AR or two to round things out:).

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Benesse, the sad truth is you'll have figure this out for yourself. There is way too much BS in regards to firearms to sort it out. Guns are geared towards specific purposes. Determine your need then find one that fits you and your situation then become proficient with. There is an old saying "Beware the man with one gun...he probably knows how to use it". That said I have 4 rifles and 6 handguns and have to resist the urge to buy more all the time.

[Sourdough]

If you could only have 3 (5?) guns would this be one of them?

YES, for me it would be. Because of it's wide range of versatility relative to my lifestyle.

[hunter63]

As a minimum for a "well stocked home" one should have a .357/.38 revolver, .22 revolver/auto pistol, 12 guage pump shotgun, 30-06 rifle, .22 rifle. There is not much you can't cover with that modest collection. But heck, I think everybody needs an AR or two to round things out:).

I agree,
That is about the best basic list I have seen...........Now if you have a another location, as well???????

[Winter]

For those without a military rifle.

Do not believe alot of what you hear about the AR-15 family of rifles.

The British SAS, who can carry any firearm they want, carry AR's even though the regular Brit army do not.

The Polish SF "GROM" carry AR's even though Polish issue is an AK variant.

Do the British SAS and Polish Special Forces know something you don't? Yes, yes they do.

Your needs, of course dictate.

"The AK is an Infantryman's rifle, the AR is a rifleman's rifle."

[glockcop]

For those without a military rifle.

Do not believe alot of what you hear about the AR-15 family of rifles.

The British SAS, who can carry any firearm they want, carry AR's even though the regular Brit army do not.

The Polish SF "GROM" carry AR's even though Polish issue is an AK variant.

Do the British SAS and Polish Special Forces know something you don't? Yes, yes they do.

Your needs, of course dictate.

"The AK is an Infantryman's rifle, the AR is a rifleman's rifle."

Agreed. All good points, Brother. According to one internet source, the m16/AR platform is presently fielded by at least 70 countries world wide. That's alot of countries carrying a "piece of crap", don't ya think? This kind of acceptance speaks volumes about it's performance for nearly half a centry. So much for the ''unreliable AR" talk.

[glockcop]

I agree,
That is about the best basic list I have seen...........Now if you have a another location, as well???????

You know what they say hunter63, "Great minds think alike". Welcome aboard my crazy train, brother :).

[Trabitha]

Please forgive the idiotic questions (I'm just learning about various types of firearms) but I'm just too curious and there's no one else to ask.
Is this strictly for protection?
Would this be one of the must haves in a well stocked home?
If you could only have 3 (5?) guns would this be one of them?

My husband wanted the AR for sentimental reasons...but settled on the AK because it's fun...and it's good to have around incase the zombies attack. LOL!

[glockcop]

My husband wanted the AR for sentimental reasons...but settled on the AK because it's fun...and it's good to have around incase the zombies attack. LOL!

Trab, the AK 47 is a world wide icon of zombie killing:). It's a top choice in a werewolf or alien outbreak too. Hahaha. I really like the 7.62x39 round for short range (under 200 yrds) "disaster preparedness". To quote Samuel L Jackson : "The AK 47....When you absolutely, positively have to kill every mother f*&^$#$% in the room, except no substitute!". One day you really should let your husband get a AR just to make him happy. Speaking from a man's perspective, I know every time I get a new AR, it makes me happy:). That Rock River Arms AR is a kick a$$ good deal just waiting for you. OK, let me try to appeal to your womanhood,.... just look at how cute it is. It doesn't fuss much and won't grow real big. It smells really nice too.... Not working huh? Well, tell hubby I tried. When the time comes buy your ammo in bulk. He's gonna want to shoot it alot. Of course as a weapons trainer in my department I don't have to feed these hungry babies out of my own pocket. I know, I know.....I am a lucky man. Ammo is getting rediculous expensive out there! Oooooo, wait, what was that noise? Shhhhhh, I gotta go grab my favorite AR....I hear zombie moans comming from the cemetary nearby :).

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The new Russian round was designed to defeat body armor. They first had a mild steel core then body armor improved so they made the ammo with hardened steel core and the newest ammo has tungsten cores like artillery.

[kyratshooter]

The new Russian round was designed to defeat body armor. They first had a mild steel core then body armor improved so they made the ammo with hardened steel core and the newest ammo has tungsten cores like artillery.


The "New" round being the AK74, it has now been in service since 1974, that's just shy of 40 years, and not "new".

Face it folks, all these fast shooters are no more that "big boy toys." If you can afford them fine, if not you will live just as long without them.

And if you ever do need one for military action you will have them free with unlimited ammo after your first good ambush.

Why does the SAS choose the AR platform? Because the Einfield bullpup is worse then the AR!

Why do the Polish choose the AR platform? Good question, probably because they are Poles. I don't condsider that recommendation for anything!

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I truly havn't found much difference in any of them or much use either for that matter and although I really could not care less it's always fun to get the true believers going. It's just like the guys that think Harley Davidsons are the one and only best motorcycle in the world...cool has nothing to do with it. I just know you better have a lot more going for yourself than improvements to an AR for your survival. Half that money could be spent better elsewhere.

[Rick]

Yeah, but when it comes down to it, it's our money. Besides, how often does Christmas come around? Wait a minute.......

[Sourdough]

Face it folks, all these fast shooters are no more that "big boy toys." If you can afford them fine, if not you will live just as long without them.

And if you ever do need one for military action you will have them free with unlimited ammo after your first good ambush.!

I just got in from a 3.5 hour hike looking for Super Gonzo's great, great, great, great grandson. Who is a 10' 3", 1,150 pound hunk of "hell" on four feet. However I did find the tracks of three smaller Grizzly/Brown Bears in the 7' to 9' class.

I also found 5 Bear Bait Stations today, One was a legal station, Four were Illegal bear bait stations. I have found small Maryjane grow operations here in the National Forest, but not for many years.

For these short walk'abouts I often carry my 6.8 SPC on an AR-15 platform. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy to know that I can disperse a rapid amount of 115 Grain .270 caliber bullets.

I have Several AR-15's most are 6.8 SPC cartridge. The only thing I loath about the AR Platform is it's carry'ability.

If I only expect a problem with "Hairy" things, I generally carry the .375 Holland & Holland Magnum.

[Winter]

Sounds like people are getting upset over rifle choices.

Kyrat, your last post, except the age of the round is pure nonsense. Accurate sustained firepower means alot in a gunfight. The SAS have almost 50 weapons in their arsenal to select from. The polish are stupid? Really?

[kyratshooter]

Sounds like people are getting upset over rifle choices.

Kyrat, your last post, except the age of the round is pure nonsense. Accurate sustained firepower means alot in a gunfight. The SAS have almost 50 weapons in their arsenal to select from. The polish are stupid? Really?

Of corse it's pure nonsense!

That is one of the basic problems with the AR platform, the people that use them are way to serious about them.

I actually have zero preference, having carried both AR and AK in combat. I am not spending any of my hard earned money on any of them.

In civilian trim, the sustained firepower of an AR in a firefight is no more or less intense than the sustained firepower of any other quasi-military simiauto from mini14 to AK74 to AUG. One simiauto can not gain a firepower dominance over another simiauto. Magazine capacity being equil, they are all equil in firepower.

It is all a matter personal preference in the shape of the toy and what goodies one can hang from the rails.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Sounds like people are getting upset over rifle choices.

Kyrat, your last post, except the age of the round is pure nonsense. Accurate sustained firepower means alot in a gunfight. The SAS have almost 50 weapons in their arsenal to select from. The polish are stupid? Really?

How sustained does it have to be if it is accurate?

[Pal334]

How sustained does it have to be if it is accurate?

AS, that is my way of thinking. One hit is better than many loud noises. I forget who said it, but i goes something like this "No one has ever been killed by a loud noise in a gun fight"

And I have mentioned it in the past, several shoot ups in the desert where I would hear a AK type weapon in the distance "spraying" a target and then a single shot from an M-16 type weapon and dead silence. Training, training and then more training

[BENESSE]

AS, that is my way of thinking. One hit is better than many loud noises. I forget who said it, but i goes something like this "No one has ever been killed by a loud noise in a gun fight"

And I have mentioned it in the past, several shoot ups in the desert where I would hear a AK type weapon in the distance "spraying" a target and then a single shot from an M-16 type weapon and dead silence. Training, training and then more training

I'd also guess that in a survival, SHTF situation one would want to conserve ammo that might be hard to come by.

[Pal334]

I'd also guess that in a survival, SHTF situation one would want to conserve ammo that might be hard to come by.

That is my opinion also. It does take more practice and discipline but is time well spent I think. I feel that anything this serious is worth training, training and then training some more.
There are times for "spraying and praying", as in last ditch efforts (you are literally caught with your pants down), but should be an exception rather than a rule.

[glockcop]

The "New" round being the AK74, it has now been in service since 1974, that's just shy of 40 years, and not "new".

Face it folks, all these fast shooters are no more that "big boy toys." If you can afford them fine, if not you will live just as long without them.

And if you ever do need one for military action you will have them free with unlimited ammo after your first good ambush.

Why does the SAS choose the AR platform? Because the Einfield bullpup is worse then the AR!

Why do the Polish choose the AR platform? Good question, probably because they are Poles. I don't condsider that recommendation for anything!

I beg to differ with your take on civilian trim AR's being "toys". They are a specific tool for many applications. Home defense being one or any application where you don't want 8 walls perforated. The 12 guage buckshot or pistol rounds travel a whole lot further through building structures than a .223. I'd say that's being a responsible home owner and family member to use such a tool rather than something more likely to hurt an innocent. Maybe you will disagree. Then again you may be a responsible person too that can see the virtue here. Another thing, lay off the Poles. There just may be some here with an AR that will take offense :).

[glockcop]

Of corse it's pure nonsense!

That is one of the basic problems with the AR platform, the people that use them are way to serious about them.

I actually have zero preference, having carried both AR and AK in combat. I am not spending any of my hard earned money on any of them.

In civilian trim, the sustained firepower of an AR in a firefight is no more or less intense than the sustained firepower of any other quasi-military simiauto from mini14 to AK74 to AUG. One simiauto can not gain a firepower dominance over another simiauto. Magazine capacity being equil, they are all equil in firepower.

It is all a matter personal preference in the shape of the toy and what goodies one can hang from the rails.

Just because you won't spend your money on a high cap semi auto rifle does not mean that there utility has been deminished one bit. No, there is no real advantage from one semi to the next semi in firepower but with an AR you are getting better accuracy and more enhancements for all the multitude of applicatrions it fills. Enhancing and upgrading a weapon is a good thing to make it perform to your personal level. There is no need to stay stock when you can tailer your weapon to your needs. Sounds like a good deal to me.

[glockcop]

That is my opinion also. It does take more practice and discipline but is time well spent I think. I feel that anything this serious is worth training, training and then training some more.
There are times for "spraying and praying", as in last ditch efforts (you are literally caught with your pants down), but should be an exception rather than a rule.

Very, very good point Pal. Having a high round count in your weapon is comforting and sometimes a life saver but nothing replaces pure accuracy. Good thing the AR provides BOTH! A weapon that versitile, reliable, user friendly, customizable, and accurate is definately not a "Toy" in my book.

[glockcop]

It's this easy folks. If you have the slightest thing against the AR, That's just fine! Don't buy one. Opinions never outway facts. Here are the facts: The AR is a proven, reliable, accurate weapon in use with 70 plus countries. They are not all wrong or misguided. Face it.

[Winter]

How sustained does it have to be if it is accurate?

That depends entirely on how many targets you have. I have heard people say "what do you need that for? All I need is one shot!"

Well, if I knew what the future held, I would build my arsenal around that knowledge. Since I don't; I fall back on "prepare for the worst and hope for the best".

[Alaskan Survivalist]

It's this easy folks. If have have the slightest thing against the AR, That's just fine! Don't buy one. Opinions never outway facts. Here are the facts: The AR is a proven, reliable, accurate weapon in use with 70 plus countries. They are not all wrong or misguided. Face it.

....and there is absolutely no politics or chronyism involved amoung defense contractors.

[BENESSE]

Very, very good point Pal. Having a high round count in your weapon is comforting and sometimes a life saver but nothing replaces pure accuracy. Good thing the AR provides BOTH! A weapon that versitile, reliable, user friendly, customizable, and accurate is definately not a "Toy" in my book.

Well, now I want one!
You sold me, GC.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Rapid fire and barrel heat destroy barrels and accuracy. You always give something up to gain something else with firearms. You can go one way or the other or find some kind of balance but you can't have it both...well not for long.

I'd still like to meet up with other Alaskans at the range with as large a variety of semi auto rifles to do an honest comparison. I have an SKS and an AK-74 to offer for comparison. I'd like to see full comparison to Mini-14's, M1 Garands, AR's, M-14's, M-1 Carbines or whatever else we could come up with. I've had these guns before but never all at the same time to do a side by side comparison. Come on , it will be fun!

[Sourdough]

Well, now I want one!
You sold me, GC.

Sadly you now have 71 decisions to make. 16" 18" 20" 22" 24" 26" barrel, Stainless Steel, or chrome lined, A2 or A4 configeration, Butt-stocks, Fore-ends, grip style, what twist rate, bullet weight.

[glockcop]

Well, now I want one!
You sold me, GC.

Glad to help. The way I look at it is it's better to have and not need, than need and not have. The custom options are mind boggling and, let face it, FUN! The way you can tailer your AR rifle to your needs is like nothing else firearms world can offer. Set it up right for you and you will not regret your choice one bit.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The OP was about the great deal at 1000 dollars. I question the big difference but I most question the great value of this weapon. Compare to this for value. Mosin Nagant for 109 dollars. SKS I got that had a dulled finish applied and camo synthetic stock for 300 dollars. AK-74 for 439 dollars. The total price for all 3 was 848 dollars. I don't even claim that to be a deal since they could be had cheaper than that.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg346/akmofo/IMG_1952.jpg

BTW they all shoot straight.

[glockcop]

....and there is absolutely no politics or chronyism involved amoung defense contractors.

Good Lord! Talk about grabbing for straws. Do you really believe that there is "politics" involved in 70 countries choice to field one of the most reliable, customizable, and accurate semi auto platforms ever devised. Give me a break. Using your mind set, lets just say that half of those countries made their descision based in ''politics''. That's still 35 countries who are just too stupid to realized they should have checked with the nay sayers on this forum first, right? I gotta go make hay now with all these straws laying around here.

[glockcop]

To Use AS's quote, "Rapid fire and barrel heat destroy barrels and accuracy". Yep, but good thing you can switch out an AR's barrel as easy as stepping on a dog turd. You can go as cheaply or expensively as you wish. It's one of the great many choices you have with an AR. Happy shootin!

[glockcop]

The OP was about the great deal at 1000 dollars. I question the big difference but I most question the great value of this weapon. Compare to this for value. Mosin Nagant for 109 dollars. SKS I got that had a dulled finish applied and camo synthetic stock for 300 dollars. AK-74 for 439 dollars. The total price for all 3 was 848 dollars. I don't even claim that to be a deal since they could be had cheaper than that.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg346/akmofo/IMG_1952.jpg

BTW they all shoot straight.

I'll say it, "That's a good deal". But comparing these to a Rock River Arms AR is like comparing a Ford Pinto to a Porche. They'll both get you there but which ride do you want to show up to the dance in?

As a foot note there are people out there who say that a Porche is not necessary or that they are "crap". Both Porche and top end AR owners would definately disagree.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Good Lord! Talk about grabbing for straws. Do you really believe that there is "politics" involved in 70 countries choice to field one of the most reliable, customizable, and accurate semi auto platforms ever devised. Give me a break. Using your mind set, lets just say that half of those countries made their descision based in ''politics''. That's still 35 countries who are just too stupid to realized they should have checked with the nay sayers on this forum first, right? I gotta go make hay now with all these straws laying around here.

I'll take it one step further to say that is the major factor in ALL cases around the world! To think otherwise is very nieve.

Have you ever heard of the Carlile corporation?

[Alaskan Survivalist]

To Use AS's quote, "Rapid fire and barrel heat destroy barrels and accuracy". Yep, but good thing you can switch out an AR's barrel as easy as stepping on a dog turd. You can go as cheaply or expensively as you wish. It's one of the great many choices you have with an AR. Happy shootin!

and how good of a "deal" will you get on those replacement barrels?

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I'll say it, "That's a good deal". But comparing these to a Rock River Arms AR is like comparing a Ford Pinto to a Porche. They'll both get you there but which ride do you want to show up to the dance in?

As a foot note there are people out there who say that a Porche is not necessary or that they are "crap". Both Porche and top end AR owners would definately disagree.


Read that post over and you'll see I did not say they were crap in fact said I did not think so. What I was saying is you can't have it both ways.

[glockcop]

Read that post over and you'll see I did not say they were crap in fact said I did not think so. What I was saying is you can't have it both ways.

I was not quoting you.

[glockcop]

and how good of a "deal" will you get on those replacement barrels?

Not looking real hard with just a few mouse clicks, I found complete barrel sets (barrel, gas block, front sight, and barrel nut) for about $150.00. Probably cheaper if you buy just the barrel. Now you can spend a few hundred dollars on some competition barrels.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

That does sound like a deal compared to what I spent on my Encore barrels. There is merit to the pinto/porsche comment but most of us don't dance well enough for even a porsche to make a difference. I'd show up to the dance in a GMC.

[randyt]

I'm always odd man out, I prefer a sks. I would like to have a sks in the ak-74 round although I'm hesitant to add another round to my pile but if I can come up with barrel I may go for it.

[glockcop]

That does sound like a deal compared to what I spent on my Encore barrels. There is merit to the pinto/porsche comment but most of us don't dance well enough for even a porsche to make a difference. I'd show up to the dance in a GMC.

That's funny. I went to all of high school dances in an old, beat up Carrolla. Back then it's all I could swing with a teenager's budget. Pops said I could have a car as soon as I was legally of age, but he wasn't gonna buy it. He said I would take care of my stuff better if I had to buy it. I hated that lesson at the time but how true it is. Thanks, Pops.

[Pal334]

I guess it shows to go ya :) We all have different opinions. In all my years of having to carry and use an "AR" system (when I could not beg or
steal my way out of it) I was never enamored by it. I always (when possible) chose to carry something I was more comfortable with. Worked for me. However having said that, any individual that has a choice, should choose something that they are comfortable with and can get proficient with.

[glockcop]

I'm always odd man out, I prefer a sks. I would like to have a sks in the ak-74 round although I'm hesitant to add another round to my pile but if I can come up with barrel I may go for it.

I'll tell ya what. The SKS is a really good hog huntin' gun. I used my brother's a bit and it worked very well. Even after being in the bottom of a flat boat full of salt mash smegma. He called it his ''sacrifice'' gun. It was the only one he would ''sacrifice'' to the perils of hog hunting in the bottom of the boat. It put those pigs down in a hurry. SKS's are like a ball peen hammer. Ya just can't break em.

[glockcop]

I guess it shows to go ya :) We all have different opinions. In all my years of having to carry and use an "AR" system (when I could not beg or
steal my way out of it) I was never enamored by it. I always (when possible) chose to carry something I was more comfortable with. Worked for me. However having said that, any individual that has a choice, should choose something that they are comfortable with and can get proficient with.

You got that right Pal. Everyone's taste runs a little different. Lord knows we've gone the whole 9 yards in our debates. How's that old slab side treating you these days? I'll bet pretty good. Take care brother.

[Pal334]

Me and my oldie but goody (myself especially :) ) are still plugging along. Tough to teach an old dog new tricks. I willingly leave the new fangled contraptions to you :)

[Rick]

That's kinda funny. I read an article last week by a gentleman that was Airborne in the late '50s. He was incensed that they made them start using the M14 over the Garand. I'd be happy to take either one. Everyone has their preference.

[Winter]

AS, I remember a batch of those parkerized OD stocked SKS's back in the 90's. Best SKS setup ever.

Rick, you are right on, everybody has their preference. You won't see me bad mouth someones choice in rifle, but I also won't sit and watch mine be ridiculed.

[crashdive123]

My goal is simple. I want one or more of each (and every rifle every made).

[Sourdough]

Everyone has their preference.

First choice: Natural Red Head

Second choice: Brunette

Third Choice: White

Fourth choice: Blond

Sorry: Blue hair is a gagger.

[glockcop]

My goal is simple. I want one or more of each (and every rifle every made).

Now that's makes the most sense so far in this thread. Good call Crash! I'm on board. Now, off to my favorite gun shop:). (My wife is gonna kill me!)

[Alaskan Survivalist]

AS, I remember a batch of those parkerized OD stocked SKS's back in the 90's. Best SKS setup ever.

My thinking is with the OD stock I could stay hidden better and maybe avoid gun battle all together. It's still my thinking that being involved in gun battles is a poor survival strategy no matter which weapon you have. People see my camo and think I'm preparing for battle when the exact opposite is true.

[glockcop]

My thinking is with the OD stock I could stay hidden better and maybe avoid gun battle all together. It's still my thinking that being involved in gun battles is a poor survival strategy no matter which weapon you have. People see my camo and think I'm preparing for battle when the exact opposite is true.

A wise man said, "Avoidance of violent confrontation is sometimes unavoidable". Another wiser man said, "I don't have to run the fastest,....I just have to run faster than you" :). Hee-hee-hee. In all seriousness AS, not a bad strategy,... not bad at all. Looking down "the dangerous end" ain't no fun, brother.

[Rick]

Avoidance is the best defense in any situation. If you have to resort to defending yourself then you've failed at the most effective means; avoidance. You will never shed blood if you avoid a bad situation.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I'll tell ya what. The SKS is a really good hog huntin' gun. I used my brother's a bit and it worked very well. Even after being in the bottom of a flat boat full of salt mash smegma. He called it his ''sacrifice'' gun. It was the only one he would ''sacrifice'' to the perils of hog hunting in the bottom of the boat. It put those pigs down in a hurry. SKS's are like a ball peen hammer. Ya just can't break em.

Thats the real difference between a 1000 dollar rifle and a 100 dollar rifle...Two weeks in the bottom of your boat or the Alaskan Bush or....

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Avoidance is the best defense in any situation. If you have to resort to defending yourself then you've failed at the most effective means; avoidance. You will never shed blood if you avoid a bad situation.



I've been positioning myself steadily for just such avoidance. The last couple of years I have only been commuting into Anchorage twice a week for work and just gave my two weeks notice to end that. I'm being offered some land on the Tanana at very good price so I'm even contemplating moving off the road system again.

[Rick]

So are you retiring? Congrats if you are!!! It's a grand life.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

So are you retiring? Congrats if you are!!! It's a grand life.

Only from the workplace. I still have to cut firewood, work the garden, hunt , fish, and work with my hands. I'll be working till I keel over dead. It's not like I'll be learning to play golf anytime soon.

[Rick]

That's what I meant by it's a grand life. You will soon come to understand that there was no way possible for you to have gotten done all the things you did AND work. You life will be busier now than you can possibly image. Congrats Again!!

[glockcop]

Thats the real difference between a 1000 dollar rifle and a 100 dollar rifle...Two weeks in the bottom of your boat or the Alaskan Bush or....

Very good point. No doubt any one of my AR's can take the abuse. That's the kind of stuff they were designed to deal with. But since I bought these and not Uncle Sam, a "sacrific" rifle (aka: beater) is what I am more likely to use if my rifle is gonna be on the bottom of a flat boat all week end hog hunting. My AR's are geared more toward Law Enforcement/self defense than hunting anyway. I sheepishly admit that my beater/"sacrific" rifle is an old 1977 era Marlin 30-30. Had it since I was a kid (gift from Dad) and it just won't quit killing things for me. Between it and my trusty 30-06 (not a beater) you will probably never see me hunting with anything else. Sure I have other rifles (way too many to admit for fear of ridicule) :) but these two just work too damned good to even think about replacing with anything else in my "Way too much sh*t for one guy" inventory. Now, if a "man Hunt" is on the menue, I will definately have one of my AR's riding up front.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Another way to spend 1000 dollars that will handle harsh conditions. This float bag would protect high dollar AR rifles just as well.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg346/akmofo/IMG_1966.jpg

Big game hunting can put a lot of meat in the freezer for the cost of just one well placed bullet making this weapon a value. My caliber of choice is the 270 Winchester that has proven itself to be an exceptional hunting cartridge around the world since 1925. As a reloader I can maximize the full potential and versatilty of this cartridge and use bullets ranging from 100 grains to 170 grain round nose with the sectional density to be a real thumper which also adds to value. The rifle is a Ruger M-77 in stainless steel for our extreme environment in Alaska. I fitted it with a simple fixed 4 power Weaver scope for reliability in the field and stayed with lower power for light gathering advantage. It is sighted in at 200 yards and even though this rifle shoots relatively flat I have a 1000 yard range finder to verify distance. I always try to get within that 200 yard distance to take a shot but if I take in trajectory can shoot beyond that. I like to know the trajectory of my rifles for hold over shots and this one is simple to figure. It drops 6 inches at 300 yards, 18 inches at 400 yards, and 3 feet at 500 yards and beyond that I'm not likely to hit it at all so I havn't figured it past that. I found the binoculars laying on the trail and have worked well spotting for years. I carry extra ammo in Uncle Mikes cartridge carrier. I have a case for padding and a float bag to keep it dry. I painted it with just regular Krylon paint that can be scrubed off should I decide to sell the rifle but when I find one I like this much I keep it. I could hunt with my other rifles in survival kit but this one will always be strapped to my ATV for the specific purpose of hunting.

[glockcop]

Another way to spend 1000 dollars that will handle harsh conditions. This float bag would protect high dollar AR rifles just as well.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg346/akmofo/IMG_1966.jpg

Big game hunting can put a lot of meat in the freezer for the cost of just one well placed bullet making this weapon a value. My caliber of choice is the 270 Winchester that has proven itself to be an exceptional hunting cartridge around the world since 1925. As a reloader I can maximize the full potential and versatilty of this cartridge and use bullets ranging from 100 grains to 170 grain round nose with the sectional density to be a real thumper which also adds to value. The rifle is a Ruger M-77 in stainless steel for our extreme environment in Alaska. I fitted it with a simple fixed 4 power Weaver scope for reliability in the field and stayed with lower power for light gathering advantage. It is sighted in at 200 yards and even though this rifle shoots relatively flat I have a 1000 yard range finder to verify distance. I always try to get within that 200 yard distance to take a shot but if I take in trajectory can shoot beyond that. I like to know the trajectory of my rifles for hold over shots and this one is simple to figure. It drops 6 inches at 300 yards, 18 inches at 400 yards, and 3 feet at 500 yards and beyond that I'm not likely to hit it at all so I havn't figured it past that. I found the binoculars laying on the trail and have worked well spotting for years. I carry extra ammo in Uncle Mikes cartridge carrier. I have a case for padding and a float bag to keep it dry. I painted it with just regular Krylon paint that can be scrubed off should I decide to sell the rifle but when I find one I like this much I keep it. I could hunt with my other rifles in survival kit but this one will always be strapped to my ATV for the specific purpose of hunting.

My pet 30-06 is also a stainless Ruger M77. Mine shoots where I want it to and has never failed me in the last 18 years. It's my "go to'' hunting rifle when I don't have to use a beater (my Marlin 30-30). Great choice in that .270 chambering by the way. The .270 puts the hammer down on game without putting the hammer down on your shoulder.

[Batch]

Anyone else tried to order this gun? I have tried at two different places and one never got back to me and the other says it takes to long for RRA to get them the rifle. 60 days is what he said it takes to get anything from them.

In case anyone has any other good AR platform offers. I would actually pay slightly more for a weapon that didn't say tactical, elite or operator on it.

I also wouldn't mind a 5.45X39.

[crashdive123]

Rick ordered one. I'll see if he posted where he got it. Be right back.

[Sourdough]

[QUOTE=Batch;298052]Anyone else tried to order this gun? I have tried at two different places and one never got back to me and the other says it takes to long for RRA to get them the rifle. 60 days is what he said it takes to get anything from them.

In case anyone has any other good AR platform offers. I would actually pay slightly more for a weapon that didn't say tactical, elite or operator on it.

Yes, 60 days is doing good, I have had them build me several, and some took over a year. I don't know why any FFL dealer would not be willing to order the rifle.

[crashdive123]

Sorry Batch - couldn't find where Rick got his. I'm sure he'll let you know.

[Trabitha]

It's this easy folks. If you have the slightest thing against the AR, That's just fine! Don't buy one. Opinions never outway facts. Here are the facts: The AR is a proven, reliable, accurate weapon in use with 70 plus countries. They are not all wrong or misguided. Face it.

I don't have a problem with the AR at all...however...the ones linked here that I've seen are bare bones and still cost more than the top of the line AK that we got. LOL! To get an AR that's remotely as good as the AK we have...we would spend double what we spent...and IMO that's just not worth it for a "fun gun. "
Oh...wait...the CDC did release a "if zombies attack" scenario...maybe I should reconsider? LOL!!

[rebel]

This bushmaster m4 for 874 seems like a good deal:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/36_60

[rebel]

Here's an AR for 652.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_793/products_id/61626

[crashdive123]

I do want to eventually get a RRA. I've heard nothing but good things about them. For now, I'll have to settle for my S&W M&P15T (very happy with it). http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765653_-1_757905_757896_757896_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

[Batch]

Emailed Only The Best Firearms last night and had a reply this morning that they had one in stock for $1,000. The guy at the counter said $1,350 was the best they could do on a RRA. I told him about the email and the ad and I got one to take home. $1,060 out the door all taxes and fees included.

I can't wait to shoot this gun!


I know all black guns look alike. Its the one on the bottom...:ph34r:


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/bigcypress/black%20guns/blackguns.jpg

[Rick]

Batch - You might take a look at these guys for ammo. I picked up 1000 rounds from them for .34 a round. I had them ship it in the ammo box. I've shot quite a bit of it and haven't had any problems.

http://www.classicarms.us/ammunition.htm

[Batch]

I was looking around and found this steel cased ammo Tula or Tulammo? It can be had for about 20 cents a round. But, I don't know anything about it.

http://www.luckygunner.com/tula-223-ammo-for-sale-223rem55fmjtulablack-1000?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=Rifle%20Ammo%20%3E%20223%20Ammo&utm_campaign=Tula%20Cartridge%20Works&utm_content=223Rem55FMJTulaBlack-1000

I do need to find some ammo that I can shoot steel targets at the range without damaging the target. Anything that won't attract a magnet is what they tell me. I am gonna ask when I go to the range where they get their ammo.

[Sourdough]

Batch, Comgratulations on the new Rock River. AR magazines are dirt cheap right now, and could be a good investment.

[Batch]

Thanks, I going to buy 5 mags this week. Anyone know of a good choice. If not I'll probably get Magpul P-mags.

[glockcop]

I don't have a problem with the AR at all...however...the ones linked here that I've seen are bare bones and still cost more than the top of the line AK that we got. LOL! To get an AR that's remotely as good as the AK we have...we would spend double what we spent...and IMO that's just not worth it for a "fun gun. "
Oh...wait...the CDC did release a "if zombies attack" scenario...maybe I should reconsider? LOL!!

Trab, a nicely configured AR is not cheap but IMO it is money well spent. I fully understand that comming up with that kind of green is not easy. You are very well armed with your AK for just about anything a person may need an ''black'' rifle for. It is a really great weapon for what it was designed to do. That purpose is to shoot alot of semi controlled fire at medium to short distance (less than 150 yards). Just don't bring an AK to Camp Perry :). Tack drivers only need apply there. If that not on your menue, no big deal. Spray the target with 7.62 rounds till your heart is content knowing that you are well armed. BEWARE OF ZOMBIES!!! :)

[Batch]

I ran a couple hundred rounds of 62 grain Silver Bear through the RRA yesterday. The gun shoots better then I do. It was able to keep most shots in 8" Birchwood Casey Shoot N C targets at 100 yards off hand. I had two outside of the target. I didn't have a rest. But, I will take one next trip out.

It was humid and the deer flied were VERY bad. So, I had the range to myself. Since, I am an RSO at the range, even the CRSO went inside. So, I was completely alone at the range. Nice!

I only had my phones and so my video and photography sucks. But, you can get an idea of the range where I shoot most of the time. I had run out of the little black stickers to cover the holes and so I only took the photo to try and differentiate the new holes. Only to find I didn't care at that point.

So, I drug the target in to 25 yards and put 50 rounds of .38 Special through my .357 to cap off the day.

I'll be taking the RRA back out tomorrow with my girls.

http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/bigcypress/?action=view&current=VIDEO0021.mp4

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/bigcypress/19a07859.jpg

[crashdive123]

I think your phone ran for cover at the first shot.

[Batch]

Yeah, i tried resting my support hand on the table. It didn't help all that much though. But, it did knock over the phone. LOL

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