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canid

04-24-2011, 05:57 PM

i've gone and done it; i'm making my own climbing equipment for my personal use.

i have plans to start fabricating much of my own gear; particularly that gear which would be much cheaper to make than to buy, but does not require specialized equipment.

for hardware, i'm limited at the moment to carbon steel or cold working, but i've started a number of tube chocks, nuts, pitons, and most recently some aid hooks (similar to Black Diamond's Cliffhanger hooks).

for pitons, i've finished my first of a batch of RURPs, but plan to make a bunch of them, some beaks, knifeblades/bugaboos, some other hooks.

i'm starting on the frame for a couple of single and double fixed pulley for hauling, and eventually i'll be making some ascenders.

some of the steel equipment like ascenders and pulleys will be a little heavier than the modern aluminum, but will work until i'm better equipped in the shop.

for soft goods, i will be making my own aiders and daisies from climb spec webbing.

[disclaimer: rock climbing and all rope-work at heights are inherently dangerous, and that danger is compounded when using equipment not certified for that purpose, or which does not meet the same standards. I am testing my equipment thoroughly and will not be asking anybody else to trust it's performance with their wellbeing. do not try this at home.]

i don't plan to get myself killed, but everybody cross your fingers anyway.

canid

04-24-2011, 06:13 PM

i've also started prototyping (cardboard conceptual mockups) for crampons and ice axes. for some reason, decent crampons and ice axes start from $100 and get much higher.

which i still stress that this is not an endorsement, the gear which does not need to be fall-rated lends itself partitularly to this endeavor. i plan to post build-along type information and pictures in this thread as time and camera batteries allow.

tipacanoe

04-24-2011, 06:53 PM

Ever check out second hand sport shops? I would think most equipment sold today is rated for at least 1/2 again the rated weight. Be careful and good luck.

canid

04-24-2011, 07:01 PM

it's rated for exactly what it's rated for. it may (or may not) survive forces in excess of the certified rating, but that's what the rating means. second hand climbing gear is at least as dubious as home made gear. if i make and test it myself, at least i know exactly what it's made of and what's been done to it. that carabiner, ascender or belay device somebody sold because they didn't trust it anymore could have taken a 20kn fall and have metal fatigue.

Rick

04-24-2011, 08:11 PM

I actually had quiet a conversation with Black Diamond last year. They rate their gear for climbing but not for extraction or rescue work. Go figure that one out.

Anywhoo. You know the risks inherent in making your own gear so no need to belabor that part. Good luck and post some pics. I would be most interested in seeing what you come up with.

crashdive123

04-24-2011, 08:36 PM

Looking forward to seeing what you end up making.

canid

05-04-2011, 02:33 AM

a little rough, but here are the first two of the aid climbing hooks i made:

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt106/canid/climbing%20gear/IMG_1924.jpg

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt106/canid/climbing%20gear/IMG_1926.jpg

i made the first one longer than i ended up making the second. i've now made a template, and when i have slightly wider flat-stock i will be making them to a consistent profile, and with a wider base. this would help with stability of any potentially wobbly placements, as the 'feet' at the base contact the rock and stop the wobbling from occurring. such movement could allow them to walk off their placement on a small ledge. these are made from the same carbon steel bed-frame stock i make most of my knives from. It turns out to be substantially thicker than needed for anything but the largest angle pitons or for knife-blades pitons. i'll probably use it for the sheaves of my first couple pulleys, just since i have a bunch of it laying around and it's strong enough.

more gear pictures to come when i have my ducks in a row.

canid

07-28-2011, 10:36 PM

not posting much, but i'm still on this project. i made a new pair of aid hooks today:

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt106/canid/climbing%20gear/th_IMG_2229.jpg (http://s602.photobucket.com/albums/tt106/canid/climbing%20gear/?action=view&current=IMG_2229.jpg)
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt106/canid/climbing%20gear/th_IMG_2227.jpg (http://s602.photobucket.com/albums/tt106/canid/climbing%20gear/?action=view&current=IMG_2227.jpg)

these are the short two on the 'biner. they have a sizable radius to the hook for placements on blunt flakes and a lip angle suitable for shallow cracks and seams.

JPGreco

07-28-2011, 10:51 PM

I say go for it. What's to say that the stuff you buy is better than stuff you can make at home (the non fall rated stuff). I would be willing to put money down that items that don't need to be certified for climbing can be questionable. I just look at all the stuff that is supposed to have been certified in one way or another and fails all over the market.

finallyME

07-29-2011, 10:35 AM

If I remember correctly, back in the day, all climbers made their own stuff. That way they knew what they were trusting their life on. Good luck.

canid

07-29-2011, 05:52 PM

sometimes so. they often had them made by specialist blacksmiths, and later, by the mountain equipment manufacturers in europe and later in north america. eventually, this created a sustainable industry for the specialized production of these equipment.

innovators in the climbing community have long designed their own gear, but this has mostly been when comparable - or even suitable - gear did not exist for a given purpose. the history of climbing equipment manufactures is one of these innovators ultimately building businesses from these products. Otto Herzog, Yvon Chouinard and Ray Jardine are good examples.

the fundamental distinction in modern mountain equipment is certification. you can't always know the ability or integrity of a climber or equipment manufacturer so governing bodies were formed in Europe (CE; required in europe and UIAA, a more stringent standard) and adopted in North America (UIAA) to devise standards which manufactures could comply with in order to sell climb-rated equipment of known minimum properties. This creates trust in consumers, and also offers legal protection for manufactures who are - after all - selling products under the claim that consumers can trust their lives or safety to them.

with my equipment, i know that if i have a failure and am injured, i am not likely to seek damages from myself. this might not be true of others if i were to allow them to have or use them.

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