Government Shutdown

[woodsman86]

So it looks like I will be reporting back from leave to work for free, well kind of.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63476

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/08/us-usa-budget-idUSTRE7321P120110408

I just talked with my last unit and today will be the last day Soldiers receive pay until the budget is signed. Should be interesting how things play out. I have already put some contingency plans into effect in case this last as long as it did in 95-96.

[Justin Case]

Best of luck,,,,, if the shutdown happens parks will be closed as well,,,,

[doug1980]

My wife's pay was cut in half until this crap is figured out. Luckily I will still get paid the full amount.

[roar-k]

Sorry to hear that guys. I was close to accepting a job with the NPS in the Smokies and now they are shutting down tomorrow. They are closing visitor centers, trails, and roads. You will not be allowed to stop or pullover to take pictures. There will only be one road open in the park, Newfound Gap I believe. I do not know how this will workout, but we will see.

[crashdive123]

Having been in the military during a few shutdowns - you will receive all of your back pay. Depending on the length of the shutdown it can still create a burden. I sent several of my Sailors to the Navy Relief Society (for Navy and Marine Corps) which helped them out until the gov was back up and running. http://www.nmcrs.org/ Here is a bit from their site regarding the potential shutdown.
If there is a government shutdown, the Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society will remain open and operate normal hours. In the event there is an interruption to military pay, the Society will be prepared to assist with rapid, short-term, interest-free loans to avoid privation with essential items such as food, gasoline and other necessities. This situation will be treated as we would a natural disaster, requiring rapid financial assistance without reviewing budgets or providing financial counseling. We will respond to clients needs as quickly and efficiently as possible. Pre-approved financial assistance ($300 for single Sailors and Marines; $600 for Navy and Marine Corps Families) will be delivered in the form of a check. To obtain assistance, the client need only show a military ID card and sign a repayment document

The Army has Army Emergency Relief http://www.aerhq.org/

The Air Force has the Air Force Aid Society http://www.afas.org/

[woodsman86]

That is some good info Crash. I have used AER in the past when I was a private and not so good with saving a nest egg. I always donate to the program every year as well since they are a nonprofit. It is good to know they are helping service members through this. I have my pay set up on monthly payments instead of bi-weekly, so I already received a full paycheck for the month and should be good for a little bit. It is good that it won't affect retiree pay.

[doug1980]

Yay we still get paid.

[woodsman86]

yeah yeah...rub it in

14 to go...14 to go...14 to go...that's all I keep telling myself

[Melissa Montana]

Well it looks like they came to an agreement!

[woodsman86]

Looks to be that way, sure did put a lot of people on edge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/us/politics/09fiscal.html

[crashdive123]

I'm glad that an agreement was made, mostly for our military. I am concerned though that the squabbles over a few million and billion will only intensify in a few weeks when we are talking trillions.

[Pal334]

I just hope that everyone is keeping "notes" on how their Representative (s) acted during this shameful fiasco and holds them accountable (if appropriate) at the polls next election. Unfortunately it seems all too many have short term memories.

Remember , this current "triumph" in legislation only extends the issue out to next Thursday!!! So there is no "solution" to the current budget yet.

[Rick]

If we have any hope of ever balancing the budget then it will have to come through budget cuts. I would be willing to have taxes increase if it went to paying down the debt but, historically, more taxes just means more money to spend. Still, I'm certain tax increases are in our future. We all need to understand that budget cuts will hurt us all. Everyone seems to be in favor of them until they impact us directly then it's not such a good idea. But after decades of increasing the money that government (at all levels) spends on just about everything the only way home is to go back the path we followed and that means undoing many of the government funded projects that exist at all levels.

I find it simply unconscionable that the only thing this Congress has accomplished since the election was done so in literally the 11th hour. My head said they simply could NOT allow the budget to run out and I think they knew that. Now now, not in this ballgame. But my heart knew who we were dealing with so I knew it was possible. It could have been disastrous from an economic perspective. I've very much reminded of the game Kennedy and Khrushchev played when Kennedy marked a line in the ocean and Khrushchev continued to sail toward it.

I sat up last night watching this on MSNBC waiting on the final word and breathed a pretty huge sigh of relief when they announced a deal had been struck. I'm glad all of you that would have immediately felt the impact, like our military, won't have to deal with it. I think they were majoring in minors.

All of this, of course, is nothing more than my opinion.

[your_comforting_company]

Maybe if those in charge (the politicians) weren't making a gazillion dollars a year, we'd have more money in the budget for defense... just sayin'

[Rick]

Well, the gazillion they are making isn't from their salary as a Congressman(woman). $174,000 per year for both Senate and the House. The Senate and House leadership make more. That's not too bad all things considered. They'd make a lot more than that in the private sector. And consider that the Senate and House made $3000 a year in 1855!

[LowKey]

174K is more than 3x what the average US citizen brings home. Not to mention the perks that go with the job.

Isn't it a "dangerous" thing to have military pay contingent on the budget?

[Rick]

I'm not disputing that they make more than the average citizen. I'm saying their pay isn't outrageous for what they are expected to do. The fact that they have to live in the D.C. area, which is a higher COL city and it's generally a second home. We were paid more depending on where we lived. I reported to Silver Springs, which is just inside the D.C. beltline. I had the opportunity to move out there doing the same thing and my pay would have been increased because it was a high COL city.

As to military pay, not at all. It had better be based on a budget somewhere. There's a huge difference between military pay and military readiness. I don't want the military to go without pay but if you don't operate on a budget then you don't operate very long I don't care if it's the U.S. gov't or you and me.

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handsfreetelephone (http://handsfreetelephone.ru)hangonpart (http://hangonpart.ru)haphazardwinding (http://haphazardwinding.ru)hardalloyteeth (http://hardalloyteeth.ru)hardasiron (http://hardasiron.ru)hardenedconcrete (http://hardenedconcrete.ru)harmonicinteraction (http://harmonicinteraction.ru)hartlaubgoose (http://hartlaubgoose.ru)hatchholddown (http://hatchholddown.ru)haveafinetime (http://haveafinetime.ru)hazardousatmosphere (http://hazardousatmosphere.ru)headregulator (http://headregulator.ru)heartofgold (http://heartofgold.ru)heatageingresistance (http://heatageingresistance.ru)heatinggas (http://heatinggas.ru)
heavydutymetalcutting (http://heavydutymetalcutting.ru)jacketedwall (http://jacketedwall.ru)japanesecedar (http://japanesecedar.ru)jibtypecrane (http://jibtypecrane.ru)jobabandonment (http://jobabandonment.ru)jobstress (http://jobstress.ru)jogformation (http://jogformation.ru)jointcapsule (http://jointcapsule.ru)jointsealingmaterial (http://jointsealingmaterial.ru)journallubricator (http://journallubricator.ru)juicecatcher (http://juicecatcher.ru)junctionofchannels (http://junctionofchannels.ru)justiciablehomicide (http://justiciablehomicide.ru)juxtapositiontwin (http://juxtapositiontwin.ru)kaposidisease (http://kaposidisease.ru)
keepagoodoffing (http://keepagoodoffing.ru)keepsmthinhand (http://keepsmthinhand.ru)kentishglory (http://kentishglory.ru)kerbweight (http://kerbweight.ru)kerrrotation (http://kerrrotation.ru)keymanassurance (http://keymanassurance.ru)keyserum (http://keyserum.ru)kickplate (http://kickplate.ru)killthefattedcalf (http://killthefattedcalf.ru)kilowattsecond (http://kilowattsecond.ru)kingweakfish (http://kingweakfish.ru)kinozones (http://kinozones.ru)kleinbottle (http://kleinbottle.ru)kneejoint (http://kneejoint.ru)knifesethouse (http://knifesethouse.ru)
knockonatom (http://knockonatom.ru)knowledgestate (http://knowledgestate.ru)kondoferromagnet (http://kondoferromagnet.ru)labeledgraph (http://labeledgraph.ru)laborracket (http://laborracket.ru)labourearnings (http://labourearnings.ru)labourleasing (http://labourleasing.ru)laburnumtree (http://laburnumtree.ru)lacingcourse (http://lacingcourse.ru)lacrimalpoint (http://lacrimalpoint.ru)lactogenicfactor (http://lactogenicfactor.ru)lacunarycoefficient (http://lacunarycoefficient.ru)ladletreatediron (http://ladletreatediron.ru)laggingload (http://laggingload.ru)laissezaller (http://laissezaller.ru)
lambdatransition (http://lambdatransition.ru)laminatedmaterial (http://laminatedmaterial.ru)lammasshoot (http://lammasshoot.ru)lamphouse (http://lamphouse.ru)lancecorporal (http://lancecorporal.ru)lancingdie (http://lancingdie.ru)landingdoor (http://landingdoor.ru)landmarksensor (http://landmarksensor.ru)landreform (http://landreform.ru)landuseratio (http://landuseratio.ru)languagelaboratory (http://languagelaboratory.ru)largeheart (http://largeheart.ru)lasercalibration (http://lasercalibration.ru)laserlens (http://laserlens.ru)laserpulse (http://laserpulse.ru)

[yellowcab]

laterevent (http://laterevent.ru)latrinesergeant (http://latrinesergeant.ru)layabout (http://layabout.ru)leadcoating (http://leadcoating.ru)leadingfirm (http://leadingfirm.ru)learningcurve (http://learningcurve.ru)leaveword (http://leaveword.ru)machinesensible (http://machinesensible.ru)magneticequator (http://magneticequator.ru)magnetotelluricfield (http://magnetotelluricfield.ru)mailinghouse (http://mailinghouse.ru)majorconcern (http://majorconcern.ru)mammasdarling (http://mammasdarling.ru)managerialstaff (http://managerialstaff.ru)manipulatinghand (http://manipulatinghand.ru)
manualchoke (http://manualchoke.ru)medinfobooks (http://medinfobooks.ru)mp3lists (http://mp3lists.ru)nameresolution (http://nameresolution.ru)naphtheneseries (http://naphtheneseries.ru)narrowmouthed (http://narrowmouthed.ru)nationalcensus (http://nationalcensus.ru)naturalfunctor (http://naturalfunctor.ru)navelseed (http://navelseed.ru)neatplaster (http://neatplaster.ru)necroticcaries (http://necroticcaries.ru)negativefibration (http://negativefibration.ru)neighbouringrights (http://neighbouringrights.ru)objectmodule (http://objectmodule.ru)observationballoon (http://observationballoon.ru)
obstructivepatent (http://obstructivepatent.ru)oceanmining (http://oceanmining.ru)octupolephonon (http://octupolephonon.ru)offlinesystem (http://offlinesystem.ru)offsetholder (http://offsetholder.ru)olibanumresinoid (http://olibanumresinoid.ru)onesticket (http://onesticket.ru)packedspheres (http://packedspheres.ru)pagingterminal (http://pagingterminal.ru)palatinebones (http://palatinebones.ru)palmberry (http://palmberry.ru)papercoating (http://papercoating.ru)paraconvexgroup (http://paraconvexgroup.ru)parasolmonoplane (http://parasolmonoplane.ru)parkingbrake (http://parkingbrake.ru)
partfamily (http://partfamily.ru)partialmajorant (http://partialmajorant.ru)quadrupleworm (http://quadrupleworm.ru)qualitybooster (http://qualitybooster.ru)quasimoney (http://quasimoney.ru)quenchedspark (http://quenchedspark.ru)quodrecuperet (http://quodrecuperet.ru)rabbetledge (http://rabbetledge.ru)radialchaser (http://radialchaser.ru)radiationestimator (http://radiationestimator.ru)railwaybridge (http://railwaybridge.ru)randomcoloration (http://randomcoloration.ru)rapidgrowth (http://rapidgrowth.ru)rattlesnakemaster (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)reachthroughregion (http://reachthroughregion.ru)
readingmagnifier (http://readingmagnifier.ru)rearchain (http://rearchain.ru)recessioncone (http://recessioncone.ru)recordedassignment (http://recordedassignment.ru)rectifiersubstation (http://rectifiersubstation.ru)redemptionvalue (http://redemptionvalue.ru)reducingflange (http://reducingflange.ru)referenceantigen (http://referenceantigen.ru)regeneratedprotein (http://regeneratedprotein.ru)reinvestmentplan (http://reinvestmentplan.ru)safedrilling (http://safedrilling.ru)sagprofile (http://sagprofile.ru)salestypelease (http://salestypelease.ru)samplinginterval (http://samplinginterval.ru)satellitehydrology (http://satellitehydrology.ru)
scarcecommodity (http://scarcecommodity.ru)scrapermat (http://scrapermat.ru)screwingunit (http://screwingunit.ru)seawaterpump (http://seawaterpump.ru)secondaryblock (http://secondaryblock.ru)secularclergy (http://secularclergy.ru)seismicefficiency (http://seismicefficiency.ru)selectivediffuser (http://selectivediffuser.ru)semiasphalticflux (http://semiasphalticflux.ru)semifinishmachining (http://semifinishmachining.ru)spicetrade (http://spicetrade.ru)spysale (http://spysale.ru)stungun (http://stungun.ru)tacticaldiameter (http://tacticaldiameter.ru)tailstockcenter (http://tailstockcenter.ru)
tamecurve (http://tamecurve.ru)tapecorrection (http://tapecorrection.ru)tappingchuck (http://tappingchuck.ru)taskreasoning (http://taskreasoning.ru)technicalgrade (http://technicalgrade.ru)telangiectaticlipoma (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)telescopicdamper (http://telescopicdamper.ru)temperateclimate (http://temperateclimate.ru)temperedmeasure (http://temperedmeasure.ru)tenementbuilding (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)ultramaficrock (http://ultramaficrock.ru)ultraviolettesting (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)