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firststrike
03-21-2011, 08:00 PM
Does any one know how to build a Hydro electric power plant to power their cabon or house if so please shair the information.
Rick
03-21-2011, 08:03 PM
You haven't bothered with an introduction. If you choose not to post one that's up to you. But, frankly, you come across like you might be rather young. Perhaps, 10 or 12. If you are not, I apologize but that's the risk you run when you don't post an introduction and tell us a bit about yourself. Can you at least give me an age ball park so we can take your questions seriously?
Justin Case
03-21-2011, 08:18 PM
Does any one know how to build a Hydro electric power plant to power their cabon or house if so please shair the information.

Do you want to build this hydro electric power plant to go with your hand dug well you are asking about in the other thread ?
your_comforting_company
03-21-2011, 08:21 PM
That would be quite a combination.. hydro power for pumping water. not even necessarily electric.

I have some formulas around here somewhere that might help, but I'd really like to know a little bit about who I'm talking to.
OhioGrizzLapp
03-21-2011, 08:32 PM
Why do you even need electricty?? I have always been worn ragged as to why a person feels they need to have any thing electric when making a homestead??????
Justin Case
03-21-2011, 08:41 PM
Gotta charge the Ipod ;)
JPGreco
03-21-2011, 08:47 PM
Take 1 river and add 1 generator. Thats it.
Rick
03-21-2011, 10:39 PM
Stirred, not shaken.
hunter63
03-21-2011, 11:03 PM
Good site for enegry issues.
http://www.builditsolar.com/
finallyME
03-22-2011, 10:19 AM
You need a river and a turbine with a generator. You put the turbine in the river. Orientation is somewhat important. Pretty simple really.
canid
03-22-2011, 11:15 AM
the primary item of interest toward that end is alternator for producing (alternating) electric current. depending on your needs, you will most likely then need to look into a rectifier and a regulated power supply circuit. while not that complicated, some research will be involved, as well as a basic understanding of electric networks.

if you where to tell us what your specific electric needs where likely to be that would help us give you some better advise.
hunter63
03-22-2011, 11:16 AM
Why do you even need electricty?? I have always been worn ragged as to why a person feels they need to have any thing electric when making a homestead??????

You don't "Need" electricty....But after doing it both ways, with/with out, with really opens up all the new fangled labor saving do-dads and such.
kyratshooter
03-22-2011, 11:26 AM
Do you want to build this hydro electric power plant to go with your hand dug well you are asking about in the other thread ?

If you have acess to surface water why are you digging a well? A shallow hand dug well is going to have just as many pollutants as the surface water.

As far as hydro power goes, a quick google search will give you thousands of hits, including bicycle power, vertical turbines and all sorts of goodies. The real trick is finding a generator that will produce current at low RPM.
Justin Case
03-22-2011, 11:30 AM
If you have acess to surface water why are you digging a well? A shallow hand dug well is going to have just as many pollutants as the surface water.

As far as hydro power goes, a quick google search will give you thousands of hits, including bicycle power, vertical turbines and all sorts of goodies. The real trick is finding a generator that will produce current at low RPM.

I was being facisous fashishas faseeshas,,,,,, A SmartA$$ ;)
EdD270
03-23-2011, 10:11 PM
I suggest you look at the Backwoods Home Magazine's website, www.backwoodshome.com, and read articles by Jeff Yago. He's an engineer who's written several articles about micro-hydro electrical generation for cabins, etc. He writes in good detail about how to design and build the systems, but does so in a clear way that anyone can understand, even me.
firststrike
03-24-2011, 07:15 PM
Hi i am a 46 year old mail looking for information on how to build my survival cabon i would like to use solor power as much as posible.But i know their is limitations on it that is why i am asking about hydro electric i know it is used in a large way to power citys.But i do not know if any one has ever tried to build a small system to power their homes .
LowKey
03-24-2011, 07:21 PM
A few have tried here. Good luck with the permits. Lots more red tape than anyone realizes. I only know of a few that actually succeeded in getting a permit through and 2 of them were National Parks. They have an in with the Guberment.
Rick
03-24-2011, 08:38 PM
Back when Hectar was a just a pup hydroelectric was a thingie of the rich (I don't know if they were famous, too) but they did run DC hydro generators to light their homes. Castle In The Clouds was the estate of Tom Plant in New Hampshire. It was powered by a DC generator turned by water piped from the lake above it.

46 years old, huh?
gryffynklm
03-24-2011, 09:47 PM
On the sacle you are looking at the general term used is micro hydroelectric There is a bunch of information out there but I haven't done much research on this subject so I have little advice beyond doing a web search on micro hydroelectric.
finallyME
03-25-2011, 02:15 PM
Well, based on your writing style I would have guessed you to be a teenager. Anyways...

Yeah, there are people who have done it. If you have a running stream on your property, then it isn't that hard. I don't have running water on my property, so I haven't done it. It is almost identical with wind generators. The only difference is the type of turbine. Everything else is the same. A lot is written on wind power. In fact, if you get a wind system, then attaching another generator with a different turbine for the water is really easy. Or, the other way, once you have a water system, it is supper easy to just connect a wind turbine with a generator to the system. Most of your cost is in the "other" stuff. In fact, the "other" stuff is the same stuff for solar cells, so you might as well throw them up as well.
LowKey
03-25-2011, 07:23 PM
Hmm... If your stream doesn't have enough power for a turbine, can you install a ram, pump it into a tower and run a penstock turbine with it using gravity? Or is that violating some law of physics somewhere...
hunter63
03-25-2011, 08:28 PM
So for all the home builders both water and wind........Try this.....find a auto generator or even a alternator, (alt. needs voltage to make coils work, though) put a pulley on it 6" or so, and try turning it by hand.

This will give you an idea of the power it takes to make electricity. and your only talking 40 to 90watts of 12 v DC.
So you need a lot of speed/gearing or a lot of power to make enough torque to turn the pully.
Ssgt_DimeBag
03-27-2011, 01:58 PM
Does any one know how to build a Hydro electric power plant to power their cabon or house if so please shair the information.

No I don't ,but if someone on here did and had the money to do it then I think most of us would be hooked onto his or her grid.
Just my two cents......In fact that was only a penny's worth......coffee costs you know.Lol
canid
03-27-2011, 02:30 PM
A small setup using a permanent magnet alternator isn't very dificult or expensive. Larger systems certainly are.
http://iuhuru.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/hydroelectric-dam.jpg
finallyME
03-28-2011, 11:07 AM
Hmm... If your stream doesn't have enough power for a turbine, can you install a ram, pump it into a tower and run a penstock turbine with it using gravity? Or is that violating some law of physics somewhere...

You would use more electricity to pump the water up than you would get when it fell.
finallyME
03-28-2011, 11:13 AM
So for all the home builders both water and wind........Try this.....find a auto generator or even a alternator, (alt. needs voltage to make coils work, though) put a pulley on it 6" or so, and try turning it by hand.

This will give you an idea of the power it takes to make electricity. and your only talking 40 to 90watts of 12 v DC.
So you need a lot of speed/gearing or a lot of power to make enough torque to turn the pully.

You don't need an auto generator or an alternator to get power. You can use almost any PM generator out there and size it to your power input. But, you are right that a stream doesn't have unlimited power. By doing a flow rate calculation, you can figure out how much energy the stream has. And with that, you know you will only get a lower power output with any contraption you build.
hunter63
03-28-2011, 12:45 PM
You don't need an auto generator or an alternator to get power. You can use almost any PM generator out there and size it to your power input. But, you are right that a stream doesn't have unlimited power. By doing a flow rate calculation, you can figure out how much energy the stream has. And with that, you know you will only get a lower power output with any contraption you build.

Yeah, I know, but there are a lot of people out there that are math-less, (including me) and I just wanted a quick illustration of what it would take.

I have been very interested in alt. energy for a long time, heating, elect. etc.

Mostly after doing a energy audit, it didn't take long to realize that it was by far cheaper to conserve energy than to create/store usable energy as you never really "create" it, but change one form to a usable form....... Ex: Sunlight=heat, wind= electricity. water=heat or electricity.

Most people have no clue of their usage, when it's cheap.
Example; DD and SIL live in an all electric house, in an area that loses power real regular form ice storms, hurricanes etc.

They burned up a 7500w generator, (sounded like a BIG number to the SIL) trying to run, the central A/C, and elect water heater (2 elements, @8000 w each) plus lights, TV, micro wave, stove fridge, freezer, etc.
Right on the box of the new gen-set was a chart (rough but pretty good), that listed the usage of most appliances....What a surprise!

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/cost.html

Home Power mag, good reference.


http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Hydro/hydro.htm
canid
03-28-2011, 01:06 PM
absolutely; reduction is the biggest part of energy problems. in lighting for example is it good to consider that energy requirements drop if one both 1.) audits the actual requirements for luminous output. this may consist of deciding not to directly light areas which can be comfortably accommodated by ambient illumination and 2.) audits the practical consideration of one lighting technology over another. e.g. if one is producing or storing 12-24vDC and needn't transmit current far enough to suffer considerable transmission losses, it could pay to use dc current directly for lighting, particularly in cases where such lighting would give the greater luminous efficiency.

of course if a person does not wish to work all this out and does not want to take the word of somebody with more experience, the entire feasibility of alternative energy sources should possibly be re-thought. many people just don't have the time and energy to get into it. otherwise, it's just about as much fun to get into as any other hobby.
hunter63
03-28-2011, 02:08 PM
Our cabin is on a fair sized river, good flow, but The DNR has more rules and regs about ANYTHING that has anything to do with it.
I discounted any thought of this option (hydro) as the legalities far out weigh any possible benefit, cost/time/BS wise.
Advice to anyone, turn off unwanted appliances, lights.....learn to do with out.

And do your home work...........
The question, has anyone HERE done this (hydro), I'm guessing the answer is no.
canid
03-28-2011, 02:48 PM
I have not, and am only studying it. I have only known a couple of people who have.
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