"Intentional".....Pre-planed long-term WILDERNESS Existing.

[Sourdough]

OK, I chose each word of the thread title carefully. The thread is NOT a debate as to whether it is possible. We know it is possible (It was done for hundreds of years). What I request is what would it really be like, what would really be needed.....?

As a starting point for departure this post from another thread by Alaskan Survivalist serves as a start:

"There are 3 principals or combination to meet your needs and achieve this, what you can carry, what you can make or find and knowing what you can live without. The more you can carry the less you will need to find, make or live without. The more you can make or find the less you have to carry or live without. The more you can live without the less you need to carry, find or make. This will vary from one individual to the next. Finding that balance is the challenge".

[Rick]

I hate to be a spoiled sport but it's a lot different for surviving in Alaska than it is in Louisiana. Maybe you should narrow the terms.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?5477-Survival-Scenario-Check-List

[Sourdough]

I hate to be a spoiled sport but it's a lot different for surviving in Alaska than it is in Louisiana. Maybe you should narrow the terms.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?5477-Survival-Scenario-Check-List

NO.....I don't want this to be a scenario thread. I request that it be more: We can do it, and "ONE" important factor will be.....?????? For example: I feel strongly that access to food like fish (Year around access to fish) is one important factor. Think of it in terms of training a 10 year old for 12 years, till he/she was 22 years old. What skills would then need....? And they would be different of different locations, yes.
Patience would be universal, ability to endure pain and hardship would be universal. Need for good eyesight and strong body would be universal.

[Pal334]

I would think at least rudimentary medical skills.

Basic hand tool skills.

[JPGreco]

I'm sure it can be done, even in today's age. To the extent you want to do it, you could live quite comfortably.

It depends on how you want to live. If its an area you can haul stuff into, but still be far away from people or if its truly a wilderness.

[randyt]

that 12 year old kid would need to be taught how to adapt, improvise and overcome, more of a mindset. Sadly it would be easier to teach that to a kid than a adult.

there would be so much to learn. I would think learning to store surpluses would be very important. This skill would help level out the ups and downs of the seasons.

[Sourdough]

I look at just like living where and how I live. I was not sure that I could do it, at 60'ish. I don't have to live how I do, but it is nice to know that I can. I see the next step as 60 days (May & June) Alaska living alone on the move (about 10 miles per day) living off the fish and game.

Then the next step would be 180 Days (April 12 to October 12'th). I am very clear that I would die if I went much beyond the 180 days described, mostly because of lack of food, extreme cold, and lacking the mental endurance at this point in my life.

[SARKY]

We must conclude that environment is a deciding factor. A more temperate zone would be easier to live in year round as would a tropical environment. Less calories expended to just stay warm. Game/fish year round and the same with plant life.

[Sourdough]

We must conclude that environment is a deciding factor. A more temperate zone would be easier to live in year round as would a tropical environment. Less calories expended to just stay warm. Game/fish year round and the same with plant life.

Yes, I agree 100%.........This seems so obvious to us, but it seems many adults, and nearly all sub-adults do not consider this key fact. Most obsess about the proper equipment, but without an abundant food source the best planned equipment and training is mute.

[Rick]

Well, the truth is many adults and nearly all sub-adults wouldn't even consider spending a week outdoors. So they have no reason to consider that or anything else that goes with it.

[OhioGrizzLapp]

Discipline more than gear will be needed. Mindset, rather then a gadget. A set standard of daily chores and adjusts that even one day gone without will set you back. Daily water, daily sustanance, daily meat and food maintenance, ability to mend clothes, make tools, apply medical methods, personal hygene, personal protection to include long distance, Animal CQB, abilility to use all parts of an animal and as well as plants. Even knowing how to properly crap in the wilderness can be a deciding factor in your success. Considerations in portage and/or water navigation may be needed.

It is NOT impossible by any means. Small or seemingly small set backs can be your death in a moments notice. I would wonder what your fall back or back up plans are. What are your considerations to serious medical issues?

You ask what would it be like....I suggest you read Jim Bridgers mem as well as Jedidiah Smiths chronicals.... they really tell what it is like on a daily basis in long term stays in the wilderness.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/hns/mtmen/jimbrid.html

SD... before you head out, please set in your will that I get one of your .375 H&H or a .458 Mags :) I am sure Scott will take the outhouse LOLOLOL

[Justin Case]

Does it come with a gun ?

[JPGreco]

Well I don't consider long term wilderness survival meaning constant movement and always having just what you carry.

Think about the Homesteaders of early America. Technically, that was wilderness survival. They went to unsettled areas and built a home and survived. That was a wilderness, and they survived. Look at Siberia. There are nomadic tribes that survive. Yes, it can be done without question. I agree that the single most important aspect would be mental fortitude. Being able to leave it all behind. If you can't leave it, all the skill in the world won't matter because you will be back.

[OhioGrizzLapp]

Scott, no gun, but you do need to make an out house door for it LOL

[Sourdough]

I agree that the single most important aspect would be mental fortitude. .

I respectfully disagree, access to food is the single most important aspect. By food I mean small animals (Fish, Groundhogs, Otters, Beaver, Etc.).

Remember this is not Bug'Out. This is a self-supporting LOOOOONG walk'about.

[randyt]

We must conclude that environment is a deciding factor. A more temperate zone would be easier to live in year round as would a tropical environment. Less calories expended to just stay warm. Game/fish year round and the same with plant life.

I don't know what to think about the environment as a major factor. Every area would have it's own unique challenges. Take the tropics for example, some of the parasites are horrid. Like that one that comes out the ankle and to cure it you pull out a inch a day and cut it off, after several weeks it's gone. Then there's poisonous critters, disease and such. I feel it's all in preparation and gaining skills for the area a guy is apt to be in. A Eskimo in the Sahara has about as much chance of making it as a Bedouin in the arctic. There has to be some preparation in advance for any chance of success.

[DOGMAN]

I respectfully disagree, access to food is the single most important aspect. By food I mean small animals (Fish, Groundhogs, Otters, Beaver, Etc.).

Remember this is not Bug'Out. This is a self-supporting LOOOOONG walk'about.

I have mixed emotions on this (which is more important) if you read old journals of explorers meeting the Inuit, they often talk about how they would meet a half-starved Inuit band that had not eaten in several days...but was still going about there business of trying to hunt and gather....hoping that they might come across "Blood on the Ice" tomorrow or the next day! Mental fortitude is pretty damned important for those unplanned days of no food in between kills

[JPGreco]

I will retract the most imporant part, since really, anything can be labeled as such. However, it is the most important INTANGIBLE aspect of long term survival in the wilderness. There are a lot of people in the world with the same skill sets or the same potential, the only difference being mental fortitude that determines success. There are plenty of tails of survival based on nothing more than the will to go on as well.

I still think it would not remain a walkabout, but that you would hunker down once you found an area that would supply your needs. Even nomadic tribes follow a predictable path, which isn't really a walkabout. I mean, as I've learned from this site, survival isn't something you want to be doing long term. Maybe your first couple of weeks would be more survival, but if it was a planned long term wilderness life, you would be prepared and follow that plan. It may only be semantics, but I believe with a well laid plan, it wouldn't be long term survival, but long term living.

[OhioGrizzLapp]

I agree JP, mindset is the absolute most important part. With proper mindset, if there is game to be had, then you will get it. If you set out on this adventure in the wrong season or wrong place without first studying it and knowing if game is there then you are FUBAR. But....if game is there, you need the mindset to gather 3200 or more calories a day if you are doing 10 miles a day, with pack and somewhat decent weather. Fish are too lean, otters not enough, decent sized beaver and groundhogs may be just the right size with a fat to protien ratio that will sustain you, but not enough of the essential vitamins for other issues. Will you take a bottle of 60 vitamins with you to suppliment loss of a rounded diet?

You stated you worded the heading carefully, so by existing, you want to minimally make it through each day? My goal would be to thrive, not just to exist.

Have you pre-studied weather information for those 60 days? you can get detailed reports on expectations on weather patterns at the weatherchannel.com or via the FAA/TGA. You being a commercial pilot should know how important this issue is. At what aspect ratio will the sun be for those 60 days, what cycle?

Have you studied the AK DNR for animal populations in the directions you plan on going?

Since you are moving forward 10 miles a day, trapping is pretty much out.

Have you considered 2-legged creatures, what are you prepped to do against hostels?

Have you studied calorie and content for the animals you feel you will be eating? How many of what animal or plant will you need to keep at that 3200 calories per day?

Your ammo, have you planned on at least 3 rounds a day or more?

How will you be fishing? trap, net, line, shooting, spearing, noodeling?

Have you planned on breakage of every item you take and what it will take to replace, repair or make?

Will you be keeping a log, diary or sketch book of each days events?

In the thick of all this adventure, what is your fall back plan?

Who comes to look for you on the 63rd day, or do you have a planned set of contact points scheduled via sat phone or signals left on the ground?

Major medical: Not first aid, I am talking heart attack, stroke, broken bones, nasty cuts, spragns, animal bites or attacks, hypo/hyper thermia?

Are you eating wild game daily now, the ones you intend to eat on the adventure to make sure your system will not purge them and cause diariha or other gastro-intenstinal issues, you will be eating them each day, not just once in awhile or on Sundays.

Do you have an end location planned or just wherever you end up? How ill you return?

Have you thought about pre-dropped prior to the adventure of small re-supply containers. You will be going 600 miles, maybe one every 150 - 250 miles with a gun spare parts kit, ammo, knife and non parishable foods? Even if no foods, maybe expendable gear?

These are just some thoughts on some of the things I would be thinking about in such a long term adventure.

Regards,
Mike :)

[Alaskan Survivalist]

SD, Have you considered a dog? The more you hunt with them the better they get and better company than most people.

[Rick]

I think we may be taking some of this out of context. If you look at any past peoples it wasn't mental toughness that kept them going. It's all they knew. There was no other way of life. Starving Inuits grew up as starving Inuits or whatever group you want to look at. I'm not discounting the need for mental toughness I'm just saying that we are looking at others through our own eyes and that might not be a good reference point.

Homesteaders of early America took everything with them they could carry whether that was by wagon or by pack horse or mule. They didn't settle until they had found a place that had everything they needed to survive.

One other thought. Some folks might well be able to live for a year in the wilderness. Just remember that you only hear about the 1% that were successful. You don't hear much about the 99% that either gave up and went home or died in the process. (those are my numbers. I just offered them to illustrate my point).

[Sourdough]

It is interesting, that even though the Original Post made it clear that this was not a survival situation, many respondents (not all) took it in that direction.

It seems clear that "OUR" thinking is not objective, but first filtered through, "Can I do That" and next "Do I think anyone could do that" and finally "No one would ever want to do that".

I'll bet that if it was an international Olympic event and youth started training at age 5 like they do for figure skating, we would be surprised at the outcome. Look at the things humans do in the Olympics that would be imposable if you did not see it with your own eyes.

[Rick]

I agree that it can be done. But, like the Olympics, there's only one winner and a lot that didn't win. I don't think the majority could live that way but there certain are those that have and could do it.

[Sourdough]

I was born under a wandrin' star
I was born under a wandrin' star
Wheels are made for rolling, mules are made to pack
I've never seen a sight that didn't look better looking back
I was born under a wandrin' star

Mud can make you prisoner and the plains can bake you dry
Snow can burn your eyes, but only people make you cry
Home is made for coming from, for dreams of going to
Which with any luck will never come true
I was born under a wandrin' star
I was born under a wandrin' star

[hunter63]

I wish to offer an observation.

I guess I have to wonder where this is going or supposed to go.
SD, no offence intended, but there seems to be a underlying theme that you are trying to get at.

It's just interesting that you seem to get touchy when thread goes a different direction then what was intended? Even though most are honestly trying to stay on message.

Age and experience give everyone different skills, views and beliefs, and mostly people tend to rely on personnel experience....hence scenarios.

Just an observation, but all of us do not live in Alaska, so are relating our own experiences.
My apologies if I'm missing something, as I really enjoy hearing and in a way experiencing the things you have seen/done in your life.........

[tsitenha]

As in the Olympics those who are successfull have a myriad of coaches behind them guiding their way. To live not just exist needs skills sets that need to be learnt and practised.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I'll bet that if it was an international Olympic event and youth started training at age 5 like they do for figure skating, we would be surprised at the outcome. Look at the things humans do in the Olympics that would be imposable if you did not see it with your own eyes.

You mean like this.

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg346/akmofo/scan0001-1.jpg

It is more than most can fathom and different when it becomes your life but I do enjoy the speculations posted. I'm here to explore how people think and this thread is rich in that regard. The real test of is how you embrace the reality of the situation you find yourself in and not any preconcieved ideas. I truly am greatful for what I am learning and try to give back things I know but I am still learning to put things in terms it will be accepted. The wilderness will not be as accomidating as I am. Open your eyes, ears and mind to the possibilties. This is the strenght of man anywhere.

[crashdive123]

This really isn't a subject that I have thought too much about, but we all do it every day - albeit not necessarily in a wilderness setting. I think that there are several important issues that come into play. Firstly location. There is a reason that the majority of the world's population lives near water. Obviously water is needed to sustain life, but the water can be a great source of food. Without either the long term part becomes more difficult. I also think that if one is able, choosing a more temperate climate would be preferable. Longer growing seasons mean more food as well. This isn't to say that these things are a must, but rather things that for a sustainable existence will make life easier (not sure if that is the right word). A more temperate climate also means that more of your time can be devoted to things other than staying warm. If this is not a solo journey, then division of labor certainly is an important aspect of long term sustainability.

Skills are certainly an important part of the equation. Fishing, hunting, making cordage, butchering, tanning, building, problem solving, first aid knowledge and skill, sewing, gardening, using hand tools (shovel, saw, axe, hammer, brace, draw knife, etc.), building, delivering a baby, how to swim, cooking, preserving food...... The list could be endless, and obviously the more you know, the (using that word again) easier life will be.

[Sourdough]

At first, I thought this thread was about pre-planning for long-term wilderness existing which to me equates to identifying/locating a place or two with the right resources and at least construct a shelter to process/store supplies for difficult times. Then I thought the thread turned towards pre-planning for an indefinite walk-about averaging 10 miles per day and collecting food while moving. I believe the walk-about concept is the current topic.

The OP lives in a location that is as abundant with animals/fish/plants within a 10-20 mile radius as the average location in South Central. Instead of a 60 day walk-about, a better first step may be to first practice daily foraging/havesting using current dwelling as a home-base. Each morning, pass up the old coffee and simmering pot of beans, and instead put on the daypack and grab the new rifle and go about the task of provding for that days calories. Extend to a couple days out if desired. Valuable knowledged of local resources would be gained and I suspect any weight loss goals would be quickly achieved.

Yes, that is a good first step. And oddly enough just yesterday, before coffee, I found 5 nice fresh goose eggs.

[Rick]

Any man with brave enough to take five eggs from the killer attack geese can last indefinitely with nothing more than a song.

[OhioGrizzLapp]

I presented my questions, observations and suggestion in a matter of fact notion. SD, you seem to ask questions that you already have a set answer to and not happy when someone questions your decisions.

I plan my outings very carfully and take due dilligence in those plans. I do not under gun, under knife or under plan an event. To do so is reckless and dangerous, not just to you, but those around you that care for and about you.

I admire your tenasity and fortitude, but I do disagree with many of your appearant pre-made decisions on this adventure.

To each their own......I will however refrain from responding anymore to vague and hidden meaning posts, especially ones where you already know the dang answer.

If you honestly do not want observation and suggestions, then why ask for them in such a errant manner?

[DOGMAN]

OK, I chose each word of the thread title carefully. The thread is NOT a debate as to whether it is possible. We know it is possible (It was done for hundreds of years). What I request is what would it really be like, what would really be needed.....?

As a starting point for departure this post from another thread by Alaskan Survivalist serves as a start:

"There are 3 principals or combination to meet your needs and achieve this, what you can carry, what you can make or find and knowing what you can live without. The more you can carry the less you will need to find, make or live without. The more you can make or find the less you have to carry or live without. The more you can live without the less you need to carry, find or make. This will vary from one individual to the next. Finding that balance is the challenge".


Going back to the original question..."what would it really be like"....there are just so many variables according to individuals and location- and how long of a time we're talking. . But for me, it would be a blast. I would love to give it a try...if i could come back to my normal life and still have a wife, and well-adjusted young son who both loved me,and there were no bill/debt collectors hounding me I'd do it in a heart-beat.
I have spent lots of time living in wild places- in tipi's, a yurt, a tent a cabin I built- you name it I've pretty much lived in it through all seasons. I'd like to try to live like this for a year...that is a relatively short time, but long enough to really due the test and see what its really like. I think for me, it would be some really hard times, followed by some really high times. In this area, i would live really well in the summer and fall, then live off lots of Elk, fish, and porcupine in the winter....I have a pretty good idea of what it would be like for a year...beyond that, I dont know...I am willing to give it a try if you guys will raise the money to pay for it.

[JPGreco]

I'm sure it can be done, even in today's age. To the extent you want to do it, you could live quite comfortably.

It depends on how you want to live. If its an area you can haul stuff into, but still be far away from people or if its truly a wilderness.

I believe I answered honestly in my first post. Without more parameters, its hard to say how it would be to live in the wilderness. However, if your plan is to constantly wander, then it is survival. If you are wandering, even with a specific location to get to in so many days time, you are relying on what you can find. I consider that surviving, not living. However, if your goal is to up and leave society all together and live on your own terms in the wilderness on your own plot of 100 acres, then it can be done. You would be like any number of groups of people from history through modern times. Early American homesteaders would be the best analogy I can think of. You would strike out, find a location, build a life (which includes homesteading, raising livestock, gardening, etc, etc, etc). That would be living since you have taken more direct control of your situation and not relying on what you find or stumble upon, but rather what you can grow and raise. You have a definite place to go in inclement weather, etc, etc, etc. At least thats my opinion on what a long term stay in the wilds is. If you have a different opinion or plan on the matter, then thats why my view would be in conflict.

Following a herd is also not wandering in my opinion, it is migrating, with a food source that you follow. Wander has a pointless or mindless overture to it in my opinion.

[Sourdough]

Do you notice only one person felt that they could do it.......AS IT WAS LAID OUT. Everyone wants to change it because it does not make sense.

I'll endeavor to make this simple, And Change the 10 mile requirement to 5 miles.

1). You must move (5) Five miles every day on average or you will be killed. Note: you could do 10 miles one day and none the next day. The point is you have to keep moving, You can't build a homestead, or nice shelter.

2). You will have to get your food from the environment.

3). The "WHY" is not important, if you need a why.......you are being hunted and wanted dead or alive. The Why does not matter.

4). I guess in theory you could loop around to an earlier campsite and improve it, but you must move 5 miles the next day.

OK, pretend there is a million dollar prize to the first person in American to do this, having started after April 10'th 2011 Plus you get to be a real hero, and write a book about the adventure.

I find it interesting that people want to change the original post because it does not make sense. Only Dogman was willing to accept the challenge unaltered.

I could NOT do it. Not for one year. Maybe I could do it for 6 months......Maybe. Mostly what I am looking for is a valid argument that the procurement of food would be the key to success or death.

[crashdive123]

My bad I guess. I used posts 1 & 3 to answer. Tried not to change anything.

[EdD270]

What you're talking about is what I call "wilderness living" rather than "survival". Best example I know of is Dick Proenekke, who went into the Alaskan bush and built a cabin and lived there for some years. It was interesting to me that he took in lots of tools and only one rifle. He had years of experience using his tools to build things, great to own the skills.
I'd say preparatory to going to the bush to live, you need to get a good education in the building trades and etc. to learn how to make things, then take tools with you to do what you need done.

[JPGreco]

Do you notice only one person felt that they could do it.......AS IT WAS LAID OUT. Everyone wants to change it because it does not make sense.

I'll endeavor to make this simple, And Change the 10 mile requirement to 5 miles.

1). You must move (5) Five miles every day on average or you will be killed. Note: you could do 10 miles one day and none the next day. The point is you have to keep moving, You can't build a homestead, or nice shelter.

2). You will have to get your food from the environment.

3). The "WHY" is not important, if you need a why.......you are being hunted and wanted dead or alive. The Why does not matter.

4). I guess in theory you could loop around to an earlier campsite and improve it, but you must move 5 miles the next day.

OK, pretend there is a million dollar prize to the first person in American to do this, having started after April 10'th 2011 Plus you get to be a real hero, and write a book about the adventure.

I find it interesting that people want to change the original post because it does not make sense. Only Dogman was willing to accept the challenge unaltered.

I could NOT do it. Not for one year. Maybe I could do it for 6 months......Maybe. Mostly what I am looking for is a valid argument that the procurement of food would be the key to success or death.

Well those are very important parameters of the scenario. Your original post just said long term survival in the wilderness and what was needed. I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, but the original post was answered. You need the basic skills of survival and the ability to leave society. Living would be made easier if you homesteaded, which would require focus on certain skills. However, constant moving has its own set of skills needed. You don't need to know how to garden or raise animals or build complex structures. You need to know how to forage, hunt, have the physical ability, build small structures, and cover tracks and protect yourself. I mean, yeah, we could list the skills needed, but they wouldn't be very different from the skillsets for surviving a SHTF scenario, just on a longer time line.

[Sourdough]

What you're talking about is what I call "wilderness living" rather than "survival". Best example I know of is Dick Proenekke, who went into the Alaskan bush and built a cabin and lived there for some years. It was interesting to me that he took in lots of tools and only one rifle. He had years of experience using his tools to build things, great to own the skills.
I'd say preparatory to going to the bush to live, you need to get a good education in the building trades and etc. to learn how to make things, then take tools with you to do what you need done.

I knew Dick and I Homesteaded on Lake Clark about 40 miles from him. BUT That is NOT what this is. It is Not Homesteading, it is being on the move, and subsisting on the environment for food.

[Sourdough]

OK, I chose each word of the thread title carefully. The thread is NOT a debate as to whether it is possible. We know it is possible (It was done for hundreds of years). What I request is what would it really be like, what would really be needed.....?

As a starting point for departure this post from another thread by Alaskan Survivalist serves as a start:

"There are 3 principals or combination to meet your needs and achieve this, what you can carry, what you can make or find and knowing what you can live without. The more you can carry the less you will need to find, make or live without. The more you can make or find the less you have to carry or live without. The more you can live without the less you need to carry, find or make. This will vary from one individual to the next. Finding that balance is the challenge".

THIS IS The Original Post...............WHERE Oh' Where is the word "Survival" You guys keep adding stuff, It is not about survival, it is not about building a homestead, or a deluxe camp-site. It is about GOING for a WALK.....WALK five miles per day, eating what you can catch, fish/game or plants.

[Rick]

That would be a tough proposition and really dependent upon your knowledge of plants year round. I suppose I could do it in the summer but winter would be just plain tough. Animals do it so I guess I could to. I might not starve to death over the winter but I'll bet I'd be pretty skinny come spring.

[JPGreco]

Well you're original post also didn't say anything about the constant movement. My first understanding, albeit apparently wrong, from the title of the thread and the original post was what does it take to live in the wilderness for an extended period of time and what skills are necessary. Thats what I got out of it. All the walkabout stuff came later in the thread, which altered my responses, to the point that one of your last posts, to simplify it, was that you HAD to move or you die, which lead me to the assumption that its a survival situation.

I guess every conclusion I came to based on the information given was wrong so I'll just leave this thread now.

[Sourdough]

[QUOTE=Sourdough;287808]OK, I chose each word of the thread title carefully. The thread is NOT a debate as to whether it is possible. We know it is possible (It was done for hundreds of years). What I request is what would it really be like, what would really be needed.....?

OK, I'll attempt to answer my own Question, to hopefully get this on track.....

Answer: It would be very, very, very lonely to go for a long period with NO Human contact. It would be very stressful also, and most likely very depressing at times. It would be cold and wet and miserable much of the time.
I should think somethings you would need are lots and lots of fishing gear, including nets. I should think (3) Three .22 Long rifle cartridges per day would be on the safe side, so figure about 1,100 rimfire cartridges. I would start out of the box thinking on the rifle.......for example: a Remington Nylon 66 bolt action cut off at the pistol grip, and epoxy a good scope inplace and then wrap the scope and firearm with layers of fiberglass and epoxy. This may not be the best idea, but is an example of creating a durable firearm that maybe ugly but functional. Suggest one fresh blade for the bow saw per month, and as they are light maybe 18 blades for the 365 days........etc. etc. etc. you get the idea........?

[Sourdough]

I presented my questions, observations and suggestion in a matter of fact notion. SD, you seem to ask questions that you already have a set answer to and not happy when someone questions your decisions.

I plan my outings very carefully and take due diligence in those plans. I do not under gun, under knife or under plan an event. To do so is reckless and dangerous, not just to you, but those around you that care for and about you.

I admire your tenacity and fortitude, but I do disagree with many of your appearant pre-made decisions on this adventure.

To each their own......I will however refrain from responding anymore to vague and hidden meaning posts, especially ones where you already know the dang answer.

If you honestly do not want observation and suggestions, then why ask for them in such a errant manner?

Of course I have my ideas, but I will not bet my life that there are not better ideas. So I want as many ideas as possible. Maybe there is a firearm I have not considered, maybe there is a fishing method I have not considered. There is no right or wrong. The trick is to beat-it to death so as everything is considered. Some of us consider that there is a remote chance we may have to escape and evade. Yes remote, but the time to consider the remote chance is now. What would I need......where would I go. How would I evade tracking dogs......? answer: cross the tide flats at low tide on snowshoes, and summer or winter all scent & footprints are gone with the tide. Or I know where canoes are hidden, I could ride the tide out 30 miles in the dark of night. I just enjoy thinking about this stuff.

Do I have answers, You bet your arse I have answers.......But I want the best answers, and you may offer the key to something I had not considered.

I just found a heavy cast aluminum waterproof container. It is 19 1/2" wide inside, 32" long and 7 1/2" deep. It is some type of military airdrop first aid container, with 12 heavy ratchet locking clasps, and a thick rubber seal. I also found 25 gallons of 30# oil (Unused). Guess what is going to be buried next week.

[DOGMAN]

I think, it makes sense to me, and I'd like to do it- because I am a wanderer by nature. Homesteading and farming arent my bag baby. Ultimately, I have been a student of the Inuit, and the plains Indians for most of my life...both of those groups were Nomadic (granted they followed/ tracked animal migrations) but they had a progressive regulalry moving lifestyle. To live a lifestyle like that you have to be secure in yourself, and your abilities and also be willing to accept going hungry and getting wet and cold every now and then...

[tsitenha]

You may want to look up the story of "Simon Gunanoot "sp a west coast aboriginal who was being chased by the RCMP and the likes at the begining of the 1900 if memory serves me right. Is this somewhat your refering to?

[Sourdough]

You may want to look up the story of "Simon Gunanoot "sp a west coast aboriginal who was being chased by the RCMP and the likes at the begining of the 1900 if memory serves me right. Is this somewhat your refering to?

Was he also known as "Albert Johnson" aka "The mad Trapper of Rat River"......?

[finallyME]

Do you notice only one person felt that they could do it.......AS IT WAS LAID OUT. Everyone wants to change it because it does not make sense.

I'll endeavor to make this simple, And Change the 10 mile requirement to 5 miles.

1). You must move (5) Five miles every day on average or you will be killed. Note: you could do 10 miles one day and none the next day. The point is you have to keep moving, You can't build a homestead, or nice shelter.

2). You will have to get your food from the environment.

3). The "WHY" is not important, if you need a why.......you are being hunted and wanted dead or alive. The Why does not matter.

4). I guess in theory you could loop around to an earlier campsite and improve it, but you must move 5 miles the next day.

OK, pretend there is a million dollar prize to the first person in American to do this, having started after April 10'th 2011 Plus you get to be a real hero, and write a book about the adventure.

I find it interesting that people want to change the original post because it does not make sense. Only Dogman was willing to accept the challenge unaltered.

I could NOT do it. Not for one year. Maybe I could do it for 6 months......Maybe. Mostly what I am looking for is a valid argument that the procurement of food would be the key to success or death.

I will try and play. :)
1. The fact that you have to move everyday and are being hunted would suggest you carry a shelter, and probably sleeping insulation. There are only so many hours in a day, and you have to spend most of them moving, and finding food. Building a shelter takes hours, and you will have to spend time before you leave one destroying it so they can't find where you were that night. Sure there are tents you could bring, but most tents wouldn't last a year of constant use, and the ones that do usually weigh 40 lbs. I would choose a heavy duty tarp, obviously in natural colors or camouflage. It would be made from a heavy fabric like cordura or canvas. A high quality bag will probably last a year, if taken care of properly. I am not sure about that one. Your clothes would have to be pretty tough. You really don't have time to make clothes, or process leather from animal kills. You also wouldn't be able to carry many clothes. Maybe a hidden cache would work from time to time, granted who ever is following you doesn't find it. Most clothing today, even military clothing, won't last a year of hard use.
But, food will be the clincher. Because you have to move, you can't farm, or trap. Fishing is limited to a very short time. And, using a rifle will no doubt tell who ever is following you where you are. And, if you are following a herd of some type of animal, those following you will probably figure it out before a year is up and then guess your next move. I would say the best food supply would be stealing from farmers/ranchers. This, of course, would mean that you are living off society in a way. I don't have an answer for the food situation. Being on the move constantly and being chased really make it a difficult situation. Most successful fugitives hide "in plain sight" by mixing with the population and benefiting from society.

[randyt]

Was he also known as "Albert Johnson" aka "The mad Trapper of Rat River"......?

he was a native. If I remember right he didn't live alone.

[DOGMAN]

Simon and his family were legendary in BC for being on the run for decades. he and his brother were accussed of killing two guys and the sheriff's posse started chasing them. They ran and hid all over BC for most of Simon's adult life. But, they didnt necessarily live on the land. If I remember correctly they were hidden, helped and looked after by alll the Indians in the region. So, its a little different scenario.

[DOGMAN]

I wouldn't want to do this challenge If I was being hunted. I don't like the fugitive take on it. I prefer to think of it as a challenge to be an explorer (Lewis & Clark style) or a Nomad (Inuit style)....and move daily because I want to....not because I am being forced to.

I would like to start this in late-Spring then finish up the following Fall. Do it for a year and a half. My prefered route to do this would be follow the Athabasca River during the summer, then move slowly along Lake Athabasca over the winter, then follow the Kazan River towards Baker Lake the next summer.

During late Spring, Summer and Fall- I would build a log raft and travel and hunt off that....at sleep-time, I would haul it out of the water and prop it up against a tree or rock and have an already built lean-to. I would walk my five miles a day up side creeks looking for game, but then go back to the river and float another 10 miles or so each day...so this way I would be covering miles and miles to improve my chance of finding game. Also, I could haul a fair amount of meat on my raft and not have to abandon it to keep traveling. A bonus here, would be the amount of daylight this region gets all spring and summer. The closer I got to Lake Athabasca, I would start making cache's of food every few miles- so if needed I could snowshoe back up the river- retrace my route (keep moving) and use my cache's.

Another nice thing about doing this here...in later Fall, the river will still be moving, but the temps wont be so warm as to spoil meat. I would be killing every goose, moose, etc.. that I could find and cacheing meat everywhere....Sure, your going to lose a bunch of it scavengers- but you'll get alot of meat to come back to for sure.

Winter would be tough. I'd make snow shoes, and utilize the old trap lines and trapper cabins all around the Lake Athabasca region. Plus there has been alot of mineral/oil exploration in that area as well, so there would be alot of old stuff to scrounge through to find stuff to help. I'd stay close to the lake and river, and ice fish, daily and keep my eyes peeled for a moose, hares, and squirrels (and their caches). I'd focus my hunting/fishing during the few hours of daylight, then i'd do any mandatory travels at night along the lake shore. Then build a quick snow pit for a shelter if I could not find a trapper cabin in my travels.

What would I take? Not much...I'd do it fur trapper era/mountain man style. I'd drag all my gear everywhere with a travois, haul it on raft, or build a sled to drag in the winter. I wouldn't carry much at all on my back.

Now, before your tear me and my plan apart...tell us what you'd do!

[Rick]

I'd follow you and keep an eye on the raft for you.

[DOGMAN]

I'd follow you and keep an eye on the raft for you.

Good plan...

[tsitenha]

Gunanoot was chased by the RCMP and in the years that he was at large he fathered a few children by his wife, in the end he had to give himself up as he just got tired of the whole thing. Not the same as the "Mad Trapper".

[DOGMAN]

Gunanoot was chased by the RCMP and in the years that he was at large he fathered a few children by his wife, in the end he had to give himself up as he just got tired of the whole thing. Not the same as the "Mad Trapper".

If I remeember correctly, he only gave up after the RCMP gave up chasing him, and stated that he'd get a fair trial if he came in. He was given a fair trial, and it was ruled he was not guilty...

[Ted]

Pre-planed?! Plan on being cold from time to time. Wet from time to time. Hungery most of the time. And botherd by insects all the time!

[klkak]

I could do it but have no desire too.

[klkak]

If you really want to know what it would be like. Contact Rod Perry through this web site. He is a friend of mine and has done some pretty amazing adventures.
http://rodperry.com/about_author.html

[DOGMAN]

Heck yeah! Rod Perry the infamous iditarod musher and film maker. Do you know him personally? The guy is a legend in dog driving circles...

[klkak]

Yes I know Rod. I just got off the phone with him. I'm going over to his house next week and help him get logged in here as a forum member.

[Rick]

Uh oh. He's down to you helping him, huh? This does not bode well. Someone is bound to get hurt in this adventure. I'm confuing up sprained fingers and hang nails just from the keyboard.

[crashdive123]

Looking at Rod's site, I think he will be a welcome addition to the forum.

[kyratshooter]

Do you notice only one person felt that they could do it.......AS IT WAS LAID OUT. Everyone wants to change it because it does not make sense.

I'll endeavor to make this simple, And Change the 10 mile requirement to 5 miles.

1). You must move (5) Five miles every day on average or you will be killed. Note: you could do 10 miles one day and none the next day. The point is you have to keep moving, You can't build a homestead, or nice shelter.

2). You will have to get your food from the environment.

3). The "WHY" is not important, if you need a why.......you are being hunted and wanted dead or alive. The Why does not matter.

4). I guess in theory you could loop around to an earlier campsite and improve it, but you must move 5 miles the next day.

OK, pretend there is a million dollar prize to the first person in American to do this, having started after April 10'th 2011 Plus you get to be a real hero, and write a book about the adventure.

I find it interesting that people want to change the original post because it does not make sense. Only Dogman was willing to accept the challenge unaltered.

I could NOT do it. Not for one year. Maybe I could do it for 6 months......Maybe. Mostly what I am looking for is a valid argument that the procurement of food would be the key to success or death.


Are you carrying another dang book to Alscatraz?

Just your travel requirement is 1800 miles! Even the long hunters of the east and the mountain men of the old west did not put that kind of milage on themselves in the 18th and 19th centuries. When winter came they holed up and built cabins or station camps and put up food for the winter. Your clothes are not going to hold up for a year and you will need a base camp for collecting and curing hides at some point.

Life in the wilderness is for a year is quite attainable. Several of us have done military tours that required months on end of living as hunted animals, like your senerio. We have hiked the AT and covered 12-16 miles per day. We have hunted for our food and know we could accomplish that. We have cured hides and made our own clothing from them. Doing all of this at once is not reasonable, and not possible without resupply along the way.

AND

We could not accomplish your task here in the lower 48, legally, for one simple reason: Hunting and fishing seasons.

[Sourdough]

Are you carrying another dang book to Alscatraz?

Just your travel requirement is 1800 miles! Even the long hunters of the east and the mountain men of the old west did not put that kind of milage on themselves in the 18th and 19th centuries. When winter came they holed up and built cabins or station camps and put up food for the winter. Your clothes are not going to hold up for a year and you will need a base camp for collecting and curing hides at some point.

Life in the wilderness is for a year is quite attainable. Several of us have done military tours that required months on end of living as hunted animals, like your senerio. We have hiked the AT and covered 12-16 miles per day. We have hunted for our food and know we could accomplish that. We have cured hides and made our own clothing from them. Doing all of this at once is not reasonable, and not possible without resupply along the way.

AND

We could not accomplish your task here in the lower 48, legally, for one simple reason: Hunting and fishing seasons.


Your all a bunch of sissy'men in the lower 48. Hell, In Alaska we have women that spend 11 straight days in the wilderness "NUDE". Just strip naked and swim into the wilderness.
Just because you think something "CAN'T be done, that only means You can't do it. It does not mean that it can't be done.

[DOGMAN]

I live in the lower 48 and I would like to do it....

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keepagoodoffing.ru (http://keepagoodoffing.ru)keepsmthinhand.ru (http://keepsmthinhand.ru)kentishglory.ru (http://kentishglory.ru)kerbweight.ru (http://kerbweight.ru)kerrrotation.ru (http://kerrrotation.ru)keymanassurance.ru (http://keymanassurance.ru)keyserum.ru (http://keyserum.ru)kickplate.ru (http://kickplate.ru)killthefattedcalf.ru (http://killthefattedcalf.ru)kilowattsecond.ru (http://kilowattsecond.ru)kingweakfish.ru (http://kingweakfish.ru)kinozones.ru (http://kinozones.ru)kleinbottle.ru (http://kleinbottle.ru)kneejoint.ru (http://kneejoint.ru)knifesethouse.ru (http://knifesethouse.ru)
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lambdatransition.ru (http://lambdatransition.ru)laminatedmaterial.ru (http://laminatedmaterial.ru)lammasshoot.ru (http://lammasshoot.ru)lamphouse.ru (http://lamphouse.ru)lancecorporal.ru (http://lancecorporal.ru)lancingdie.ru (http://lancingdie.ru)landingdoor.ru (http://landingdoor.ru)landmarksensor.ru (http://landmarksensor.ru)landreform.ru (http://landreform.ru)landuseratio.ru (http://landuseratio.ru)languagelaboratory.ru (http://languagelaboratory.ru)largeheart.ru (http://largeheart.ru)lasercalibration.ru (http://lasercalibration.ru)laserlens.ru (http://laserlens.ru)laserpulse.ru (http://laserpulse.ru)

[yellowcab]

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obstructivepatent.ru (http://obstructivepatent.ru)oceanmining.ru (http://oceanmining.ru)octupolephonon.ru (http://octupolephonon.ru)offlinesystem.ru (http://offlinesystem.ru)offsetholder.ru (http://offsetholder.ru)olibanumresinoid.ru (http://olibanumresinoid.ru)onesticket.ru (http://onesticket.ru)packedspheres.ru (http://packedspheres.ru)pagingterminal.ru (http://pagingterminal.ru)palatinebones.ru (http://palatinebones.ru)palmberry.ru (http://palmberry.ru)papercoating.ru (http://papercoating.ru)paraconvexgroup.ru (http://paraconvexgroup.ru)parasolmonoplane.ru (http://parasolmonoplane.ru)parkingbrake.ru (http://parkingbrake.ru)
partfamily.ru (http://partfamily.ru)partialmajorant.ru (http://partialmajorant.ru)quadrupleworm.ru (http://quadrupleworm.ru)qualitybooster.ru (http://qualitybooster.ru)quasimoney.ru (http://quasimoney.ru)quenchedspark.ru (http://quenchedspark.ru)quodrecuperet.ru (http://quodrecuperet.ru)rabbetledge.ru (http://rabbetledge.ru)radialchaser.ru (http://radialchaser.ru)radiationestimator.ru (http://radiationestimator.ru)railwaybridge.ru (http://railwaybridge.ru)randomcoloration.ru (http://randomcoloration.ru)rapidgrowth.ru (http://rapidgrowth.ru)rattlesnakemaster.ru (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)reachthroughregion.ru (http://reachthroughregion.ru)
readingmagnifier.ru (http://readingmagnifier.ru)rearchain.ru (http://rearchain.ru)recessioncone.ru (http://recessioncone.ru)recordedassignment.ru (http://recordedassignment.ru)rectifiersubstation.ru (http://rectifiersubstation.ru)redemptionvalue.ru (http://redemptionvalue.ru)reducingflange.ru (http://reducingflange.ru)referenceantigen.ru (http://referenceantigen.ru)regeneratedprotein.ru (http://regeneratedprotein.ru)reinvestmentplan.ru (http://reinvestmentplan.ru)safedrilling.ru (http://safedrilling.ru)sagprofile.ru (http://sagprofile.ru)salestypelease.ru (http://salestypelease.ru)samplinginterval.ru (http://samplinginterval.ru)satellitehydrology.ru (http://satellitehydrology.ru)
scarcecommodity.ru (http://scarcecommodity.ru)scrapermat.ru (http://scrapermat.ru)screwingunit.ru (http://screwingunit.ru)seawaterpump.ru (http://seawaterpump.ru)secondaryblock.ru (http://secondaryblock.ru)secularclergy.ru (http://secularclergy.ru)seismicefficiency.ru (http://seismicefficiency.ru)selectivediffuser.ru (http://selectivediffuser.ru)semiasphalticflux.ru (http://semiasphalticflux.ru)semifinishmachining.ru (http://semifinishmachining.ru)spicetrade.ru (http://spicetrade.ru)spysale.ru (http://spysale.ru)stungun.ru (http://stungun.ru)tacticaldiameter.ru (http://tacticaldiameter.ru)tailstockcenter.ru (http://tailstockcenter.ru)
tamecurve.ru (http://tamecurve.ru)tapecorrection.ru (http://tapecorrection.ru)tappingchuck.ru (http://tappingchuck.ru)taskreasoning.ru (http://taskreasoning.ru)technicalgrade.ru (http://technicalgrade.ru)telangiectaticlipoma.ru (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)telescopicdamper.ru (http://telescopicdamper.ru)temperateclimate.ru (http://temperateclimate.ru)temperedmeasure.ru (http://temperedmeasure.ru)tenementbuilding.ru (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)ultramaficrock.ru (http://ultramaficrock.ru)ultraviolettesting.ru (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)

[yellowcab]

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инфо (http://handsfreetelephone.ru)инфо (http://hangonpart.ru)инфо (http://haphazardwinding.ru)инфо (http://hardalloyteeth.ru)инфо (http://hardasiron.ru)инфо (http://hardenedconcrete.ru)инфо (http://harmonicinteraction.ru)инфо (http://hartlaubgoose.ru)инфо (http://hatchholddown.ru)инфо (http://haveafinetime.ru)инфо (http://hazardousatmosphere.ru)инфо (http://headregulator.ru)инфо (http://heartofgold.ru)инфо (http://heatageingresistance.ru)инфо (http://heatinggas.ru)
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[yellowcab]

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