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flatlander88
03-16-2011, 08:26 PM
I have a question that I have been rolling over the last few weeks and have yet to find an answer. Here's my problem.

I live in Kansas and we are nearing spring, which means tornadoes and thunderstorms. Here is where my problem lies. I have a tornado kit down in the basement in a Rubbermaid that will serve nicely for a few days in the event of a tornado.

However, all my "other" stuff is on the main level. Guns, knives, stoves, shells, camping gear, GPS, etc. My basement isn't climate controlled so I don't make a habit of keeping too much there. If we get a lot of rain it could back up the sewer flooding part of the basement (which has happened before) or a tornado could come and take off the upper level (which isn't as possible but it very well could).

Where and how do I keep my things? I hope I explained this well enough.

Flatlander88
JPGreco
03-16-2011, 08:33 PM
waterproof container in the basement strapped to the floor.
flatlander88
03-16-2011, 08:38 PM
what about a rifle or shotgun? I am not looking to save everything but I am looking for a storage system that would allow my to keep some things. Also shells and bullets wouldn't last long with out some sort of climate control, would they?
JPGreco
03-16-2011, 08:46 PM
well the inherent problem with storage is that it makes things harder to access. you can easily get a water proof container that can hold several rifles with ease. The question is how easily do you want to get to them? Its not hard to get anything from the basement if you are organized. I mean, a rifle is what? 3ft at most in length? The other option is making custom containers.

I mean, I don't see a problem here so I'm having trouble trying to figure out what you are asking. If a tornado won't completely destroy items stored in your basement, then that is where I would store anything I wanted to save.
flatlander88
03-16-2011, 08:59 PM
I would have no problem storing things in the basement but I do worry about leaving things in a basement that could make them rust (no heat or air) or become a victim of flooding. I would like to keep my things as nice as I can but I know they need to be there when I need them as well.
JPGreco
03-16-2011, 09:15 PM
I think you're really just paranoid. If you use the proper storage container and prep the items to be stored properly, then they won't corrode. However, items won't store indefinitely, so you will need periodic maintenance. Proper storage and use of proper storage containers will weather floods and even debris falling on them. You really have nothing to worry about and just need to go out and find the proper storage items and protect them a bit in the basement so a tornado won't cause stuff to fall on them and damage the containers.
flatlander88
03-16-2011, 09:23 PM
Your probably right. I have just been up in arms about what to do. I use my guns on a regular basis and I am so split on whether to keep them up stairs where I can easily get to them or keep them below where I can have them if I really need them. I think I'll look into some different containers for storage. Thanks JPG
JPGreco
03-16-2011, 09:41 PM
no problem man. I would be paranoid a **** if I lived around tornados to the point that my home would be made of poured concrete... lol
flatlander88
03-16-2011, 09:49 PM
Actually its not so much the fact that I live in tornado allay but the fact that I am realizing how unprepared I am or could be. Just trying to find a balance.

Kansas isn't too bad, lol.
crashdive123
03-16-2011, 10:00 PM
Just a couple of thoughts. Mulitiple locations if possible and a paid up insurance policy with documentation to include pictures and video of what you have.
flatlander88
03-16-2011, 10:08 PM
Crash, that is kind of what I am thinking. I think if I find some good storage containers that are waterproof I could keep a few guns (ones that I don't use too much) and some ammo, propane tanks, knives, camping gear, etc, downstairs. I do take pictures of all my things but I would have no photo evidence if my house would get destroyed. Everything is on my jump drive or on the house computer.
crashdive123
03-16-2011, 10:17 PM
If you are that concerned with moisture in your basement, there are things that you can do to minimize moisture. Use a dehumidifier. Make sure your sump pump is in good working order. Store things up off the floor.
flatlander88
03-16-2011, 10:29 PM
Currently I do everything but the dehumidifier. I go down every two weeks to run water to activate the pump and I have some cinder blocks with wood tops to get most of the stuff off the floor. I guess I am just trying to figure out how to be the most prepared I can in the event of a "bad" nature experience. Its funny how I feel more prepared when I am worried about the economy collapsing. I have camping gear, chickens, two cows (out in my dad pasture), guns, knives, extra food, water, camper, shed, etc. but most of this can all be taken away by "wind". Weird and scary, to me anyway.
hunter63
03-16-2011, 10:37 PM
I keep most of the firearms in a safe with a heater for rust control.
About $30 bucks, been running for the heater for 20 years.
flatlander88
03-16-2011, 10:49 PM
Hey Hunter63, do you just run an electric heater down stairs?
hunter63
03-17-2011, 12:11 PM
No, its made for the safe,, Hummmmm seems price has gone up a tad.
http://www.cabelas.com/gun-safes-golden-rod-dehumidifier.shtml
flatlander88
03-17-2011, 12:35 PM
Thanks. 35 bucks isn't bad though.
hunter63
03-17-2011, 01:16 PM
No, not when you think of possible damage and piece of mind.

Over the years, I have tinkered with the same question of where to store thing that you have brought up.

I used to be in the "keep all your stuff together" school of though.......Has major draw backs...Lose one lose them all.

Now I into "deploying my assets", redundancy.....generally keeping stuff in different locations, so that no matter where I am , I am close to a stash.

This works well, IF you have enough stuff to spread out, so I can feel for those that don't, I didn't for the longest time.
oldsoldier
03-17-2011, 04:41 PM
what about a rifle or shotgun? I am not looking to save everything but I am looking for a storage system that would allow my to keep some things. Also shells and bullets wouldn't last long with out some sort of climate control, would they?

If the weapon is an "extra" you could coat it in cosmoline or something similar them store it in a "cache" bag. That will keep it dry and rust free. People use similar ways for weapons they are going to bury for storage/cacheing. Ammo would be a little easier. Get a couple of military ammo cans, put your ammo in them, toss in a couple of O2 absorbers, coat the gasket with a little silicon lube and close them up. I store ammo that way both in my vehicle as well as my garage, haven't had a issue yet.
kyratshooter
03-17-2011, 05:13 PM
no problem man. I would be paranoid a **** if I lived around tornados to the point that my home would be made of poured concrete... lol

When you live with tornado presence you deal with it like others deal with flood and earthquake. Storm rooms and storm sellers are and always have been standard for the great plains area.

If the OP has a gunsafe there are some percautions that can be taken if you are willing to do some simple mods to the house.

One is to anchor the gunsafe to one of the foundation piers near the center of the house. You can drill and set through pins and screw the safe through the floor into the foundation. I have seen several houses hit by tornadoes that had one central room still standing when everything else was gone to ozz.

You can also cache some of your goods underground in airtight containers as H63 was hinting.

If you have a solid basement wall you may be able to tunnel into the ground and install a waterproof cinder block cabinet with a metal door above the water level. Put your dehumidafier in there and have a built in gun/supply room.
flatlander88
03-17-2011, 10:49 PM
Thanks everyone for the help. I do have some gun safes but they are mainly for keeping the kids out of them. They are a light steel and are not fire rated, I just can't afford the nice ones. I do intend to look at some sort of water proof storage container for the basement.

Crash, I called my insurance agent today and we are trying to get some things worked out.
1stimestar
03-18-2011, 04:25 PM
For the pictures of items, upload them to a folder on photobucket.com, put a password on it, then you can access them whenever.
SARKY
03-19-2011, 12:19 AM
If you have any hills on your property, get yourself one of those shorty trucking containers and bury it into the hill. Then store your stuff in water tight containers in it.
oldsoldier
03-19-2011, 08:52 AM
If you have any hills on your property, get yourself one of those shorty trucking containers and bury it into the hill. Then store your stuff in water tight containers in it.

Sarky has an excellent idea. The " small ones's are 20 feet long by about 8feet tall and between 96 and 102 inches wide. they pretty much seal air tight. I've seen them here as cheap as $400. Just make sure you don't get one with a wood floor unless you plan to replace it. You could even use the waterproofing stuff they use on the outside of basement walls to add to the watershield and help it last longer.
Rick
03-19-2011, 08:59 AM
Are you guys talking about Conex trailers? If so, they are not designed to take the weight of being buried. I'd bet the sides and top will collapse or at least bulge severely and probably deform to the point you won't be able to open or close the doors. Any lateral force can put them out of square pretty easily.
OhioGrizzLapp
03-19-2011, 09:09 AM
For guns and items that can be destroyed by climate, I use vac sealed bags and place industrial dessicant cansiters or envelopes in with the items. I also spray them with remington storage oil.

In my safes, I have a dehumidfyer in each safe. This is also where I keep most of my collectible knives. In the gun shop, we have a dehumidyfier and we wipe the guns down once a week with remington as well.

My personal ammo is in a safe, dessicant packs as required.

All food is in Tupperwear or RubberMaid storage bins with dessicants packs.

It all takes time and some money, but far cheaper than replacing all your stuff or losing value due to damage.
flatlander88
03-19-2011, 01:42 PM
If you have any hills on your property, get yourself one of those shorty trucking containers and bury it into the hill. Then store your stuff in water tight containers in it.

I suppose I could bury some stuff but I was mainly looking into keeping it protected within the house.
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