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Rick
03-15-2011, 01:55 PM
"Fire, scientists agree, helped give rise to a successful, thriving human population by providing heat for cooking and protection from the cold."

But when did they start using fire?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/science/15obfire.html?_r=1
Justin Case
03-15-2011, 02:00 PM
I would think they first started using fire the first time they seen lightning start one,, I would "Think" they were smart enough to "save" the fire for later use before learning how to create it themselves with spark or friction,,, JMHO :)
crashdive123
03-15-2011, 02:02 PM
“It demands some serious thinking about how early Homo could have survived on a seasonally variable food supply despite having small teeth and small guts,” he said. “No one has solved this problem yet.”

Well, as a society we seem to have solved the small gut problem.:innocent:
Rick
03-15-2011, 02:04 PM
The first time I would see lightening streaking down from the heavens and starting a fire and not knowing what it is you all would be standing there by yourself. Rickster would be waaaaaaaay over there where it's safe.
BENESSE
03-15-2011, 02:06 PM
Well, as a society we seem to have solved the small gut problem.:innocent:

Inverse to cojones, no? :sneaky2:
Rick
03-15-2011, 02:07 PM
Nope. We just learned how to build a tool shed.
Justin Case
03-15-2011, 02:09 PM
The first time I would see lightening streaking down from the heavens and starting a fire and not knowing what it is you all would be standing there by yourself. Rickster would be waaaaaaaay over there where it's safe.

LOl true,, but you would have to notice that fire was warm ! :)
OhioGrizzLapp
03-15-2011, 02:12 PM
It was about the same time man/woman learned how to dance.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcS8CcqPJcI

It has not gotten much better in gazillions of years.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOYztkHRSJ4&feature=related
Rick
03-15-2011, 02:13 PM
LOl true,, but you would have to notice that fire was warm !

Not from where I would have been standing. Me and the saber tooth tiger would have both been out of breath from running.
Justin Case
03-15-2011, 02:17 PM
It was about the same time man/woman learned how to dance.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcS8CcqPJcI

BWAhahahahhaha,,,, love it !
OhioGrizzLapp
03-15-2011, 02:21 PM
scot, I just updated it LOL
hunter63
03-15-2011, 02:22 PM
Some say that there are a couple of major thing that separate the early humans and all others.

One: they did not ALL run from fire: Curiosity
Two: early humans could sweat, there fore could keep running long after many animals stopped.
Three: invented beer or some other kind of mind altering combination, and were able to solve all sorts of the worlds problems...........
Justin Case
03-15-2011, 02:23 PM
scot, I just updated it LOL

LOL,, which one are you ? l
Rick
03-15-2011, 02:34 PM
One: they did not ALL run from fire: Curiosity

Yeah, those are the ones that got burned. Liiiiiiiike you. Yeah, that's the ticket.
canid
03-15-2011, 05:20 PM
it's like asking when we 'mastered' electricity. was it in prehistoric time when we first noticed it in animals and atmospheric phenomena? probably not. when we first started using it in medicine or jewelry making without really understanding it; basically making conclusions from basic observations about it's effects? when we finally put together a working theory of electromagnetic force? when we harnessed it on an industrial scale and distributed it across our globe as one of the prime movers of our technologic culture?

might it be argued that we still have not mastered it? after all; we still have constant accidents with it, and still only mostly understand it's quirks and mechanics. if a major breakthrough is made in the next century dramatically increasing our utility of electromagnetic technology, might it not make our current understanding seem vastly incomplete by contrast?

it is the mark of a poor scientist and journalist to apply such an arbitrary lable to such a broad subject. either they don't understand the nature of a planet hosting thousands of cultures at once or they choose to ignore it or the sake of simplicity.

of course it's not remotely possible that the first man to master firemaking lived a million years ago while a large percentage of the current human population still has not. everybody is clearly completely expert in their entire culture and it's history, no culture ever died off taking any of it's technologies with it nor kept any secrets.

in short: what the heck is the point of asking the question 'when did a vague and undefined subset of the species begin regularly using fire on purpose'? it's about as pointless as hoping against astronomical odds to just happen to find evidence of the first guy/gal to have done it.

remember; there are stories in our species of cultures actually having lost the technology to make fire for a period, be they single families or larger groups.
canid
03-15-2011, 05:24 PM
not sure why i went off on a ramble-de-rant, but i think i may have had too much coffee :D
Rick
03-15-2011, 05:26 PM
I'll try to do better. I promise.
crashdive123
03-15-2011, 05:30 PM
Pfffft! They should have concentrated on a survival knife.
BENESSE
03-15-2011, 05:47 PM
Personally, I prefer survival frying pans. They can block a knife and deliver a blow upside the head. Then you can have fried brains for dinner.
Rick
03-15-2011, 05:55 PM
What kind of survival knife would have been best?
hunter63
03-15-2011, 05:57 PM
It's beer, I tell you the beer.They had to stay in one place to grow the grain, and need FIRE to brew it, and then wait till it's done, with out being cold, so fire again needed by the beer, and the brewers.

Of course you need FIRE to sit around to drink the beer.
So my conclusion is beer.

Besides these guys and gals that do all the rearch and digging, and writing it up, need money so they don't have to go to work in a factory.
Justin Case
03-15-2011, 06:08 PM
What kind of survival knife would have been best?

One that had a fire starter in the handle !
crashdive123
03-15-2011, 06:23 PM
I think that fire is the root of arguments. I can just see a bunch of cavemen sitting aroung the fire when Grog says "Hey --- what's the best survival spear?"
Rick
03-15-2011, 06:28 PM
"Bear Growl best spear."
"Bear Growl fool. Him squeeze water out of mammoth poo."
"Him drunk."
"Bear bad. Beer good."
"63 Hunters not wrong."
BENESSE
03-15-2011, 06:29 PM
What kind of survival knife would have been best?

Now, what did I do with that frying pan...I was just holding it a minute ago...
Rick
03-15-2011, 06:30 PM
"Quick! To da ban button!"
crashdive123
03-15-2011, 06:41 PM
I think frying pan trumps ban button.
Rick
03-15-2011, 06:51 PM
This is turning into a very painful game of scissors, rock, frying pan.
OhioGrizzLapp
03-15-2011, 08:06 PM
B, gee, thanks for reminding me of a not so happy time in my married life.... 9" cast aluminum frying pan right up the backside of my head......it did not affect me much............*twitches a lil, howls like a cuyote.....and scratches my..........................................ear a lil..... I guess it could have been worse, it could have been cast iron.
OhioGrizzLapp
03-15-2011, 08:10 PM
This was an interesting story of early man and fishing lures.....

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/24870/scientists+amazing+california+discovery+includes+f ishing+tackle+12000+years+old/
BENESSE
03-15-2011, 10:36 PM
B, gee, thanks for reminding me of a not so happy time in my married life.... 9" cast aluminum frying pan right up the backside of my head......it did not affect me much............*twitches a lil, howls like a cuyote.....and scratches my..........................................ear a lil..... I guess it could have been worse, it could have been cast iron.

All I can say is...
6510
Rick
03-16-2011, 07:41 AM
Scientists uncovered what they believe to be an ancient fishing system from the early 21st century. They are unsure how primitive man used the equipment but it appears to contain what some scientists have termed a "petroleum based engine". Professor R.U. Kidding disclaims the find, "even primitive man was too smart to pollute his air and water with such an inefficient method of machinery".

http://www.eatonvillenews.net/images/Bob/BOB%20FLOOD%20BOAT%20IN%20DIRT%20%28OP%29%20MARCH% 202008%202008Chehalisfloods037.jpg
hunter63
03-16-2011, 08:55 AM
In a related break through, the same scientists related other finds.

In the studies of ancient 21 century, it was also determined that in the more civilised area of the plant earth, the population must have been very religious as most all apparent dwellings as, well as public gathering places had a large number of altars, used in their ceremonies.
Most uncovered appeared similar to this sample.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/hunter63/unnamed.jpg

Professor R.U. Kidding disclaims this find, as well, "Who would worship a porcelain god?

Must have been the beer, he added.
Rick
03-16-2011, 12:53 PM
Now that's funny. Sadly, I've worshiped the porcelain god once too often.
crashdive123
03-16-2011, 12:54 PM
Ancient peoples would be so proud ----- Johnny Chert.
2dumb2kwit
03-16-2011, 03:04 PM
After having dug to a depth of 10 feet lastyear,NewYork
scientists found traces of copper wire dating back 100
years and came to the conclusion, that their ancestors
already had a telephone network more than 100 years
ago.

Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers, in the weeks that
followed a California archaeologist dug to a depth of 20 feet,
and shortly after, a Story in the LA Times read: " California
archaeologists, finding of 200 year old copper wire, have
concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced
high-tech communications network a hundred years earlier
than the New Yorkers"

One week later. A local newspaper in North Carolina reported
the following: "After digging as deep as 30 feet in his pasture
near Cruso, Bubba, a self-taught archaeologist, reported that
he found absolutely nothing. Bubba has therefore concluded
that 300 years ago, North Carolina had already gone wireless". I'm so proud.:blushing:
Justin Case
03-16-2011, 03:15 PM
LOL,,,, Thats FUNNY !!!! :)
hunter63
03-16-2011, 03:39 PM
Ya know, some of you boys just ain't right.
OhioGrizzLapp
03-16-2011, 08:06 PM
Archeologist found records within a cave that show rituals pertaining to bringing water back to dry lakes and rivers. They are however not sure how sucessful the rituals were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KypFlgO4znw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKJum3QpcT0&NR=1
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