Japan Info

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

I don't have a source, I found it to be a good read. Take it or leave it.

What is going on here?

In the aftermath of the recent earthquake and tsunami in Japan, two nuclear power stations on the east coast of Japan have been experiencing problems. They are the Fukushima Daiichi ("daiichi" means "number one") and Fukushima Daini ("number two") sites, operated by the Tokyo Electric Power Company (or TEPCO). Site one has six reactors, and site two has four. The problematic reactors are #1, #2, and #3 at site one, which are the oldest of the ten and were due to be decommissioned this year.

In short, the earthquake combined with the tsunami have impaired the cooling systems at these reactors, which has made it difficult for TEPCO to shut them down completely. Reactor #1 is now considered safe after crew flooded the reactor with sea water. Reactor #3 was starting this process as this was originally written (6:00PM CST/11:00PM GST on March 13th). Site crew began preparing to add sea water to reactor #2 around 7:30AM GMT on March 14th, if a cooling procedure does not work.

The four reactors at site two did not have their systems impaired and have shut down normally.

Can this cause a nuclear explosion?

No. It is physically impossible for a nuclear power station to explode like a nuclear weapon.

Nuclear bombs work by causing a supercritical fission reaction in a very small space in an unbelievably small amount of time. They do this by using precisely-designed explosive charges to combine two subcritical masses of nuclear material so quickly that they bypass the critical stage and go directly to supercritical, and with enough force that the resulting supercritical mass cannot melt or blow itself apart before all of the material is fissioned.

Current nuclear power plants are designed around subcritical masses of radioactive material, which are manipulated into achieving sustained fission through the use of neutron moderators. The heat from this fission is used to convert water to steam, which drives electric generator turbines. (This is a drastic simplification.) They are not capable of achieving supercritical levels; the nuclear fuel would melt before this could occur, and a supercritical reaction is required for an explosion to occur.

Making a nuclear bomb is very difficult, and it is completely impossible for a nuclear reactor to accidentally become a bomb. Secondary systems, like cooling or turbines, can explode due to pressure and stress problems, but these are not nuclear explosions.

Is this a meltdown?

Technically, yes, but not in the way that most people think.

The term "meltdown" is not used within the nuclear industry, because it is insufficiently specific. The popular image of a meltdown is when a nuclear reactor's fuel core goes out of control and melts its way out of the containment facility. This has not happened and is unlikely to happen.

What has happened in reactor #1 and #3 is a "partial fuel melt". This means that the fuel core has suffered damage from heat but is still largely intact. No fuel has escaped containment. Core #2 may have experienced heat damage as well, but the details are not known yet. It is confirmed that reactor #2's containment has not been breached.

How did this happen? Aren't there safety systems?

When the earthquakes in Japan occurred on March 11th, all ten reactor cores "scrammed", which means that their control rods were inserted automatically. This shut down the active fission process, and the cores have remained shut down since then.

The problem is that even a scrammed reactor core generates "decay heat", which requires cooling. When the tsunami arrived shortly after the earthquake, it damaged the external power generators that the sites used to power their cooling systems. This meant that while the cores were shut down, they were still boiling off the water used as coolant.

This caused two further problems. First, the steam caused pressure to build up within the containment vessel. Second, once the water level subsided, parts of the fuel rods were exposed to air, causing the heat to build up more quickly, leading to core damage from the heat.

What are they doing about it?

From the very beginning, TEPCO has had the option to flood the reactor chambers with sea water, which would end the problems immediately. Unfortunately, this also destroys the reactors permanently. Doing so would not only cost TEPCO (and Japanese taxpayers) billions of dollars, but it would make that reactor unavailable for generating electricity during a nationwide disaster. The sea water method is a "last resort" in this sense, but it has always been an option.

To avoid this, TEPCO first took steps to bring the cooling systems back online and to reduce the pressure on the inside of the containment vessel. This involved bringing in external portable generators, repairing damaged systems, and venting steam and gases from inside the containment vessel. These methods worked for reactor #2 at site one, prior to complications; reactors four through six were shut down before for inspection before the earthquake hit.

In the end, TEPCO decided to avoid further risk and flooded reactor #1 with sea water. It is now considered safely under control. Reactor #3 is currently undergoing this process, and reactor #2 may undergo it if a venting procedure fails.

The four reactors at site two did not have their external power damaged by the tsunami, and are therefore operating normally, albeit in a post-scram shutdown state. They have not required any venting, and reactor #3 is already in full cold shutdown.

Is a "China Syndrome" meltdown possible?

No, any fuel melt situation at Fukushima will be limited, because the fuel is physically incapable of having a runaway fission reaction. This is due to their light water reactor design.

In a light water reactor, water is used as both a coolant for the fuel core and as a "neutron moderator". What a neutron moderator does is very technical (you can watch a lecture which includes this information here), but in short, when the neutron moderator is removed, the fission reaction will stop.

An LWR design limits the damage caused by a meltdown, because if all of the coolant is boiled away, the fission reaction will not keep going, because the coolant is also the moderator. The core will then only generate decay heat, which while dangerous and strong enough to melt the core, is not nearly as dangerous as an active fission reaction.

The containment vessel at Fukushima should be strong enough to resist breaching even during a decay heat meltdown. The amount of energy that could be produced by decay heat is easily calculated, and it is possible to design a container that will resist it. If it is not, and the core melts its way through the bottom of the vessel, it will end up in a large concrete barrier below the reactor. It is nearly impossible that a fuel melt caused by decay heat would penetrate this barrier. A containment vessel failure like this would result in a massive cleanup job but no leakage of nuclear material into the outside environment.

This is all moot, however, as flooding the reactor with sea water will prevent a fuel melt from progressing. TEPCO has already done this to reactor #1, and is in the process of doing it to #3. If any of the other reactors begin misbehaving, the sea water option will be available for those as well.

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[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

What was this about an explosion?

One of the byproducts of reactors like the ones at Fukushima is hydrogen. Normally this gas is vented and burned slowly. Due to the nature of the accident, the vented hydrogen gas was not properly burned as it was released. This led to a build up of hydrogen gas inside the reactor #1 building, but outside the containment vessel.

This gas ignited, causing the top of the largely cosmetic external shell to be blown off. This shell was made of sheet metal on a steel frame and did not require a great deal of force to be destroyed. The reactor itself was not damaged in this explosion, and there were only four minor injuries. This was a conventional chemical reaction and not a nuclear explosion.

You see what happened in the photo of the reactor housing. Note that other than losing the sheet metal covering on the top, the reactor building is intact. No containment breach has occurred.

At about 2:30AM GMT on March 14th, a similar explosion occurred at the reactor #3 building. This explosion was not unexpected, as TEPCO had warned that one might occur. The damage is still being assessed but it has been announced that the containment vessel was not breached and that the sea water process is continuing.

Around 7:30AM GMT on March 14th, it was announced that the explosion at reactor #2 has damaged the already limping cooling systems of reactor #2. It may also receive the sea water treatment if they are unable to use a venting procedure to restart the cooling systems.

Is there radiation leakage?

The radiation levels outside the plant are higher than usual due to the release of radioactive steam. These levels will go down and return to their normal levels, as no fuel has escaped containment.

For perspective, note that charts detailing detrimental radiation exposure start at 1 Gy, equivalent to 1 Sv; the radiation outside the problematic Fukushima reactors is being measured in micro-Svs per hour. The highest reported levels outside the Fukushima reactors has been around 1000 to 1500 micro-Svs per hour. This means that one would have to stay in this area for four to six weeks, 24 hours a day, without protection in order to experience the lowest level of radiation poisoning, which while unpleasant is not normally fatal. And this level will not stay where it is.

Also note the chart of normal radiation exposure levels from things like medical x-rays and airline flights.

There have also been very minor releases of radioactive reactor byproducts like iodine and cesium along with the steam. This material is less radioactive than the typical output of coal power plants. It is significant mainly as an indicator of the state of the reactor core.

I read that there's a plume of radioactive material heading across the Pacific.

In its current state, the steam blowing east from Japan across the pacific is less dangerous than living in Denver for a year. If it makes it across the ocean, it will be almost undetectable by the time it arrives, and completely harmless as the dangerous elements in the steam will have decayed by then.

What's this about fuel rods being exposed to the air?

When the coolant levels inside the reactor get low enough, the tops of the fuel rods will be exposed to the air inside the containment vessel. They have not been exposed to the external atmosphere and the containment vessels are all intact.

Can this end up like Chernobyl?

No, it cannot. for several reasons.

Chernobyl used graphite as a neutron moderator and water as a coolant. For complicated reasons, this meant that as the coolant heated up and converted to steam, the fission reaction intensified, converting even more water to steam, leading to a feedback effect. The Fukushima reactors use water as both the coolant and the neutron moderator, which means that as the water heats up and converts to steam, the reaction slows down instead. (The effect of the conversion of water coolant to steam on the performance of a nuclear reactor is known as the "void coefficient", and can be either positive or negative.)
Chernobyl was designed so that as the nuclear fuel heated up, the fission reaction intensified, heating the core even further, causing another feedback effect. In the Fukushima reactors, the fission reaction slows down as the fuel heats up. (The effect of heating of the nuclear fuel on the performance of a nuclear reactor is known as the "temperature coefficient", and can also be positive or negative.)
Chernobyl's graphite moderator was flammable, and when the reactor exploded, the radioactive graphite burned and ended up in the atmosphere. The Fukushima reactors use water as a neutron moderator, which is obviously not flammable.
Note that while Chernobyl used light water as a coolant (as distinct from heavy water), it was not a "light water reactor". The term LWR refers strictly to reactors that use light water for both cooling and neutron moderation.

The news said this was the worst nuclear power accident since Chernobyl, though.

It's the only nuclear power plant accident of its type since Chernobyl. It's easy to be the worst in a sample size of one.

Is this like Three Mile Island?

There are similarities. The final effect on the world is likely to be similar: no deaths, minimal external contamination, and a tremendous PR disaster for the nuclear industry due to bad reporting by the media.

How can I keep up with developments?

The western media has been very bad about reporting this event, due to a combination of sensationalist reporting, ignorance, and the use of inexact or unexplained terminology.

One of the safe sources of information is the TEPCO site, which has been posting press releases on a regular basis. Unfortunately, this site is often unresponsive due to the immense traffic it is receiving.

The important thing to remember is that most of the "experts" appearing on the news are engaging in speculation. Very few of them are restricting themselves to what they can be sure about, and those that are have often been misrepresented.

[Rick]

Good post, CS.

[hunter63]

Thanks, good post.

[r0ckhamm3r]

Excellent information. Thanks CS.

[crashdive123]

From my experience, this information seems to be fairly accurate. Thanks for finding it CS.

[welderguy]

Thank you for taking the time to find and post this info.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

People are very quick to believe things they don't understand if they want to. The obvious is so easily ignored when your minds are befuddled with a few "facts". I don't know, can any of you say that? The roofs have been blown off buildings designed to contain a melt down. Hows that going to contain anything? Partial meltdown is is spin to deminish the seriousness. How much is partial? 10 percent? 99.9999? 3 mile Island produced electricity the whole time so common sense would tell it's worse than that. The situation continue to worsens not improve. The news does sensationalize and at same time try to calm fears. They have gotten very good at mind manipulation. I have seen this phenominon praticed in union negotiations. The management and union throw out just enough information to make thier point and the "smart ones" sit there nodding thier heads in total agreement to get screwed again. I can accept there is a possibility I may be paranoid (I wish) but some of you need to begin to look into the possibilty that you are victims of mind control. The economy is improving? The biggest threat is the weather? Are you kidding me? Advertising and totalitarian regimes have mastered the techniques of mind control and practice it constantly. I know... you are too smart for that. That is part of the illusion. You are not smart, niether am I. If you think you are smart then demonstrate it by submitting one original thought on any subject. If you can't then you have been spoon feed everything you know. Radiation is leaking and is getting worse. How bad it will get I don't know. So far they are fighting a loosing battle. Indeed mans reach exceeds his grasp. I'll let you guys be smart...I'm checking supplies in my fall out shelter just incase.

[crashdive123]

You can believe what you like, as will I. The difference may be that I have worked in and around (not on) nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons for over 20 years of my life. The roof of the building that you cite was not designed to contain the radiation, but rather house everything else that does. Containment vessels have gone through extensive testing to ensure that they will survive the impact of a passenger jet or a missile impact. I don't think the post diminished the dangers, but rather gave a realistic snap shot of what is (not what will be).

So this mind manipulation and control that you speak of? Yeah - I'd say there's some of that going on.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The building is the last layer of containment. That's why they call it a containment building. The redundent systems continue to fail and they are rushing to improvise cooling methods. I hope they are successful.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The 7th fleet has moved further back from the reactor. Nothing to worry about I'm sure.

[Rick]

No, we're not kidding you. You just choose to believe what you choose to believe. I take a look at the numbers and do comparisons to previous numbers and look at what has been done historically. Yeah, the economy IS getting better.

The building is NOT the last layer of containment. The building that blew is not the containment building. It's two different layers. The building that blew up is little more than an aluminum skin over metal frame work. Here's a pic of the building that blew. You can see it was just the skin that exploded outward.

http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20110312/450_nuclear_reactor_japan_ap_110312.jpg

Here's a diagram of the building and its internal parts. You can see that the part that blew up is the very top.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/uploadedImages/wnn/Images/bwr%20cutaway.jpg

Why wouldn't the Navy move it's ships further back? Why put themselves needlessly at risk? Seems like a prudent move to me.

[r0ckhamm3r]

I agree, the reactor is located on the coast. The ocean is to the east of the reactor. If pressure is vented again and there is a release of radioactive vapor, the ships would be downwind and could be contaminated. It is a common sense precaution to move them out of the potential path of contamination.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Radiation is leaking now. Explain it to yourself in any terms you can accept it. Good or bad I would rather have it straight and that is not the case. Denial is not a survival strategy. I have heard other accounts on the news that contradict what you have said. The difference is I don't know what to believe.

The weather will come into play. Low pressure may cause rain that will concentrate fallout to a more immediate area, High pressure will help to disperse radiation over a larger area.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The economy getting better? How much of our dept do think Japan is going to be buying now? Forget what I said months ago that should the economy ever improve 4 dollar a gallon gas would be waiting for us again.

[Rick]

As - It's simple. The folks on here are telling you the sky is blue. The Japanese gov't is telling you the sky is blue. News agencies across the globe and nuclear scientists are telling you the sky is blue. Even the U.S. Navy is telling you the sky is blue. If you choose to believe it's red then who am I to rain on your parade?

As to the economy, the public debt and the economy are two different animals. This business cycle started in 2008. We're going on three years of this is the big one. This is the end. Well, it's not. It didn't end in 2008 or 2009 or 2010 and it's not going to end this year. Please read up on any of the indices you choose. The numbers demonstrate what any reasonable person would conclude. The economy is getting better. I don't know how else to say it other than to tell you again, if you choose to see a red sky then so be it.

[kyratshooter]

Ahhh, the sky is blue.

And its falling!

And I'm moving my ships a bit father east!

And look at all those dead birds!

And the other two reactors are blowing up very safely thank you.

And we get to spend another night with no power in sub freezing weather.

Life is truly grand under this here blue sky. Woops, that's a blue tarp, not the sky!

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I have heard on FOX news that there is 200 tons of nuclear waste stored in the facilties that have had the roofs blown off them. Have a nice day.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

A quote from someone on another forum that is living in Tokyo: "don't expect "real" numbers, this is Japan...".

[Rick]

You two enjoy your world.

The spent material is not stored in the same building for cryin' out loud. Look, there is just no confusing you with facts. I hope others read the same information and understand it for what it is. And I would not be more apt to take my information from "someone on another forum that is living in Tokyo" (so they say. It could have been Native Dude for all you know still looking for that spot that's 250 miles from nowhere.) over all the experts world wide. It can not blow up like a bomb. It can not be another Chernobyl. They may and have released pressure that does contain some radioactive gas but the odds are slim that they won't be able to contain it. Please read the article that CS posted. It's really a very good explanation.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

He did not quote the source and niether have you...I did. What makes your source of information more credible than FOX news?

[Justin Case]

Why Japan's Nuclear Meltdown Is No Chernobyl

NEW YORK – Why Japan's Nuclear Meltdown Is No ChernobylDespite the scary race to prevent two meltdowns in Japan, the man who led the Chernobyl response explains how advances in nuclear design and the swift response will prevent any damage along the lines of 1986 Soviet disaster. Plus, Josh Dzieza talks to a nuclear scientist about how bad the situation could get.

The partial meltdown of Reactor 3 at the Fukushima Daiichi power station is the most serious nuclear accident since Chernobyl, but Russian experts say the differences mercifully outweigh the similarities.

Indeed it may be thanks in part to the terrible legacy of the April 1986 disaster that Fukushima's meltdown can be contained. "The accident at Fukushima shows that experts around the world drew some important lessons from what happened at Chernobyl," said nuclear engineer Ilgiz Iskhatov, who was decorated for his role in containing the fallout of the Chernobyl blast. "Now nuclear power-station designs and safety systems are capable of withstanding much more serious accidents [than Chernobyl]."

Continued @ http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20110314/ts_dailybeast/12907_whyjapansnuclearmeltdownisnochernobyl

[Sourdough]

Sorry, I just have a hard time trusting any Government, for that matter I have a hard time trusting any organization with an agenda to spin.........Some new numbers:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gamma-radiation-fukushima-downwind-ibaraki-disclosed-30-times-above-normal

[r0ckhamm3r]

I distrust most things that come from a government as well, but the physics involved are not subject to political spin.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Radiation is leaking now! They are not containing it, not all of it and continues to leak more with each report. The situation is not under control. Not yet, not even close and way to soon to be predicting sunshine and lolipops with the trend heading for the worse not better.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I distrust most things that come from a government as well, but the physics involved are not subject to political spin.

Yeah but do you understand them? Are these the same people that said this could never happen?

[r0ckhamm3r]

Look at it this way, with so much daylight during the summer months, you wont notice that you glow in the dark.

Sorry, just had to poke a little fun.

The radiation leaks are certainly not a good thing, but I think the danger to us is minimal.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Chernoble had effects on Poland and Scotland. All depends which way the wind blows.

[BENESSE]

Chernoble had serious effects on crops all over eastern Europe.

[Rick]

You're correct, I did not. Only because I've read so many different articles and viewed so many different programs. Here are a few I've been tracking.

Here's a good diagram that explains what is occurring. Click on the Normal, After the Quake and Fixing the problem.

Another good explanation from Discover Magazine.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/14/the-japanese-nuclear-reactor-overreaction/

And another:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0314/Japanese-nuclear-reactor-update-Amid-signs-of-progress-new-problems

[Rick]

I'm done with this. We going to die. In fact, we're probably dead already. Choi.

[Justin Case]

I'm done with this. We going to die. In fact, we're probably dead already. Choi.

http://www.spurgeonworld.com/blog/images/2007/radiation.jpg

[Alaskan Survivalist]

There has been another exposion at the #2 reactor and the Japenese government is suspecting damage to the concrete containment and radiation is leaking from it.

[Rick]

Do you have a source on the damaged containment building? I've seen reports of a third explosion but no assessments on damage.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

2.5 meters of one fuel rod is now exposed. All but 50 employees have just been evacuated. There is speculation outer cantainment has been damage and radiation around facility is rising. Wind is blowing out to sea but radiation levels are rising in two nieghboring towns said to be about 1/10 the amount a normal xray. But I'm sure duration of exposier needs to be factored.

[Rick]

Sorry, I just have a hard time trusting any Government, for that matter I have a hard time trusting any organization with an agenda to spin.........Some new numbers:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gam...s-above-normal (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gamma-radiation-fukushima-downwind-ibaraki-disclosed-30-times-above-normal)

I confess that the numbers he presented were completely Greek to me. I did some checking and those numbers seem be posted by every Blog and Gold Forum from here to Hobocken but no one bothers to explain it. So I went looking for the numbers and here's what I found.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1394413/pg1

I hope this helps.

[Pal334]

Do you have a source on the damaged containment building? I've seen reports of a third explosion but no assessments on damage.

This may be what you are looking for

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/14/japan-quake-live-blog-rescuers-from-all-over-pitch-in-to-help/

[Rick]

I didn't see anything about the containment building being damaged or radiation leaking. In fact I haven't seen anything along those lines. Only another hydrogen explosion.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I didn't see anything about the containment building being damaged or radiation leaking. In fact I haven't seen anything along those lines. Only another hydrogen explosion.

The only on site information is coming from the Japenese Government and FOX is quoting them and showing thier press releases. The way I understood it it was not another hydrogen explosion and was centered low in the reactor hence the suspected damage to containment of water. This third explosion is being reported as being worse than the other two.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

My post was meant as an information only post and obviously can not stay current all day long. The source was an individual that is not government or Japanese. It was just a knowledgeable person stating his "take" on what is happening when he wrote it. That is why I gave the prelude "take it or leave it" Noone said it is not a dire situation, only that it was not being reported accurately and some knowledge was given about "how things work".

[Justin Case]

The only on site information is coming from the Japenese Government and FOX is quoting them and showing thier press releases. The way I understood it it was not another hydrogen explosion and was centered low in the reactor hence the suspected damage to containment of water. This third explosion is being reported as being worse than the other two.

CNN is saying the same thing..

[Sourdough]

If there is no danger, why not send the top Japan Government people into the reactor sites and hold a press conference, with champagne and photos of the NON-Damage. I don't care about the smile's spin, as long as the wind does not blow ENE.

[crashdive123]

I don't think that anybody is saying there is no danger - there certainly is - and it certainly has the possibility of getting worse. The hype and hysteria of comparing it to Chernobyl - well that's all it is. Different types of reactors - differnt containment.

I haven't seen any reports of evidence that any of the containment stuctures have been breached. There has been some speculation - about a lot of things though.

[Sourdough]

Eric Talmadge and Elaine Kurtenbach, Associated Press, On Monday March 14, 2011, 11:15 pm
SOMA, Japan (AP) -- Radiation spewed Tuesday from a crippled nuclear power plant in tsunami-ravaged northeastern Japan in a dramatic escalation of the 4-day-old catastrophe, forcing the government to tell people nearby to stay indoors to avoid exposure.

In a nationally televised statement, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said radiation has spread from four reactors of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant in Fukushima province that was one of the hardest-hit in Friday's 9.0-magnitude earthquake and the ensuing tsunami.

"The level seems very high, and there is still a very high risk of more radiation coming out," Kan said.

This is the worst nuclear crisis Japan has faced since the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.

Kan warned there are dangers of more leaks and told people living within 19 miles (30 kilometers) of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex to stay indoors to avoid radiation sickness.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said a fourth reactor at the complex was on fire and more radiation had been released.

He said the reactor, even though it was unoperational, was believed to be the source of the elevated radiation release because of the hydrogen release that triggered the fire.

"Now we are talking about levels that can damage human health. These are readings taken near the area where we believe the releases are happening. Far away, the levels should be lower," he said.

"Please do not go outside. Please stay indoors. Please close windows and make your homes airtight. Don't turn on ventilators. Please hang on your laundry indoors," he said.

"These are figures that potentially affect health, there is no mistake about that," he said.

[r0ckhamm3r]

The adage in the Navy is Time, Distance and Shielding. Minimize time of exposure, maximize distance from the source and maximize the shielding. I think Distance is the major factor here.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

It looks like no good can come of this...I guess I was hopeful my child would have a world to grow up in like my Father had. My apologies it just isn't going to be.

[Sourdough]

Radiation is just now hitting "Edo" aka Tokyo, Japan. (60 miles away)

[Sourdough]

It looks like no good can come of this...I guess I was hopeful my child would have a world to grow up in like my Father had. My apologies it just isn't going to be.

I was shocked at how many reactors are in South & North Carolina.........WOW.

[r0ckhamm3r]

Fortunately that's all WAY downwind of me. The only one I really have to worry about is Wichita, 250 miles upwind.

[BENESSE]

It looks like no good can come of this...I guess I was hopeful my child would have a world to grow up in like my Father had. My apologies it just isn't going to be.

It could always be worse.
She could be a Japanese child whose grandfather lived through nuclear war. And now this.
It's a sad, sad, state of affairs.
Make the most of what you have now, every day is a gift.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Reactor #4 now on fire. What is not being said is this radioactive Isotopes will be floating around thousands of years. Even dispersed no one knows what long terms effects will be on the environment. I see this event much like the gulf oil spill at the moment.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Now they are saying they are unable to pump water into #4 reactor.

[Justin Case]

GMA is showing Radiation suits and hand scanners in their studio ,, hmmmm,,

[Rick]

How Serious is the Radiation Threat?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0315/Fukushima-nuclear-crisis-How-serious-is-the-radiation-threat

[Justin Case]

How Serious is the Radiation Threat?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0315/Fukushima-nuclear-crisis-How-serious-is-the-radiation-threat


Monday night, radiation levels spiked to dangerous levels, but within hours had fallen to less than 1 percent of that. The radiation exposure so far should not pose a serious threat to humans.

"Dangerous Levels",,,,,,,,,,,, "Not a threat",,,, now that makes sense NOT,,,

[Rick]

You've taken it out of context. "not a threat" comes after the fact that levels had fallen.

[Justin Case]

You've taken it out of context. "not a threat" comes after the fact that levels had fallen.

tell that to the guys working near the plant ;) :)

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The slightest exposure to second hand hand smoke puts your life at risk but radio active particles no problem. Is it any wonder I don't believe anything?

[Rick]

You took it out of context, too. You're exposed to radiation every single day. You guys read stuff the way you want to read it.

[Justin Case]

You took it out of context, too. You're exposed to radiation every single day. You guys read stuff the way you want to read it.

You say I have lost weight ,,,,,,Why thank you Rick,,, I have been working out ! :)

[kyratshooter]

Rick, I'll bet you think they will have air-conditioning in the seventh level of hell and there is a silver lining behind the cloud that just brought the F4 tornado down your street!

Radiation exposure is not like going on a diet. You can not overdo it, then back off on your intake to make up the difference. What it goes "back down too" is totally irrelevant compared to what you were just exposed too.

This is probably now a moot point due to the continued problems at the plants. They have now pulled all the workers out, widened the safty zone and basically given up on saving the containment vessels.

We have 23 of these plants in the U.S. at 16 locations. Several on the east coast and one near Chicago.

They were declared unsafe in the 70s and recommended to be taken off line due to the weak containment vessels.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fukushima-mark-nuclear-reactor-design-caused-ge-scientist/story?id=13141287

[Justin Case]

On GMA this morning that Japanese physicist (missed his name but you all know him see pic)says we are looking at an event equal to "Several Chernobyls" and the Air Force needs to do the same thing with all these reactors,,, seal them in concrete.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/isler010/asianamericanstudies/michio.jpg

[Canadian-guerilla]

someone let me know when i can run outside in my camo loincloth and yell

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!!

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I bet there are some good deals on beach front property in Japan now for smart people with the keen business sense I see on this forum.

[Justin Case]

Chernobyl 25 Years Later Becomes Japan’s Lesson on Meltdown
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-16/chernobyl-25-years-later-becomes-japan-s-lesson-on-meltdown.html

[Rick]

You know, AS, your attitude is actually atrocious with anyone that disagrees with you. The level of paranoia I see on this forum is pretty sad.

KY - I agree with your assessment on radiation. The thing is no one, except possibly the workers on site, have been exposed to high levels of radiation. If radiation levels increase and then fall and no one is exposed what's the panic? I don't panic over speculation, innuendo and unknowns. I don't blame the government for some conspiracy and don't blame "them" for any and all failings that saunter along.

Justin - With the workers removed and no other options on the horizon, a sarcophagus for each reactor may be the only answer. It's pretty sad, really. The physicist you have pictured is Dr. Kaku. He's American by the way. I have read a lot of his work and watched a lot of his presentations. I have a lot of respect for him. If he says bury them then I have to agree.

[MidWestMat]

You know the Japs already got nuked twice, I dont think a little fallout is going to be the end of the world. For them or anyone else. And if some people get sick and die from the radiation, well God be with them. But people get sick and die from our toxic environment all the time....

So for my part, and my advice for others is the same..Take a deep breath, utter a prayer, keep on keeping on.

[Rick]

I wish you guys wouldn't do this. I pulled the video of Kaku and that's not what he said. IF there is a full melt down and IF the containment buildings crack. He said in a worse case scenario it would be that bad. Here's the interview.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/japans-last-line-of-defense-13146080

[Rick]

And KY, you did exactly the same thing. The workers were pulled BRIEFLY because of high levels of radiation.

"Japans nuclear crisis appeared to be spinning out of control on Wednesday after workers withdrew briefly from a stricken power plant because of surging radiation levels..."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/16/us-japan-quake-idUSTRE72A0SS20110316

You guys chastise the media for sensationalizing and not reporting things accurately and then you come on here and do the same thing. That's why posting your sources in so important. I don't want folks to believe ME. I don't want them to believe any of YOU either. I want them to have all the facts and then decide for themselves. They can't do that when you guys just post partial truths.

[Justin Case]

I wish you guys wouldn't do this. I pulled the video of Kaku and that's not what he said. IF there is a full melt down and IF the containment buildings crack. He said in a worse case scenario it would be that bad. Here's the interview.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/japans-last-line-of-defense-13146080

They ARE cracked rick,, at least that is what is being reported ,,, Dont get stuck thinking this cannot be a Chernobyl like event,,, thanks for finding the video,, I was just listening to it in the background, but to me, The Video is still very compelling... Things ARE and HAVE BEEN going from bad to worse, to assume that the situation is all of a sudden reverse course and be all better is a mistake IMO,,, They also said this morning that the Japanese HAVE asked the US Military for help now.

[Rick]

That's not true either unless you have a source for it. Everything I've read and have been reading this morning says there is speculation that two of the containment buildings may have cracked. That's not the same thing. If you have a definitive source then please post it because I haven't seen one yet.

[Justin Case]

I guess we will have to wait and see,, There is no denying things are getting worse,,,, not many more things can happen before full scale melt down.. its alot like the oil spill,,,, how long was it before we "Really" knew how bad it was ?? put you helmet on, The sky IS falling over there,, ;)

[Justin Case]

That's not true either unless you have a source for it. Everything I've read and have been reading this morning says there is speculation that two of the containment buildings may have cracked. That's not the same thing. If you have a definitive source then please post it because I haven't seen one yet.

"may have" means "DID" IMO

http://www.outlookseries.com/A0997/Security/3606_Yukio_Edano_Japan_Fukushima_Nuclear_Reactor_T hree_Containment_Vessel_Cracked_Yukio_Edano.htm

[Rick]

Exactly my point.

"Yukio Edano, Japan: Fukushima Nuclear Reactor Three Containment Vessel May Have Cracked." It's speculation.

[Justin Case]

Exactly my point.

"Yukio Edano, Japan: Fukushima Nuclear Reactor Three Containment Vessel May Have Cracked." It's speculation.

So is the sun Rising tomorrow ;)

[Rick]

I don't understand the question, I guess. I'm not saying the vessels are or are not breached. All I'm saying is I don't know and I haven't seen any reports that say they have been or are still in good shape. Yet, many are coming on here saying they have been breached without any corroborating proof. That can scare the bejeesus out of folks that might be reading this forum and isn't responsible.

[Justin Case]

Its what we are hearing on the news,,,,, granted they will say one thing one min and something else the next. Ok,, , we dont know whats really going on over there, only what they are telling us,, wait and see i guess.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

You know, AS, your attitude is actually atrocious with anyone that disagrees with you. The level of paranoia I see on this forum is pretty sad.


Rick you said

“I'm done with this. We going to die. In fact, we're probably dead already. Choi.”

Canadian Gorilla says “someone let me know when i can run outside in my camo loincloth and yell

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!!

I said “I bet there are some good deals on beach front property in Japan now for smart people with the keen business sense I see on this forum.

All three remarks are sarcastic. Why does mine stand out as atrocious?

Consider this my source of your hypocrisy

[Rick]

I'll let your post stand as my proof of mine. Thank you.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I'll let your post stand as my proof of mine. Thank you.

That's why you're the man. My hats off to you.

[letslearntogether47]

The workers that remain there.

Aristotle, in his "The Aim of Man" A discussion about the "highest good" he writes,
"Even supposing the chief good to be eventually the aim for the individual as for the state, that of the state is evidently of greater and more fundamental importance both to attain and to preserve. The securing of one individual's good is cause for rejoicing, but to secure the good of a nation or of a city-state is nobler and more divine."

Many will know this statement in short form"the good of the many outweighs the good of the few,or the one".
It is spoken in one of the Star Trek movies when Spock sacrifies himself for the good of the ship.
Ironically,this also involved radiation.

[Pal334]

In my opinion, it is a developing situation. As with all developing situations, the news is Contradictory ,so is of limited value. No denying something bad is happening, but you just need to visit the home page of CNN (as an example) to see the conflicting information they are posting. I think I will "monitor" multiple sources of news and wait for some sort of concensus to develop.
May I suggest a cool off period, may help reduce the level of acrimony.
Remember, we all have our opinions, perhaps prefacing posts with something like " In my opinion". Or if you are siting an article, post a site and then your interpretation/understanding

[BENESSE]

..."the good of the many outweighs the good of the few,or the one".

That won't play here too well. Maybe another forum.

[Justin Case]

I am not now or ever was upset while posting in this thread :) Everybody is entitled to their own feelings , Hopefully things remain friendly :hugs:

[letslearntogether47]

That won't play here too well. Maybe another forum.

How about the "electric generator"forum?:D

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I have to wonder why many projects are build so large they cannot be controlled. Would it not have been better to have built more smaller reactors that a fire truck could supply all the water needed to cool it? I see it all the time. The Alaska Gas line is another example. They make it into a giant project that may never happen when thry could have laid a 2 inch line 20 years ago and been pumping natural gas all this time. Why are things built so large they get out of control?

[Rick]

I am not now or ever was upset while posting in this thread

Nor am I. I don't take things personally.

[Justin Case]

I just seen on ABC that it is now SNOWING in Japan,,, In the areas affected by the Tidal Wave,, AT SEA LEVEL,,,, wow,, that seems so odd to me,,,,,

http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Sendai+Japan+JAXX0104

[r0ckhamm3r]

We should all just take a breath and remember we all share a common interest. We all want our families to be safe.

Again, we really have no hard numbers to work with. Panic based on vague assumptions and generalizations does not help anyone. Even if the absolute worst happens, the effects on North America should be minimal. There is a lot of distance between the reactors and the West coast of North America. Distance is good. It allows particulate matter to settle.

I have a healthy distrust of government, but we HAVE to depend on the numbers we receive from the Japanese government. We have no way of independently verifying the numbers they give to the press. Anything else is just wild speculation.

[crashdive123]

I have to wonder why many projects are build so large they cannot be controlled. Would it not have been better to have built more smaller reactors that a fire truck could supply all the water needed to cool it? I see it all the time. The Alaska Gas line is another example. They make it into a giant project that may never happen when thry could have laid a 2 inch line 20 years ago and been pumping natural gas all this time. Why are things built so large they get out of control?

I don't think that technology existed 40 years ago when these were built, but it's something that is being worked on. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_22/b4180020375312.htm With even the newer Gen III reactors where cooling pumps are not needed, I don't think we'd be having these conversations.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Panic based on vague assumptions and generalizations does not help anyone.

Who is in a panic? I have a fallout shelter.

[Justin Case]

Who is in a panic? I have a fallout shelter.

I AM ! have you seen the jet stream projections ? lol ;)

[r0ckhamm3r]

If I am going to panic, it will be about something that makes sense, like those evil naked mole rats that are trying to take over the world. Their diabolical plans are about to come to fruition. Japan and the middle east are just the beginning. The next phase will involve their deliberate sabotage of my lawn.

[Justin Case]

I hope this doesn't affect Top ramen imports ! I'll starve !

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I hope this doesn't affect Top ramen imports ! I'll starve !

If I was under that much stress in California I would go to the doctor. Just one of many uses of medical marijuana.

[Justin Case]

LOL,,,, I know right !

[kyratshooter]

This is the first time in years that I have spent this much time surfing the Drudge Report. Nice place to have access to about 50 wire services.

This thing is developing so fast that by the time we post something it is outdated.

Britain and France have issued warnings for all nationals to get out of Tokyo and off the Islands.

The sushi bars in San Fransisco are in a tizy due to failed shipments.

Fellows, if you can measure the spike it is too late! The bullet has hit you and you are walking dead. Just because folks are not dropping in their tracks does not mean there is no danger. I thought everyone had that concept down back in the late 1940s.

[Rick]

I heard on CNN earlier that the US Embassy is requesting all U.S. citizens to evacuate to a 60 mile radius from the plant although the Embassy website doesn't state that.

[Justin Case]

Happening Now: Live coverage of Japan earthquake aftermath


http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2


LIVE STREAM from local TV http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv

[Sourdough]

2000 TONS of spent fuel Rods: If you ain't read this when I posted it early on...........Read it now: http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/09/effects_of_an_emp_attack_or_se.html

2000 Tons of spent fuel rods feeding each other............Recipe for Horrific.

[Trabitha]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8384059/Japan-earthquake-Japan-warned-over-nuclear-plants-WikiLeaks-cables-show.html
Japan earthquake: Japan warned over nuclear plants, WikiLeaks cables show.


ooops!

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The news I've been watching says the fires are spent fuel rods that are exposed that have heated to the point of burning. Does any body know what happens when they burn? Does this in anyway lesson the radioctive danger? Could just letting them burnout be an option? It seems to be what is going to happen anyway.

[Trabitha]

They burn HOT. The rods must be kept submerged in water. It takes a MASSIVE amount of time for them to cool and the water evaporates from their heat. When it evaporates to the point where the tops of the rods are exposed, the temp. eventually gets to the point where they will catch fire. The fire will spread if they are not cooled quickly, and will eventually lead to an explosion.

[Sourdough]

The news I've been watching says the fires are spent fuel rods that are exposed that have heated to the point of burning. Does any body know what happens when they burn? Does this in anyway lesson the radioctive danger? Could just letting them burnout be an option? It seems to be what is going to happen anyway.



http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/09/effects_of_an_emp_attack_or_se.html

[Alaskan Survivalist]

They burn HOT. The rods must be kept submerged in water. It takes a MASSIVE amount of time for them to cool and the water evaporates from their heat. When it evaporates to the point where the tops of the rods are exposed, the temp. eventually gets to the point where they will catch fire. The fire will spread if they are not cooled quickly, and will eventually lead to an explosion.

That makes sense...not what I wanted to hear. Thanks.

[BENESSE]

Here's a hypothetical I'm wondering about.
Say, you need to evacuate your home because of potential dangerous radiation levels.
1. How quickly do those levels degenerate before you can safely come back?
2. Is your stored food affected in any way--all those dried beans and rice and Mountain House? Will it ever be safe again?

[Trabitha]

I don't know about how quickly the levels will degenerate...but I always learned NEVER to eat the food left behind. I heard stories of people eating the food used at test sites years ago, claiming it was safe...and then getting rather ill.
I would never eat it...

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Here's a hypothetical I'm wondering about.
Say, you need to evacuate your home because of potential dangerous radiation levels.
1. How quickly do those levels degenerate before you can safely come back?
2. Is your stored food affected in any way--all those dried beans and rice and Mountain House? Will it ever be safe again?

Old cold war films said you should be prepared to stay underground for 2 weeks.

[Sourdough]

Here's a hypothetical I'm wondering about.
Say, you need to evacuate your home because of potential dangerous radiation levels.
1. How quickly do those levels degenerate before you can safely come back?
2. Is your stored food affected in any way--all those dried beans and rice and Mountain House? Will it ever be safe again?



You might ask, “well, if the containment structure can contain the melted reactor core, is there a real danger to the public?” The answer is, “yes,” but not from where you think. The reactor core may well be the focus of most people, but the real concern is somewhere else.

What many people don't know about nuclear power plants is that when spent fuel is off-loaded from the reactor core, the fuel is then placed into what is essentially a large, very deep swimming pool called the “spent fuel pool.” Fuel that has been removed from an operating reactor core is still very hot (both in the sense of temperature and radiation level). In fact, if you were to stand within even 50 feet of a spent fuel assembly with no shielding, you would receive a lethal dose of radiation in just seconds. The water in the spent fuel pool, in addition to cooling the fuel assemblies, acts as a biological shield. In fact, water is an excellent shielding material. You can stand at the top of the spent fuel pool in virtually any nuclear power plant in the US and receive virtually no dose of radiation, so long as the fuel assemblies are covered by about 25 feet of water.

The building that houses the spent fuel pools at nuclear power plants in this country is usually a simple building, with concrete sides and floors but usually with nothing but a thin, corrugated steel roof. This is the root of the problem. Just like the fuel in the reactor, the fuel assemblies in the spent fuel in pool must also be cooled. These pools have their own independent, multiply redundant systems for cooling, separate from the systems that cool the reactor core. However, these pool cooling systems can be cross-tied with the reactor cooling systems in an emergency. The water in the spent fuel pool must be continuously circulated through heat exchangers (again, like your car radiator) to reject heat. Loss of off-site power will also cause a loss of spent fuel cooling. Normally, the temperature in these spent fuel pools is somewhere around 100 to 110 degrees F or so (similar to a typical suburban “hot tub”). When the spent fuel cooling system pumps stop operating, the fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool will immediately begin to heat up. These fuel assemblies will continue to heat the water in the spent fuel pool until it boils. The best case scenario of “time to boil” for these spent fuel pools is perhaps 90 hours. The worst case, such as just after a core offload, would be much shorter, perhaps as little as four hours or even less. At that point, once the fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool become uncovered because the water has boiled off, the effects mirror what would happen in the reactor core. The spent fuel assemblies will heat up until the fuel cladding starts to melt. As bits of the melting fuel fall into what is left of the water in the pool, the process will just accelerate as the heat source is now more concentrated since it has fallen back into the water and the water may flash to steam and this may cause the pressure in the building to increase, and radioactive steam, carrying radioactive particles, will now begin to exit the building through the non-sealed penetrations, portals or doors in the building.

Of course, there are usually multiple sources of water than can be called upon to re-fill the spent fuel pool before the water all boils off. But virtually all of these systems are dependent upon working, electrically operated pumps to move this water. If control systems have failed due to the EMP and there is no power to operate the pumps (either to add additional water or to pump water through the heat exchangers), then the fuel will ultimately become uncovered. Exposing the hot zirconium fuel cladding to air and steam causes an exothermic reaction, and the cladding will actually catch fire at about 1,000 degrees C. Even the NRC concedes that this type of fire cannot be extinguished, and could rage for days (Source: Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Vol. 58, No. 1, Jan./Feb. 2002).

The bottom-line is that if the spent fuel cooling pumps cannot be operated or the system cannot be cross-tied with the reactor shutdown cooling system, then the fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool will melt, catch fire, and radioactive fission products will be released into the atmosphere and much of the countryside downwind of the nuclear power plant will be contaminated for many years. Thus, an EMP attack has the potential to cause a Chernobyl type accident at every nuclear power plant in the country!

There are a lot of “ifs” to this scenario. IF there is an EMP attack or solar event. IF the emergency diesel generators will function (or not) and IF the spent fuel pooling system can get power from the diesels or be cross-tied to the shutdown cooling system. Perhaps the emergency diesel generators will still function, but what happens when they run out of fuel? In the event of an EMP attack, can tanker trucks with diesel fuel get to all of the nuclear power plants in the US in time to re-fuel them before they stop running? Will tanker trucks even be running themselves?

I think it also bears noting that the volume of fuel in the spent fuel pools is many times greater than that in the reactor cores. Most nuclear power plants have 10 to 20 years or more of spent fuel stored in their spent fuel pools. Therefore, the consequences of a spent fuel pool melting down and subsequently spewing radioactive fission products into the air is potentially worse than if just the reactor core were to melt and its fission products releases into the air. Assuming all of the spent fuel in the pool melts, catches fire and the radioactive isotopes are released into the atmosphere, lethal dose rates may be accumulated even 5 to 10 miles from the plant site (>500 REM), with dose approaching 50 REM even out as far as 50 miles. Since Cesium-137 would be the largest released isotope in terms of curies (which the body preferentially uptakes over potassium), it will be about 300 years before the area might be habitable again. This is because Cesium-137 has a half-life of about 30 years, and the “rule of thumb” is that you need to wait ten half-lives before the isotope has decayed away to a negligible level. (Results for dose were calculated for a typical pressurized water reactor (PWR) spent fuel pool using the RASCAL radiation dose code from Oak Ridge National Laboratory assuming 100% release over two days, winter conditions, calm winds at 4 mph.)

[BENESSE]

I read the survivalblog but it still doesn't answer my question about
stored (cans, buckets, jars, dehydrated, freeze-dried) food safety.
If you bail out with a BOB and come home after a month when all's clear, will your stash be safe for consumption?

That's providing you haven't stored your food in some type of a fall-out shelter, or under 25' of water, etc.

[kyratshooter]

I read the survivalblog but it still doesn't answer my question about
stored (cans, buckets, jars, dehydrated, freeze-dried) food safety.
If you bail out with a BOB and come home after a month when all's clear, will your stash be safe for consumption?

That's providing you haven't stored your food in some type of a fall-out shelter, or under 25' of water, etc.

If you are more than 50 miles from the radiation source your supplies should be usable. The real worry outside about 12 miles is particulates in the air. If you wash off your canned goods they should be safe. Same for washing the particulates off your skin and clothing.

The radiation itself is line of sight electromagnetic discharge. The steam and dust from the explosion/burnoff will be radiated and floating. It will settle naturally onto surfaces, or be washed from the air by rain or snow, which is also radioactive.

When I was a kid we were not allowed to eat the snow, even if it was not yellow. They were still doing above ground testing here, USSR and in China. Massive nuke explosions were taking place on a regular basis and if we had enough distance we were safe. Only New Mexico still glows in the dark.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Only New Mexico still glows in the dark.

KY, what is this based on? My entire family is living in the Tijeras Mountains except me and my little girl?

[r0ckhamm3r]

The Trinity Nuclear test site at White Sands Proving Ground?

This was the fallout pattern after the test:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trinity_fallout.png

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Japan is the second largest buyer of our debt. Not buying our debt will have huge consequences but what if they begin to sell it it off?

[Sourdough]

Japan is the second largest buyer of our debt. Not buying our debt will have huge consequences but what if they begin to sell it it off?

Why do you thing the U.S. Dollar went into the crapper today in relation to the Yen.........? A bigger issue might be if China see Japan dumping US Treasuries......what will China do......? Buy them.......? or liquidate some of there position.......? This would make the US Dollar worthless......then "YOU" get your one world currency.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Why do you thing the U.S. Dollar went into the crapper today in relation to the Yen.........? A bigger issue might be if China see Japan dumping US Treasuries......what will China do......? Buy them.......? or liquidate some of there position.......? This would make the US Dollar worthless......then "YOU" get your one world currency.

That did seem odd but I did not make the connection. All curencies are valued against each other so I have never taken them as much of an indication. They are all losing value.

[Rick]

Look at the sale of the Yen. It skyrocketed. That's why the yen rose so sharply against the dollar. Currency investors were buying the yen like crazy. The speculation is the Japanese will pull cash from other countries (called repatriation) in order to pay for all the damage. The Euro and the Sterling both took a hit against the dollar as well.

I read that the G7 will be holding a conference call tomorrow (Friday) to determine if they will provide help to Japan. So far, the Japanese have said they don't need financial help but the conference call and a statement by the G7 that they are prepared to assist would no doubt quench a lot of fear and probably bolster the Nikei. But that's just my guess. EDIT: The G7 call is today, sorry.

The Japanese surely don't want a strong Yen any more than we do. The higher the Yen the more costly their exports and right now is the wrong time for their exports to be expensive. They need to push everything they can manufacturer to build liquidity.

I also read somewhere that the Japanese had already established a rebuild budget based on the earthquake disaster in Kobie. They did so early on before the full scope of the disaster was known but said they would have no problem meeting the rest of it.

Right now their biggest problem, in terms of finance, is speculation and fear. At least that's my assessment.

[Rick]

"A Japanese government spokesman, Noriyuki Shikata, warded off fears of an imminent meltdown, telling CNN on Thursday, "We have not seen a major breach of containment" at any of the plant's troubled nuclear reactors."

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/17/japan.disaster/?hpt=T1

[crashdive123]

The following comment is about a news story I watched last night, and not a commentary about any discussions we've had on this topic.

In that story - every pharmacy, health food store, or other provider of KI is out (in Jacksonville, FL). Some patrons were waiting in line for new shipments that were due to arrive soon. They sited the potential threat from the "deadly cloud" headed toward the United States. Remember - this is Florida. While I am POSITIVE that any airborne contamination is not a threat to the residents of Florida, people should prepare for what they perceived as a threat. In this case, education would go a long way.

None of the people interviewed "ever considered a hazard from radiation". Really? Our biggest and ongoing threat is sunshine, but that aside ----- Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base - home to the East Coast Trident Submarine Force. Each ship has a nuclear reactor. Each ship is capable of carrying 24 D5 missiles. Also at Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base is the Strategic Weapons Facility Atlantic. A nuclear powered Air Craft Carrier is about to be home ported at Mayport Naval Base. There is an NFL stadium in downtown Jacksonville - a prime target for those that would wish us harm.

Educating ones self about the possibility of threats is important. Misinformation and panic are dangerous.

[letslearntogether47]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/03/16/ex-rad-militarys-radiation-wonder-drug/

[kyratshooter]

KY, what is this based on? My entire family is living in the Tijeras Mountains except me and my little girl?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test)

Never heard of a place called Los Alamos? The Manhattan Project?

It looks like your family was about 25 miles from the first atomic bomb lab.

Also one of the first radiation overdose accidents. They used to test critical mass by hand. They took two chunks of plutonium and slid them together slowly with a geiger counter in the middle. One tech was bumped while "Tickling the Tiger" and wiped out a whole room full of radiation techs. Their deaths were very closely studied and we base much of our radiation medicene on their deaths.

New Mexico was just the first of the U.S. test sites. Much of the testing was done in Nevada.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

"A Japanese government spokesman, Noriyuki Shikata, warded off fears of an imminent meltdown, telling CNN on Thursday, "We have not seen a major breach of containment" at any of the plant's troubled nuclear reactors."

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/17/japan.disaster/?hpt=T1

They are not easing fears just proving they are downplaying the situation. High levels are being found 18 miles away. Low levels are expected to be hitting the California coast tomorrow. Containment? The thing is spewing radiation! Spin and word games is all you get from the news. I think they offer conflicting reports to keep us argueing and turning outrage towards each other. Don't you ever feel like a rat in a maze reacting to stimuli?

[roar-k]

I have not read every post or half the posts for that matter, but have you all read where there has been no looting reported?

[Rick]

The radiation is coming from the spent fuel rods not the containment buildings. But you assess it any way you want. Do you understand the difference between the containment buildings and the reactor buildings?
If you go back and look at the diagram I posted you'll see the difference. I actually saw that same diagram on the news last night. Maybe they got it from here. Is EVERYTHING a conspiracy?

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The radiation is coming from the spent fuel rods not the containment buildings. But you assess it any way you want. Do you understand the difference between the containment buildings and the reactor buildings?
If you go back and look at the diagram I posted you'll see the difference. I actually saw that same diagram on the news last night. Maybe they got it from here. Is EVERYTHING a conspiracy?

Yes I do. I also have a simple understanding that something that is contained is not spilling out. Spinning words don't change anything. The question should be is everything a lie? Yes it is. The Japenese government are making statements that are being contested by our nuclear regulation experts using drones to do fly overs. I've heard reports one of the containments is fractured. I don't know who is lieing all I know is who has reason too. I can see the explosions and smoke high in the sky over the reactor. How can that be good? I would expect that once the area was secured by the Japenese so no one else could verify the information the reports would improve.

[Rick]

Amazing....

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Amazing....

Thank you! Yes, your remark could be taken either way but here I can choose to be optimistic.

[Justin Case]

Snort,,,, chuckle,,,, :)

[Alaskan Survivalist]

This is old but unchanged news. I guess once the news agencies have talked it to death the perception is the crissis is over even though it continues to spew radiation and a partial melt down has occured. The situation remains out of control.

[Justin Case]

I heard this morning that the radiation levels are 100 thousand time safe levels at the plant... WOW That means Dangerous x 100,000 !

[roar-k]

Hmmm, I wonder how Oak Ridge would be if some sort of disaster struck.....

[Ssgt_DimeBag]

The economy getting better? How much of our dept do think Japan is going to be buying now? Forget what I said months ago that should the economy ever improve 4 dollar a gallon gas would be waiting for us again.

Yep and we have our own problems here.Plus the Japanese plan on shutting down American auto plants.
If people are worried about fallout here is a good map updates every 3 min. http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

[Justin Case]

People think that all of Japan was destroyed,, in reality , it was just a couple of coast towns,,, yes its sad, but 99.9 % of Japan in intact,, none of their military was lost ? they should have lots of helicopters and other resources,,, Just sayin ....

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Just saw on the news highly radioactive water is draining into the ocean from fractured containment core. Air radiation is spiking in the area as well and situation continues to worsen.

[Sourdough]

Just saw on the news highly radioactive water is draining into the ocean from fractured containment core. Air radiation is spiking in the area as well and situation continues to worsen.

What I find interesting is that the WOW factor left the Main Stream Media two weeks ago. It just keeps getting more horrific, but everyone is bored with that old story.

[Winnie]

It's not that everyone is bored with that old story at all, the Media is bored with that old story. They have done it to death every which way to sunday and have run out of ideas to sensationalise it.
The story is still unfolding and I truly feel for Japanese, but until something else newsworthy comes out of Japan it will sit on the back burner.
Personally, I would love to see a regular update, but that won't happen for the above reasons.

[Rick]

I'm not certain where you folks are looking but I see updates everyday on the situation. I use Google News and there are always updates. This morning there are 16, 598 news articles on the Japan disaster from agencies like Rueters, CNN, The Wall Street Journal, etc.

[roar-k]

I'm not certain where you folks are looking but I see updates everyday on the situation. I use Google News and there are always updates. This morning there are 16, 598 news articles on the Japan disaster from agencies like Rueters, CNN, The Wall Street Journal, etc.

I see the same thing as you.

[Winnie]

I stand corrected.

[Rick]

Try www.news.google.com (http://www.news.google.com)

You can customize it to see only the subjects you want like Sports, Health, Business, etc. and you can get local news all in one sitting.

[roar-k]

Every time I log into one of my emails at Yahoo the first thing I see is about Japan.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

10,000 gallons of highly radioactive water has been dumped in the ocean to prevent it from becoming more radioactive keeping levels to some political acceptable level. Go back to sleep.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

10,000 gallons of highly radioactive water has been dumped in the ocean to prevent it from becoming more radioactive keeping levels to some political acceptable level. Go back to sleep.

AS I understand it there is no fishing allowed now in the zone. Well, now I hope someone told the fish!

[Rick]

Every article I've read said it was low level radioactive water. If you have a source that says it was highly radioactive I'd like to see it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/04/us-japan-nuclear-water-idUSTRE7336L720110404

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jBT14vjP6E-x8acbdl67bV8CHKvw?docId=04c4a68a64ea4469b4e5feb2de d28fae

[Justin Case]

Every article I've read said it was low level radioactive water. If you have a source that says it was highly radioactive I'd like to see it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/04/us-japan-nuclear-water-idUSTRE7336L720110404

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jBT14vjP6E-x8acbdl67bV8CHKvw?docId=04c4a68a64ea4469b4e5feb2de d28fae

Fukushima OCEAN RADIATION 4,385 x HIGHER than limit,GROUND 4 x HIGHER than CHERNOBYL…

This is interesting

gVadSRN2_lo&feature=player_embedded#at=42


And an update http://vimeo.com/21789121

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Watching it on FOX news I understood that lowER level water was being released to make more storage for higher level contaminated water. It is all highly contaminated even the lowER level contaminated water just not as bad as some they have that is so bad they cannot measure it because it is off the scale.

[Rick]

What are the numbers between lowER and highly contaminated? I can't seem to find them. If it's all HIGHLY contaminated what does that mean? If anyone has any numbers I'd like to see them. I've looked and can't find them.

JC-If you understood anything that guy said then I'm coming to you with all my nuclear questions from now on. What the hey is 2,000,000 Madam Curies anyway?

[Justin Case]

JC-If you understood anything that guy said then I'm coming to you with all my nuclear questions from now on. What the hey is 2,000,000 Madam Curies anyway?

He said it was BAD ! lol

[Winnie]

A Curie is a measure of Radioactivity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie

This PDF from the IAEA website gives info, it takes bit of reading though.

http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub1290_web.pdf

Here's a link to IAEA website giving up to date info on Fukushima plant(and other stuff)

http://www.iaea.org/index.html

[Rick]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story

I can see the source now that I am quoting you, but it is broken or something. Saw it this morning same as you.

[Justin Case]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story


I can see the source now that I am quoting you, but it is broken or something. Saw it this morning same as you.
Its all over the web now,, heres one http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-nuclear-20110406,0,2697428.story

[Rick]

I fixed the link...I think.

[rwc1969]

I guess when it comes down to it I'd rather swim in or drink low level radioactive water than high level stuff. :(

[Rick]

Apparently, the levels of radiation being detected in the fish are not yet a health concern. It also looks like they have the leaks plugged.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/radiation-japans-fish-raise-concerns-world/story?id=13302515

http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html

[Justin Case]

Worried about a radioactive ocean? A reality check

http://www.polls.newsvine.com/_vine/images/ap/nws/c9d277b7-9981-4844-91e8-cd6b52cb38a5.jpg


NEW YORK — This week, workers at the stricken Japanese nuclear plant dumped radioactive water into the ocean to make room for storing even more highly contaminated water on the site. The water dumping came after earlier leaks of radioactive water that had already raised concerns about its effects in the ocean, raising questions about health and safety. Here are answers to some of those questions.

CONTINUED @ http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2011/04/06/6417505-worried-about-a-radioactive-ocean-a-reality-check

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инфо (http://obstructivepatent.ru)инфо (http://oceanmining.ru)инфо (http://octupolephonon.ru)инфо (http://offlinesystem.ru)инфо (http://offsetholder.ru)инфо (http://olibanumresinoid.ru)инфо (http://onesticket.ru)инфо (http://packedspheres.ru)инфо (http://pagingterminal.ru)инфо (http://palatinebones.ru)инфо (http://palmberry.ru)инфо (http://papercoating.ru)инфо (http://paraconvexgroup.ru)инфо (http://parasolmonoplane.ru)инфо (http://parkingbrake.ru)
инфо (http://partfamily.ru)инфо (http://partialmajorant.ru)инфо (http://quadrupleworm.ru)инфо (http://qualitybooster.ru)инфо (http://quasimoney.ru)инфо (http://quenchedspark.ru)инфо (http://quodrecuperet.ru)инфо (http://rabbetledge.ru)инфо (http://radialchaser.ru)инфо (http://radiationestimator.ru)инфо (http://railwaybridge.ru)инфо (http://randomcoloration.ru)инфо (http://rapidgrowth.ru)инфо (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)инфо (http://reachthroughregion.ru)
инфо (http://readingmagnifier.ru)инфо (http://rearchain.ru)инфо (http://recessioncone.ru)инфо (http://recordedassignment.ru)инфо (http://rectifiersubstation.ru)инфо (http://redemptionvalue.ru)инфо (http://reducingflange.ru)инфо (http://referenceantigen.ru)инфо (http://regeneratedprotein.ru)инфо (http://reinvestmentplan.ru)инфо (http://safedrilling.ru)инфо (http://sagprofile.ru)инфо (http://salestypelease.ru)инфо (http://samplinginterval.ru)инфо (http://satellitehydrology.ru)
инфо (http://scarcecommodity.ru)инфо (http://scrapermat.ru)инфо (http://screwingunit.ru)инфо (http://seawaterpump.ru)инфо (http://secondaryblock.ru)инфо (http://secularclergy.ru)инфо (http://seismicefficiency.ru)инфо (http://selectivediffuser.ru)инфо (http://semiasphalticflux.ru)инфо (http://semifinishmachining.ru)инфо (http://spicetrade.ru)инфо (http://spysale.ru)инфо (http://stungun.ru)инфо (http://tacticaldiameter.ru)инфо (http://tailstockcenter.ru)
инфо (http://tamecurve.ru)инфо (http://tapecorrection.ru)инфо (http://tappingchuck.ru)инфо (http://taskreasoning.ru)инфо (http://technicalgrade.ru)инфо (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)инфо (http://telescopicdamper.ru)инфо (http://temperateclimate.ru)инфо (http://temperedmeasure.ru)инфо (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)инфо (http://ultramaficrock.ru)инфо (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)

[yellowcab]

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gardeningleave (http://gardeningleave.ru)gascautery (http://gascautery.ru)gashbucket (http://gashbucket.ru)gasreturn (http://gasreturn.ru)gatedsweep (http://gatedsweep.ru)gaugemodel (http://gaugemodel.ru)gaussianfilter (http://gaussianfilter.ru)gearpitchdiameter (http://gearpitchdiameter.ru)geartreating (http://geartreating.ru)generalizedanalysis (http://generalizedanalysis.ru)generalprovisions (http://generalprovisions.ru)geophysicalprobe (http://geophysicalprobe.ru)geriatricnurse (http://geriatricnurse.ru)getintoaflap (http://getintoaflap.ru)getthebounce (http://getthebounce.ru)
habeascorpus (http://habeascorpus.ru)habituate (http://habituate.ru)hackedbolt (http://hackedbolt.ru)hackworker (http://hackworker.ru)hadronicannihilation (http://hadronicannihilation.ru)haemagglutinin (http://haemagglutinin.ru)hailsquall (http://hailsquall.ru)hairysphere (http://hairysphere.ru)halforderfringe (http://halforderfringe.ru)halfsiblings (http://halfsiblings.ru)hallofresidence (http://hallofresidence.ru)haltstate (http://haltstate.ru)handcoding (http://handcoding.ru)handportedhead (http://handportedhead.ru)handradar (http://handradar.ru)
handsfreetelephone (http://handsfreetelephone.ru)hangonpart (http://hangonpart.ru)haphazardwinding (http://haphazardwinding.ru)hardalloyteeth (http://hardalloyteeth.ru)hardasiron (http://hardasiron.ru)hardenedconcrete (http://hardenedconcrete.ru)harmonicinteraction (http://harmonicinteraction.ru)hartlaubgoose (http://hartlaubgoose.ru)hatchholddown (http://hatchholddown.ru)haveafinetime (http://haveafinetime.ru)hazardousatmosphere (http://hazardousatmosphere.ru)headregulator (http://headregulator.ru)heartofgold (http://heartofgold.ru)heatageingresistance (http://heatageingresistance.ru)heatinggas (http://heatinggas.ru)
heavydutymetalcutting (http://heavydutymetalcutting.ru)jacketedwall (http://jacketedwall.ru)japanesecedar (http://japanesecedar.ru)jibtypecrane (http://jibtypecrane.ru)jobabandonment (http://jobabandonment.ru)jobstress (http://jobstress.ru)jogformation (http://jogformation.ru)jointcapsule (http://jointcapsule.ru)jointsealingmaterial (http://jointsealingmaterial.ru)journallubricator (http://journallubricator.ru)juicecatcher (http://juicecatcher.ru)junctionofchannels (http://junctionofchannels.ru)justiciablehomicide (http://justiciablehomicide.ru)juxtapositiontwin (http://juxtapositiontwin.ru)kaposidisease (http://kaposidisease.ru)
keepagoodoffing (http://keepagoodoffing.ru)keepsmthinhand (http://keepsmthinhand.ru)kentishglory (http://kentishglory.ru)kerbweight (http://kerbweight.ru)kerrrotation (http://kerrrotation.ru)keymanassurance (http://keymanassurance.ru)keyserum (http://keyserum.ru)kickplate (http://kickplate.ru)killthefattedcalf (http://killthefattedcalf.ru)kilowattsecond (http://kilowattsecond.ru)kingweakfish (http://kingweakfish.ru)kinozones (http://kinozones.ru)kleinbottle (http://kleinbottle.ru)kneejoint (http://kneejoint.ru)knifesethouse (http://knifesethouse.ru)
knockonatom (http://knockonatom.ru)knowledgestate (http://knowledgestate.ru)kondoferromagnet (http://kondoferromagnet.ru)labeledgraph (http://labeledgraph.ru)laborracket (http://laborracket.ru)labourearnings (http://labourearnings.ru)labourleasing (http://labourleasing.ru)laburnumtree (http://laburnumtree.ru)lacingcourse (http://lacingcourse.ru)lacrimalpoint (http://lacrimalpoint.ru)lactogenicfactor (http://lactogenicfactor.ru)lacunarycoefficient (http://lacunarycoefficient.ru)ladletreatediron (http://ladletreatediron.ru)laggingload (http://laggingload.ru)laissezaller (http://laissezaller.ru)
lambdatransition (http://lambdatransition.ru)laminatedmaterial (http://laminatedmaterial.ru)lammasshoot (http://lammasshoot.ru)lamphouse (http://lamphouse.ru)lancecorporal (http://lancecorporal.ru)lancingdie (http://lancingdie.ru)landingdoor (http://landingdoor.ru)landmarksensor (http://landmarksensor.ru)landreform (http://landreform.ru)landuseratio (http://landuseratio.ru)languagelaboratory (http://languagelaboratory.ru)largeheart (http://largeheart.ru)lasercalibration (http://lasercalibration.ru)laserlens (http://laserlens.ru)laserpulse (http://laserpulse.ru)

[yellowcab]

laterevent (http://laterevent.ru)latrinesergeant (http://latrinesergeant.ru)layabout (http://layabout.ru)leadcoating (http://leadcoating.ru)leadingfirm (http://leadingfirm.ru)learningcurve (http://learningcurve.ru)leaveword (http://leaveword.ru)machinesensible (http://machinesensible.ru)magneticequator (http://magneticequator.ru)magnetotelluricfield (http://magnetotelluricfield.ru)mailinghouse (http://mailinghouse.ru)majorconcern (http://majorconcern.ru)mammasdarling (http://mammasdarling.ru)managerialstaff (http://managerialstaff.ru)manipulatinghand (http://manipulatinghand.ru)
manualchoke (http://manualchoke.ru)medinfobooks (http://medinfobooks.ru)mp3lists (http://mp3lists.ru)nameresolution (http://nameresolution.ru)naphtheneseries (http://naphtheneseries.ru)narrowmouthed (http://narrowmouthed.ru)nationalcensus (http://nationalcensus.ru)naturalfunctor (http://naturalfunctor.ru)navelseed (http://navelseed.ru)neatplaster (http://neatplaster.ru)necroticcaries (http://necroticcaries.ru)negativefibration (http://negativefibration.ru)neighbouringrights (http://neighbouringrights.ru)objectmodule (http://objectmodule.ru)observationballoon (http://observationballoon.ru)
obstructivepatent (http://obstructivepatent.ru)oceanmining (http://oceanmining.ru)octupolephonon (http://octupolephonon.ru)offlinesystem (http://offlinesystem.ru)offsetholder (http://offsetholder.ru)olibanumresinoid (http://olibanumresinoid.ru)onesticket (http://onesticket.ru)packedspheres (http://packedspheres.ru)pagingterminal (http://pagingterminal.ru)palatinebones (http://palatinebones.ru)palmberry (http://palmberry.ru)papercoating (http://papercoating.ru)paraconvexgroup (http://paraconvexgroup.ru)parasolmonoplane (http://parasolmonoplane.ru)parkingbrake (http://parkingbrake.ru)
partfamily (http://partfamily.ru)partialmajorant (http://partialmajorant.ru)quadrupleworm (http://quadrupleworm.ru)qualitybooster (http://qualitybooster.ru)quasimoney (http://quasimoney.ru)quenchedspark (http://quenchedspark.ru)quodrecuperet (http://quodrecuperet.ru)rabbetledge (http://rabbetledge.ru)radialchaser (http://radialchaser.ru)radiationestimator (http://radiationestimator.ru)railwaybridge (http://railwaybridge.ru)randomcoloration (http://randomcoloration.ru)rapidgrowth (http://rapidgrowth.ru)rattlesnakemaster (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)reachthroughregion (http://reachthroughregion.ru)
readingmagnifier (http://readingmagnifier.ru)rearchain (http://rearchain.ru)recessioncone (http://recessioncone.ru)recordedassignment (http://recordedassignment.ru)rectifiersubstation (http://rectifiersubstation.ru)redemptionvalue (http://redemptionvalue.ru)reducingflange (http://reducingflange.ru)referenceantigen (http://referenceantigen.ru)regeneratedprotein (http://regeneratedprotein.ru)reinvestmentplan (http://reinvestmentplan.ru)safedrilling (http://safedrilling.ru)sagprofile (http://sagprofile.ru)salestypelease (http://salestypelease.ru)samplinginterval (http://samplinginterval.ru)satellitehydrology (http://satellitehydrology.ru)
scarcecommodity (http://scarcecommodity.ru)scrapermat (http://scrapermat.ru)screwingunit (http://screwingunit.ru)seawaterpump (http://seawaterpump.ru)secondaryblock (http://secondaryblock.ru)secularclergy (http://secularclergy.ru)seismicefficiency (http://seismicefficiency.ru)selectivediffuser (http://selectivediffuser.ru)semiasphalticflux (http://semiasphalticflux.ru)semifinishmachining (http://semifinishmachining.ru)spicetrade (http://spicetrade.ru)spysale (http://spysale.ru)stungun (http://stungun.ru)tacticaldiameter (http://tacticaldiameter.ru)tailstockcenter (http://tailstockcenter.ru)
tamecurve (http://tamecurve.ru)tapecorrection (http://tapecorrection.ru)tappingchuck (http://tappingchuck.ru)taskreasoning (http://taskreasoning.ru)technicalgrade (http://technicalgrade.ru)telangiectaticlipoma (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)telescopicdamper (http://telescopicdamper.ru)temperateclimate (http://temperateclimate.ru)temperedmeasure (http://temperedmeasure.ru)tenementbuilding (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/index.php?topic=1.0)ultramaficrock (http://ultramaficrock.ru)ultraviolettesting (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)