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randyt
03-11-2011, 09:18 PM
I really don't have any positive thoughts for the lowly 25 acp. However over the years I ended up with three of the little buggers. A couple came to me as boot on something else and then I traded a whipped colt walker reproduction for a old colt 25 acp. I really don't know what use these are for me. they are concealable and don't eat anything though?

any thoughts?

hunter63
03-11-2011, 09:39 PM
I really don't have any thoughts as well......
I do know a guy that bought one, don't remenber what make and model, but it was of good parentage, but he could have had the same gun for the same price as a .22lr (ammo cheaper) or .32apc. More punch?
Why, donno.
I would just hang on to them and use as trading stock or 'boot' as well.

2dumb2kwit
03-11-2011, 10:35 PM
I think I'd hang on to anything that has "Colt" on it, but for cheap ones.....wait for the next "gun buy back program" and sell them to the LEO's for $100 each. LOL

sushidog
03-11-2011, 11:59 PM
They make great drop guns in case you need to use your real weapon and the perp doesn't appear to be currently armed.

Chip

MidWestMat
03-12-2011, 12:56 AM
Personal opinion, sell em all and buy something useable. The .25 is a weak round, ammo is scarce and expensive, and the guns are low demand. Unless you got one of the old Colt's, might be worth a little more not sure. Or, just keep them with a box of ammo for trade stock in a SHTF scenario. But based on my budget, I would turn them into something useful.

OhioGrizzLapp
03-12-2011, 01:13 AM
I agree with Mat, sell em and turn into something you can use. PM me if you want to put em in the shop or sel/tradel em to me..... I sell the used ones at gun shows, rarely through the shop, but they do make for good table fill up.

Don
03-12-2011, 08:37 AM
I really don't have any thoughts as well......
I do know a guy that bought one, don't remenber what make and model, but it was of good parentage, but he could have had the same gun for the same price as a .22lr (ammo cheaper) or .32apc. More punch?
Why, donno.
I would just hang on to them and use as trading stock or 'boot' as well.
Weak yes, useless,no. I own one and have carried it on occasion in hot weather when concealing anything else is impossable. Even though I live in the "Live free or Die" state carrying in an obvious way is going to freak people out. The lowly .25 is more reliable than the .22(I have had misfires with the .22)and can be deadly also. Now I wouldn't carry it into a real high risk area but if a situation arises the .25 can be deployed effectively. All that said, it should not be the first choice but as the saying goes, any gun is better than no gun.

Don

hunter63
03-12-2011, 01:22 PM
Weak yes, useless,no. I own one and have carried it on occasion in hot weather when concealing anything else is impossable. Even though I live in the "Live free or Die" state carrying in an obvious way is going to freak people out. The lowly .25 is more reliable than the .22(I have had misfires with the .22)and can be deadly also. Now I wouldn't carry it into a real high risk area but if a situation arises the .25 can be deployed effectively. All that said, it should not be the first choice but as the saying goes, any gun is better than no gun.

Don

I have to disagree some what.
Old saying,... I your are gonna pull that pistol, you better be ready to use it.
And you better have enough to do the job....Because some one else might just be deploying a whole lot more fire power.

OhioGrizzLapp
03-12-2011, 01:44 PM
I have had way more misfires with a .25 than I ever have had with a .22. Also if you look at the energy Vs thrust to weight ratio...the .22 38gr in high velocity will expend more stopping power than the .25. Just like I would never carry a useless knife into the woods, even a high quality one, I would never carry a .25 into any situation I honestly want to get out of, even running up to get a donut and coffee........ For small CCW, I carry a NAA Mini Rev with either Stingers or Shock-Pad ammo in it... I have had ZERO misfires with either ammo, even under wet, humid conditions.....

Knowledge and facts as with most subjects are what matters...... not supposition and myth..... carrying "SOMETHING," is NOT better than carrying nothing....a .25 can get you dead, real quick, especially a cheap one..... only two .25's I have ever really seen work right.... the Colt vest Pocket Jr. with exposed hammer and the Beretta small model 21 in .25 (Bobcat style). The Bauers, Sile-Seecamp, Walther TPK, Brownings, Rouerbachs etc.... they are $800 each due to collector value... can we maybe find another few pieces for that money that work better and are more effective, yes, I think so.

The only .25 ammo that ever was worth it was the Silvertip with the lil steel ball in the tip. Other than that, you are just making noise. That ammo now goes for about $40 a box......when and if you can find it.

Seriously, sell the .25's where ever and how ever and get something that works and that you would rather want.

sushidog
03-12-2011, 08:45 PM
30 yrs ago a bought my Ex DW a little Beretta model 21 in 25acp (maybe that's why she's my Ex DW :creepy:) because she stopped carrying her 5 shot Charter Arms 38. She said the revolver it was too heavy and too bulky. I looked at some little 380s, but she couldn't rack the slide. With the Beretta's pop up barrel it's easy for frail ladies to load and unload. Plus it weighs next to nothing. IMHO there is a role for a weapon purely from the intimidation factor, even in the most anemic caliber there is.

Remember most bad guys are cowards who will back off just at the thought that their victim will put up some resistance. Many times simply drawing one's weapon will demonstrate to the perp the error of his ways. Other times a single round discharged into the air will discourage a perp, or at least give them the option to reconsider before more serious action is taken. I instructed her in the tiny Beretta's proper use. Empty all 8 rounds into the assailant (if close enough, into the perp's face or head) and then run screaming fire, while flailing your arms as much as as possible. Yes, Silvertips are the only round I ever bought for it. It fed them flawlessly.

Anyway, it's a little more effective than trying to beat off an attacker with a purse, if not by much. :chair: 30 yrs ago there weren't as many options as there are today.

I took my little 38 back and started wearing it on my ankle in a comfy Uncle Mike's, leaving my Score Master in my glove compartment. It's T-shirt weather for most of the year here in South Louisiana and that cannon was just too hard to conceal. Here again, though less than optimal, something is better than nothing. I'd sure hate to be hit with 5, 38+p Glasers. Ouch. :jango:

Chip

OhioGrizzLapp
03-12-2011, 10:07 PM
In my hood, unless you are rackin a AK47 or a Glock18FA, they really do not back down and they would kick your butt just for sporting a .25......they would take it from you and wear it on their gold chain as a trinket.

kyratshooter
03-12-2011, 10:07 PM
I carried a .25 as a hideout gun while I was in the Army.

Soon after I came home I started building a house. Was on the building site one day and decided to shoot the little beast. I stood a 2x4 up and shot at it from 10 feet. A little dark spot appeared on the wood and something tapped me on the leg. I shot again and again saw the spot appear and received a tap on the leg. I looked down and saw a .25 slug sitting on the toe of my boot.

The dark spots were dents in the 2x4. Neither slug had penetrated, both had bounced off and hit my leg. Neither made a bruise.

It scared me to death. I have not owned a .25 since that day.

OhioGrizzLapp
03-12-2011, 10:43 PM
I can do more with a rolled up magazine to an assailant than with a .25.........

2dumb2kwit
03-13-2011, 09:27 AM
Heck....my 25 penatrates like a champ!

Oh, wait......mine's a 7.62x25. LOL:oops:

OhioGrizzLapp
03-13-2011, 09:54 AM
Sushi, I respectfully disagree with you on so many levels it is not even funny, but you are entitled to your opinion. IMHO - but somewhat experienced opinion is the .25acp is useless, regardless of what gun it is in or the ammo used. If you are spending money on a .25, then you have the money to get a gun and round that works i.e. .22lr Hyper or High Velocity...in the same gun, a Beretta Model 21a in .22lr.

I have seriously seen a .25 BOUNCE off a SPRING Windbreaker at 2 foot range. My .22lr Stingers will go through a decent winter coat (Navy P-Coat) at least and cause some blunt trauma and will most likely pent.

My carry piece ALL seasons is a Para-or Wart/Nite Hog in .45acp and loaded very HOT.... I give up some coolness in the summer but I can stand to sweat a lil more anyways. My NAA is my last ditch back up and I have practiced with both until I am numb.

I may not know a whole lot in life, but terminal ballistics is one thing I do know and know it very well. If you go into a gunfight or for that matter a knife fight with someone who knows how to handle a knife with a .25acp, you should truly expect to NOT come out alive. Nor should you keep a false sense of security in thinking because you are carrying a .25 that it gives you any real or percieved security, it does not and if someone else is depending on you to protect them and you select a .25 and you both survive the ordeal.....that person should duly kick your arse and then kick it again just for good measure.

IMHO..........as a matter of fact, go to the FBI site if you have access and look up the terminal data on calibers, if not, ask a LEO friend to get the data for you.

hunter63
03-13-2011, 11:42 AM
I once bluffed my way out of a undeserved arse whooping with a starter pistol, unloaded at that....Guess it did look pretty big staring down it at about 6", as a punk was fixin' to jerk my car door open.

Funny pert was the punks, the four that I can remember, actually turned me in to the LEO's.
Of course they didn't include the reason that the confrontation happened in the first place.

A quick discussion and summery of the situation, with the LEO's proved that I had done what ever anyone in that situation would have done, BUT, we all agreed that I had indeed "gotten away with one, Big time," with the bluff, and a wise move would to never try that again.

That's where I received the advice,....... If you pull a pistol, you better be ready to use it, and it better be big enough to stop the "threat".

Carry what you want, but IMHO, you will be out gunned and may not have an opportunity to correct the situation in the future.

Hence, my new addition Ruger KLCR w/.357 capability, 17oz version of the LCR.

kyratshooter
03-13-2011, 02:27 PM
Had my shop/store broken into once. The only thing I had left in the counter was a Bauer .25 (stainless copy of the Baby Browning) and an aimpoint.

If any of you guys se a Bauer with an aimpoint mounted on it let me know.

BTW the .25acp cartridge fits a piece of 1/8" galvanized pipe perfectly if you ever have to build a .25 caliber rifle in an emergency.

Batch
03-13-2011, 03:33 PM
Sushidog,

If you have made the mistake of carrying a .25 caliber handgun as your self defense weapon then at least fire all warning shots into the face of your attacker. If you have more than one attacker. Hand them the firearm and ask them if they could be merciful and use a lager caliber when they dispatch you. LOL

Firing a warning shot is bad advice. If your life is in imminent danger you do not have time to fire warnings. Firing even a .25 in the air puts others around you in danger.

It is possible to carry a firearm of substantial caliber in the heat of summer. I carry a full size gun everyday in South Florida. It takes some getting used to and some adjusting and experimentation. I started out with compact and moved up to full size.

Don
03-13-2011, 04:03 PM
One of the problems with small caliber rounds is false advertising. I have used a chronograph to clock .32 long rounds and .38 s&w rounds that were advertised to send a bullet at a given speed and they came no where close to that velocity. Now that might have been ballistic factors outside of the cartridge but I think that many ammo manufacturers put out performance data without real testing. As to the performance of the .25 I have seen published ballistic jell tests that have it penitrating 10 inches or more. I have also read police accounts of the .25 being very lethal when shot placement was right. It is obvious that many who post here are of the bigger is better crowd which is not illogical. On the other hand it does smack of gun snobbery. This thread is very much like the other gun forum threads I've read. The .25 gets one or two to defend it and the rest pile on and call anyone who carries or even owns one a bloody fool. The only thing more foolish would be to volunteer to stand in front of a .25 as its being fired. Bottom line is anyone who understands guns understands that the .25 is a frail reed in the world of self defence and should not be relied upon as a primary defence weapon that is why it was always considered a last ditch, close quarters back up. But that does not mean it is harmless or a toy and I get irritated when I hear people dismiss it completely and regard it as nothing more dangerous than a BB gun.

Don

hunter63
03-13-2011, 04:36 PM
..............It is obvious that many who post here are of the bigger is better crowd which is not illogical. On the other hand it does smack of gun snobbery. This thread is very much like the other gun forum threads I've read. The .25 gets one or two to defend it and the rest pile on and call anyone who carries or even owns one a bloody fool. The only thing more foolish would be to volunteer to stand in front of a .25 as its being fired. Bottom line is anyone who understands guns understands that the .25 is a frail reed in the world of self defence and should not be relied upon as a primary defence weapon that is why it was always considered a last ditch, close quarters back up. But that does not mean it is harmless or a toy and I get irritated when I hear people dismiss it completely and regard it as nothing more dangerous than a BB gun.

Don

We were asked for comments or opinions, and so far that what the OP got.
You can call what you want, as your opinion is just a valuable.
But when you state Quote>....This thread is very much like the other gun forum threads I've read. The .25 gets one or two to defend it and the rest pile on and call anyone who carries or even owns one a bloody fool. < Quote,..... Seems a lot of people agree.

randyt
03-13-2011, 04:36 PM
Thanks for the thoughts. I'll probably keep the 25's and a few boxes of ammo and use them for trading stock in the future. A pistol and a box of ammo may be a great barter item one of these days. that's if I don't lose them in a canoe accident.

sushidog
03-13-2011, 04:50 PM
Batch, I'll take your advise. the only warning shot I'll fire will be well aimed.

BTW I never carried a .25, I just bought one for DW who wouldn't carry the other bigger gun I bought for her. So if it's that or nothing....

I know what, Batch, I'll just shove my 45 down the front of my pants. When approached and questioned about the unusual bulge, I'll just say "I'm happy to meet you. Do you have any plans for later?" That should have them running. ;)

Don, have you ever seen a Quackenbush BB gun? That's more my style. :)

Chip

OhioGrizzLapp
03-13-2011, 05:00 PM
Sorry Don, do not mean to irritate you, but truth is truth and I have the facts to back it up. I honestly feel I could do more damage with a pellet gun actually.... it is a useless round that makes HUGE profits on ammo sales to yuppies and thats about it.

Don
03-13-2011, 07:29 PM
Sorry Don, do not mean to irritate you, but truth is truth and I have the facts to back it up. I honestly feel I could do more damage with a pellet gun actually.... it is a useless round that makes HUGE profits on ammo sales to yuppies and thats about it.

Ohiogrizzlap,I in no way am going to say that your experiences are not the truth as you see it. Butt I will say that comparing a cartridge that has been responsible for many human deaths to a rolled up magazine or pellet gun is flatout irresponsible. It may be a useless cartridge in your eyes but there are shooting victums enough who would not agree with you.

Don

hunter63
03-13-2011, 07:53 PM
Well, Don as you stated you own one....We will take your experiances to be true, as well.
But you also stated that you don't like it when you don't get agreement.
We agree to disagree.

You know what you like best.

kyratshooter
03-13-2011, 07:56 PM
At least after you whip the dog you can read the magazine.

No continuted use for the .25 that I can think of.

Oddly, the same rules apply for the pellet gun that apply to the .25, so comparison of danger level is irrelevant. You treat all projectile launchers as dangerous, correct?

You can point your Shooting Times magazine at me all you want but if You get within swatting range of me with it I will be forced to squeel like a little girl and run away.

From what I can tell times have really changed. At one period the Raven .25 was the number one getto gun. It seems to have been replaced by various cheap .380 caliber products that are equally downgraded by all concerned.

Shot convinience store clerks used to be treated and released, now they go to intensive care.

Batch
03-13-2011, 08:01 PM
I don't think the debate is whether a .25 ACP can kill. It is whether it is a reliable round to stop someone who is trying to kill you.

The reason that most people stop considering defensive rounds below .38 special is because they generally lack the ability to stop the fight right now.

On the same token I know a lot of people who swear by a .45 and only carry ball ammo. I'd rather have a hot JHP in 9mm or .40. But, that is just me. I carry what comforts ME.

My comments earlier were more directed toward warning shots than the rounds being fired and also the comment that a larger gun can't be carried in hot weather. I carry a SIG p226 every day. Recently a I switched to a 9mm version with a 19 round capacity. Though I carried the same gun in .40 for years before that. I carry IWB at 3 oclock under a t-shirt and most times a light button up. But, I have carried for years with just the tee. The light button up gives you an added cover garment.

Just to clear up my intent and that I wasn't trying to bash Sushidog. The comment followed by LOL was just that an attempt at leavity.

Don
03-13-2011, 08:06 PM
Well, Don as you stated you own one....We will take your experiances to be true, as well.
But you also stated that you don't like it when you don't get agreement.
We agree to disagree.

You know what you like best.

I guess I'm coming off as argumentitive here and I apologize if thats the case. I have no problem with differing opinions. But a gun is a gun and all guns are dangerous weapons regardless of our opinions as to their usefullness. If folks think that the .25 is crap and wouldn't own one I'm fine with that but I have trouble with any gun being described as virtually harmless especially one that has killed people. I won't belabor my point further. As far as I can tell the posters here are experienced enough with guns to understand my point. I'll gladly shut up now.

Don

Batch
03-13-2011, 08:11 PM
Funny thing is as a kid I carried a Walther PPK/S .380 IWB and a Raven .25 in my left cowboy boot. South Florida was the murder capitol of the world back then and I ran with the wrong crowds. Thankfully, I never hit anyone with either.

Ole WV Coot
03-28-2011, 03:27 PM
I guess putting a couple in a sock along with a rock for self defense. I shot one once, hit a Coke bottle at about 10' which was a lucky shot. I knocked the bottle over but didn't break it. Another thought, trade the other one in on a Coke bottle, probably won't cost you much to make up the difference.

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