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hunter63
03-11-2011, 07:24 PM
As we have been discussing different guns and values lately, I just wanted to get an idea what y'all's thoughts are on different things.

First is model--Rare/not, take down, barrel length, stock type, caliber desirability.
Second would be condition. Fired, not fired, wood, metal condition
Third would start with extras, original box, papers, stuff that came with it originally.
Forth would be add ons, scope (kind) mods,(magnaport) slings, bi-pod etc.

Now on the AR platforms, this can be extensive, night vision, mounting rails, lights, flash suppressors, list is endless.

Fifth comes case, ammo (not counting collectors stuff) extra mags, bags, loading dies, molds etc.

So when you see a firearm, and how it's priced, how do y'all value all the extras?

I see a lot of different still being sold in the newspaper, and seems that a lot of people start with what they paid for it, then add on every addition and ammo they have purchased over the years.

I'm mostly not real interested is all this "stuff" and have called a few times only to 'insult" someone as to what I think is a fair offer for the gun.

On the other hand so are so cheap that they really don't know what it's worth...doesn't last long.

Getting extras is cool, but not full priced, unless I really want them or I am willing to pay for it as the package is rightly price.
Or really want the gun.LOL

What's is y'all view?
SARKY
03-11-2011, 07:45 PM
A long while ago I bought a Ferret (M-1 Carbine chambered in .256 win Mag). The owner of the rifle gave me a really good price on the rifle and then tried to gouge me on half a box of ammo and empty brass. I thanked him and said no thanks to the ammo/brass as I knew I could form it from .357 brass. He was none to happy to be stuck with the ammo/brass but it wasn't my problem.
MidWestMat
03-11-2011, 08:24 PM
Mostly I pay for the gun, I might wiggle a little higher depending on accessories but not much. We were talking about Mosins earlier..if I buy a $90 Mosin and but a $70 ATI stock on it it is still a $90 Mosin. Maybe a couple bucks extra for the stock lke $100 or $110 but that would be tops.

Just my humble cheap skate opinion.
Rick
03-11-2011, 09:09 PM
For me it just depends on what I want a weapon to do I guess. I put a cheap scope on my Mosin but I'll be danged if I'm going to drop a $90 trigger set in one. As Mat said, it's still a $90 gun.

I have a dealer I do most of my trades with. I deal with him because I think he's fair and honest. He's done a lot of stuff for me that he didn't have to so I don't squeal too loud if he shoots me a price that's a bit higher than I expected. If I think it's too high then I don't buy it but I don't haggle him.

I spend a lot of time on the net looking at prices when I buy something. Hopefully, I have a layman's idea of what "it" should cost. Recommendations from some of you rate pretty high in my book, too. So if you tell me to look at X, even if it's a bit more, I'll look hard at it.
Camp10
03-11-2011, 09:22 PM
I really prefer to set up my guns the way I want them so extras are not of any value to me. Most of the time there is a POS Tasco or something like that on the gun and the guy wants an extra $100 for having a scope. I usually ask if they would take the scope off and sell me the gun for $100 less. I use nearly the same sling and scopes on all my rifles and unless there is a gun set up like that, I would rather buy it stripped and pay for just the firearm.
hunter63
03-11-2011, 09:34 PM
So far it seems that we all kinda think alike, price should reflect make model, condition...everything else is just frosting or trading stock of not much value.
LowKey
03-11-2011, 10:06 PM
I'm still kinda wet behind the ears on gun purchasing but the only thing that would sway me on extras would be if a gun came with something I was thinking of adding anyway. But I wouldn't pay full price for the extras either. Even if you don't do anything with optics other than look through them, they are still used and possibly abused, even if unintentionally.
klkak
03-11-2011, 10:37 PM
A couple of years ago when I bought the M-94 .44 magnum, I paid $600 for just the gun in used but excellent condition. I had been looking for one for several years and when my local gun store called and said they had gotten one in on trade I gave them my credit card number over the phone. I'd have bought it if he had said $800! I place value on a gun by how much I want or need it!
OhioGrizzLapp
03-12-2011, 01:57 AM
With me selling and buying guns each day, what I have found is a simple "Supply Vs. Demand," that commands what ever price on a gun. In todays market, HOT sellers can be in rough condition and people will pay VGC prices for them, especially on auctions.

If it is a collectors piece.... condition, does it have the box/papers and was it ever fired.

I never add cash for the extras.....I have an entire case of used scopes and mounts I cannot even give away, same with slings, ammo belts/sleeves and gun cases/rugs as well as loose and partial box ammo.

I pretty much know what my customers want, what they are willing to pay and for what condition.

I see people all the time pay HUGE money for Buzz word guns like EBR's, Glocks, Sigs, SPFLD XD & XDM and a few others and then they shoot 3000 rounds out of it and then try to sell to me over retail. I refuse every time of course. I usually will pay 1/3 under wholesale for used guns in VGC, they get insulted and claim they can get what they want on auction.... I tell them please feel free as I know they cannot get it as there are 10,000 just like it also looking for top BUZZ $$$$$.

If I feel a gun is over priced that I am selling, I state so to the customer, sometimes I have zero choice as they may be consignment or other factors. On NEW guns, I refuse to sell over MSRP, no matter what the gun is, most I sell much lower than MSRP. I completely stopped selling EBR's...... just not worth the headaches with weekend Mall Ninjas who will pay $2600 for a SCAR and then get it home and find out the thing is worth like $800 and then try to sell it for $3000 online somewhere...... I have a table of used uppers, lowers, trigger sets etc.......I damn near give em away just to get em out of the shop. Many of the Mall Ninja gunsmiths buy $600 of RETAIL accessories and add it to a $450 kit Delton and then try to sell it for $1500.......it is either in the water they drink or the food they eat as there are !00,000 of them just like it for $650 online..... want a laugh, goto calguns.net and peruse the sell/trade area, I mean seriously now.... those folks are in their own little world.
LowKey
03-12-2011, 08:49 AM
I just can't wrap my brain around the need for what you call Mall Ninja type guns. I guess it's a hobby, like any other, but I'd rather buy 3 or 4 solid guns that hold near their value than trick one out with junk I'd never use in games I'd never play.

But as it seems we're all saying, you buy what fills the want at the price only you are wiling to pay.
Rick
03-12-2011, 08:53 AM
Hey, Mike! I'll bring the truck by and you can load up that case of stuff you can't give away. Shoot, I'll even help you load it, buddy.
2dumb2kwit
03-12-2011, 10:16 AM
I look at it one of two ways. One is fair market value. (Is it a pretty good deal.) The other way is like klkak said......if it's something that I really want, how bad do I want it. What's it worth, to me.

( ...and I think it's my responsibility to know what the fair market price is, on whatever I buy.)
OhioGrizzLapp
03-12-2011, 11:59 AM
In the end.... VALUE is what it is worth to you.....I can help, reccomend, advise til I am blue in the face......people will buy what they want at the price they invision (usually HIGH) is fair.

2d2k:::: You hit it on the head..... I will however help a customer find exactly what they want at the price they are looking for....or help direct them to something better for less. But when someone has their mind set on a certain piece in a certain way...they are at the mercy of Supply Vs. Demand and what some percieve as a "Fair Market Value," even if it is over inflated. But they need to know what they are buying/selling and the value.

Somewhere on one of the gun boards there was a very funny animated cartoon depicting what an average gun deal looked like from the buy/sell/trade areas of the forums. I wish I would have saved it as it was right on point of how the deals go and even in the gun shops or online auctions.

LOL Rick... the case of optics and STUFF I have, seriously none of my customers want the stuff.....people are weird when it comes to accessories...it is very individual like and they want their stuff, for their gun ordered or made just for THEM.

When someone buys a new or better used rifle from me, I let them dig through the case for stuff they want for free. The table of used AR/EBR stuff is commical....these mall Ninjas come in and are all excited, they just turned 21 and they want their AR with an Eotech, 8 sided rail, 12 1/2 gadgets on the rails....twin drums....titainium everything, wedges, magpull GOVT mags....blah blah blah and they come in with cash....I mention hey, I have some of that stuff over there used not abused, lets build you one in about 1/2hour and you can save about 65%.....to a kid, thay are Nuuuuuuuuuu I want MY AR a certain way..... and not someones throw away stuff.....Bam.... $2500.

Don't get me wrong, I like the profits of selling people what they want, but it pains me as I see it happen so many times....wide eyed with cash.... then their muffler on the car blows a hole and they sell the whole shabang for like $1000....it just gets triesome watching the same scenario over and over and over......

Now, I just sell nice guns with wood and metal on them and no vertical anything nor 20 sided rails.

I guess I am just getting older and realize what is important in life to ME (not expecting to anyone else) and am trying to shy away from the whole Mall Ninja types as best I can.

This is why I got out of selling them:::::::
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm228/ohiohikingstick/AR20full.jpg
hunter63
03-12-2011, 01:16 PM
A couple of years ago when I bought the M-94 .44 magnum, I paid $600 for just the gun in used but excellent condition. I had been looking for one for several years and when my local gun store called and said they had gotten one in on trade I gave them my credit card number over the phone. I'd have bought it if he had said $800! I place value on a gun by how much I want or need it!

LOL, Yes, there is THAT scenario.
And when you been looking for a long time, and get a call or e-mail with exactly what you have been looking for, you just say SOLD!
When they ask, "Don't you want to know how much?" I just say, "No, not really", assuming the price will be fair (known seller)
kyratshooter
03-12-2011, 03:08 PM
I am not a collector and do not pay attention to add ons, escilation in price over time or extras, unless I am the one doing the selling. I do not by used guns unless they are a bargin compared to a new gun of equil capabilities. A used gun must be cheaper than its new counterpart to get my attention.

When buying I do not add the cost of scope, mounts, sling or any add ons, just the value of the gun. I probably do not like their options anyway. They can keep all their tacky crap. When running a shop I always found it was harder to sell a tricked out gun than one that was stripped to basics. I always stripped all the goodies off a gun and sold them seperately.

As far as AR platforms...Why should I pay thousands of $$$ to own a used gun, plus gadgets, that the government is paying others an enlistment bonus to carry? They should be giving those things away!

For guns that are not in production any longer I look in the book and bid 1/2 the value and work from there. Everyone has a book/computer/price list and an opinion about how much profit they diserve. I can make no money if there is not a profit margin involved on my side, and if I am going to use the gun I am not paying for someones kid to go to college so I can have a shooter.

It is just basic gun/car/mule trading. Everyone is looking for a sucker.
LowKey
03-12-2011, 03:11 PM
Poster is wrong.
s/b "It's Like Barbie for Boys."
Men eventually figure it out.
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