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As I wrote in another thread today, I believe that the punishment for any criminal act of violence should at least mirror the crime itself.
I contend that our Constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment should not preclude us from forcing a criminal to suffer the same fate he/she inflicted on others. I don't believe that an "eye for an eye" is cruel nor unusual. It should be the standard of justice.
With better safeguards in our system to ensure that the innocent are not subjected to such penalties, as is too often the case in our system today, do you agree that people who are actually guilty should (at the very least) be caused to suffer in the same way that their victim(s) did?
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 03:14 PM
As I wrote in another thread today, I believe that the punishment for any criminal act of violence should at least mirror the crime itself.
I contend that our Constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment should not preclude us from forcing a criminal to suffer the same fate he/she inflicted on others. I don't believe that an "eye for an eye" is cruel nor unusual. It should be the standard of justice.
With better safeguards in our system to ensure that the innocent are not subjected to such penalties, as is too often the case in our system today, do you agree that people who are actually guilty should (at the very least) be caused to suffer in the same way that their victim(s) did?
Agree 95%...5% being a small voice of doubt in the recesses of my brain that question, not is this right for the criminal, but is it right for us to stoop to his level and become savages?
Is terrible torture something I could do to another human being even if he/she deserved it? No, I couldn't. I could shoot them dead without an ounce of guilt, but it would begin and end there. At least for me.
Is terrible torture something I could do to another human being even if he/she deserved it? No, I couldn't. I could shoot them dead without an ounce of guilt, but it would begin and end there. At least for me.
BENESSE, forgive the question, but God forbid that your husband was stabbed multiple times and left in an alley to die a slow death. Could you inflict that same punishment on the guilty party if permitted by law to do so? If not, call me.
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 03:24 PM
No, I couldn't. Not because they didn't deserve it, but because I wouldn't enjoy it. I could easily shoot them and let them die a slow painful death but that's it.
No, I couldn't. Not because they didn't deserve it, but because I wouldn't enjoy it. I could easily shoot them and let them die a slow painful death but that's it.
You and I are cut from a different cloth on this issue. However, I truly respect your position.
Winter
01-20-2011, 03:35 PM
So, Ken, God forbid someone rapes a family member of yours.
Please wear a condom when you dish out Justice.
r0ckhamm3r
01-20-2011, 03:43 PM
This is a difficult question for me. I believe our criminal justice system is FAR to lenient on convicted criminals. Plea bargains result in a slap on the wrist for many offenders, thus they repeatedly commit crimes.
However: Torturing someone in the name of retribution, does not sit well with me. A quick, clean execution for someone who commits a particularly heinous crime is something I agree with.
I am certain my opinion would be much different if I or someone close to me were the victim.
Like I said, this is a difficult question for me.
So, Ken, God forbid someone rapes a family member of yours.
Please wear a condom when you dish out Justice.
There are other options:
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Winter
01-20-2011, 03:51 PM
My last was a bit, err, flippant.
More to the point is that it takes an animal to commit these crimes. It would take someone just as disturbed to punish them as you (Ken) propose.
If someone acts as an animal, kill them like you would a rabid dog. Do not start paying Department of Corrections employees to rape, stab, and mutilate people.
We don't want to go down that road.
r0ckhamm3r
01-20-2011, 03:56 PM
Winter wrote:
If someone acts as an animal, kill them like you would a rabid dog. Do not start paying Department of Corrections employees to rape, stab, and mutilate people.
I strongly agree with this.
Winter got to the point of the issue much more eloquently than I.
Food for thought: If this were allowed, suspect rapes and kills victim. Suspect is convicted in a court of law, buy a jury of his peers. Victim's relative is allowed to do the same to the person convicted of the crime. Is the person who executes this retribution any different from the perpetrator of the crime, just because the government said you can do this?
It takes a monster to do something like this. Do you want to be a monster in return?
Do not start paying Department of Corrections employees to rape, stab, and mutilate people.
We don't want to go down that road.
How about giving that option and opportunity to the victim's family?
Maybe I've encountered too many sociopaths in the course of my work. Honestly, there are plenty of people walking around who have absolutely no moral hesitation when it comes to inflicting death or terrible harm on innocent and defenseless people. These people look like us, but that is the only human trait we share with them. Knowing them as well as I do, I have formed the strong opinion that this form of justice would reduce violent crime more than anything else we've tried thus far.
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 04:02 PM
Well said, Winter.
My sentiments exactly.
I'm sorry but this goes against my fundamental religious beliefs. It's NOT what I was taught. I'll leave it at that.
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 04:04 PM
How about giving that option and opportunity to the victim's family?
Maybe I've encountered too many sociopaths in the course of my work. Honestly, there are plenty of people walking around who have absolutely no moral hesitation when it comes to inflicting death or terrible harm on innocent and defenseless people. These people look like us, but that is the only human trait we share with them. Knowing them as well as I do, I have formed the strong opinion that this form of justice would reduce violent crime more than anything else we've tried thus far.
We could try swift justice instead of let things drag for years? That would be something new, no?
Winter
01-20-2011, 04:05 PM
What kind of person would you be after you sodomized some scumbag with a baseball bat Ken?
I assume you are a good person now, but what then?
crashdive123
01-20-2011, 04:07 PM
I think that there are plenty of flaws with our criminal justice system but I do not agree with the eye for an eye form of justice. While at a personal level it may seem satisfying at first, I don't know how practical it would be, or if we want to head down what could be a slippery slope as a society. If somebody steals, what then? Do we steel from them, or cut off their hand so that they cannot steel again? When somebody commits the crime of theft, they are, IMO stealing a portion of a persons life. How many hours were worked to purchase that item? With that thought process (you may disagree) wouldn't prison be taking a portion of the criminal's life in return. Same with unlawfully killing another - isn't prison or the death penalty taking the criminal's life? I think that with the eye for an eye mentality (as I said - oft times personally appealing) we as a society cheapen what was taken by the criminal. To think that my (insert what the crime was) is the same as them being put through the same is not a fair punishment.
Would it be more of a deterrent? I've got no idea.
What I would like to see is a criminal justice system that does not have some of the "perks" that currently exist. No weight rooms. No television. You get sent to prison, you or your family have to foot the bill. No money? Then you'd better earn your keep.
I've got no illusions that prison (not jail) can be a nasty place. Eliminate gang activity, drug activity - even if that means solitary confinement.
I'm sure there are some flaws in my way of thinking. I'm open to hearing other ideas and how they would be implemented.
What kind of person would you be after you sodomized some scumbag with a baseball bat Ken?
I assume you are a good person now, but what then?
If that person had raped my mother or daughter? I would be at peace with myself. Honestly, I would.
I once spoke to someone who had raped a child hundreds of times (for 4 years - when she was age 9 to 13) and otherwise comitted the most reprehensible acts upon her (like forcing her to drink and use cocaine, and raping her with bottles and forcing her to eat feces) that you could possibly imagine. This guy laughed about it after he was convicted. He wouldn't have been laughing if it was going to happen to him.
How about aother guy, 32 years old, who raped a 14 year old and choked her so hard that he broke the blood vessels in her eyes? (Reticular hemorrhaging) Yeah, this one laughed about it too. He said she secretly enjoyed it.
If those children had been my daughters?
Winter
01-20-2011, 04:16 PM
Our prison system is totally broken. The fact that crimes occur in prisons displays that they don't work. Prison is just advanced training.
One flaw with the "eye for an eye" is that the punishment is equal to the crime. I believe punishment should be worse then the crime.
Equal punishment means if I steal a pack of gum, I simply have to pay for it.
Winter
01-20-2011, 04:20 PM
If those children had been my daughters?
I have daughters and I know what I'd do to someone who raped them.
Ken, what do you do for a living?
Would it be more of a deterrent? I've got no idea.
I'm sure there are some flaws in my way of thinking. I'm open to hearing other ideas and how they would be implemented.
My observations only apply to violent criminals. In fact, I feel that we impose incarceration in far too many cases, and that prisons often do virtually nothing but breed more hardened and sophisticated criminals.
Maybe I've just become too jaded and disillusioned with the failures of our system. I'm seriously thinking of opening up a hotdog shop with 2dumb.
Ken, what do you do for a living?
Sit down before you read my reply.
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I'm a criminal defense lawyer. I deal with major felony cases, and I get "not guilty' verdicts far more often than not.
Winter
01-20-2011, 04:28 PM
It's rare that I am at a loss for words.............
Our prison system is totally broken. The fact that crimes occur in prisons displays that they don't work. Prison is just advanced training.
One flaw with the "eye for an eye" is that the punishment is equal to the crime. I believe punishment should be worse then the crime.
Equal punishment means if I steal a pack of gum, I simply have to pay for it.
I share that thought as well.
With better safeguards in our system to ensure that the innocent are not subjected to such penalties, as is too often the case in our system today, do you agree that people who are actually guilty should (at the very least) be caused to suffer in the same way that their victim(s) did?
2dumb2kwit
01-20-2011, 04:44 PM
My observations only apply to violent criminals. In fact, I feel that we impose incarceration in far too many cases, and that prisons often do virtually nothing but breed more hardened and sophisticated criminals.
Maybe I've just become too jaded and disillusioned with the failures of our system. I'm seriously thinking of opening up a hotdog shop with 2dumb.
I've got my eye on a great location. Come on down.LOL
2dumb2kwit
01-20-2011, 04:46 PM
As far as safeguards...how about something like Texas does with their death row express lane. If two or more credible witnesses see you do it....
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As far as safeguards...how about something like Texas does with their death row express lane. If two or more credible witnesses see you do it....
Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable evidence in the world. The admission of polygraph test results (highly accurate - not perfect) would be a step in the right direction.
What would you do if you exacted retribution on the wrong person?
2dumb2kwit
01-20-2011, 05:21 PM
What would you do if you exacted retribution on the wrong person?
Then that person would have the right to do the same to you....so you'd better be sure!
Isn't that how the Hatfields and McCoys got started? Next thing you know no one remembers what the heck the feuds about.
I believe that crime would drop off if prison was not a 'tech school' where someone can get better medical care and education befits than the average tax payer. I don't think prison is a vacation or the like, but it could be a lot less appealing than it is now. I believe in the appeals process and such but if you had to WORK while you were waiting to get out that might just suck bad enough to make it less appealing. I also think that if you put someone in prison for life with no chance of parole that they could clean asbestos from old buildings or something similar while they wait for the next appeal. I also think that two to five appeals are enough to clear the innocent. So after that is exhausted then put a bullet in their head and save the money for scholarships and other programs that will do more to PREVENT crime in the first place.
This is just my thoughts on the matter. I lost my wife and two young girls to a repeat drunk driver a long time ago. I am often asked what I would 'do' if I could meet the guy alone. I always reply "I don't know." I believe no one would know the answer to that question until the time came.
-Sam
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 05:26 PM
I'm a criminal defense lawyer. I deal with major felony cases, and I get "not guilty' verdicts far more often than not.
(scratching my head...)
So I guess what you're proposing Ken, is that after YOU get them off, someone else
administers an eye for an eye?
Given the way you feel why not just switch to the other side--prosecute instead of defend? Might make you feel better.
Pocomoonskyeyes3
01-20-2011, 05:27 PM
What would you do if you exacted retribution on the wrong person?
Although I believe as Ken does, that the punishment should be very Harsh (Especially when the Perpetrators are so callous), What Rick says here is what gives me pause.
Personally I think I could be the Executioner of some of these seriously callous offenders, But I could not live with myself, if I were to Execute an innocent person. The risk of taking even one innocent persons life is just too insurmountable an obstacle to even consider. The truly disturbed ones are not human IMO, so it would be no different than dispatching a Rabid Dog threatening the neighborhood. But to do so with a truly innocent person........ No, not a job for me.
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 05:29 PM
Then that person would have the right to do the same to you....so you'd better be sure!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bit9YxtTamY&playnext=1&list=PL842EFD728DE2A7FB&index=4
Pocomoonskyeyes3
01-20-2011, 05:31 PM
Isn't that how the Hatfields and McCoys got started? Next thing you know no one remembers what the heck the feuds about.
Snicker snicker snort!
Got a source for that?
http://www.henkels.com/Pages/default.aspx
I think you mean.... HATFIELDS and McCoys.
What would you do if you exacted retribution on the wrong person?
Exactly the reason why I'm calling for more safeguards in the system. We very often incarcerate innocent people and we have probably executed hundreds of innocent people in my lifetime alone.
Just one safeguard would be to require witnesses (police officers and detectives, eyewitnesss, and defendants should they waive their 5th Amendment rights) to be subject to independent polygraph examination, and the results should be considered with all of the other evidence. Far too many innocent people are convicted on the basis of false testimony.
However, for severe penalties, such as capital punishment, a standard higher than "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" should be considered. But when we have as much evidence as we did, for example, in the Manson killings, or the Unibomber case, or with this Dr. Gosnell, I say all bets are off.
Trabitha
01-20-2011, 05:34 PM
I don't know how to answer the pole. Do I think you should be punished severely if you commit a crime as terrible as rape or you beat someone to death? Well, of course...but "an eye for an eye" implies THEY get raped or beaten...and I'm not real jazzed about our society lowering it's self to that level...
Maybe I'm just too literal.
(scratching my head...)
So I guess what you're proposing Ken, is that after YOU get them off, someone else
administers an eye for an eye?
Given the way you feel why not just switch to the other side--prosecute instead of defend? Might make you feel better.
Big difference between defending people beforehand and punishment after someone is convicted. BTW - I regularly have potential clients take a polygraph test before I accept their cases. Helps me sleep better at night.
I believe that crime would drop off if prison was not a 'tech school' where someone can get better medical care and education befits than the average tax payer. I don't think prison is a vacation or the like, but it could be a lot less appealing than it is now. I believe in the appeals process and such but if you had to WORK while you were waiting to get out that might just suck bad enough to make it less appealing. I also think that if you put someone in prison for life with no chance of parole that they could clean asbestos from old buildings or something similar while they wait for the next appeal. I also think that two to five appeals are enough to clear the innocent. So after that is exhausted then put a bullet in their head and save the money for scholarships and other programs that will do more to PREVENT crime in the first place.
This is just my thoughts on the matter. I lost my wife and two young girls to a repeat drunk driver a long time ago. I am often asked what I would 'do' if I could meet the guy alone. I always reply "I don't know." I believe no one would know the answer to that question until the time came.
-Sam
Sam, that was an excellent post. Thank you. Rep on its way.
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 05:45 PM
Big difference between defending people beforehand and punishment after someone is convicted. BTW - I regularly have potential clients take a polygraph test before I accept their cases. Helps me sleep better at night.
So your clients have all passed, I assume.
So your clients have all passed, I assume.
I only require tests in certain cases. And if I do, and they don't pass, I don't represent them.
Pal334
01-20-2011, 06:05 PM
I am not for mutilations (eye for an eye). It would degrade our society to the level of Saudi Arabia(as one example). HOWEVER when a rapist, murderer, or torturer is convicted, then capital punishment should be used in an expedient manner. Other "lesser" crimes that result in incarceration should be in a setting that is punitive in nature, to make the criminal regret their action and it will serve as a deterrent for the future. I to have seen many of these "bad guys" and there are some that simply should not be allowed to exist in society.
I think you mean.... HATFIELDS and McCoys.
It looks like that's what I said. :whistling:
I thought that looked wrong when I wrote it. Oh, well. That's my first mistake this quarter......hour.
Pocomoonskyeyes3
01-20-2011, 06:47 PM
It looks like that's what I said. :whistling:
I thought that looked wrong when I wrote it. Oh, well. That's my first mistake this quarter......hour.
Hmmmm Interesting how neither your post NOR my post show the Editing..... Someone is ..... Sneaky.:sneaky2: :confused1:
your_comforting_company
01-20-2011, 06:52 PM
I read in "The Old Beloved Path" about how natives believed in an eye for an eye. Literally, if two children from different clans, were playing down by the river, and one swung a stick and put the others eye out, EVEN BY ACCIDENT, It was expected for the other boy to lose an eye. Times were different then and each person in a village played an important role. Mothers were allowed 1 month to decide if they were able to support a new baby after it was born. If it was realized in that time that the child was too much burden on the village as a whole, she was allowed to dispatch the tike without repercussion.
I think thieves should have their hands cut off.
Rapists get castrated.
Wife-beaters get beaten.
I do think justice is blind, and while some might view equality in justice as animalistic, I propose that we are all animals; savages even. It is our nature.
When people begin to realize the severity of the consequences of thier actions, perhaps they would be less inclined to rape, murder, beat, steal, etc, etc. "If I get caught stealing this soda, they'll cut off my hands"... That would make me think twice about stealing, not that I would steal.. just sayin'
When people begin to realize the severity of the consequences of thier actions, perhaps they would be less inclined to rape, murder, beat, steal, etc, etc.
Exactly my point, YCC. I believe it would deter far more violent crime than anything we've ever tried before. I wouldn't go to that extreme with anything but the worst property crimes, but crimes of violence? Yeah, I would in many cases.
crashdive123
01-20-2011, 08:12 PM
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Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable evidence in the world. The admission of polygraph test results (highly accurate - not perfect) would be a step in the right direction.
Isn't the reason it's not admisable that whole Fifth Amendment thing?
Edit: I saw your latter post that said it would require a waiver.
Isn't the reason it's not admisable that whole Fifth Amendment thing?
It's only a Fifth Amendment issue if a witness asserts a Fifth Amendment privilege. As for the Defendant, there is always a Fifth Amendment issue.
My contention is that every witness, police included, should be subject to a detailed polygraph examination. If they refuse, due to a Fifth Amendment issue or for any other reason, they should be precluded from testifying.
As for the Defendant, he/she has a Fifth Amendment option of not testifying. However, the Defendant effectively waives all Fifth Amendment privileges upon taking a witness stand, and should then be subject to a polygraph exam like any other witness. Granted, there may be some problems involved, but nothing that couldn't be worked out in advance. Also, a Defendant could be required to elect to take the exam in advance of trial or be deemed to have waived the right to testify at time of trial. The results of the Defendant's exam could be impounded and sealed unless the Defendant chooses to testify.
Their are plenty of laws on the books to cover every conceivable event. When we stop believing that criminals can be rehabilitated and should be punished then our prison system will begin to function as it should, IMO. I've posted this before but we have a lot of new folks so.... I worked with a young man who's father was a guard in the Marion, Illinois Federal Penitentiary. Marion was a SuperMax prison and has housed to really bad characters like Noriaga, Garrett Trapnell (attempted a breakout via helicopter) and so on. In 1983, his father, Merle Clutts was stabbed to death as was another guard. Since that day, the prison has been on permanent lockdown. That lasted until 2006. The prisoners were locked in the cells for 23 hours a day and we not allowed any other contact. That's how it should be. It's not suppose to be a vacation. It's punishment.
When we stop believing that criminals can be rehabilitated and should be punished then our prison system will begin to function as it should, IMO.
That would require too much intellectual honesty.
Actually, I do believe that some criminals can be rehabilitated. Many, in fact. However, that will NEVER happen with our system today.
On the other hand, there are criminals who could easily be considered as non-rehabilitatable. For them, the system should be called something other than a "Correctional System." If convicted after trial, life with no possibility of parole would seem to be in order.
The problem is, there are many serious but weak cases where both the government and the defendant benefit from plea bargaining. What is to be done with them? Wouldn't polygraph exams strengthen the case for one side of the other?
If the government can't prove its case then a plea bargain is a gift to them. If they have the choice of putting someone away or letting them walk I'll take the conviction on lesser charges. But the penal system doesn't work so even if they get convicted the chances are pretty good they won't serve the full sentence. Something is wrong when you can't build prisons fast enough. We have the largest prison population of any developed country.
The problem is that our solution to every conviction is incarceration. Simply put, we place people in jail for crimes that should carry other punishments. Then, we essentially deny convicts the opportunity to rejoin the workforce, and the cycle goes round and round again.
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 08:50 PM
Well, child molesters are considered non-reahabilitable by a preponderance of evidence.
And yet, not only are some of them not kept in prison for life, they are often released to live in too close a proximity to schools and family oriented neighborhoods. What's up with that?
I guess it all boils down to one thing. That thing is the word "verdict". Verdict is a Latin term - it means "to speak the truth." Anyone who truly believes in achieving justice should strive to ensure that a verdict is exactly that - a statement of truth.
crashdive123
01-20-2011, 08:53 PM
Well, child molesters are considered non-reahabilitable by a preponderance of evidence.
And yet, not only are some of them not kept in prison for life, they are often released to live in too close a proximity to schools and family oriented neighborhoods. What's up with that?
Child molesters are, IMO some of the worst scum to walk this earth. Our laws however are messed up. Depending on where it happens, a seventeen year old getting caught with his sixteen year old girlfriend can be labeled a child molester for life. At some point common sense has to intervene.
Well, child molesters are considered non-reahabilitable by a preponderance of evidence.
And yet, not only are some of them not kept in prison for life, they are often released to live in too close a proximity to schools and family oriented neighborhoods. What's up with that?
Is a child molester a 50 year old man who rapes a 12-year-old boy or girl? Certainly. How about the 17-year-old boy on his birthday with his 15-year 11-month 29-day old girlfriend one day shy of her sixteenth birthday? The law treats and classifies both men exactly the same in most cases.
crashdive123
01-20-2011, 09:01 PM
Simulpost! Simulpost!
Yeah, but I did it one handed.
And I did it blindfolded. :blush:
crashdive123
01-20-2011, 09:07 PM
And I did it blindfolded. :blush:
Man.....you're taking that whole justice is blind thing serious huh?
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 09:08 PM
Is a child molester a 50 year old man who rapes a 12-year-old boy or girl? Certainly. How about the 17-year-old boy on his birthday with his 15-year 11-month 29-day old girlfriend one day shy of her sixteenth birthday? The law treats and classifies both men exactly the same in most cases.
You know durn well which kind I'm condemning, as does the rest of the sane society and a handful of conscientious judges. The judges use "discretion" (read:common sense)-- some get it and some ought to be euthanized for incompetence and outright endangerment to society at large.
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 09:10 PM
Man.....you're taking that whole justice is blind thing serious huh?
Justice isn't blind, just Ken.
r0ckhamm3r
01-20-2011, 09:10 PM
Crashdrive123 wrote: At some point common sense has to intervene.
Unfortunately common sense and the law have very little in common.
You know durn well which kind I'm condemning, as does the rest of the sane society and a handful of conscientious judges. The judges use "discretion" (read:common sense)-- some get it and some ought to be euthanized for incompetence and outright endangerment to society at large.
Quite often, the law doesn't permit any discretion at all. That's what we call knee-jerk legislation.
BENESSE
01-20-2011, 09:21 PM
Knee-jerk or any other kind of jerk is what makes people disgusted with the system.
NightShade
01-20-2011, 09:54 PM
My problem is that far too many innocent people are found guilty.......
That being said.. if my wife or daughter were raped and killed, and I knew who the perpetrator was... they should pray the police catch them... they could not die painfully enough or slow enough to satisfy me.
Not for vengeance, but for justice!...... ok, I admit it... a little bit for vengeance.
I don't look at it as stooping to their level, if one of my girls was violated in this way, well, I would be dead inside anyways.... I would want the fiend to experience the pain he reaped upon my family.
Honestly, a situation like this is my biggest fear. I am an easygoing non violent type of guy... I know it would change my life and turn me into something I am not. I pray every day that i will never have to experience anything like that, and it is a HUGE motivator behind how I intend to protect my familyshould the need occur... I'm afraid of what I would do.
So, back to the question...... for heinous crimes, where guilt is not a question..... make them feel the pain they sow!
rwc1969
01-21-2011, 12:20 AM
I agree as long as we know for sure the person is guilty and deserving of the like punishment. What that means is hard evidence, not circumstantial. Too many peole are wrongly convicted based on the "beyond a reasonable doubt" part of our system. I feel it should always be "beyond any shadow of a doubt".
As I wrote in another thread today, I believe that the punishment for any criminal act of violence should at least mirror the crime itself.
I contend that our Constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment should not preclude us from forcing a criminal to suffer the same fate he/she inflicted on others. I don't believe that an "eye for an eye" is cruel nor unusual. It should be the standard of justice.
With better safeguards in our system to ensure that the innocent are not subjected to such penalties, as is too often the case in our system today, do you agree that people who are actually guilty should (at the very least) be caused to suffer in the same way that their victim(s) did?
mosquitomountainman
01-21-2011, 12:35 AM
The problem is that our solution to every conviction is incarceration. Simply put, we place people in jail for crimes that should carry other punishments. Then, we essentially deny convicts the opportunity to rejoin the workforce, and the cycle goes round and round again.
That's the absolute truth in my opinion. (All of it!) There are times when restitution is much better than incarceration. And there are ways to "punish" people besides locking them up too. Save the prisons for those who need to be locked up to keep the rest of us safe.
your_comforting_company
01-21-2011, 05:57 AM
Child molesters are, IMO some of the worst scum to walk this earth. Our laws however are messed up. Depending on where it happens, a seventeen year old getting caught with his sixteen year old girlfriend can be labeled a child molester for life. At some point common sense has to intervene.
This exact thing happened to one of my teenage friends. As cool and decent a guy as he was, he now has to walk around as a registered sex offender.
If the punishment for his crime was castration, I seriously doubt he would have had relations with her till she was actually 17...
Pepper
01-21-2011, 11:29 AM
I heard a story about a west Tx posse from upton county caught a killer robber general pc of crap they caught him and he laughed about going to jail said he will be back they found a tall tree and short pc of rope and 2 bottles they raised him up put the rope around neck let him stand on the 2 bottles and pulled that rope tight (he could hold the rope ) to get his balance and then backed off he cried cursed and confessed to all the crimes he could remember all the while balancing on the bottles neck crooked to one side with the rope that had been pulled real tight the posse told him it was good he confessed then left him there to die by himself when he got tired
yellowcab
09-27-2025, 05:38 AM
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yellowcab
09-27-2025, 05:39 AM
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yellowcab
12-10-2025, 05:19 AM
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yellowcab
12-10-2025, 05:21 AM
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yellowcab
03-10-2026, 09:34 AM
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