View Full Version : Are the Chinese raising smarter kids?
BENESSE
01-17-2011, 08:53 PM
Whether you have kids or not, this is an interesting topic because it has far reaching implications. The article, which appeared in the WSJ recently, compared ways in which Western (really US) and Chinese kids were reared. The difference in the two approaches is staggering and so are the results. Something to think about in this age of global competition where if you're not ahead, you're falling behind. We've touched upon this on WSF, but this article really puts it in perspective.
Excerpt:
"Chinese parents spend approximately 10 times as long every day drilling academic activities with their children. By contrast, Western kids are more likely to participate in sports teams. What Chinese parents understand is that nothing is fun until you're good at it. To get good at anything you have to work, and children on their own never want to work, which is why it is crucial to override their preferences. This often requires fortitude on the part of the parents because the child will resist; things are always hardest at the beginning, which is where Western parents tend to give up. But if done properly, the Chinese strategy produces a virtuous circle. Tenacious practice, practice, practice is crucial for excellence; rote repetition is underrated in America. Once a child starts to excel at somethingwhether it's math, piano, pitching or ballethe or she gets praise, admiration and satisfaction. This builds confidence and makes the once not-fun activity fun. This in turn makes it easier for the parent to get the child to work even more".
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html#a rticleTabs%3Darticle
I had a very good friend I grew up with whose parents followed that example. He was quite good academically. Far better than I was for sure. He spent countless hours every evening studying. When he graduated high school he was offered a number of scholastic scholarships. He killed himself instead. There's more to life than just academics. I want my kids to be well balanced and be able to do things for themselves. School, work, play and creativity are far more important IMO.
Alaskan Survivalist
01-17-2011, 09:11 PM
Parents have lost sight of thier primary responsibilty, to prepare thier children to stand on thier own. Most mammals know this.
Camp10
01-17-2011, 09:26 PM
There's more to life than just academics. I want my kids to be well balanced and be able to do things for themselves. School, work, play and creativity are far more important IMO.
Well said and I share that philosophy. My kids not only know math and science but they can use reason and logic to work through a problem...2+2=4 every time but getting a knot out of a rope, troubleshooting a mechanical problem or rigging chains takes thought and I'm proud to see my kids work through these problems.
I've worked with an awful lot of foreign born folks in the IT world. Some of them were incredibly talented. But many had trouble with what I consider common sense tasks. Not all of them but it seemed like a disproportionate number. Almost none had any mechanical aptitude unless their major had been an engineering degree and then they were much better with designing than making it work.
crashdive123
01-17-2011, 09:52 PM
As with anything, if one's focus is too narrow, they lose sight of the big picture.
2dumb2kwit
01-17-2011, 10:01 PM
As with anything, if one's focus is too narrow, they lose sight of the big picture.
I just did a job (July through November) that was full of those people. The bad thing was, I think their focus was trying to make their position look needed.
Well imo, being smart has nothing to do with education. Remember, Mr. Einstien was once told by one of his teachers he was an idiot!
BENESSE
01-17-2011, 10:33 PM
Well IMO, the answer is somewhere in the middle, which is probably where a lot of us middle-aged and older folks have been raised.
Bringing up well balanced kids is an awesome responsibility and I am always impressed with people who do it well.
rebel
01-17-2011, 10:56 PM
The book I'm reading Nothing to Envy ... talks about this.
Alaskan Survivalist
01-17-2011, 11:03 PM
I am sure glad I stayed in school long enough to learn reading. Learn to read and all things are possible.
Winter
01-17-2011, 11:07 PM
Balance, oh dear. In this I have failed.
My eldest daughter[18] is a genius, but she never learned to ride a bike or drive a car yet.
A little background. As a kid, after my parents divorce, my hardheadedness would fight anything I was "made" to do.
What I have done is require only that they do their chores and do all of their schoolwork to the best of their ability. If the want to do something I support them.
My son wanted to join the Boy Scouts, the Webelos. I bought his suit and went with him every time HE remembered to go. It didn't last long.
My middle daughter wanted to play a clarinet. Those are expensive. We scammed one and she learned to play and now plays the saxophone as well.
None of them are bad kids, all have close friends, and they have never been in any trouble. (except my boy once spray painted a garage door of a neighbor when he was 7)
I was a demon child. I started smoking tobacco at 10, pot at 12, first alcohol arrest at 13. I was so bad my own mother bet me money I wouldn't live to be 18.
Alaska saved me to some extent.
There's a point in there somewhere.
your_comforting_company
01-18-2011, 12:07 AM
... He was quite good academically... There's more to life than just academics. I want my kids to be well balanced and be able to do things for themselves. School, work, play and creativity are far more important IMO.
As with anything, if one's focus is too narrow, they lose sight of the big picture.
This is pretty much where I stand. Academics are nothing without curiosity and interest. My kids aren't interested in anything you try to force them to do for 10 hours a day, but if you show them something cool or interesting, they'd hang out with you doing what you are doing all day. I teach my kids physics by banging on rocks, for example, or making a fire. baseball ballistics, star-gazing astrology (why do the stars twinkle? do you know?), and of course, there's the water-tension-belly-flop lessons at the creek!
So china is producing more rocket scientists? how many rocket scientist jobs are out there?
I'd be just as satisfied if my youngest son, who loves to draw and play piano grew up to be an artist, because he gets to experiene life for himself. He gets to explore ideas and laugh at himself.
The twins are just as smart and diverse and no matter what they choose, even if they aren't smart, at least they have an appreciation for every day. My daughter might not be able to fix a car, but she makes a mighty fine ham samwich! Some things are more savory than straight A's (although they are A-B students).
Isn't china still a communist country?
my own mother bet me money I wouldn't live to be 18.
You obviously won that bet. How much did you pocket?
Winnie
01-18-2011, 05:55 AM
Well, Winnie jnr had a tough time at School. He is much more practically minded and has common sense by the bucketful. He is also a first-class judge of character. Some people have academic attributes, others have practical. By the sounds of it, most of us would like our children to be somewhere in the middle.
Answering the OP a certain amount of aptitude has to be there, you can't put a square peg in a round hole.
crashdive123
01-18-2011, 07:59 AM
...................can't put a square peg in a round hole.
You can if you have a big enough hammer.
Pal334
01-18-2011, 08:13 AM
I think , as many seem to , that there is a balance that needs to be struck. Academics needs to be fostered and provided. However practical knowledge and "people skills" need to taught. After all, this is how they will inter relate to the "world" as they become adults and enter the work force. There is no question that the "Chinese" model produces smart young people, however as I have seen , and many of you have seen, when they get into the real world, the flounder due to the lack of "real" experience. What they do have right is parental involvement, that is something crucial when you are responsible for the upbringing of a child
Is it just me or do we fail to teach our kids how to raise kids and how to handle money? Two of the more important lessons they could learn.
Winnie
01-18-2011, 09:55 AM
You can if you have a big enough hammer.
Yeah, but that peg retaliates eventually.
BENESSE
01-18-2011, 10:06 AM
Thomas Edison said, Genius (Success) is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration, something IMO, that applies to artists, scientists, farmers, athletes, knife makers, anyone who cares enough about what they do, to want to do it well.
We are not born with this notion, it is taught to us by our parents.
We here, mostly feel that if the inspiration isn't already there, we're not going to force the perspiration. What we don't want to admit, because it gets us off the hook, is what the Chinese parents understand all too well, that to get good at anything you have to work hard at it. "Tenacious practice, practice, practice is crucial for excellence; rote repetition is underrated in America."
What is boots on the ground if not get out there and practice those skills--haven't we said that over and over again? What is military training if not rote repetition and perspiration toward the ultimate goal of survival under tough conditions?
Hard work at anything builds discipline. Discipline means not giving up, sticking with it even when it's hard, when you're failing, when you're sick and tired and can't go on any more, when no one's cheering you on, when you're alone and your parents aren't there to pick up the slack. Who wouldn't want that for their child, even for oneself?
"Western parents are extremely anxious about their children's self-esteem. They worry about how their children will feel if they fail at something, and they constantly try to reassure their children about how good they are notwithstanding a mediocre performance on a test or at a recital. In other words, Western parents are concerned about their children's psyches." Haven't we condemned this attitude in WSF so many times before because it produces young adults who, thanks to their upbringing, have a sense of entitlement without merit? (kyrat, where are you?) Chinese parents simply assume strength, not fragility, and as a result they expect excellence and work hard with their kids to help them achieve it. I happen to agree with this--to expect anything less is to underestimate your child as though it is not smart enough to achieve.
If we're going to be successful as a nation we need to recalibrate our mind set of what it takes to get there in this century. And our kids will have to carry that torch for us, whether they like it or not. We owe them this much: to expect and help them be the best they can be.
BENESSE
01-18-2011, 10:22 AM
Is it just me or do we fail to teach our kids how to raise kids and how to handle money? Two of the more important lessons they could learn.
I agree 100%. But doesn't that come from the example of their own upbringing? It's the only thing they know.
No doubt there'll be exceptions to the rule as there always are to any rules...but, if you've been brought up with love, discipline and a sense of responsibility, you'll teach that to your children as well, IMO.
Winter
01-18-2011, 11:02 AM
You obviously won that bet. How much did you pocket?
$250, and I collected.
finallyME
01-18-2011, 11:23 AM
I am with Benesse. If we don't, as a nation, educate our children more than we are currently doing, there is a world of hurt for our nation. As a nation, we are failing. Since I only have responsibility for my children, I can focus there. Sure there are examples with overbearing parents who push too hard, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't push. There is a middle ground we should reach, however I think most western parents are not in the middle, but on one side.
Pal334
01-18-2011, 12:12 PM
I personaly put a large emphasis on independent thought with my little ones. I have seen the result of young people with only "book learning" and do not like what I saw
BENESSE
01-19-2011, 10:47 AM
"Excellence is an art won by training and habituation.
We do not act rightly because we have virtue or
excellence,
but we rather have those because we have
acted rightly.
We are what we repeatedly do.
Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit."
- Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
$250, and I collected.
I don't care, Ma, you made the bet now pay up. Get off of me!!
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rwc1969
01-19-2011, 01:18 PM
I don't award people for not doing well, but also, I don't demean them for failure. I award them for doing well and encourage them to do better instead.
Thomas Edison should have said inspiration 10% and ripping off others ideas and muscling out competition 90%, as that's how he got his claim to fame. No, I don't have a source, look it up. LOL!
One thing that's important to remember is this:
A person can be smart in many ways, but the ones who are truly succesful, IMO, also are wise and have a good concsious. Intelligence in the wrong hands is deadly, Einstien proved that.
BENESSE
01-19-2011, 03:15 PM
A person can be smart in many ways, but the ones who are truly succesful, IMO, also are wise and have a good concsious. Intelligence in the wrong hands is deadly, Einstien proved that.
True enough.
And intelligence in lazy a$$ hands is useless.
Winter
01-19-2011, 03:21 PM
She was happy to pay it Rick.
Trabitha
01-19-2011, 04:10 PM
Yes...I think they ARE raising smarter children. However not because our children are NOT smart. IMO it comes down to the point that there isn't a whole lot to DO in China so they have "nothing better to do" (as many of our children view it) than to learn.
We've dumped LOADS of funding into our schools...and we STILL lag behind. It really makes me feel ill.
BENESSE
01-19-2011, 05:24 PM
T, the article is all about the insight that in China the discipline of learning and achieving starts and ends at home. That's the biggest difference between us and them. Our parents blame the schools for their child's poor performance whereas Chinese parents see it as a personal responsibility. The differences in mind set really fascinate me on many levels.
crashdive123
01-19-2011, 07:01 PM
T, the article is all about the insight that in China the discipline of learning and achieving starts and ends at home. That's the biggest difference between us and them. Our parents blame the schools for their child's poor performance whereas Chinese parents see it as a personal responsibility. The differences in mind set really fascinate me on many levels.
That's an interesting observation. We, with so many freedoms are becoming more and more dependent on the government while they, whom have known little freedom are becoming more and more self reliant.
Pocomoonskyeyes3
01-19-2011, 07:56 PM
Well I know that what is Taught in High School today, was stuff that was taught in College when I was in school. Actually MANY of the teaching methods are NOTHING like what I was taught. Today my sons aren't taught ABC's, they are taught letter/word sounds instead. If it were left to the school I doubt my son could tell you which letter came after G. Or B for that matter. It is not only parent involvement, but "New, Improved" Teaching methods IMO. Also I am getting the impression (from the 2 schools my son has attended so far) schools are teaching our kids to disrespect the parent that the School is who they should listen to. They may not be doing it intentionally, but that seems to be the perception the kids are getting. This (IMO) due to the different teaching methods in the generations schooling. The school is Probably saying something like "Well that isn't the way your parents were taught". Which to the very young and impressionable, sounds more like "Your parents just don't know what they are talking about". (My son has pretty much told me exactly that.... "That I didn't know, that this is what his teachers have said.") His school is telling him something along those lines, and we WILL Be having a talk soon.
Trabitha
01-19-2011, 08:47 PM
T, the article is all about the insight that in China the discipline of learning and achieving starts and ends at home. That's the biggest difference between us and them. Our parents blame the schools for their child's poor performance whereas Chinese parents see it as a personal responsibility. The differences in mind set really fascinate me on many levels.
I hear ya, but I don't find that to be the problem. I've been all but asked directly to stay out of the schools business. I don't get to see tests so I may help him with what the teacher isn't helping him with and I get an attitude from the teachers when I ask for this information. I think more parents than you know, want to and try to be more involved and have/are experiencing he same red tape as I am.
This is why he's being pulled from the public school system after this year. They teach the test and memorization. Teaching beyond that is simply unnecessary to many of them and I find that to be terrible!
He will now be taking the SAME exact curriculum, but from home and parents aren't only encouraged, but required to be involved. I think we will see more home/cyber schooled children as the years go by, and I honestly think this will elevate our children to the level that we think they can be because we won't be shut out as parents.
BENESSE
01-19-2011, 09:37 PM
http://homeschoolcollegecounselor.com/academics/homeschool-to-harvard-a-success-story/
Excerpt:
"At a time of educational free-fall, it is a remarkable story. With Americas public school system ranked at or near the bottom of the industrialized world (and Nevada near the bottom of that), with record dropout rates, grade inflation, violence, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancies, and the scandal of graduating high school seniors requiring remedial math and reading before starting at college, Dakotas story offers hope. Dakota proves the American Dream is alive, if only wed stop depending on government to save us."
This kid who was home-schooled her entire life managed to get into Harvard, and considering the wealth of her education, I am not one bit surprised, just gratified. Through the years I read about quite a few others like her who had perfect SAT scores and a slew of ivy league schools fighting over them. None of the parents followed conventional rules of teaching but what they did, invariably created smart, well rounded, creative, responsible individuals, not just book-smart, socially awkward geeks. One doesn't have to resort to home-schooling, but setting the bar higher and getting more involved is bound to make a difference.
Excerpt:
"While other kids spent their school days being indoctrinated to believe competition and winning are unimportant, and that others are to blame for their shortcomings and failures, Dakota was learning the value of work ethic, discipline, sacrifice and personal responsibility. While other kids were becoming experts at partying, Dakota and her dad debated current events at the dinner table. While other kids shopped and gossiped, Dakota was devouring books on science, math, history, literature, politics and business.
While other kids came home to empty homes, Dakotas mom, dad, or both were there every day to share meals and a bedtime kiss and prayer."
There was a news blurb on CBS tonight about this type of thing. It was talking about teaching foreign languages. In the US 50,000 students are leaning Chinese. In China, something like 1 billion are learning English. I'm not certain on the China number but it was sooooo many I had to laugh.
crashdive123
01-19-2011, 09:45 PM
There was a news blurb on CBS tonight about this type of thing. It was talking about teaching foreign languages. In the US 50,000 students are leaning Chinese. In China, something like 1 billion are learning English. I'm not certain on the China number but it was sooooo many I had to laugh.
Makes sense. When they pick up the phone to call in the debt, the want the person on the other end of the phone to understand what they are saying.:innocent:
Me own you home. You move. Plenty Chop chop.
Trabitha
01-19-2011, 09:51 PM
http://homeschoolcollegecounselor.com/academics/homeschool-to-harvard-a-success-story/
Excerpt:
"At a time of educational free-fall, it is a remarkable story. With America’s public school system ranked at or near the bottom of the industrialized world (and Nevada near the bottom of that), with record dropout rates, grade inflation, violence, gangs, drugs, teen pregnancies, and the scandal of graduating high school seniors requiring remedial math and reading before starting at college, Dakota’s story offers hope. Dakota proves the American Dream is alive, if only we’d stop depending on government to save us."
This kid who was home-schooled her entire life managed to get into Harvard, and considering the wealth of her education, I am not one bit surprised, just gratified. Through the years I read about quite a few others like her who had perfect SAT scores and a slew of ivy league schools fighting over them. None of the parents followed conventional rules of teaching but what they did, invariably created smart, well rounded, creative, responsible individuals, not just book-smart, socially awkward geeks. One doesn't have to resort to home-schooling, but setting the bar higher and getting more involved is bound to make a difference.
Excerpt:
"While other kids spent their school days being indoctrinated to believe competition and winning are unimportant, and that others are to blame for their shortcomings and failures, Dakota was learning the value of work ethic, discipline, sacrifice and personal responsibility. While other kids were becoming experts at partying, Dakota and her dad debated current events at the dinner table. While other kids shopped and gossiped, Dakota was devouring books on science, math, history, literature, politics and business.
While other kids came home to empty homes, Dakota’s mom, dad, or both were there every day to share meals and a bedtime kiss and prayer."
In PA and many other states, "home school" is not what it once was. PA offers about 10 different "cyber schools" to it's students. These schools teach the same curriculum as public schools, and are held to the same standards. The difference is that Cyber school children can advance at the pace best for them. If they are doing amazing in math and science, they can work as hard as they wish with no one stopping them. If that means they jump a grade in those lessons only, this format allows it. It also allows for them to get college credit before graduation with no extra cost. Cyber school allows for multiple "field trips" though the school year so the kids may meet in person and even offers "snow days", where they get tickets to go skiing with their friends at a local resort. There are actually many Cyber children in our area so there is no worry of any "social awkwardness." It also helps that he will be beginning his new school in his 7th grade year, well after he has become rather solid in his social skills.
Home schooling or Cyber schooling is no longer the same as it once was. It's MUCH more extensive and detailed and MUCH more accepted. They are tested weekly and they take their PSSA's each year just like the other children. It's NOT unheard of for these children to get into whatever school they wish. Sadly, our generation has a preset mentality of what home school creates. The reality IS what you've posted. Very intelligent and well rounded individuals who aren't burdened with a lot of the garbage that so many thing they should have to deal with on a daily basis. ;)
Trabitha
01-19-2011, 09:53 PM
Me own you home. You move. Plenty Chop chop.
Depressing. :(
No. Is funny Chinese joke. You like? 滑稽的haha
Trabitha
01-19-2011, 10:03 PM
No. Is funny Chinese joke. You like? 滑稽的haha
Me no likie you number one rucky joke!
crashdive123
01-19-2011, 10:08 PM
Yeah, that's the thing about Chinese jokes. You can hear one and five minutes later you're hungry for more.
Trabitha
01-19-2011, 10:16 PM
"That's funny right there! Aw...that ain't right. Forgive him Lord. Be with the Pygmies in New Guinea."
Slightly off topic (like that's new for me) but along similar lines. I had to call the cable company today because my service was kaput. You know my hearing is really bad to begin with and who answers but an Indian lady with a very strong accent. "Hello, my name is Beth." Are you kidding me? I told her, ma'am, no offense but my hearing is really bad and I have trouble understanding natural born English. I have a real problem understanding accents. Is there a number I can call and reach a call center in the U.S.? "We're in Missouri," she told. Well, all righty, then. Maybe us old timers need to go back to school.
BENESSE
01-19-2011, 11:11 PM
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Meeting was scheduled for next week - Wai You Kum Nao
They have arrived - Hia Dei Kum
Stay out of sight - Lei Lo
He's cleaning his automobile - Wa Shing Ka
He is a fat man - Wun Fat Gai
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