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shiftyer1
01-15-2011, 06:56 PM
I have an 1894 that I think i'll start using as a general purpose knock around gun for a while. I'm in central texas so if I see a bear or moose i'll die from surprise and confusion so the caliber wouldn't be an issue. It's uses would be varmits, hogs, and possibly deer next season. I've chosen 158 semi jacketed hollow points, does anyone here use a rifle similar and what do you think of my chosen ammo? Any advice is appreciated.

kyratshooter
01-15-2011, 07:46 PM
For hogs and deer I would prefer more gun, for varmits I would want more accuracy and range.

I would stick to my 30-30 in the lever gun catagory.

I might even go up a notch in the truck gun power rating and favor my Mosin Nagant for bouncing around in the truck. The scout scoped MN with a couple of stripper clips woud be both powerful and quick into use.

To each his own. I have not been to central Texas in a spell, the hogs may have shrunk since I was last there.

SARKY
01-15-2011, 07:52 PM
The 158 gr is a nice round but for hogs and deer I would load up with the 180 gr.

Winter
01-15-2011, 08:33 PM
That's a great "walking" gun. pair it with a .357 revolver and you are ready for zombies.

shiftyer1
01-15-2011, 08:40 PM
I want to get a beat up ol 30-30 for the truck, my 64 is to pretty to ride in the truck :) As far as range i'm looking at 100 yards max mostly around 50. I had a mn m44 but didn't like it due to the short lop. Wouldn't mind one thats been sporterized, I shot one and it was more enjoyable for me to shoot.

I was thinking 180 grain would give up quite a bit of speed? Although I have been meaning to pick up some buffalo bore ammo and I believe it's a little hotter.

shiftyer1
01-15-2011, 08:45 PM
:) I actually got the rifle to pair with my blackhawk. Every now and then I consider getting into cowboy action shooting and I think it would make a good pair. As for the zombies, from the movies i've seen it's imposible to have enough gun or even close to enough ammo to last an hour and 1/2 let alone a whole day!

tsitenha
01-15-2011, 09:09 PM
Would the hollow points be able to function properly or would they expand to rapidly and be unstable because of the added velocity from the design operating velocity of a pistol?
I have one for my wife (cut 3/4" from the rear stock to balance it for her arms lentgh)

mosquitomountainman
01-15-2011, 09:56 PM
I killed one deer with my 9mm and 115 grain JHP. It died right quick. I'd use 158 grain jacketed soft points (no hollow points, they might expand too quickly at rifle velocities) in a rifle though or a good 158 grain lead semi-wadcutter with a gas check if you cast your own bullets. With good shot placement either should drop a deer real good out to 100 yards or so.

Alaskan Survivalist
01-16-2011, 03:27 AM
Just speculating as a reloader but a 357 rifle got me thinking. I would take a different direction. Rifles develop much more velocity than handguns. The first thing I would do is switch to a slower burning powder. These rounds would spit a flame from a pistol but in a rifle develop more velocity still. Then use heaviest hard cast bullets with the largest metplates I could find. These bullets would have deep penetration and bone breaking ability and would hunt with them accordingly. This is the kind of philosphy used on rifles for dangerous game applied to the 357. If you have the skill to advantage the quick followup shots afforded by a lever action it may be all the gun you need. It presents an interesting concept. Mind you this is just a theory.

aflineman
01-16-2011, 03:36 AM
I want one, but I want to thread it and put a suppressor on the end. ($200tax and all the right paperwork). A good friend has one, and with .38 special you can't tell the round went off. Just "click" and the gong rings down range. Really fun and cheap to shoot. You have to find someone who knows what they are doing to thread it though. Mag tube needs to be shortened and a few other things done. High ghost ring sights or a scope is a must to see over the can.

I do have a Handi-rifle in .357 that is an occasional companion in the woods. light and easy to carry.

Camp10
01-16-2011, 09:03 AM
I have the .357 in a handy rifle. My Marlin guide gun is a 44 mag. I havnt shot the .357 enough to know what the bullet does at all distances but the 44 mag is sited at 50 yards and will drop 12-14" (I dont remember which it is and my son is still sleeping) out at 100 yards! Make sure you know where that rifle hits at all ranges you would try. I dont think I would take a shot at a deer much beyond 40 or 50 yards, but that is just me.

kkbmtgg
01-18-2011, 05:30 PM
Afternoon shiftyer, I love the 94 chambered in .357 for the purposes you mention. here in Texas that's as good as it gets for deep woods East Tx hunting.
Out to 100 yards that little mag will do a fine job on deer and piggies though I do agree with a couple of other posts regarding hard cast or jacketed soft point bullets{ JHP's are no bueno for hunting with the .357} and keeping the range at 100 yards or less.

Beans
01-19-2011, 06:02 AM
In 1984 Hendeson NV PD was testing some materials to use to "bullet proof" their radio room which had a window that looked out into the public area. They were doing the final testing on the selected material at the local PD range.

They had shot the material with all kinds of handguns up to and including the .44 Magnum. I came into the range area to watch the final test. In my vehicle I was carrying a 1894 Marlin in .357 Magnum. Making a long story short I got permisson to shot the test material with the Marlin rifle, using the PD issued ammo.

The material failed, the .357 round just zipped through it. No more final testing they went back to the drawing board for a different material.

Pepper
01-23-2011, 10:17 PM
You may want to try the 158 soft nose I shot a small white tail with my ruger B/H 158 gr hand load went though stoped by the skin on other side ran 50 60 yards dropped dead clipped the bottom of his heart .

lucznik
01-26-2011, 12:09 AM
I have to respectfully disagree with those who say "no JHPs" in the .357 for hunting.

I have been using 180 gr. Hornady XTPs and Nosler Partition Golds (now discontinued) in my .357 mag almost exclusively and they have both proven to be absolutely superb. I will continue hunting with them without any qualms.

kkbmtgg
02-08-2011, 06:22 PM
I have to respectfully disagree with those who say "no JHPs" in the .357 for hunting.

I have been using 180 gr. Hornady XTPs and Nosler Partition Golds (now discontinued) in my .357 mag almost exclusively and they have both proven to be absolutely superb. I will continue hunting with them without any qualms.


I hear ya there lucznik, 180 grains of anything moving out at 12 to15 hundred FPS does a dandy job. My negatious attitude with HP pistol bullets for deer sized game is lack of penetration of some loads, by that I mean nearly all 125 grainers and most factory 158 grainers. JSP's or hard cast solids in these weights dig pretty deep but as you've indicated, 180 grains of gitty up-n-go does the job, HP or not.

OhioGrizzLapp
02-08-2011, 07:07 PM
That is a fine pick of a rifle. The caliber is right too for what you want it to do. If you reload, I would have some 158gr XTP over a small mag pistol primer and 4.2 of Universal. This will give you a vel of about 925 to 1015 and a hard enough hit to take just about anything in Texas down except for maybe HogZilla and even then, 3 rounds would do just fine there. There are also the new LeverEvolution ammo made for levers in .357, just absolute killers on thick skinned game.

If you would like 10 or so of the XTP's over Universal for the rifle, let me know, I will send you a handful sample for you to try, just pay S&H, then maybe you can reload them if you like em with a "slap a mole," Lee Basic loader for like $25 and components.

When you get into rifle velocities and energy, you cannot make assumptions based on pistol performance. .357 out of a rifle is a mighty punch. You can load down some .38's for smaller game or plinking (make sure you really clean the chamber as you can weld a ring from shooting hot 38's), then the .357's will not chamber well or rip a case apart on ejection. The gun may need some minor adjustments for shooting .38, but will still shoot .357 just fine.

I think though, if it were me and further thinking all around gun. I would stick with a 30-30, Hornady Leverevolution 160gr FTX for the larger game and then have avail in a shell holder a few sub cal inserts.... www.mcace.com in either .32 H&R or .30 cal carbine for the smaller faster game. You can shoot these out of your 30-30 and they are very accurate and will function in the lever easily for fast follow up shots.

With the .357, you can really only go down from there and not up, by using it in 30-30 you can go rifle grain up and sub cal insert down.

I shoot CAS in .357/.38 for pistol, derringer and rifle and do just fine with my handloads. My fav CAS load is in .38 special 150 grain LSWC (Kieth Style) over 3.6 grains of Universal & reg small pistol primer. They work fine out of all 3 guns and no mixing up different loads.

I have tried Trail Boss and HP38 powders but they are dirtier than Universal and not as stabil out of all 3 guns.

hunter63
02-09-2011, 01:30 PM
So following this line of thinking.........
.357 loaded with (fill in the numbers) and (FITN) bullet will shoot at (FITN)fps out of a (FITN)" pistol barrel.
Same load fired out of a rifle barrel (FITN) will be hitting (FITN) fps.

Same load w/JHP shoot at (FITN), but because of the increase in velocity (FITN) will prevent deap penatration on a deer sized animal?

I not seeing any real numbers, only speculation.
Anyone want to FITB (fill in the blanks?)

I do agree with not using JHP on deer sized animals w/44 Rem Mag, works too well, tends to make big holes, with either a Ruger SBH 6" barrel or a Ruger .44 mag carbine. (Personal experiance.)

OhioGrizzLapp
02-09-2011, 04:29 PM
On deer JHP would be just fine on hogs, no. On hogs you should use jacketed soft points from a rifle to get a good clean kill.



.357 loaded with (Win 296) and (158 jsp) bullet will shoot at (1338fps) fps out of a (6)" pistol barrel.
Same load fired out of a (18") rifle barrel will be hitting (1687) fps.

Same load w/JHP shot at (deer), but because of the increase in velocity (1700) will prevent deap penatration on a deer sized animal? ( Ohiogrizzlapp: I disagree with this statement on a deer, on a decent sized pig, this is a true statement). The bullet will explode within the inner part of the thick skin and not get pent. On a deer it will get pent and work fine. Shot placement is more important than over bulleting the round.

hunter63
02-09-2011, 06:41 PM
On deer JHP would be just fine on hogs, no. On hogs you should use jacketed soft points from a rifle to get a good clean kill.



.357 loaded with (Win 296) and (158 jsp) bullet will shoot at (1338fps) fps out of a (6)" pistol barrel.
Same load fired out of a (18") rifle barrel will be hitting (1687) fps.

Same load w/JHP shot at (deer), but because of the increase in velocity (1700) will prevent deap penatration on a deer sized animal? To clairfy.......This was a question rather than a statement.

( Ohiogrizzlapp: I disagree with this statement on a deer, on a decent sized pig, this is a true statement). The bullet will explode within the inner part of the thick skin and not get pent. On a deer it will get pent and work fine. Shot placement is more important than over bulleting the round.

Thanks you for the FITN as it make more sense that way, just seemed to be a lot of speculation with out the numbers.

I think the '94 .357 is a cool rifle, only seen one and never fired one.
Do shoot the, .357 as well as reload, one of my favorite rounds.

MidWestMat
02-10-2011, 12:54 AM
Hornady came out with some new ammo for lever guns that is pretty hot. Comes in .357, .44mag, and 30-30.
I ran some .357 in my 4" S&W and it was a bit uncomfortable. The 30-30 runs great in the Marlin though.

357 Mag 140 gr FTX LEVERevolution

EdD270
02-11-2011, 09:24 PM
I've killed a mule deer with a Ruger Blackhawk .357 at about 60 yards, 158 gr. soft nose worked fine, one shot kill. I used to have a Marlin .357 rifle, still regret trading it off. A fun gun, I'd like to get another one someday. It's a good rifle and should be fine for the little deer you have in TX and even for the hogs with 158 or 180 gr bullets out to 150 yards or so.
That said, if you're going to buy a rifle, why not buy one in a rifle calibre? As good as the Marlin .357 is, the Marlin .30-30 is so much better. If you're going to use a rifle because a pistol is inadequate, why handicap yourself with a rifle shooting pistol ammunition?

hunter63
02-11-2011, 10:19 PM
I've killed a mule deer with a Ruger Blackhawk .357 at about 60 yards, 158 gr. soft nose worked fine, one shot kill. I used to have a Marlin .357 rifle, still regret trading it off. A fun gun, I'd like to get another one someday. It's a good rifle and should be fine for the little deer you have in TX and even for the hogs with 158 or 180 gr bullets out to 150 yards or so.
That said, if you're going to buy a rifle, why not buy one in a rifle calibre? As good as the Marlin .357 is, the Marlin .30-30 is so much better. If you're going to use a rifle because a pistol is inadequate, why handicap yourself with a rifle shooting pistol ammunition?

I have to agree with your logic....and I see it all the time....."I needing a new rifle (?) so I thinking a pistol caliber?" (WHY.....They come is all kinds of calibers)

I no longer question the logic, because '94 in .357 or .44 mag is cool, and I don't have one....so that means I might be needing one as well, LOL.
I don't own a 30-30 either.

If I'm getting down to some serious hunting, I will take the best suited tool I own, my tastes tend to run a tad larger,..... I want a caliber that when I see something and deside I'm pulling the trigger....I want it to fall over right there...getting too old to chase stuff.

I'm kinda lusting on the Henry 'Big Boy" in .44 mag, my self.

shiftyer1
02-12-2011, 02:00 AM
I'm not buying a rifle, i own the marlin and also a 94 in 30-30. A few other rifles and shotguns as well. I bought the .357 just because I own the blackhawk. I'm really just trying to find more of a use for this rifle, I like the way it cycles and feels more than I do my winchester. It's time it gets used more!

I used a 158 gr. semi jacketed hollow point from monarch on a hog last nite and it did the job, I didn't like the penetration I got so it's time to go get some new ammo :) I'm happy with it so far, 2 skunks, 1 coyote and a hog, I think it'll do..... i'll let ya now if I change my opinion.

2dumb2kwit
02-12-2011, 12:25 PM
I have to agree with your logic....and I see it all the time....."I needing a new rifle (?) so I thinking a pistol caliber?" (WHY.....They come is all kinds of calibers)

I no longer question the logic, because '94 in .357 or .44 mag is cool, and I don't have one....so that means I might be needing one as well, LOL.
I don't own a 30-30 either.

If I'm getting down to some serious hunting, I will take the best suited tool I own, my tastes tend to run a tad larger,..... I want a caliber that when I see something and deside I'm pulling the trigger....I want it to fall over right there...getting too old to chase stuff.

I'm kinda lusting on the Henry 'Big Boy" in .44 mag, my self.

LOL...I've really enjoyed shooting a .44 mag levergun.......with cowboy loads! It's great for plinking!

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