would you trade your guns for groceries ?

[Justin Case]

Police bag firearms in grocery exchange
211 weapons collected in San Bernardino program
Mike Cruz, Staff Writer
Posted: 12/18/2010 04:29:47 PM PST

San Bernardino police collected 211 firearms at its first-ever Guns for Groceries gun buyback program Saturday at Arrowhead Credit Union Park.

The program was so successful, it ended early when police ran out of grocery coupons.

Among the weapons collected were a fully automatic Uzi, an AK-47 rifle and a Russian SKS rifle. Police said thousands of dollars worth of gift cards were handed out. No names of gun owners were collected.

"We have 211 weapons that will never, ever commit another crime in the city of San Bernardino," said police Lt. Keith Prostler. "If we saved one life by removing these 211 guns through this program, I count it as a huge success."

A $50 gift card was given in exchange for a pistol, rifle or a shotgun. Firearms classified as assault weapons under state law netted $100 gift cards.

Guns for Groceries was made possible by a $10,000 donation from Food for Less. Businesses that want to participate in future gun buyback programs can contact San Bernardino police at 909-384-5742.
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[Rick]

They have 211 weapons that probably would never ever have been used in a crime because they were turned in by law abiding (if not a tad naive) citizens. I'd be willing to bet a jelly donut that not one criminal turned in a single weapon.

[Justin Case]

They have 211 weapons that probably would never ever have been used in a crime because they were turned in by law abiding (if not a tad naive) citizens. I'd be willing to bet a jelly donut that not one criminal turned in a single weapon.

Yes, Thats how I feel too,, I guess these people dont know most of these guns are worth more than 50 bucks,,,, Hello Pawn shop !

[Justin Case]

Ya know, i just had another thought (ouch),, but wouldn't the transfer of ownership of these guns from the people to the police need to go through a licensed FFL dealer ????

[oly]

Well I do have a 30.06 that fired while loading and thank god I always keep my firearms pointed in a safe direction. It will not ever be fired again by anyone.

[canid]

it sounds like this was a no questions asked hand-over, not a transfer of ownership.

i doubt any person trading a restricted assault weapon was an FFL holder, or i suppose they would have just sold the thing through legal channels (and almost surely have gotten a better deal than $100).

i don't get the idea that these where all law abiding citizens, but also people taking the opportunity to get some groceries by giving up their unlawfully possessed firearms.

[Rick]

The only thing restricted was the full auto Uzi. AKs and SKS are not. They are nothing more than another semi-auto. So out of 211 weapons, one shouldn't have been on the street as far as we know. I just don't get it.

[canid]

you don't know that. there are many thousands of full auto converted rifles in this state, and a mind-bogglingly large number of unregistered handguns. who's going to sell their several hundred dollar, lawfully possessed firearm in a no-questions asked handover for a 50-100 dollar gift certificate? there are no shortage of purchasers.

the last time i tried to buy a handgun, despite the many dozens of pistols in the shop, the shop didn't seem to actually own any of them, and i couldn't get a sig, taurus, ruger, etc. in .40s&w or .45acp without having them order it from the factory with a several month backorder.

[Mertell]

I don't own any $50 guns. Come to think of it, I don't think I have ever even seen a gun worth so little.....

[2dumb2kwit]

These gun buying schemes are about the biggest load of politically correct, make it look like we are doing something, crap I've seen.

It makes me sick, to think of all the historically significant guns, that have been destroyed, for no good reason.

[Justin Case]

Ya know, i just had another thought (ouch),, but wouldn't the transfer of ownership of these guns from the people to the police need to go through a licensed FFL dealer ????

I mean, whats to stop me or you from trading gift cards for guns ? if the guns are stolen aren't the cops guilty of receiving stolen property or something ? hmmm ?

[canid]

that's just the point. i don't think this was ever about compensating people appropriately to give up their lawfully owned guns but to see if any incentive of immediate value would persuade needy people go give up their illegal guns.

if i'm right inn that thinking then i can't say i mind the thought that it would appeal most to the most desperate of illegal gun owners.

[2dumb2kwit]

The story didn't say whether or not they checked the guns to see if any were stolen. Did any guns get returned to their rightful owners???

You know....on the bright side, if you are a criminal there, you now know that you can steal guns, and sell them to the police, with no questions asked.

Let's see......how can a criminal get drug money???

[canid]

i don't care how many of what sort of gun you own, lawfully or not, but if you're fool enough to let something of that value go for so little, when there are smarter options i can't say i'd trust your judgement in using one.

i can't take seriously the idea of selling stolen guns for small gift certificates and reselling those for guns because that's even less economical than trading the gun for the certificates in the first place. you might just as well sell the thing for near it's value in cash and buy any combination of guns, drugs and food you wanted at a better rate. it doesn't wash.

[Camp10]

I am in the group of Americans that believe the country is safer with armed citizens. I also think that most of the guns collected were probably worn out junk. The only other group that shows up to turn in guns are the elderly and it is usually because the hunband died and the spouse doent know what to do with the guns. It is criminal IMO to give an elderly lady $50 for a several hundred (at least) dollar rifle or shotgun!

[Justin Case]

Guns for groceries has its critics

Guns for groceries has its critics
Josh Dulaney, Staff Writer
Posted: 12/16/2010 05:09:14 PM PST

SAN BERNARDINO - As the Police Department gears up for its first-ever gun buyback event, some residents here are questioning the effectiveness of such programs, especially in a city where the relationship between law enforcement and the public has been strained at times.

"You might get (people) assuming it's a sting operation," said Marysa Morgan, a 28-year-old resident.

But the Police Department's top cop says Saturday's event at Arrowhead Credit Union Park, where folks can turn in unloaded guns for grocery gift cards, is a straightforward effort by police to get more guns off the streets.

Folks can turn the guns in anonymously.

"It may be hard to believe, but this is all no questions asked," Police Chief Keith Kilmer said.

Police invite the public to bring their pistols, rifles and shotguns in exchange for $50 gift cards for use at any Food 4 Less.

Gift cards worth $100 will be given in exchange for firearms classified as assault weapons under state law.

Under California law, guns considered assault weapons include rifles such as AK or AR-15 series weapons or other rifles that employ a box magazine, along with such design features such as a pistol grip, flash suppressor or thumbhole stock.

California's assault weapons law also includes shotguns or semiautomatic pistols with certain prohibited features.

Kilmer said the exchange process will be simple.

"Come to the location . . . and literally
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no questions asked, we're going to take the gun, make sure it's not loaded, treat it safely, take that gun in and issue you a card, and you get that card and you're on your merry way," he said.

Police are using a $10,000 donation from Food 4 Less to fund the program.

But critics of gun buybacks say the outreaches don't put a dent in crime and ultimately are a waste of money.

"They are great for politicians and others to look like they're doing something, but they're really silly and don't work," said Alex Tabarrok, a professor of economics at George Mason University in Virginia, and director of research at The Independent Institute, a nonprofit research group in Oakland.

Tabarrok said criminologists and sociologists have conducted so many studies showing the ineffectiveness of the programs across the country, that the researchers have tired of studying the issue.

"Typically what happens is, there's an old gun, it doesn't work any longer or people have just bought a new gun," he said. "People just turn in these old and often non-working guns."

In some cases where cash has been offered, folks end up with more money in their pockets than the guns are worth, he said.

But Kilmer, who had gun buyback program experience as Bell Gardens' police chief, where he served before coming to San Bernardino last year, said events in which he was involved saw a variety of firearms turned in, including newer models.

There is conflicting research on the program, he said.

"My perspective is, we should be doing everything we can to get firearms off the street when they're in a vulnerable position," Kilmer said. "It shows the public we're choosing to think outside the box."

Kilmer said guns used in crimes, including gang retaliations, are often stolen from "good people", so buybacks at least eliminate some firearms that would have otherwise been available to criminals.

He said the buyback is not the end-all to crime reduction, but is designed to augment other police efforts such as gang and narcotics enforcement, youth programs and education.

And while critics like Tabarrok suggest the money could be better spent on officer overtime or other efforts to put cops on the street, Kilmer said "$10,000 in overtime is not going to go very far."

He called the buyback program a "win-win" because it helps get guns off the street and money goes back into the community.

But even the idea of the gift cards going into the community was of concern to Morgan, who said a grocery card could be used in other crimes.

"Some people on drugs might want to sell it for drugs," she said. "Some people might say, `give me $30 for this $50 food card."'

Morgan said the program is worth a try and future buybacks could see bigger crowds if the police gain the trust of the public at the first event.

"They might get a better turnout once (people) see they don't get popped for it."

[email protected],
909-386-3885

Groceries for guns

The San Bernardino Police Department gun buyback event is scheduled to be from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday at Arrowhead Credit Union Park, 280 South E St.

Information on state gun laws can be viewed at the Attorney General's Office Bureau of Firearms page at ag.ca.gov/firearms.

Those who want to turn a firearm do not have to live in San Bernardino. Firearms become Police Department property and will not be returned.


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[canid]

It is criminal IMO to give an elderly lady $50 for a several hundred (at least) dollar rifle or shotgun!
agreed wholeheartedly, but i haven't got the shadow of a cause to think that's what's happening.

any lawfull owner of a gun can sell it for a more or less fair value through legal channels, and anybody in their right mind in possession of an unlawful firearm can do the same through other channels.

the critics cited would be fools to question the effectiveness of a program that managed to buy 211 firearms for $10,550-21,100. any firearms dealer who could pull that off would retire and be the envy of the gun community.

the assertion that it is a waste of money, even if could be demonstrated to be true reflects only that it is moronic not to sell seized weapons back to the general public where it would ultimately improve the ratio of armed law-abiders to armed criminals.

[2dumb2kwit]

i don't care how many of what sort of gun you own, lawfully or not, but if you're fool enough to let something of that value go for so little, when there are smarter options i can't say i'd trust your judgement in using one.i can't take seriously the idea of selling stolen guns for small gift certificates and reselling those for guns because that's even less economical than trading the gun for the certificates in the first place. you might just as well sell the thing for near it's value in cash and buy any combination of guns, drugs and food you wanted at a better rate. it doesn't wash.

What really ticks me off, is the automatic distruction of everything that gets turned in. It's the little ol' widows, that turn in that gun that has been in the closet, forever, for $50 and the fact that they don't have to worry about that ol gun. They just don't know any better. I can't fault them for that, but someone should be there to say DON'T destroy that Nazi marked Mauser, that that vet. brought back from WW2. The one that he took off that dead Nazi, after a ......ah nevermind. Those who don't get it, never will.

[2dumb2kwit]

agreed wholeheartedly, but i haven't got the shadow of a cause to think that's what's happening.any lawfull owner of a gun can sell it for a more or less fair value through legal channels, and anybody in their right mind in possession of an unlawful firearm can do the same through other channels.

I have friends, who are LEO's that are involved in these "buybacks", and this is a VERY common thing! Those guys feel sick about it, but they have no choice, but to take the gun....and destroy it.

[2dumb2kwit]

agreed wholeheartedly, but i haven't got the shadow of a cause to think that's what's happening.

any lawfull owner of a gun can sell it for a more or less fair value through legal channels, and anybody in their right mind in possession of an unlawful firearm can do the same through other channels.

the critics cited would be fools to question the effectiveness of a program that managed to buy 211 firearms for $10,550-21,100. any firearms dealer who could pull that off would retire and be the envy of the gun community.

Effectiveness??? They spent 10 to 20 grand, and most likely didn't make any difference in crime.

[Camp10]

I have friends, who are LEO's that are involved in these "buybacks", and this is a VERY common thing! Those guys feel sick about it, but they have no choice, but to take the gun....and destroy it.

I know this to be true as well. I have friends in law enforcement that have given the same horror stories.

[canid]

the most likely portion of that statement is the matter in contention. none of us know. my point, as stated was that even if it where demonstrated, it could still be amended by the practice of not destroying valuable weapons just to spite the world. on we seem to be on the same page about.

i still maintain my position that if you're dumb enough to turn in a legally owned firearm (or a responsibly but illegally owned one) for $50-100 in gift certificates, i'm personally glad you aren't armed, since i don't trust your judgement.

you could just as readily, as i've stated above sell it for cash at or near value, elderly woman or not. i want to meet this woman who has lived in this society for 50-100 years and doesn't know that there is a booming industry in the buying and selling of guns, and stores where this business is done thrive in almost every city in the nation.

it's a shame that this hypothetical woman who might have inherited posession of say, a responsible but law-dismissive husband who owned illegal weapons but comitted no other crime would have no recourse but to sell them through shady channels. so far; this is the only point i can't address fairly.

[2dumb2kwit]

the most likely portion of that statement is the matter in contention. none of us know. my point, as stated was that even if it where demonstrated, it could still be amended by the practice of not destroying valuable weapons just to spite the world. on we seem to be on the same page about.

i still maintain my position that if you're dumb enough to turn in a legally owned firearm (or a responsibly but illegally owned one) for $50-100 in gift certificates, i'm personally glad you aren't armed, since i don't trust your judgement.

you could just as readily, as i've stated above sell it for cash at or near value, elderly woman or not. i want to meet this woman who has lived in this society for 50-100 years and doesn't know that there is a booming industry in the buying and selling of guns, and stores where this business is done thrive in almost every city in the nation.

it's a shame that this hypothetical woman who might have inherited posession of say, a responsible but law-dismissive husband who owned illegal weapons but comitted no other crime would have no recourse but to sell them through shady channels. so far; this is the only point i can't address fairly.

I'm not speaking "hypothetically". I'm speaking of actual events. Also, in most states, these are LEGAL guns. And yes....some little old ladies have no idea of the value of a rifle, or where to sell it. They just hear on the news that the police will take it, and give them $50.

I guess we will just have to agree to dis-agree. I think these programs are a waste.

[canid]

there's no shame in that. i disagree with people i respect all the time. i'm trying to demonstrate that the problems arising here are not problems with the program, but actually point them out where they lay.

e.g. the problem with a person not knowing the value of their property is not one inherent in the gun exchange program, but in their lack of awareness. A direct solution would be - for example - to raise awareness that is is an economically foolish move for lawful owners of firearms, not pass the buck.

since this thread is about a gun turn-in in california, that is the one i'm speaking of.

[FVR]

I wonder how many of these guns were stolen from law abiding citizens?

[canid]

probably a significant number.

on the long list of things i don't know is whether the police are required to inform a person who has reported property stolen when it is recovered. i'm probably safe in guessing so, but i wouldn't mind finding out for sure.

[Justin Case]

probably a significant number.

on the long list of things i don't know is whether the police are required to inform a person who has reported property stolen when it is recovered. i'm probably safe in guessing so, but i wouldn't mind finding out for sure.

did you see post #16 ? I think there was a phone number ,,,,

[Camp10]

it's a shame that this hypothetical woman who might have inherited posession of say, a responsible but law-dismissive husband who owned illegal weapons but comitted no other crime would have no recourse but to sell them through shady channels. so far; this is the only point i can't address fairly.

I know the name of one of these "hypothetical" women. A lady gave me her husbands firearms when he passed because she didnt know what to do with them and was uncomfortable with them in her house. She was under the impression (wonder why?) that there are lots of hoops to jump through to own and sell guns. There are no such restrictions here or in PA for the guns involved. When I wrote her a check for $1500 she cried...she had no idea that they were an asset not a burden. She isnt dumb, isnt a shut in and her husband wasnt "law-dismissive".

[canid]

so she had the legal recourse to sell them and did so.

it's good of you to make sure she knew she had fair options, but that affirms my point. it would not have been food-4-less's responsibility nor that of the police department to make sure she knew that. it would be nice if they did so anyway, but that is a separate issue. you took the direct approach of informing her, and further facilitating the solution by buying them yourself.

the 'law-dismissive' example was a separate one, illustrating that even if she had been a different woman who's husband had chosen to own illegal firearms, or own firearms illegally she would still have had some recourse, but in that case less fairly so.

[BENESSE]

I'm with Canid on this.
Bottom line: It ought to be a personal responsibility to be informed. If you're not, you bear the consequences.

[2dumb2kwit]

I'm with Canid on this.
Bottom line: It ought to be a personal responsibility to be informed. If you're not, you bear the consequences.

I understand what Canid, and you, are saying. I'm just saying that the programs have flaws, that cause bad things to happen, and there is no evidence that they do any good.

So my point is, that they are shown to do bad things, but not shown to do good. Why would anyone support such a thing?

I agree with wanting less gun crime......but these buybacks don't help with that.

[BENESSE]

Less guns in the hands of the clueless is a good thing IMO.

[2dumb2kwit]

Also, around here, it is either state or fed. money involved. As such, it is part of the deal that the guns have to be destroyed.....period.

If they had an expert there, and guns of "historical significance" were saved, I would have no problem .....wait....scratch that. It's still a friggin' waste of money, that could be used to actually fight crime!

[2dumb2kwit]

Less guns in the hands of the clueless is a good thing IMO.

That could be said about so many things......why limit it to guns? LOL

[BENESSE]

It's really two separate issues 2D.
1. trading guns for something.
2. what happens to the guns later.

[BENESSE]

That could be said about so many things......why limit it to guns? LOL

They are not.
Smoking, alcohol, crap food, etc... (now go ahead and bite my head off.)

[2dumb2kwit]

It's really two separate issues 2D.
1. trading guns for something.
2. what happens to the guns later.

Yes.
1. Is wasteful, and does no good. (At least there is no evidence of doing any good.)
2. Breaks my heart!

[2dumb2kwit]

They are not.
Smoking, alcohol, crap food, etc... (now go ahead and bite my head off.)

Heck....I think people should have to pass test, get licensed, and show the financial resources needed, before they are allowed to have children.

[canid]

there are a couple of reasons.

firstly, and most importantly: i have no basis to conclude that they do no good. that it isn't statistically demonstrated to reduce crime is not the same as a conclusion that it does not. i don't understand how a person could fail to see the benefit of each unlawfully owned firearm collected.

while there are flaws; i have been trying to demonstrate that they aren't - or aren't entirely - inherent in the turn-in programs.

next: the program, as in the california example has promise extending further than the current effect. by refining it, i have no reason to believe it can't be made more effective. the prospect of reselling these firearms to the public through legitimate channels is one. the prospect of - at a cost of $50 - returning a stolen firearm to it's owner, while simultaneously removing it from the hands of either the thief, or a person who bought it unlawfully from the thief, if such a thing is being done or can readily be done is another. both practiced would have the effect of increasing the ration of firearms owned by the responsible public to firearms owned by criminals.

with all that said; i think i've communicated my position and i think i've understood yours and that's good enough for me. we're all grown-ups here (well, except maybe me :D) so i'd just as soon let it rest there.

[BENESSE]

Heck....I think people should have to pass test, get licensed, and show the financial resources needed, before they are allowed to have children.

Preaching to the choir, 2D. I'm in violent agreement on that one. Don't get me started.

[2dumb2kwit]

They are not.
Smoking, alcohol, crap food, etc... (now go ahead and bite my head off.)

You know that I don't agree with that. People should be able to eat, drink and smoke what they want.....BUT...they are responsible for themselves, and their actions!

[BENESSE]

Yes, in a perfect world. But until then I'm not paying for it!

[2dumb2kwit]

As a side note...

..I'd trade Justin, for $100 worth of groceries. LOL:oops:

[Rick]

Canid, I was just commenting on the article. The original article said only one full auto was recovered.

While the intent may be good, I think the effort is misguided.

1. Returned guns could be stolen and never returned to the owner (as mentioned)
2. No criminal check is made of those returning weapons so there are no stats on how many criminals are returning weapons. If you had a felony conviction would you walk up to a cop and hand them a gun? Especially if you were on parole? I don't think so.
3. If they have a weapon and need food they can sell the weapon directly on the black market and still get as much or more for cash or probably in food stamps or drugs.
4. How does one prove the weapons recovered would have been used in crimes? One could just as easily say they wouldn't have been. Neither camp can prove their belief.

[hunter63]

Getting back to the original question, would I trade guns for groceries, short answer, No, unless I was really hungry.

Trade in programs, I don't agree with, usually a public relation "feel good" program that doesn't really have much to do with actually "getting guns off the streets", especially using taxpayers money.

All the reasons given above are valued, to a point, I'm sure little old ladies have gotten taken, and maybe a gang-banger's momma, turned in her kids gun, to keep him outta trouble.
But in the big picture, not a effective way of cutting down crime, IMHO.

We can legally sell firearms privately in Wisconsin, so I watch the paper, close.
I get called from time to time to assist in the sale of "little old ladies DH's guns and try to be fair.

[SARKY]

So let me get this straight...... the police buy the guns, no questions asked and then what? Do they check to see if they are stolen? used in a crime? If not, then aren't the police aiding and abetting criminals???

[Sarge47]

Well I personally think that the "buy-back" program is a great idea & I'm starting my own. 50 bucks for a pistol, rifle, or shotgun, & 100 bucks for an assault weapon. :yes:

I'm personally looking for a 1911 .45 & a Ruger Mini Ranch Rifle with a several extra clips.....:D

any takers? :scared:

[hunter63]

Well I personally think that the "buy-back" program is a great idea & I'm starting my own. 50 bucks for a pistol, rifle, or shotgun, & 100 bucks for an assault weapon. :yes:

I'm personally looking for a 1911 .45 & a Ruger Mini Ranch Rifle with a several extra clips.....:D

any takers? :scared:

LOL, Way to go Sarge, tell it like it is......
Thats kinda what I was trying to imply, with out really coming right out with it.......

[crashdive123]

I serve on the Sheriff's Advisory Council. When they were getting ready to do a buy back I asked our districts assistant chief if it was legal for me to set up a block away and offer $25 more for select guns. While he never told me that there was anything illegal about it, I could tell that he would take a dim view of it and due to no open carry laws in FL, and my purchases would be taking place on public property........now I've got to find a local home owner that will "rent" me some space.

[hunter63]

We actually have people advertising for old guns in the local paper, so I don't see why you couldn't do it.

[rwc1969]

Not under this scenario I would not. But, I in fact have essentially traded guns for groceries in the past. Of course I sold them and then used the money to buy food, gas and pay rent.

Guns can get you food, but unless you're a crook they can't put a roof over your head or gas in your car. I regret every day letting them go and it's been many years now, but they were doing me no good just sitting there collecting dust. The only ones I kept were what my Dad left me for centimental value, which was more valuable to me at the time so I kept them.

I gave up my Mossy 500 12 ga., Winchester break action 20 ga., Wichester lever 30-30, Ruger 10/22 and CVA .50 cal. sidelock for a month or two's living expenses. I would liked to have kept the lever action and .20 ga. as they were gifts, but a gift does me no good if I'm facing car repossesion, homelessness and hunger.


Police bag firearms in grocery exchange
211 weapons collected in San Bernardino program
Mike Cruz, Staff Writer
Posted: 12/18/2010 04:29:47 PM PST

San Bernardino police collected 211 firearms at its first-ever Guns for Groceries gun buyback program Saturday at Arrowhead Credit Union Park.

The program was so successful, it ended early when police ran out of grocery coupons.

Among the weapons collected were a fully automatic Uzi, an AK-47 rifle and a Russian SKS rifle. Police said thousands of dollars worth of gift cards were handed out. No names of gun owners were collected.

"We have 211 weapons that will never, ever commit another crime in the city of San Bernardino," said police Lt. Keith Prostler. "If we saved one life by removing these 211 guns through this program, I count it as a huge success."

A $50 gift card was given in exchange for a pistol, rifle or a shotgun. Firearms classified as assault weapons under state law netted $100 gift cards.

Guns for Groceries was made possible by a $10,000 donation from Food for Less. Businesses that want to participate in future gun buyback programs can contact San Bernardino police at 909-384-5742.
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[crashdive123]

Buying them wouldn't be a problem. Buying them on a street corner might garner some undue attention.

[Rick]

Set up right next to 'em.

Citizen: "Can I get $50 for this pistol?"
Cop: "That's right ma'am."
Crash: "I'll make it $60."
Cop: "What? No. I'll go $65."
Crash: "70."
Cop: "What the...? 75."
Crash: "80"
Citizen: "Is this a great country or what?"

[oldtrap59]

Guys and gals. The pro's and con's could be dicussed for hours and hours, even days and weeks with neither side of the argument changing anything on the other side. I wish only to state my feeling then I'll sit the rest of the discussion out.
The original ?? being. Would I trade my guns for groceries? NO WAY.

Oldtrap

[rebel]

Police bag firearms in grocery exchange
211 weapons collected in San Bernardino program
Mike Cruz, Staff Writer
Posted: 12/18/2010 04:29:47 PM PST

San Bernardino police collected 211 firearms at its first-ever Guns for Groceries gun buyback program Saturday at Arrowhead Credit Union Park.

The program was so successful, it ended early when police ran out of grocery coupons.

Among the weapons collected were a fully automatic Uzi, an AK-47 rifle and a Russian SKS rifle. Police said thousands of dollars worth of gift cards were handed out. No names of gun owners were collected.

"We have 211 weapons that will never, ever commit another crime in the city of San Bernardino," said police Lt. Keith Prostler. "If we saved one life by removing these 211 guns through this program, I count it as a huge success."

A $50 gift card was given in exchange for a pistol, rifle or a shotgun. Firearms classified as assault weapons under state law netted $100 gift cards.

Guns for Groceries was made possible by a $10,000 donation from Food for Less. Businesses that want to participate in future gun buyback programs can contact San Bernardino police at 909-384-5742.
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...another idiot feel good program. Will they ever get it?

[welderguy]

I've got an old wore out RG 22 cal that i picked up for 20bucks at a flea market , they can have that one for 50 bucks.

[Sarge47]

To answer the OP's original thread question: "Would I trade my guns for groceries?" Absolutely not! I can use my guns to hunt my groceries. However I would trade groceries for guns! What can I get for this can of Lima Beans? :cowboy:

[revaredneck]

charalton hestin said it best, when they pry it from cold dead fingers, the only way they will get mine.

[Sarge47]

charalton hestin said it best, when they pry it from cold dead fingers, the only way they will get mine.
Still waiting on that intro dude. :mellow:

[glockcop]

"Would you trade your guns for groceries?" Nope,... Because when the SHTF my gun will get me all the groceries I care to take :). I know, I know...that's a pretty crappy way to look at things but it's a fact. Would I trade a gun for food in a "non" time of crisis?....You're kidding right?

[Justin Case]

They are doing it again,,,,, http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/04/19/turn-in-firearms-with-the-citys-anonymous-gun-buyback-program/

Everywhere ! http://www.google.com/search?q=gun+buy+back+2011&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[Rick]

Let's see.....$200, huh. My Mosins cost 78 and my Raven Arms .25 cost $40. Well, before the great canoe accident of 2010. I wonder what they'd do if I pulled up with a semi load of Mosins and Raven Arms.

[Sourdough]

I have some guns that I would trade for "SEX".

[Rick]

I don't need another gun that bad but thanks for the offer.

[crashdive123]

I have some guns that I would trade for "SEX".

There's a joke in there about the government, but since we don't discuss politics, I guess I'll let it go.

[glockcop]

So let me get this straight...... the police buy the guns, no questions asked and then what? Do they check to see if they are stolen? used in a crime? If not, then aren't the police aiding and abetting criminals???

First off I don't agree with "buy back" programs but yes they are run through NCIC, the ATF, and the NIBIN system to check for possible use in crimes. They are then destroyed or forfieted to the agency for department use such as being issued to Reserve units or training for example. They could also be traded in by the department to gun manufacturers such as Sig Sauer or Glock for a discount on new issued weapons.

[Justin Case]

They were showing it on the news last night,,, they showed a few AR15's, a couple mini 14's and trash cans full of shot guns, rifles and hand guns,, there was a huge line of cars waiting to unload and get their 100 or 200 hundred dollar card...

[bobzilla]

This is an unusual coincidence,my Grandfather traded groceries for an Oxford Arms 20 gauge SxS,during the Great Depression and I still have it,the forearm wood is split and the end of the barrels are tissue thin,sign of the times?

[xj2000]

They have 211 weapons that probably would never ever have been used in a crime because they were turned in by law abiding (if not a tad naive) citizens. I'd be willing to bet a jelly donut that not one criminal turned in a single weapon.

Some criminals are stupid

[xj2000]

Ya know, i just had another thought (ouch),, but wouldn't the transfer of ownership of these guns from the people to the police need to go through a licensed FFL dealer ????

Don't need to have an FFL to buy or sell guns.

[hunter63]

I have an old sat nite special .22 that I nwould trade in for $200 bucks..........It's a revolver that kinda stops where it feels like, doesbn't have anything to do with "indexing".........Where do I take it?????

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