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Justin Case
12-17-2010, 09:47 AM
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Police: Houston store owner kills 3 would-be robbers
'The man was clearly defending his business, clearly defending his wife'


HOUSTON — A jewelry store owner shot and killed three armed men who tried to rob his business, police said.

Two men were in an east Houston jewelry store Thursday afternoon pretending to be customers when a third man burst into the store and stated, "This is a robbery," Houston police spokesman Kese Smith said.

All three men then pulled out pistols, tied up the store owner's wife and took her to a back room, Smith said.

As they were trying to tie up the store owner, the 52-year-old took out a handgun from his waistband and fatally shot one of the suspects, Smith said. The store owner then grabbed a shotgun and shot and killed the two other suspects in the ensuring gunbattle, Smith said.

CONTINUED @ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40713870/

canid
12-17-2010, 10:38 AM
i would say good for him but for the escalation of the danger he put his wife into.

Rick
12-17-2010, 12:10 PM
I'm glad it worked out like it's supposed to.

Had I been robber number three I know exactly what I would have done. I would have gotten down on one knee to make my profile much smaller. Raised both hands clasped in front of me and begged him not to kill me. Is it just me or is something a tad wrong with a guy that continues to fight after both his accomplices are trying to rob Heaven or....well (sounds like, close to)?

Pal334
12-17-2010, 01:34 PM
Good for him, he did what he had to do and helped the community by culling the herd a bit.

As to escalation of danger:thumbdown:

1)Three armed men were robbing him.
2)His wife was tied up.
3)They were attempting to tie him up.
4)He refused to be a victim.
5) The morons did not catch on quickly to this mans determination

Men are supposed to protect their family (I am not sorry if that sounded sexiest :) ). If he allowed his hands to be bound he would not have been able to try to protect her. Sure there was a danger she would still be hurt, but he had to do something other than getting his panties in a knot

crashdive123
12-17-2010, 04:17 PM
Bravo. DRT is what these pnks deserved and got.

2dumb2kwit
12-17-2010, 04:55 PM
Sounds to me like the guy should get a medal.


the 52-year-old took out a handgun from his waistband and fatally shot one of the suspects, Smith said. The store owner then grabbed a shotgun and shot and killed the two other suspects in the ensuring gunbattle, Smith said.

He did all that, and he and his wife are OK.

Yep....dude deserves a medal.

2dumb2kwit
12-17-2010, 05:00 PM
Sounds to me like the guy should get a medal.



He did all that, and he and his wife are OK.

Yep....dude deserves a medal.

Well....hopefully OK.



The newspaper said Ramon Castillo was in critical but stable condition at a hospital after suffering gunshot wounds to his left shoulder, left abdomen and legs.

According to the Chronicle, Castillo apparently didn't realize he'd been shot until after he untied his wife.

.The woman was unharmed, police said.

Rick
12-17-2010, 05:08 PM
Just shows to go you. If it ain't your time, it ain't your time.

Justin Case
12-17-2010, 05:41 PM
That must have been a hell of a gunfight !

KhonHd
12-17-2010, 07:10 PM
I agree... Good for him! Three less maggots to rob and hurt someone else. And had he started to shoot before they came at him I would be saying the following quote:

Thou shalt not be a victim.
Thou shalt not be a perpetrator.
Above all, thou shalt not be a bystander.

~ Holocaust Museum, Washington, DC

Enough of people standing around and letting themselvs be victims... We are being conditioned to do nothing in fear of the law and/or lawsuits...

Rick
12-17-2010, 07:18 PM
Oh, I don't know. You know the old saying, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Camp10
12-17-2010, 07:21 PM
Just think, 3 robbers off the street and it wont cost the taxpayers a penny! I sure hope this guy heals up from his wounds soon and I hope he and his wife will be able to get past the visions and dreams they are bound to experience. Doing the right thing can be hard on the mind and body sometimes!

canid
12-18-2010, 04:06 AM
It was a robbery. They didn't have any special reason to want him or his wife dead.

While i don't have all the details, if he had fired on them and managed to kill or wound only one or two of them, there was every chance in the world the robbers would still have control of his wife and then actually have a desire to harm to her.

If they had killed his wife, or made her a widow as a result of his choice to fight back nobody would be talking about how great it was. If he had made a decision that only put himself in escalated danger, or if there are some details about the robbers' treatment of his wife we don't know that gave him reason to think he was lessening her danger i would feel differently.

Pal334
12-18-2010, 09:08 AM
Well Canid, I respect that you have your opinion. I do completely disagree with it, primary for the reasons I stated above and this statement by the Investigating officer:
"It is a pretty incredible story. The man was clearly defending his business, clearly defending his wife," Waters told the newspaper".

canid
12-18-2010, 09:23 AM
oppinion can at best reflect a fair view of circumstances. it is not in itself a basis for forming a conclusion - on my part or yours.

the reality is still that without having a complete picture of the circumstances, it is as plausible that he increased his wife's danger as it is that he was diminishing it at the time he chose to act. the fact that it turned out well in this instance would not have meant a thing had it gone worse. not would the oppinion of the police officer, myself or yourself. nor - further - would the denialist bravado that tells us act as if we're in control of a situation which we aren't, guns be damned.

all things in perspective; i think we're both glad he ultimately was able to act in his and his wife's own defense to good end. not being there i can't say for sure it was as irresponsible as i believe it, and as always; i'm not afraid to be wrong when i'm trying to be fair.

and since i haven't come out directly to say it so far; i hope you understand i respect your view as well.

Justin Case
12-18-2010, 09:32 AM
Here is a more detailed story,,,,
http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=2630

Pal334
12-18-2010, 09:37 AM
Agreed, but I will always side with the trained officers opinion . Also on my professional experience dealing with the increasing violence of these misfits that prey on people. Never give them a break, they will seldom give you a break, especially when you can not defend yourself. I always advocate, when in doubt act. That way , you are in at least some control, and not giving that control to the trash.

But differences in views is what makes the world go round :)

Justin Case
12-18-2010, 09:39 AM
oops,, I meant to post THIS link,, sorry http://www.khou.com/news/Police-identify-2-of-3-robbery-suspects-killed-by-Houston-jewelry-store-owner-112083964.html


His children issued the following statement Friday afternoon: "On Thursday, December 16th, our parents were the victims of a horrible crime that resulted in critical injuries to our father, Ramon Castillo. Words cannot express our outrage at this needless act of violence. However, we are not surprised that our father chose to fight back against these attackers to save his property and most of all, to protect our mother and his wife of 30 years, Eva. We are extremely proud of our father for his heroic efforts and believe that he will make a full recovery. We appreciate the many words of encouragement and concern that we’ve received and ask for your continued prayers for our father’s full recovery. We do ask for some privacy during this critical and painful time."

Pal334
12-18-2010, 09:39 AM
Thanks Justin, that makes me feel even more secure in my view

Both stories do :)

canid
12-18-2010, 09:50 AM
my point was along the lines of 'why side with opinion at all?'. when i can remember to do so i try to keep separate my opinions from my conclusions.

i feel that when you are in doubt, weigh the situation, and if it's prudent to act; then act.

without people of both mind-sets i don't suppose much would get done, or done well. i sure wouldn't mind having somebody like you or that store owner watching my back.

Rick
12-18-2010, 11:00 AM
I do agree with you, Canid that every situation has to be defined on it's own merits. The only thing that matters, I think, is what the store owner was thinking at the moment. If he believed he had no other option then his actions were appropriate I guess. I don't know what I would have done without ever having been in that situation. I only hope that if I ever do it has as good an outcome for me.

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