Fatwood opinions ?

[Robbie Roberson]

Hello, I am a fatwood nut.........anyone else like it ? Anyone else find it in the woods in old sawed stumps ?

I have many old fatwood stumps around my house and use much of it to start fires in my wood stove.

I did a search and did not see any topics on this......


Robbie Roberson. ;)

[Rick]

Robbie - Fatwood is awfully good for lighting fires no matter where you are. Unfortunately, I'm from the old school that said pines and other heavy resin woods are bad in the fireplace. I know better but still can't bring myself to burn them.

I don't use it much in the wild either because I don't have access to it. Most of the forests locally are state and federally owned and you don't often find commercially lumbered areas in them. So you have to find a tree thats down or carry it with you.

[Robbie Roberson]

Rick, I understand about the resin. I don't use much fatwood to light a fire in my wood stove.

I did a test a while back and just scraped a few slices off an old hardened dead pine stump and soaked the scrapings in water and they lit instantly with my lighter.:confused:

This is some really neat natural fire making material IMO.




Robbie Roberson.;)

[canid]

have you tried the roots or the branch knots? they realy accumulate a lot of terpines and are great. i've seen the stumps used for tar manufacture.

[spiritman]

Back up a sec, I've never heard the term fatwood. Is it just old dead pine where resin clumped or what?

[Elkchsr]

From Wikipedia


Fatwood is a fire starter that is cut from the stump of a pine tree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwood

[Robbie Roberson]

Heres what little I know about it.........and by the way, when I first found it it was like finding a gem in the woods........:D

Some pines trees that are cut or fallen over in their prime seem to continue to produce resin which will accumilate in the stump..........exactly how or why this happens I have no clue.

All I know is here in Tennessee where I live you can go into the woods and search for "Bleached grey" looking stumps and almost be certain it will be fatwood.........a quick cut on the side of the stump will reveal if it is.

If it is, it will be hard as a rock and very grey looking on the outside until you make your cut.........which is very hard to do because the wood is seemingly so preserved from the great amount of resin.........I'm guessing here.

A few slices and you will reveal the beautiful gold red like color of the resin.........one strike of a match and it will be an instant flame in your hand that will last for several minutes depending on the size of the piece of wood you lit.

Believe me, this stuff is well worth the time spent to harvest. If harvested right, you will never ever need to worry about fire starting again.

A chain saw is almost always needed to cut the stump off at ground level, then cut it up in slices to get home. A word of caution here, this stuff is hard as a rock and you can get cut in a hurry if not careful when using a knife or ax..........and easily break knife blades........they are no match for this stuff.

It's easiest to cut with a chain saw and then split with the grain using a wedge or a solid hatchet and a large hammer........safety glasses are a must while doing this.

Work it up, then store in zip locs..........save all chainsaw dust for making fires too.


Here is a link to a great example of wood color etc. (if this link is not allowed please remove)

The pics at bottom right are clickable, these are more like what I see........some parts of the stump may be rotting.

I am not familiar with the "whole tree" type fatwood, only stumps.

http://thelograck.com/fatwood.html


Robbie Roberson ;)

[Aurelius95]

I had no idea about this stuff! I went camping with my wife and her parents in the fall. Her dad had brought some wood, but had separated a few pieces from the rest. When I was making the fire one day, he laughed when he realized I had used 3 of the "separated" wood as kindling. Turns out it was fatwood and I could have used just about 1/4 of one of the pieces. Oh well. Now I know!

[NorthWindTrails]

Just my two cents, again ... if anyone is interested in getting a big supply of this fatwood and doesn't mind spending a few bucks at Walmart to test it, they have a bag full of 5 or 6 inch long by around 1/2 to 1 inch square pieces that could be shaved for stretching the supply. I appreciate the reminder, though, that this stuff is well worth looking for in the wilderness. Great post topic! NorthWind

[AdventureDoc]

Robbie--Thanks for the education! I haven't heard of this, either. You open the stump and remove the resin to coat smaller bits of wood for fire starting? Unless you are taking the whole thing, I guess! :)

Thanks!

[Blitz]

Here is some more info (links at bottom) you can also buy it here.

http://www.fatwood.com/

Not affiliated BTW.

Blitz

[Rick]

Ad - You use the wood you extract from the stump. It's resin rich so it burns easily. It isn't dripping with resin just impregnated with it.

[Robbie Roberson]

AdventureDoc, you don't actually open the stump, you cut slices of resin filled wood off the stump. Each slice you make in a resin rich stump will contain enough resin in that slice to start a fire if you have dry kindling above it of course........it's raining and snowing.....No problem, fatwood will burn like kerosene.......

Heres the deal, in a survival situation, find a stump, carefully baton or chop a few good rich slices off this stump and your ready to make a fire (if you have access to other dry wood) much faster.

I am not much good at some things in the woods but I can sure spot fatwood stumps. Take a pair of binoculars with you into the woods and it will save a lot of walking. Simply get the color grey in your mind and you will spot one shortly I'm sure.

Once you find a stump and make one slice "downward" to scrape the white outer layer off you will know instantly if you have struck gold.

The smell of fatwood is that of very strong pine resin smell. When you do get a stump, take your time and work it up slowly and you will be so proud of yourself when you get home and light a piece of this stuff and watch it burn for many minutes.......emitting a little black smoke as it burns and sizzles....the strong smell is pine resin burning. :D

Did I tell you It will even burn after being in water ? :eek:

I would love to hear if someone who did not know about this stuff report back here and let us know what you think after you harvest your first fatwood stump. On my front porch at this very moment I have a large bucket sitting full of home grown fatwood slices that I use almost daily to start a fire in my wood stove. I did not buy this.........it came from my woods !:p

One 6 inch long by one half inch wide piece will easily start a roaring fire with dry oak splits.........it will easily burn for around 5 to 8 minutes very hot.

Thanks for the links and input.

Here is another interesting link/read,

http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-kaye-tar.htm

Robbie Roberson.

[RBB]

AdventureDoc, you don't actually open the stump, you cut slices of resin filled wood off the stump. Each slice you make in a resin rich stump will contain enough resin in that slice to start a fire if you have dry kindling above it of course........it's raining and snowing.....No problem, fatwood will burn like kerosene.......

Heres the deal, in a survival situation, find a stump, carefully baton or chop a few good rich slices off this stump and your ready to make a fire (if you have access to other dry wood) much faster.

I am not much good at some things in the woods but I can sure spot fatwood stumps. Take a pair of binoculars with you into the woods and it will save a lot of walking. Simply get the color grey in your mind and you will spot one shortly I'm sure.

Once you find a stump and make one slice "downward" to scrape the white outer layer off you will know instantly if you have struck gold.

The smell of fatwood is that of very strong pine resin smell. When you do get a stump, take your time and work it up slowly and you will be so proud of yourself when you get home and light a piece of this stuff and watch it burn for many minutes.......emitting a little black smoke as it burns and sizzles....the strong smell is pine resin burning. :D

Did I tell you It will even burn after being in water ? :eek:

I would love to hear if someone who did not know about this stuff report back here and let us know what you think after you harvest your first fatwood stump. On my front porch at this very moment I have a large bucket sitting full of home grown fatwood slices that I use almost daily to start a fire in my wood stove. I did not buy this.........it came from my woods !:p

One 6 inch long by one half inch wide piece will easily start a roaring fire with dry oak splits.........it will easily burn for around 5 to 8 minutes very hot.

Thanks for the links and input.

Here is another interesting link/read,

http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-kaye-tar.htm

Robbie Roberson.

I have a friend who comes up to visit now and again. He lives in Florida, and his property borders Georgia. He is originally from wherever they wrote the Foxfire books and several of his relations are heavily featured in those books.

A real Southern Gentleman, he always brings a pile of fat wood for our fireplace. It is very welcome. We have nothing like that up here.

Kind of a humorous aside, he was always one to let you know "the south shall rise again," expounding on the lost glories of the Confederacy. As someone with ancestors who fought for the union, I had little interest in, or sympathy for, this line of reasoning.

Once when he was here, he was very depressed. Seems he'd done some research on his family tree and found that over half his Civil War ancestors had fought in the Union Army. Raised to revere the south, he was inconsolable.

[wareagle69]

i use it in my wood stove but it only takes a few small shavings to start a fire so i am not worried about it, i use a stricker to start extremeley easy to use..

[Rick]

Here to serve....;)

[wareagle69]

cheeseburger large fries and a coke no wiat pepsi

[Rick]

Cheeseburger, cheeseburge, fries, no pepsi.

http://francie.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/snl2.jpg

[bulrush]

Fatwood comes from the base of a species of pine found only in the warmer, southern climates of the US, Mexico and south of Mexico. It does not grow in Michigan here but they do sell it in the store, and it works great.

Not every pine has "fatwood" useful for starting fires. It refers to a certain species found in southern US and Mexico. Anyway, that's what my research showed. Has anyone found this in the northern states? If so, what species of pine do you think it was?

[Rick]

Not necessarily. It can also be harvested from the Longleaf Yellow Pine in Honduras and Montezuma Pine or Rough-branched Mexican pine that can be found in Mexico and Guatemala. Most of the Fatwood that is purchased today comes from one of those sources. You'll see the Montezuma Pine most commonly sold as pino de ocote.

The Long Leaf Pine that you reference is in decline and now covers less than 5% of its original acreage. Very little is harvested today.

[awfoxden]

fatwood works great! you can use it inplace of magnesium as a fire starter. just scrape with knife or strike blade until you have a good fibrouse pile and the strike your steel into the nest created. check out this site, if you are interested in the video he goes into great deal about several aspects of survival including use of fatwood and cotton ball with vasiline jelly in tinfoil (nuggets - a cheap and very packable oil lamp that will burn with a 2-4 inch flame for about an hour).

www.survivalandoutdoorsafety.com

i've use several of his techniques as well as his video with my boy scout troop and have used parts of his kit as a resource for building my own kit.

[bulrush]

Great idea Awfoxden. But I would imagine that petroleum jelly, as a hydrocarbon, would make quite a lot of soot on your cooking pans as it burns.

Anyone know for sure?

[awfoxden]

it does put off a good bit of soot. my idea behind it is similar to the wet fire nugets. you can light it pretty easily with match, lighter, magnesium and flint, or fatwood. it burns a long time, so even in a wet and somewhat windy environement you have time to get tinder burning. once burning, you can fish out the nuget and extinguish it and reuse it later if need be. i've not used it to try cooking. could be an option i quess.

i use a popcan alchohol stove with heet brand methenol gas treatment. the stove i have fits nicely in one of those small nesbit metal stoves. the metal stove acts as a pot holder and cuts down on wind as well as protects the popcan stove when not in use. you can also use the metal stove as a platform to start a small fire if needed.

the other nice thing about the fatwood is that one small little piece can be used to start many fires and can be slipped into just about any vacant space no matter how small in a survival kit just by cutting it down to size.

[awfoxden]

also the popcan stove and nesbit frame weight substantially less and take up less room than my optimus nova and doesn't sound like a jet engine when lit.

[tonester]

on a couple of post it was said that you will find fatwood in a stump if it is a washed out grey color, does it have to be that color or can you find it in any pine tree stump?

ive also heard that it depends what season the pine tree was downed in order for in to have fatwood, what season would that be?

ive recently seen a few pine tree stumps on a trail, thought i would go check them out and see if there is any fatwood.

[crashdive123]

On the stumps - as the pine dies and weathers, it turns grey in color. If you split open a piece of the wood you will find that it is only grey on the exterior due to weathering.

[cdrock00]

Ive never heard it called fatwood. We call it fat lighter here. Its great for camping fires.

[crashdive123]

Yep - fat lighter down here too. Same stuff.

[hunter63]

Also known around here as lighter pine, pine knots and also fat wood.

While hunting with my SIL in Louisiana, their deer lease in in a 450 acre pine plantation.
I think they are yellow pine, but it had already been cut down once (maybe more), and there was a good amount of dead logs as well as stumps.

I am always looking for useful stuff, so I started to kick at the dead logs, and sure enough it was mostly resin.
Seems the wood with out the resin rots away, and leaves the resin filled wood behind.
I suspect that is what happens to the stumps, it doesn't really "collect" it was there from the start, just had wood around it. Might be wrong, just an observation.

I harvested a couple of pretty good logs, the knots where the branches joined the trunk were just about all resin.

When I got home cut it up in 6" lengths, split it into popsicle stick size and have a good supply.

I use it in the wood stove in my garage/shop and at the cabin as fire starter for my wood stoves.
Not worried about build up as I only use a couple of my 6" sticks to get the kindling going.

I did save the sawdust when I chainsawed it up.
That is a featured component of my egg carton, sawdust, and wax fire starters.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8315

[Mertell]

Fatwood also grows in White Pine in Northern Wisconsin. The old stumps are now approx. 150 years old, and still strong. Pine pitch must be a heck of a preservative.

I have found it far easier to make my own, tho. I split oak kindling into small and various sizes. Dip in melted parafin wax.

Just as good as any fatwood. The real secret of this plan is the tinder that I make in the same way: Take any old cotton fabric: jeans, bedsheet, and the like. Tear into strips and dip in the melted wax.

Use the match to light the cloth, and the cloth catches the "fatwood". Instant fire.

One side note I might make about the season the trees were cut: Most of the white pine in Wisconsin would have been cut in winter. The forests where it grows tends to be wet. The frozen ground made it easier to transport. I believe the lumber camps were much less active in summer.

-Mert

[Old GI]

Also called it that. Once upon a time, in the forest known as Uwharrie (Pineland for you Army SF types), a young, not too bright, SF student discovered that a lighter knot was great for fire starting and keeping burning. It kept burning so well, that when the bad guys (82nd) attacked the camp and he stepped on it to put it out before bugging out, he had one minor oversight; he had issue rubber soled combat boots. When he finally found a place to hole up, he smelled rubber burning and subsequently felt the hot foot. Yep, the lighter stuck in his sole and kept burning. Big lesson!!! OK, OK, ........... it was me.

[crashdive123]

Also called it that. Once upon a time, in the forest known as Uwharrie (Pineland for you Army SF types), a young, not too bright, SF student discovered that a lighter knot was great for fire starting and keeping burning. It kept burning so well, that when the bad guys (82nd) attacked the camp and he stepped on it to put it out before bugging out, he had one minor oversight; he had issue rubber soled combat boots. When he finally found a place to hole up, he smelled rubber burning and subsequently felt the hot foot. Yep, the lighter stuck in his sole and kept burning. Big lesson!!! OK, OK, ........... it was me.

That right there is what Sourdough means when he says "boots in the field" experience.:lol::lol:

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Hello, I am a fatwood nut.........anyone else like it ? Anyone else find it in the woods in old sawed stumps ?

I have many old fatwood stumps around my house and use much of it to start fires in my wood stove.

I did a search and did not see any topics on this......


Robbie Roberson. ;)

pine fat is the most useful wood. insect proof,water proof,extreemly flameable,very hard,provides the sharpest of splinters, visualy beautiful. i am an advocate for the use of pine fat and pine sap. watch my video called "Discovering the power of pins sap" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxJC3xWLQKE see some additional uses that you may not have thought of......

[sh4d0wm4573ri7]

I buy fatwood from Walmart and Lowes it comes in 5lb boxes, pieces are about 8" long and 1" wide Walmarts price is around ten bucks til end of season they slash it to seven dollars or so, Lowes is around nine dollars again both places sell 5lb boxes. I have also harvested my own in the wild but find it reasonably priced and much easier to just buy. And yes the stuff is awesome for fire starting I like to grind some up and make a powder which comes in quite handy and catches a spark well.

[your_comforting_company]

I dare say that if you bought fat-lighter from a store, it probably was harvested by someone in the southeast region. Pretty much every dead pine tree i've ever walked up on in the bush is a fatlighter stump. My BIL harvests it around this time of year from his own back yard and takes it farther north to sell at some type of flea market. (I really dont like exploiting nature for profit, but oh well)
My grandmother uses it to light the fires in her fireplace, though it doesnt take much, and just to add to the campfire uses, it WILL force any kindling you put on top to dry. It burns long and hot. I usually keep a 1" x 1" x 10" piece in the floorboard of my truck during hunting season. this is enough to make a nice warm fire even if you have wet wood. I use it to light the grill because I just can't stand the taste of lighter fluid.
the sap is the same stuff that turns to "amber" after being exposed to air for a long time.
I believe it is also what was used to seal sailing vessels.
I might add that it keeps for a long time and is extremely bug resistant. We've had a stack out back of my grandma's place for at least 25 years and I still use fatlighter out of the same stack that my grandad harvested all those years ago.

[RichJ]

Just look for a downed pine tree that has rotted away. The outer wood will rot first leaving the resin rich inner wood "core" of the tree still intact. These pine cores take a long time to decompose and look like a rotten fence post on the ground. Break it up and it will burn like crazy. You don't need to look for special trees; any old pine tree works.

[glockcop]

Love it. Always have a supply on hand due to few fatwood stumps on my property. Best.

[rwc1969]

Figured i'd just add my limited knowledge to an already great thread on fatwood, pine knots and such.

This is how I find it. I find it on many red or scotch pine stumps, branches, and logs. They don't have to be burned from fire to make fatwood. Most of our pines have been attacked by bugs and that too will cause the tree to put out extra sap in defense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAvS0czvwkM

This vid shows pine knots. They can also be found on dead branches of live pine trees. You can make makeshift torches out of them and the like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpddjeQfLhM

This vid is demonstrating the fatwood/ pine knots performance in wet weather which is where it truly excels. For one it's waterproof, for two it is found in areas where other dry wood might not be found.
All the wood used to start this fire was wet, except the fatwood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOScD7GIWxU

Not to mention, it makes a great, IMO the best, natural frictionless bearing block for the firebow method of firestarting. You can see at the end of this vid the socket in the bearing block is hardly worn and it was used to start 4 or 5 different fires. I'm still using it to date and it has started over thirty fires now with only two sockets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIz07q2Ni-Q

[Rick]

Another great post, RWC. This is an area I'm pretty weak in. Your vids are really helpful.

[wareagle69]

posted yesterday in the making stuff section about fat wood to bring up this link for more research, niether I or AB have been able to find it up here, my head trapper is the one who pointed it out to me in a burned out tree. i need to research this more.
man do i need high spped internet so i can see these vids you guys are posting, frusterating.....

[rwc1969]

Well WE to sum it up the vids show me going around and kicking into stumps and fallen logs of Scotch and Red pine to get through the punky rotten wood, anything solid that's left is Fatwood. Typically all the branches are fatwood/ pine knots from the core to about 1 foot out on the branch and typically the entire core of a tree is fatwood. For instance, Say a 12 to 18" diameter tree has a central 3" core of solid fatwood running it's entire length and all the branches are pine knots. But, not every tree has it, but most do. Most of our pines have been attacked by bugs.

I was never able to find fatwood before because I never bothered to kick off the punky wood to get down to it. I just looked at pine stumps and such and said " huh, those are just rotten, no fatwood there" You have to kick them open to find it. If you stub your toe you know you're golden.

And if the fatwood is exposed it will look like grey weathered wood, but if you slice off that outer layer you'll see the fresher golden waxy fatwood underneath.

[shadowrider]

Gathering with U.S.F.S. downed wood permit in the Stanislaus National Forest,Sierra Nevadas. I found lots of pine knots all layed out in rows where the tree had rotted away with very little punk on them. I suspected they were Sugar pine. The cones of the digger pines have lots of resin also.
Great stuff.
Use too much of these and you have no creosote buildup, it'll burn out. Yikes!!!

[Brazito]

I didn't find any locally so headed over to ebay, quite a few options there for purchasing.

[roar-k]

I have fatwood in my fire kits. I always have trouble finding any to harvest so I end up having to buy it. One month I actually just need to go out and see if I can find any to harvest. I just have to make the time.

My wife is not found of the smell when it's burning though.

[Rick]

I didn't realize you could get it through the punky wood as RWC shows. I just assumed it was not available around here but now, like you Roar-K, I have to start looking for it.

WE - There's something wrong when a wilderness student wants high speed internet. I think the world just wobbled or something. (yeah, you really do need it!)

[wareagle69]

i may have been guilty of half heartedly kicking at a rooted stump and saying nope none around here, i was out in some bush fires this year and absolutley plan on heading up to where they was and seeing what i can find, but will plan on being a wee bit more observant with the other pines as well thanks rwc you da man

[hunter63]

I haven't found much here in Wisconsin, although the old cut overs at the family homestead, was supposedly mostly denuded by the lumber companies around 1900, then the land sold.

I have been spending a little time there, no luck so far.

I pick mine up in Louisiana when visiting DD and SIL, lots laying around in the deer lease/pine plantation, both stumps and dead logs w/outside rotted off.

[Runs With Beer]

I use fat wood starting my wood stove, In fact its going to be cold here in Fla. tonight. All ready got er going.

[rwc1969]

i may have been guilty of half heartedly kicking at a rooted stump and saying nope none around here, i was out in some bush fires this year and absolutley plan on heading up to where they was and seeing what i can find, but will plan on being a wee bit more observant with the other pines as well thanks rwc you da man

I can't take full credit for this observation as it was a pic-torial from another forum and a youtube vid he made that gave me the insight to be mre observant. I gave credit in the vids, but you can't see them and it probably wouldn't be appropriate to post the other forum here.??

Because I did the same thing, kick a stump and say "nope, no fatwood there", LOL! you just have to kick a little more is all.

I will take credit for the fatwood bearing block idea as that one is all my own, :)

[hunter63]

I seem to have a mindset, that leads me to keep watch for stuff, as I'm sure many of y'all do.
The fat-wood is just another example of things to look for, as lately I have been looking for the elusive fire fungus, can tell you how many tree fungus's I have collected in the last year.......so far, none can catch a spark???????

[Rick]

RWC - I suppose the first guy that kicked a log and found fatwood had probably never heard of Europeans. Not on the this piece of land anyway. Sharing is how we learn. We sort of mentor one another so where ever you learned it is fine by me.

[gryffynklm]

RCW, great videos, Thanks a lot.

[rwc1969]

You're welcome Karl.

[RichJ]

I can't believe so many people don't know about fatwood or where to find it. I thought every woodsman worth his salt could harvest a little starter pine. I always thought that was just something you learned in Boy Scouts and was fairly common knowledge. I guess not.

A pine stump is your best friend in the woods when it spitting rain and wet. Shave a little off and start kindling the rest. It burns fast so don't waste it.

[1stimestar]

I can't believe so many people don't know about fatwood or where to find it. I thought every woodsman worth his salt could harvest a little starter pine. I always thought that was just something you learned in Boy Scouts and was fairly common knowledge. I guess not.

A pine stump is your best friend in the woods when it spitting rain and wet. Shave a little off and start kindling the rest. It burns fast so don't waste it.

They wouldn't let me in boy scouts lol. I quit girl scouts when they took the boys camping and showed us how to use a dust pan. Guess I was a bit outdoorsy even back then.

[fatwoodfirestarters]

We are a major dealer in fatwood and it is one of the best starters around.

[fatwoodfirestarters]

one other thing I would add is we are in WV and the pine trees around here do not work near as well as the ones we import for commercial use. It has to do with the species you get it from we believe.

[Rick]

Welcome FWFS. Why not build a fire over at the Introduction section and tell us about yourself. Word to the wise. You can't post your company information in the body of a post but you can put it in your signature if you wish.

[fatwoodfirestarters]

I may go over when I have time and do that. I figure if anyone is interested in our fatwood they can just PM me. We do have some of the best fatwood around and the best prices.

Anyone know of some of the better kind of trees to get fatwood from in the US other than long leaf? That is great some of you have the time and know enough about it to go get your own fatwood.

[crashdive123]

I may go over when I have time and do that. I figure if anyone is interested in our fatwood they can just PM me. We do have some of the best fatwood around and the best prices.

Anyone know of some of the better kind of trees to get fatwood from in the US other than long leaf? That is great some of you have the time and know enough about it to go get your own fatwood.

Please - it may not be your intention, but your psts are starting to sound spammy. We take a dim view of that here.

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

OK A couple of things.... The Longleaf pine found in the Southeast is also sometimes protected by law. You see the Red Cockaded Woodpecker is a threatened/endangered species and they will only make their homes in Longleaf pines of a certain size. Also these nesting sites have a ring of trees that are also protected.... sorry I don't recall the exact site size.

Another use for Lighter knots, is the use in a "War Club". In the area I grew up in, there was a Pioneer that was reported to have killed a Black Bear with a "Lightered knot" (Local slang for fatwood) Obediah Barber was nicknamed "King of the Okefenok" (Okefenokee Swamp). As bear have REALLY Dense bone, oak or hickory would have not worked in this respect. They would have most likely broken. Anyone that has ever busted Lighter wood will tell you just how tough it is. I've broken axe handles trying to get the axe out of fat lighter. It took a while to get the axe head out of the stump, with a hammer.
http://www.okefenokeeswamp.com/history.htm
http://ourgeorgiahistory.com/places/okefenokee.html
http://ourgeorgiahistory.com/ogh/Henry_Obediah_Barber
http://www.okefenokeeswamp.com/

In the last site I posted you can see pictures of his cabin. According to the legend, Obediah was going out to feed his hogs one day about dark. He heard a commotion coming from the hog pen and seeing a bear in the pen, grabbed a piece of lightered knot and went hand to hand with the bear, eventually killing the bear with nothing more than the piece of Fat lighter he had picked up. True or not? I don't know. But it is some of the toughest wood you can put in your hands. I can tell you this if I had to choose something to make a war club from that would be my first choice, if it was available. The toughness of it, and weight/ solidity is almost impossible to beat using natural materials alone. Even rock would shatter under the kind of force a lighter knot will take.

[fatwoodfirestarters]

LOL I have not even said our name,posted our site or even made a sig. with our stuff all over it I think you should calm down get a grip. If I wanted to advertise here I would have all ready made that sig. with our information and web page links to our on line store.

[hunter63]

Fat-wood is a component to ease the starting of a fire.
I don't know if it could be considered "The good S*** man, it's like long leaf, Man....."
Sorry:
It's not really magic, and not something I would PAY for, rolled up newspaper dipped in wax work just as well, as do the egg cartons filled with sawdust and dippind in wax.

Heading south in a week or so maybe bring a trailer load home........

[crashdive123]

We are a major dealer in fatwood and it is one of the best starters around.

Your first post told us you are selling.


I may go over when I have time and do that. I figure if anyone is interested in our fatwood they can just PM me. We do have some of the best fatwood around and the best prices.

Anyone know of some of the better kind of trees to get fatwood from in the US other than long leaf? That is great some of you have the time and know enough about it to go get your own fatwood.

This post told us we can pm you to buy.


LOL I have not even said our name,posted our site or even made a sig. with our stuff all over it I think you should calm down get a grip. If I wanted to advertise here I would have all ready made that sig. with our information and web page links to our on line store.

This post got you banned. How's that for calm?

[Rick]

It's not nice to fool with Mods. In hind site, the PM me statement should have drawn a warning for solicitation. Guess I'm getting old. Sharpened up the old ban button tonight, eh?

[klkak]

Out Crash, Out!

Come!

Settle!

Good boy!

Here's a Crashbiscuit. Now go lay down the forum is safe.

[kyratshooter]

Way to go Crash!

They should make a movie, "Gone in Five Posts"! :spam: :smash:

People are so used to telling folks to "calm down, get a grip, I'll do exactly what I want to do!" I'll bet their head spins when they get banned that fast!

[rwc1969]

That's an intersting story poco, something I had not considered. Thinking back, the wood is very heavy and dense compared to even oak, hickory or ash. You could really clock someone or something upside the head with it if need be and those pine knots are already pre-shaped for the job, kinda like a shilalee, shylayle, ah, the thing the leprauchan carries. LOL!

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

That's an intersting story poco, something I had not considered. Thinking back, the wood is very heavy and dense compared to even oak, hickory or ash. You could really clock someone or something upside the head with it if need be and those pine knots are already pre-shaped for the job, kinda like a shilalee, shylayle, ah, the thing the leprauchan carries. LOL!

Shillelagh?? I Love spell check... I was close but not enough L's LOL. Yes it is a super tough wood for that use. In the last link I provided if you click on history button, it shows a pic of a man holding a "Club" and a stuffed bear as part of their exhibits....funny thing is, is that the "Club" is a cypress knee...

In the Southeastern US, (Most notably S.Ga) there used to be the "Naval Industry"(Nothing to do with ships or boats). People used to intentionally scar pines to collect the sap. This sap was then processed to make Turpentine, rosin and such as this. The scars were called "Cat faces" and at the bottom of the Cat face they would nail a collection cup. IF you can find one of these stumps still standing it is some of the best fat lighter you can find. Even better than naturally occurring fatwood as the sap is even more concentrated on these than normal.
The reason I know about it is that my Mother (Yes mother) used to work "Dipping Turpentine" during the Depression era(as a teenager), and again during WWII(While her first husband was off to war). And yes, Longleaf pines were the "Preferred trees" for this industry. Probably why so much fatwood is attributed to this tree. That and the woodpecker I mentioned earlier. Their nests are made in Live Longleaf pines. They like the sap oozing down as it helps keep predators like snakes away. This industry was scattered throughout the southeastern states. Just speculation on my part, but this may be another reason that Fatwood is so strongly associated with this region. Nowadays they use other methods to make turpentine, rosin, etc.

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-3549

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70B12FF3B5D15738DDDA00894DD405B 8585F0D3

http://www.cardcow.com/258213/scraping-dipping-turpentine-rosin-gum-georgia/
In this last link you can see what a "Cat face" actually is. Although it is an ad for a Collectible post card it has a very good picture of men collecting or "Dipping" the sap. You may also Note the Mule, wagon and the barrel in the wagon. The Barrels I have seen that were used in this industry were almost always of that particular shape and were of metal. (Presumably to melt the last bit of sap out of the barrels)

EDIT: Something that occurred to me is that sometimes as you are walking in pine woods you will come across these stumps where they have logged out an area. I am assuming that they cut above the "Cat faces" due to the sap gumming up the Chainsaw blades and the dulling effect they would have on those chainsaws. These stumps are one of the best sources for fat lighter you can find, as almost the entire stump is fat lighter.

[JPGreco]

This stuff sounds like fun. Are you guys sure that pretty much any pine will make some sort of flammable fatwood? I imagine if this is the case, its a matter of just how flammable the sap is in each species of pine. I'm gonna have to start kicking downed pines.

Also, I guess this thread answered the self defense in the woods question. Fatwood club > bears

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

This stuff sounds like fun. Are you guys sure that pretty much any pine will make some sort of flammable fatwood? I imagine if this is the case, its a matter of just how flammable the sap is in each species of pine. I'm gonna have to start kicking downed pines.

Also, I guess this thread answered the self defense in the woods question. Fatwood club > bears

I know that with all pines I have encountered the pitch is flammable. But I have not seen every type there is....

OK before people go off thinking they can take on a bear With a lighter knot. Obediah Barber also had another nickname "Paul Bunyan of the Southeast" He stood 6' 6" in a time when the average height was only about 5'4" - 5' 6". Due to the rigorous hard work of the time period he lived in (1825-1909), I would think he would be in MUCH better shape than most of us. This alone (killing the bear) made him a regional legend. Even then, MOST people couldn't have done that. He was known as the "King of the Okefenok" (Local pronunciation of Okeefenokee) Not many local people could outdo old Obediah either. Another story (unknown if true or not) had him beating a professional Boxer from NYC. It was said that he liked to fight and no one ever beat him. He outlived 2 of his 3 wives too. At 73 he married a 26 year old, Who ended up leaving him 3-4 years after he had a stroke. Anyways he was an exceptional character.

[RCKCRWLER]

Woohoo! I love fatwood. I never knew about it until this thread. My neighbor gave me a box and I was all about buying some more. Well last weekend I was chopping some wood and to my surprise I split a piece of pine and....WOW! That's fatwood! :clap: Anyways I was like a fat kid in a candy store. Here are some pix just because...66256622662466236621

[Aurelius95]

Woohoo! I love fatwood. I never knew about it until this thread. My neighbor gave me a box and I was all about buying some more. Well last weekend I was chopping some wood and to my surprise I split a piece of pine and....WOW! That's fatwood! :clap: Anyways I was like a fat kid in a candy store. Here are some pix just because...66256622662466236621


Very cool. My address is 155 Forest Drive, oh wait, nevermind!

[Highhawk1948]

Here in Florida we call it by several names, "fat light'r" , "light'r" among the most common. It is all over the pines woods down here and we take a sharp hatchet and slice small 1/2"-1" by 6" - 10" piece. Don't use it in my fire place but do use it when having outside fires. Also take a small supply when we go to the woods for an extended trip. Working in the woods we will find it and ask the landowner if we can take pieces or the whole log. We always share if he needs some. on some State lands we can pick up downed logs. We will take a chain saw and cut it into 10" lenths,or just load it up in big pieces and shave it up at a later date. Just take a match or lighter and you can use it to start your fire. It burns very hot and will catch fairly large logs on fire. We always keep a bunch of it on our wood piles. Great stuff. I have seen it for sale by L.L.Bean. Pretty expensive. Some will sell it down here at flea markets in small bundles for 5 - 10 dollars.

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