snow wagon

[rebel]

After Ricks thread on snow sleds, http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13921 , I thought it was a good idea worth checking into.

I went to the outdoor store and priced the sleds and runners. I was in sticker shock. $50 for the runners! I figured it would cost over a hundred with the sled and taxes.

I had this Agra-Fab tub left over from a garden cart that I was going to use to make another cart. However, I already have one cart and I don't need two. So, I have a donor sled. The great part is that it is just as thick and made of the same poly as the sleds at the outdoor store.

I know this sled is big for cross country skiing. The dimensions are something like 30 x 45 inches. I think it'll be O.K. for snow shoeing.

For the runners, I stopped at the good-will store and picked up a pair of down hill skis for $5. They're made of kevlar and made in the USA. We'll see how they hold up.

I cut the skis to length and bolted the skis to the tub with carriage bolts and counter sunk the bolts on the bottom. Then I filled the holes from the counter sink with JB weld.

I still need to attach a rope. I was thinking about zip tying the rope up under and around the lip. Any suggestions?

We got another 4-5 inches of snow last night on top of the 6 inches from a couple of days ago so, as soon as the JB weld dries and I have a rope attached I'm ready to try it out!

[Rick]

That's basically the same thing I'm going to go with.

http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=430513&pdesc=Viking_Sport_Sled&str=viking&merchID=4005

Do you think it will pull better with skis than with just the ribbed bottom? I have no experience with snowshoes or skis so this is a new area for me. I was just going to go with the plain bottom.

Here's a .pdf that SJJ steered me onto. It has several different methods of pull set up. Some not so complicated some very complicated.

http://www.skipulk.com/images/pulkbook.pdf

Here's a pretty cheap sled harness, too.

http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/product/sled-harness-3124.cfm

[rebel]

I think the plain bottom will do fine.

I have heard of holes developing in the sled but, that was being pulled with atv's and snowmobiles.

I'll probably pull mine with an atv for ice fishing. If so, I'll need to make a hitch.

[rebel]

I took it out to a hard packed snowmobile trail and gave it a push with my foot. I was surprised that it glided effortlessly about 25 feet. It'd make a heck of a down hill sled! It should do fine dragging my stuff on ice.

[hunter63]

I lking the idea of searching Good will for materials....lots of good stuff there.

I'm thinking that just plain bottom would work just fine, but the ski's would make it more ridge, and have a wear bar, so to speak.
BIL/FIL have used this type of rig for like, ever, for ice fishing, and is big enough to float in nessessary.

[1stimestar]

How about just drilling a hole in each forward corner and making a small rope harness, instead of running the rope all the way around to save on a bit of weight.

[rebel]

How about just drilling a hole in each forward corner and making a small rope harness, instead of running the rope all the way around to save on a bit of weight.

I had thought about doing that.

I also thought, I could use my 50 foot of rope tied off in the back and thrown into the sled. Just in case I needed some longer rope. Sort of dual purpose.

[crashdive123]

Rebel - not sure how the material would hold up if there is stress on two points. How about two holes in the front with a rope or cable that attaches to a bar that spans the two holes on the front of the sled. This way, the stress is distributed along the width of the sled and not at two attachment points.

[randyt]

that's awesome, I need to build me one of those.

[1stimestar]

Here's a picture of our bigger sled. Maybe it will give you some ideas. Though i think yours is a good idea lol.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/1stimestar/IMG_0396.jpg

[pete lynch]

I was wondering how well it will steer with fixed ski/runners; won't it tend to keep going straight?
Just a thought.

[rebel]

Here's a picture of our bigger sled. Maybe it will give you some ideas. Though i think yours is a good idea lol.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/1stimestar/IMG_0396.jpg

Now that's a sled!

[rebel]

I was wondering how well it will steer with fixed ski/runners; won't it tend to keep going straight?
Just a thought.

It did go straight when I gave it a shove. I'll have to get back to you on that.

[rebel]

Rebel - not sure how the material would hold up if there is stress on two points. How about two holes in the front with a rope or cable that attaches to a bar that spans the two holes on the front of the sled. This way, the stress is distributed along the width of the sled and not at two attachment points.

Yep. It would need some backing. Another reason for having the rope go around the back.

[rebel]

I found a light weight tow strap and attached it today. It worked great. It was long enough to go around the sled and allow me to wear it across one shoulder and across my chest for pulling. This allowed my hands to be free to carry a long gun if I needed. The strap is about 2.5 inches wide and did not cut-in as I think a rope would when pulling a load. I had about 70 pounds in the sled and it pulled easily. I went around several trees to check the tracking and it worked fine to me. It saved me from making several trips to the wood pile.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Maybe use 4 through holes near the top. 2 in front 2 in the back. Place the loose ends of the rope through from the back end of the sled and then through the fron 2 holes. As the sled was pulled the load would be held in place by the ropes as well. Possibly also use a psmall length of sced. 40 pvc pipe with the rope threaded through it and the back two hole to distribute the load on the back wall...just ideas?

[rebel]

I've been thinking of the different uses a sled like this would perform in a survival setting and it wouldn't hurt to have it around. It's low tech and fool proof. Just to name a few, besides carrying the load, it could make a wind break, shelter, water collection, table, boat, bench seat and a signaling device if you burned it.

[crashdive123]

Well done Rebel. What's all that white stuff?

[rebel]

What's all that white stuff?

It's called fun when you have the day off. PITA when you have to go some where.

We're getting 12-15 inches of it today and I have the day off. I picked up a couple bags of wings yesterday just in case this turns into a neighborhood snow party.

[rebel]

The other day I took it out for a spin in the new snow. Well, after loading it down it sank about six inches and the combination of snowshoes and pulling that thing made it a real chore. Over hard pack or ice it's a piece of cake. I'm thinking that I should have left the skis longer. Maybe, that would have distributed the load and made pulling it easier.

[crashdive123]

Have you waxed the skis or the bottom?

[rebel]

Have you waxed the skis or the bottom?

Sorry Crash but, wax ain't gonna fix the sinking. Well, if you're going mach .7 it will.

[wildWoman]

The other day I took it out for a spin in the new snow. Well, after loading it down it sank about six inches and the combination of snowshoes and pulling that thing made it a real chore. Over hard pack or ice it's a piece of cake. I'm thinking that I should have left the skis longer. Maybe, that would have distributed the load and made pulling it easier.

It's just too heavy and short, I'd say. Fork out $15.- for a kids' plastic tobaggan about 5'10" or longer and use that for hauling things on foot. It's so narrow that it'll stay in your tracks, so lightweight it won't cause extra strain, and long enough to distribute the weight over a larger area of snow, causing it to sink in less.

[Rick]

Woohoo! Mine just arrived. Now all I need is snow.

[crashdive123]

You could always mount roller skates on the bottom.:innocent:

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